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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 31 May 1990

Vol. 125 No. 5

Adjournment Matter. - BSE Disease.

At the outset I should like to thank you, a Leas-Chathaoirligh, and the Cathaoirleach, for giving me the opportunity to speak on this very important topic this afternoon. Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy, BSE or, in common jargon, mad cow disease, is a new phenomenon. The first case of it was seen in Britain in 1985 and the first was confirmed in Britain in November 1986, less than four years ago. The total number of cases in Britain in the first year was 42. At this stage there have been approximately 14,000 cases of mad cow disease, or BSE, in Britain. At present the incidence of the disorder in Britain is about 300 to 400 new cases per week. By any standards those are alarming statistics. In the United Kingdom there has been at least one case of the disorder in 69 per cent of the herds in England, in 81 per cent of cattle herds in Wales and in 88 per cent of cattle herds in Scotland. Those figures indicate that loose terms one could say that the disorder is widespread in Britain. The figure for Scotland is alarming.

In our own country, so far as I am aware, 19 cases have been reported to date. Those cases have been spread across a very wide area even if they have been somewhat disproportionately located in Ulster. There have been seven cases in Munster and three cases in Leinster. In other words, more than half the total cases have been recorded in the southern half of the country. The remaining nine cases have been in Ulster, in Donegal and Monaghan mainly. The scientific reality about this disease is that as of now there is great ignorance of it. It is a new disorder, was first confirmed in cattle in 1986. As far as one can judge from the scientific literature it appears to spread from the use of ruminant offals containing a scrapie type agent which, in reality, appears to be an infected protein called a prion which does not even contain DNA. That gives an idea of how small this agent is. Scrapie has been around for many years. It is a well known disorder of sheep and yet the question has to be asked and answered, as to why this disorder spread to cattle? So far as I can see, there is no definitive answer to that. What we are having is considered speculation on the part of scientists.

Of course, the disorder can be spread to a number of other species. It has been found in a cat in what one might call conventional surroundings. It has been shown in laboratories that if one appropriately administers the serum to animals such as mice, one can infect them with it. That has been done to other animals, too.

Scrapie has been known to exist in mink for quite a long period. At this stage there is a great deal of ignorance as to the incubation period of this disorder. It cannot be established at this stage with any certainty whether the disease is transmittable vertically or horizontally. In other words, whether it will spread across animals or whether it will be passed down through the generations. There is no certainty on that issue either.

I read in The Irish Times of Tuesday that it is going to take a further two years before it will be known whether the measures to curb BSE will work. The reality then is that we are dealing with a disease the full dimensions of which we do not, at this stage, understand. The evidence, to the extent that I can understand it, indicates that it is unlikely, that it is remote; that it is very unlikely that this disorder will jump the species to humans but it is also true that there is no certainty that this disease will not jump to humans.

Scientists say there is no evidence that it will jump to humans but the reality is that while there is no evidence, there is also no certain proof that this cannot happen. So far as I can see that has not been made clear to the public. Indeed, the Southwood Report states that the chances of this disease spreading to humans are remote. If it was certain that it could not, I imagine that the Southwood report would say that. Accordingly, we cannot exclude the possibility that this disease can spread to humans. I cannot reconcile that with statements such as "Irish beef is perfectly safe." If it is perfectly safe, it would imply that it was established beyond any doubt whatsoever that the disease could not jump the species gap. I want to emphasise again that the chances of it jumping from species to humans is very remote. However, it is less than frank to go so far as to say it is perfectly safe, as the Minister for Agriculture and Food is quoted as saying. Commissioner MacSharry is somewhat less dogmatic. He says that, as far as he is concerned, beef is safe, as distinct from making an absolute definite statement of its safety. Therefore, we are either sitting on a time bomb or this is another harmless food scare. At this stage, it seems very likely that it is just another food scare but we cannot exclude the possibility that it might have very far-reaching effects.

For that reason, it is imperative that the Department of Agriculture and Food lay down careful contingency plans to cope with all possibilities. In other words, all possibilities should be considered and, as far as it is reasonable to do so, plans should be made to cater for all possible outcomes as we work our way towards the business of collecting more evidence.

