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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 30 Oct 1985

Vol. 109 No. 8

Adjournment Matter. - Meath Post-Primary School Extension.

First of all, I want to thank you for allowing me to raise this most important issue on the Adjournment. I also wish to thank the Minister for his presence here again tonight. As the Minister is probably aware, the history of education in Oldcastle is perhaps unique in Ireland. The Gilson School, Oldcastle, was established in the year 1829. It was founded by Laurence Gilson and was an endowed school. Laurence Gilson was a native of Oldcastle. He was a ne'er-do-well and emigrated. Some years later he returned dressed as a tramp. The Gilson family would not admit him to their home. He returned in a coach of four, wearing a bowler hat, and he was welcomed by everybody. When he died he left his money for educational purposes to the people of Oldcastle.

This particular school was a primary school and a secondary school. As well as the usual educational facilities it provides horticulture, woodwork and cookery. In fact the founder of the school at that time had the full concept of vocational education in mind. When the need to provide a new post-primary school in Oldcastle arose numerous meetings were held between the members of the Meath Vocational Committee and the school management board. The school management board in Oldcastle was established at the foundation of this school. It had an equal representation of both the Catholic and Protestant community. Back in 1829 we had a school in Oldcastle which provided the primary education curriculum plus woodwork, horticulture and cookery. Subsequent to the meetings between the Meath Vocational Education Committee and the Gilson board an amalgamation took place in 1969. A special board was then set up comprising of members of the Gilson endowed school and the Meath Vocational Education Committee. At that time an undertaking was given that facilities equal to those in comprehensive school would be provided.

At that time all comprehensive schools had a full size gymnasium and canteen. An extension was provided between 1970 and 1972 to provide general classrooms and prefabs for a number of years. The Meath Vocational Education Committee and the Department of Education decided to carry out the building programme to the school in three phases. Phase 3 was the proposed gymnasium, which is the matter for discussion tonight, which has not yet commenced. Agreement was reached with officials of the Department to draw up plans for the gymnasium in 1973. The plans were shelved by the Coalition Government in 1974. A further survey was carried out to assess accommodation requirements in 1980. Approval for the extension to cater for 450 pupils was given on the 21 May 1980. Plans were prepared by the architects and approved. More detailed plans were prepared which were not approved because the Department statistician, Mr. Paul Doyle, detected a drop in school enrolment at that time. He awaited the statistics from the primary schools in the catchment area. After a 15 months lapse these statistics seemed to show that the attendance at the school would settle at approximately 375 pupils. In 1983 approval was granted to draw up plans and include a PE facility. These plans are still progressing at a very slow pace. The last set of drawings were submitted to the Department in May 1984 and approved in April 1985. The next set of drawings is now almost completed by the architect.

As a matter of interest, the enrolments in St. Oliver's Post-Primary School, Oldcastle, are as follows: 1980-81, 404 pupils; 1981-82, 442 pupils; 1982-83, 444 pupils; 1983-84, 459 pupils; 1984-85, 452 pupils. The enrolment for this year is 440 pupils. It is my understanding that when the special board was set up it was to be autonomous. I was a member of Meath Vocational Education Committee and a member of the board from 1974 to 1979 and from my experience it is completely restricted in its operation in so far as it has to seek approval from both Meath VEC and the Department of Education for sanction of any decisions taken. I understand that the school management board wrote to the Minister, Deputy Hussey, last April requesting a change in the composition of the board. To date no satisfactory reply has been given with regard to that request.

The original meeting held in 1969 between Meath VEC and the governors of the Gilson School was chaired by Mr. Seán Ó Mathúna of the Department of Education and a definite undertaking was given to provide facilities equal to those in comprehensive schools. My main bone of contention is that both the Department and the various Ministers for Education, of all Governments, have reneged on that commitment. I call on the Minister to honour the commitment given and expedite the plans for the completion of the extension to St. Oliver's Post-Primary School as guaranteed at the initial amalgamation meeting. Both myself and my family got our education at that school as did almost every family in that catchment. We have a fine school in Oldcastle with a very proud record but the facilities we had expected from the beginning have not been provided. The old board amalgamated with the VEC and at the time that was a major breakthrough in the education system.

