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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 10 Nov 1999

Vol. 160 No. 14

Services for People with Disabilities: Motion.

Mr. Ryan

I move:

That Seanad Éireann condemns the Fianna Fáil/Progressive Democrat Coalition Government for its total failure to provide essential services and resources for people with physical and mental disabilities at a time when the economy is booming; and calls on the Government to make available the necessary funding to provide for day care, respite care, home care, residential care, personal assistance services, and independent living as needed by people with disabilities and their families, and as promised regularly by the Government.

Cuirim failte roimh an tAire. We seem to have seen a lot of the Minister in recent weeks and I have considerable intellectual respect for him. He sometimes does a difficult job very well and sometimes he does a very difficult job very badly. I am entitled to make that judgment.

I persuaded my colleagues to put down this motion because we are at a decisive moment. We have to make decisions now about whether we are prepared to use resources that were unimaginable five years ago, not to mention ten years ago, we now have to end things that we all used to agree 20 years ago would be at the top of our priorities if we had the resources to deal with them. Homelessness would have been one of my top priorities when I started in politics, but I accept that homelessness is a complex and difficult problem in which resources are not the only issue.

However, it is quite clear when dealing with the problems of people with physical or mental handicaps or physical, intellectual and sensory disabilities, that the organisations representing those people have, over a period of maturing, developed a very clear strategy of what is needed in order to dramatically transform the lives of people who are physically or mentally handicapped. I will refer to the submissions of two of those bodies, the National Association for the Mentally Handicapped in Ireland and the Irish Wheelchair Association. I hope this will be the last year people in wheelchairs will have to feel obliged to sit outside the gates of Leinster House.

The Irish Wheelchair Association has a succession of proposals, the total cost of which is £32 million. There was a time when the expenditure of £32 million on perhaps 7,000 people would be regarded as enormously generous and in a time of severe budgetary restrictions perhaps it would have been irresponsibly generous. However, we now have so much money available to our society and to the Government in particular that only ideology, an ideology that is quite wrong, stands between us and meeting these demands.

There is not one Member of the Oireachtas who would go to the Irish Wheelchair Association and say, "You do not need these things." Nobody would say they do not need what they are asking for – personal assistants, respite and resource centres and a cost of disability payment scheme to give people with physical disability a fair income to live on. Nobody would meet these people and say anything other than: "Yes, we acknowledge that you need these things and that they are reasonable demands. We acknowledge that this is not somebody seeking excess, this is not somebody seeking to live well on the munificence of the State. We acknowledge that every penny of the £32 million the Irish Wheelchair Association is seeking would be well spent if every penny of it was given to them.".

One can only have enormous respect for physically handicapped people, those in wheelchairs and their families for their resilience, good humour, courage and for the enormous spirit they show in overcoming profound disability. That spirit is epitomised by a former Senator who is now a Member of the European Parliament, Mr. Brian Crowley. I have enormous respect for him both for his stances on many issues and because of the extraordinary way in which he has chosen to deal with the hand life dealt him.

The same is true of those who have family members with mental handicap or learning difficulties. Again, they are not looking for something any Member of the Oireachtas would say is not needed. They have quoted figures produced by the Department of Health and Children showing that 3,380 people with mental handicap and intellectual disability will require a new service in the next few years. They quote the Minister as saying that it is clear from a preliminary examination of the figures that waiting lists for services are on the increase. The Minister has a record on this. In 1997 he said:

It is not acceptable that a parent of a son or daughter with a mental handicap should have to worry about who will look after their child when they are no longer able to care for them. I intend to ensure that their fears are allayed.

The Government programme states, "Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats are committed to radical change to ensure that the needs and aspirations of people with disabilities, their families and carers are comprehensively addressed."

The trouble is that we all agree with this. The trouble is that there is nobody in this House or the other House who does not agree with this. The trouble is that families and people who suffer from these disabilities have been listening to this agreement for ten years. They have lobbied all the political parties and everyone they could who said, "Yes, of course it is terrible". Wonderfully moving television programmes have been made, crusading journalists have written about them and everyone said "Yes, it is awful". The people who work with them have experienced, as have many others working in the voluntary sector, an unintentional but nevertheless superior patronisation, almost a patting on the head, saying "You are doing great work, keep it up, we think you are wonderful". Once that is said, people forget them.