In relation to the collection of more evidence, I have to say, with considerable regret, that our investment in this type of research has been very small. It is also a historical fact and regrettable that investment in agricultural veterinary research has been slashed over the past few years, with the ripping asunder of the research unit of ACOT and, to add insult to injury, the appalling statements which were made by the chairman of ACOT in one of his outbursts.

In relation to smuggling, I read in the Irish Independent of 18 May 1990 in a quote from the Minister for Agriculture and Food, Deputy O'Kennedy, that no smuggling across the Border was taking place. That referred to a statement he made two days previous to that. In that same newspaper, earlier in the article, it states that 200 smuggled cattle from the North had been seized by custom officials in recent months. How does one reconcile those two statements? This brings me back to my concern in this matter and that is that we are not being frank with the public. How can anybody say there is no smuggling taking place that there is no problem in regard to smuggling when the truth is that smugglers work behind closed doors? Smugglers do not make announcements that they are about to do a spot of smuggling, nor are they forthcoming about having done a spot of smuggling.

I find it hard to reconcile those statements with the fundamental realities and with the assertions of perfect safety, something which approximates to perfect security on the Border, with statements such as, "No smuggling is taking place of cattle across the Border into the Republic." It does not add up and it bothers me that we are not being frank with the public.

Will the Minister say what happened to the 19 confirmed cases and did any of the meat from those animals enter the food chain? In other words will the Minister give us a categoric assurance that no meat from those 19 confirmed cases entered the human food chain? I do not wish to increase public fears but I want to emphasise that there is a small degree of uncertainity. It is offensive to the public and it treats them with less respect than they deserve to make absolute statements in this regard. Nothing is absolute about this at this stage and that is the fundamental reality we must face up to.

Finally, our failure to brand our meat over the years means that we cannot exploit the opportunities that exist for us in Britain and European markets. I will conclude by making a special appeal in relation to this disease. Ultimately, the first signs will have to be seen by herd-owners and by the owners of pets. As I understand the disorder, its initial signs relate to relatively minor neurological changes, after this organism has been incubating for a prolonged period of time. If the public and farmers in particular, are aware of those minor neurological changes, it would greatly facilitate them in seeking veterinary attention at the earliest opportunity. That is very important if we are to limit any possible spread of the disorder.

First, I want to thank the Minister for giving me two minutes of his time to speak on this important issue. I am appalled at the way the issue of BSE has been hyped up by certain parties in the United Kingdom and the communications media. I accept that this is a serious animal health problem in the United Kingdom where over 13,000 cases have been confirmed in more than 7,000 herds. The majority of farms, 63 per cent in fact, have had but a single case. It is an animal health problem and the United Kingdom have taken the necessary action to eradicate the problem by banning the feeding of meat and bonemeal, which they have concluded caused the disease in cattle. As this ban was brought into force in July 1988 and as the average age for clinical signs of the disease to appear is four to five years, it is expected that the incidence in the United Kingdom should show a significant decline by about 1993. Thereafter the decline should continue until the disease disappears.

It is a serious animal health problem, but what appals me is the attempt to create a serious human health issue out of it. Let us get the facts straight. Scrapie has been identified in sheep for 250 years and yet no evidence has emerged that humans who eat mutton or lamb are at risk. Why then should the equivalent disease in cattle render meat suspect? For no reason, other than certain academics in the United Kingdom say that the remote possibility that it is infective cannot be ruled out. Nothing can be given a 100 per cent guarantee on this earth. I cannot guarantee the arrival of tomorrow but at this stage of the evening the possibility of its non-arrival is remote. That is the kind of impossible assurances that those people are talking about.

I am confident that with the massive amount of research being conducted into this disease by the United Kingdom we can rest assured that what has to be done is being done. I understand that up to date the United Kingdom has spent up to £2 million on research to study various aspects of the disease, including epidemiology, pathology and possible transmissibility. A consultative committee was also established under a Dr. Tyrrell of the United Kingdom Medical Research Council to advise on research priorities and a sum in excess of £12 million has been committed to further research over the next three years.