We have many problems all over the country trying to establish community and other new schools. In some towns in the country, there are schools run by the Christian Brothers, vocational schools, convent schools, and yet in other towns there is not a decent school. I am thinking particularly of Kells or Ceanannus Mór. We were hopeful we would get a new school with the amalgamation of all three bodies there but there has been a lot of hassle. If you want a perfect answer go back through the books and see what happened in Oldcastle. We are very proud of our school there except that we have not got the facilities that were guaranteed at that time. I appeal to the Minister to look at this matter and provide that extra facility.

May I apologise to the Seanad for the delay in coming here. There was a breakdown in communications somewhere because I was informed by my office that I should be here at 8.30 p.m.

The commitment to which the Senator refers is presumably an understanding by the school authorities at the time of the amalgamation of Gilson school, Oldcastle, with County Meath Vocational Education Committee, that the school would be provided with full facilities on a par with comprehensive schools being provided at the time and that these would include a physical education hall in due course.

It was the intention of the Department at the time that a physical education hall should be provided by the earliest possible date. However, as a result of the huge increase in demands for additional classroom accommodation in the seventies to cater for increased enrolments it was found necessary to suspend the Department's programme for the provision of physical education facilities for the time and subsequently to limit the number of projects for such facilities which could proceed to tender each year.

The position in regard to St. Oliver's at the moment is that a major extension to the school is being planned. The project is at present at an advanced stage of architectural planning and when completed the school will have all the facilities being provided for the school of its size, that is, contrary to the numbers given, 375 pupils. The new accommodation being provided comprises two general classrooms, one mechanical drawing room, one language room, a guidance office, a remedial group room, toilets, cloakrooms and social area. In addition to this the extension will include a physical education hall together with changing rooms, showers, cloakrooms, toilets and so on. Planning of the project is at present at stage 4, that is the working drawings. These were submitted to the Department earlier this month and are being examined by the Department's technical advisers. Senator Lynch mentioned that the architect was dealing with them. We are at the fourth stage in the Department and are examining those at present. In this connection, there are approximately 200 projects at various stages of planning.

Accordingly, while every effort is made in my Department to process the various stages of planning as quickly as possible, there is some delay in each project. It is hoped that this examination will be completed shortly and the Department will then be in touch with the County Meath VEC regarding progress to the remaining stages to be completed, preparation of bills of quantities and tender documents.

The working drawings are completed by the architects. We are examining them in the Department to see that they are in accordance with the rules and regulations laid down. Once they are completed and once we have found that they are satisfactory, then we get to the bill of quantities. Once the bill of quantities is prepared and submitted and found in order the county VEC are advised to proceed to tender stage. When preparation of these documents has been completed by the vocational educational committee's consultants they will be forwarded to the Department for examination. On completion of this examination the question of allowing the project to proceed to tender will arise.

It will be appreciated that in considering this question the availability of capital and the Department's other commitments and priorities will have to be taken into account. In the circumstances I cannot say whether it will be possible to let it go to tender at that stage. The Deputy can be assured, however, that I am at all times looking at this project very sympathetically because we are aware of the problem there. We are aware that there is an urgent need for this new school. I sincerely hope that there will not be any delay in sending this to tender. Once it has gone to tender then it is a matter for the builders and the county VEC.

I understand that the school has made representations that the physical education hall be provided in advance of the proposed extension and that it has been explained to them that the hall has been planned as part of the extension and that if it were taken out now and planned as a separate building it would mean doing away with all the works and plans to date which would involve considerable payments to the design team for work done already. In my experience any alteration of the plans at this stage would do nothing but delay the completion of the school. If you call for a change of plan it has to go back to the drawing board. I would advise everyone concerned, while giving an undertaking that there will not be any undue delay, that any change at this stage would result in serious delays in finalising this application. I assure the Senator that at no stage during the planning of this project has there been any avoidable delay on the Department's part. As far as the Department are concerned the remaining stages will be expedited as far as possible.

The Seanad adjourned at 8.20 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 31 October 1985.

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