I remind the Minister and the Government of last Saturday's opinion poll which showed that four out of five Irish people believe that improving public services is more important than reducing taxes. The extraordinary fact is that we could do both. This country is so awash with money that we could build a fair tax system for those on low or fixed incomes and have more than enough resources to do all of the things so many people have demanded for ten to 20 years.

What I am saying to the Minister and the Government is quite simple. The total sum sought by NAMHI and the Irish Wheelchair Association is about £60 million every year plus an appropriate level of capital investment to enable that money to be spent. That is only one of a large number of areas in which public expenditure is needed. The resources are there – the only obstacle is the determination of this Government to meet a target on the increase in public expenditure which is wrong, unrealistic, unrelated to development, which has not been achieved in any other civilised country in northern Europe and which is based, not on economic necessity or the so-called laws of economics, but on ideology. The ideological belief that public expenditure must be reduced as a share of gross domestic product is no more than that.

There is no economic, empirical or other evidence to suggest that we should not spend this money. The only reason we will not make provision for the handicapped, the homeless and a dozen other groups in society in the next two years is not because we do not have the money but because we will not spend it. It is the job of this Minister, now he has one major obstacle out of his way, to tell his colleague, the Minister for Finance, to forget it, a 4 per cent increase in public expenditure is not enough. There are a many hurts to heal and many gaps to be filled. We have the chance to do it and public opinion is telling us we should. The only reason we will not do it will not be practicality or resources but because somebody somewhere with an ideology of pain and privatisation says we should not spend public money on public services. We should and we can. If this Government will not do it, a different Government will. If this Government will not do it, it does not deserve to stay in government. Any Government which lets ideology stand in the way of doing what everybody knows should be done does not deserve to be in office. It is time to move beyond ideology to what we can do which is spend the resources we have on those who need it most.

I second the motion. As my colleague Senator Ryan asked, who can disagree with this motion? Last Monday night in Nenagh I met four women, two of whom work in services for the mentally handicapped and two parents. They requested a meeting because they wish to establish a fund to set up a day workshop for mentally handicapped children and adults who currently have no service. They have to date identified 157 people in Nenagh town and its catchment area, that is, a five mile radius, in the age group of infants to 65 years and over with mild to profound learning disabilities who have no service available to them during the day. The vast majority are over the age of 18 years because most of those under 18 are catered for by St. Anne's of Roscrea or Lisnagry. However, there is a considerable number of people who spend their days effectively doing nothing, who are at home with their families and have no outlet.

This group of four women have begun an action programme to build a centre in Nenagh town for these people and their families. In doing so, they are doing what we are used to seeing happening – they are taking the initiative, which is to be applauded. They had an initial meeting with the health board which gave its full support, but said it will depend on resources. They are likely to get a site, which I hope they do, from the local authority for little or nothing. They will get their skates on and do what parents of the mentally handicapped have become so used to doing – they will organise, fundraise and receive great support from the community. Having taken the initiative they will basically get the service up and running. It all comes down to resources and money.

As Senator Ryan said, we have the money to provide resources and ensure that the adult mentally handicapped are not confined to a life without quality. Their families are forced not only into full-time care but into providing full-time social activities for these people, who, in effect, have a reduced quality of life and are second class citizens as a result of the absence of services they require. Until a number of years ago, the answer was always "If only we had the resources; we are a poor country, our resources are limited, we have a national debt and we cannot make it stretch to everyone". However, we have the money now and the time for excuses is over. We should spend the money, not only on helping groups such as this, but on very basic services for members of the Irish Wheelchair Association who were here last week. We all went out to meet them at the gates of Leinster House where they come year after year to lobby for their case. The Minister knows what their case is.

This year they are requesting £16 million to make personal assistants, respite and resource centres a reality for 4,000 people with significant physical disabilities. For many such people, personal assistants mean the difference between being prisoners in their own homes or getting out and having some quality of life. Respite and resource centres are required by their families who have 24 hour responsibility. They want £16 million to establish a costed disability payment scheme to give people with physical disabilities a fair and equitable income to live on and they want £32 million to make independence, inclusion and equity a reality. It is time we acted on that request because these people have waited far too long. As Senator Ryan rightly said, we have the money so let us do it. It comes down to a question of political choice and our decision as a nation on how to spend the fruits of our prosperity which people have worked hard to achieve but which are not benefiting everybody. We have an opportunity to generate an equal quality of life for those with physical and mental disability and it is now time to do so.