I must also put on record that we do not have a native source of BSE and that we are merely dealing with a minor imported problem. I note also that the entire province of Connacht has no case, even though the west has proportionately the highest number of sheep in the country. If we had a native source of the disease it would surely manifest itself in the west of Ireland where sheep numbers are highest. That it has not done so, to my mind proves that we are dealing with an imported problem. As cattle exports from the United Kingdom have been banned and we are not importing any meat and bonemeal from there, the risk of developing more cases must in time disappear. It remains to me only to express the wish that people will examine the facts and not be misled by those who, for whatever reason, grab the limelight and raise totally unnecessarily doubts in the public mind.

First, let me express my appreciation to Senator Upton for facilitating me a few days ago when I had difficulty in being here in the Seanad to take this debate. I appreciate that very much indeed.

In my reply on this matter I will be replying on the basis of the best available advice to me. It is not my own personal comments about this matter, but the advice from the research people at Abbotstown, the veterinary inspectorate in the Department of Agriculture and the health inspectorate people in the Department of Health, along with a number of studies that have been carried out in the UK.

I want to clarify, as far as I possibly can, the present situation. As has been said by Senator Upton, this disease goes back in the UK to April 1985. It is a complex disease and quite a lot has still to be established regarding it, because there is no test for the presence of the disease in live animals. Infected animals can only be identified by clinical symptons, that is, typically nervous and uncordinated behaviour. The presence of the disease is confirmed by examination of brain tissue, and spot mortem studies carried out by the UK led to the conclusion that BSE was most probably caused by feeding cattle with compound rations which contained protein material derived from sheep which were infected with scrapie. I want to say again that in Ireland we have not got a scrapie problem. I think something like five animals were detected with this particular disease as against as high a percentage as 25 per cent in the UK. So they have a really serious endemic scrapie problem in the UK. We do not have a similar problem in Ireland.

A number of factors were identified in the UK which, in combination, precipitated the emergence of the disease in 1986 following an increase in the exposure of animals to the casual agent in 1981 and 1982. The most significant was an increasing sheep population — they have 46 million sheep in the UK as against about eight million here in Ireland. As I said, with a 25 per cent incidence in 46 million sheep, you can have some idea of the high prevalence of this particular scrapie disease in the UK.

Scrapie has been in the sheep flock for over 250 years without any indication that the disease has, or even can, pass to humans. Indeed, worldwide research has found no corrolation between the incidence of scrapie in sheep and CJD, which is a similar type of disease, in humans. Independent expert advice from the UK working party, chaired by Professor Sir Richard Southwood of Oxford University, concluded that BSE is most unlikely to have any implications for human health. This was later confirmed by the scientific veterinary committee of the European Community, which concluded that meat derived from bovine animals in countries in which BSE occurs is not considered to be a danger to public health. Furthermore, the international body dealing with animal disease, the OIE in Paris, concluded that there is no evidence to suggest that BSE or scrapie is transmissible to humans and that scientific studies in naturally occurring scrapie of sheep indicated that there was no detectable inpectivity in muscle, udder, colostrum or milk in either pre-clinical or even clinically affected animals. OIE added that by extrapolation they had to conclude that milk and meat derived from cattle in countries in which BSE is present are not a danger to public health.

Indeed, one of the first tasks entrusted to the Food Safety Advisory Committee — an independent body here, made up of eminent people from the universities and public authorities and established by the Ministers for Agriculture, Food and Health — was to examine the BSE issue and furnish advice to both Ministers and Departments. The committee presented its report in January of this year and accepted fully the conclusions already mentioned. The committee will be keeping abreast of all developments in the matter and will advise both Ministers as appropriate. I know that at their regular meetings this matter of BSE is one of the items on the agenda.

From the scientific evidence available both here and internationally the conclusion of all those bodies and experts is that there is no evidence whatsoever that there is any danger to public health. Nevertheless, a number of precautionary measures were taken. When the disease became known in the UK we took immediate precautions by banning the import of meat and bonemeal from July 1988. Such imports would, at any rate, have been very small. We immediately alerted veterinary practitioners as to the situation and videotape material obtained from the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food in London was shown to group meeting of the profession. We also commenced a survey, which is continuing, at meat plants of the casual slaughter of bovine animals in the age range of two to eight years. This did not reveal any evidence of the disease.

Due to the vigilance of veterinary practitioners in the field our first case was diagnosed on 25 January 1989 and since then a total of 19 cases have occurred in the State. The last case was diagnosed on 26 March last, over two months ago. I want to state categorically — in response to Senator Upton's direct question about what became of those 19 animals — that those 19 animals were destroyed by burning and burial. The heads in each case were forwarded to the Abbotstown Laboratory with diagnosis and testing as a follow-up routine. There was no question whatsoever of any infected animals, and in particular any of those 19 animals, getting into either the human or animals food chain. Five of those 19 infected animals were the subject of follow-up reports. They had been sourced or imported from the UK and there was evidence to indicate that the majority of the others had been fed imported meat and bonemeal. We have good reason to conclude, therefore, that we do not have an indigenous source of BSE in the State but are dealing with a spillover from the UK.

Again, another step immediately taken when the problem occurred was that we made the disease notifiable with effect from 1 April 1989 and affected or suspected animals are slaughtered immediately and their carcases destroyed. I understand a further 19 suspected animals have been slaughtered and destroyed as well and their brains have been forwarded to Abbotstown for diagnosis. Full compensation was paid to the owners. Routine monitoring is carried out at our meat plants and suspected cases are referred for diagnosis. In all instances, that diagnosis has yielded negative results. The Department has also purchased the progeny of each of the affected female animals. I want to say that this is simply a precautionary measure as there is no evidence the disease is transmitted from mother to offspring. The progeny are being kept under study of the Department's veterinary research laboratory at Abbotstown. That project will contribute to the study on the possibility of vertical transmission while removing the animals from the food chain. There is no evidence to show that BSE can spread between animals under natural conditions, either maternally from dam to calf or laterally from animal to animal.

Research is in progress in the UK to provide a definitive answer to these questions; but the results will not be known for some time, owing to BSE's protracted incubation period which, as has been said already here, is a number of years. Even if transmission does occur there will be no additional risks to human health because of the comprehensive precautionary measures that have already been taken. Neither is there any evidence that BSE can be transmitted via semen or through embryo transfer. Studies on scrapie in sheep have shown that the agent is not present in semen or embryos. Research is however in hand in the UK to confirm that the same is true for BSE and cattle.

While the UK has banned the feeding of meat and bonemeal derived from ruminant animals to ruminant animals, that is, cattle, sheep and goats, it may still be fed to non-reminant species such as pigs and poultry since it does not present a risk to these species. Indeed, no naturally occurring spongiform has been recorded in either species anywhere in the world and it seems unlikely that they are susceptible to the natural disease. Of significance here is the fact that meat and bonemeal has been extensively used to feed pigs in Britain for many years without ill effect. Furthermore, experiments in the USA, using kurk material, failed to provide evidence that the disease is transmissable to pigs.

The BSE situation in the UK and Ireland are not comparable. There have been 19 cases here, as I have said, out of total cattle population of seven million as opposed to over 13,000 in a British cattle population of 12 million. These figures indicate that the UK has an indigenous source of the disease, whereas we do not. This is reflected in the fact that, while the EC has imposed restrictions on the export of cattle from the UK, similar action has not been deemed necessary in the case of Ireland.

The recent confirmation that a cat in Great Britain and a cat in Northern Ireland showed a brain condition similar to BSE is not, I think, a cause for concern. These particular cases are being investigated by the UK, but there is no scientific evidence to show that they are associated with BSE or scrapie or that the condition is transmissable.

Finally, I want to say that the Department of Agriculture and Food will continue to carefully and comprehensively monitor developments closely. The research undertaken in the UK links BSE to the scrapie problem in their sheep population and its possible onward transmission through infected meat and bonemeal. The absence of a sheep scrapie problem here, together with the use of different rendering practices and a prohibition on the import of meat and bonemeal from the UK, provide us with safeguards against this source of infection.

Again, I repeat that there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that BSE is transmissible to humans. I am satisfied that the measures which we have taken here, such as the destruction of affected animals, the purchase of their progeny and the routine monitoring at our meat plants, guard against any possible risk.

The Seanad adjourned at 4.45 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 6 June 1990.

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