In its pre-budget submission the Disability Federation of Ireland has raised a number of issues, including the carer's allowance, personal assistant services, VAT relief for voluntary organisations registered as charities and funding for properly accessible transport facilities. The federation is also seeking funding for the financial deficits of organisations that provide services to people with disabilities. Such organisations have to spend so much time fund raising that their main work is often relegated to second place on the agenda.

In recent years there have been huge advances in providing the carer's allowance, which has gone from a pittance to a level that recognises the job carers do. Last year's initiative involving a pension style arrangement for full-time carers was very welcome and has made a huge difference to some people. It has also led to a recognition of the work being done particularly by full-time carers, the majority of whom are women. In the years to come I hope the Government will decide to develop the idea of supporting carers both at home and in the community, if only because the value for money is much greater than supporting private nursing homes whose cost is escalating all the time. Consideration should be given to a policy of supporting full and part-time carers whose services are an invaluable asset to the many elderly people who would prefer to stay at home rather than moving into a nursing home.

I commend the motion to the House. Let us make the choice for a proper quality of life for the many thousands of people who deserve it.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "That" and substitute the following:

"Seanad Éireann recognises the need for the further development of services to people with intellectual, physical and sensory disabilities and approves both the Government's commitment to put in place an enhanced level of service provision in line with the commitments outlined in the Programme for Government and Partnership 2000 and the actions taken by the Government to date in meeting these commitments, which includes the provision of additional funding of £91.662 million."

Everybody in the House, including the Minister, would admit that there is more to be done, but it is also fair to say that much has already been done in this regard. I commend the work done by the National Association for the Mentally Handicapped of Ireland and the Irish Wheelchair Association. Both organisations are innovative and dedicated to the cause they serve.

It is not fair to say, as Senator Ryan suggested, that the Minister has taken the attitude of giving people a pat on the head and telling them they are doing great work and to carry on. He has not let the situation go at that and I do not agree with that sentiment. I do not know how the issue of reforming the tax system arose in the debate, but Senator Ryan mentioned it. We did not only talk about it, however, we actually did it and there is more to come, but I will leave that to the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, when he presents his budget.

When one sets out to do anything, the most important thing is to know where one is coming from. If one does not know that, one cannot know where one is going. Last year, preliminary data from the national intellectual disability database showed there was a balance of approximately 1,353 residential and 752 day places to be provided when the 1999 new service developments are taken into account. Since his appointment, the Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Cowen, has provided additional funding of £53 million, increasing in a full year to £59 million in the year 2000.

Additional funding of £28 million has been provided for the development of services in 1999. This funding comprises the following: £12 million additional Revenue funding with a full year cost of £18 million in 2000; £6 million to meet identified needs in existing services and £10 million capital funding to support the new developments. This funding is providing 400 new residential/respite places and 200 new day places. While this additional funding has made a significant impact, the accelerated provision of further additional resources for these services remains one of the Minister's stated priorities. He is currently pursuing the provision of this funding in the context of the Estimates process for 2000 and the national development plan.

A major £30 million capital programme was put in place in late 1997 for intellectual disability services to run over the four years 1998 to 2001, inclusive. This programme is providing for new residential and day facilities and the upgrading of existing facilities; the provision of alternative accommodation for persons with an intellectual disability resident in psychiatric hospitals and other inappropriate placements and the provision of facilities for persons who require specialist services in a secure environment. Some £50 million of this programme has been allocated to date. The programme is now part of the national development plan which will provide a significantly enhanced level of capital funding for services, priorities for the development of services to persons with an intellectual disability, additional day residential places, the transfer of persons from inappropriate care settings and meeting the needs of an aging population.

I referred earlier to the transfer of persons with an intellectual disability from psychiatric hospitals. In my time as a practising nurse with the psychiatric services at St. Loman's Hospital in Mullingar, I recall carrying out a survey of people with mental handicap and related disabilities in psychiatric hospitals. At the time I was quite surprised that the numbers were so high. It is to the eternal credit of the current director of nursing, Mr. Pat Lynch, and his staff that a fine facility was developed at the Lough Cheever centre in Mullingar. I am also pleased to say that other upgradings are taking place in St. Finan's, Killarney, St. Canice's, Kilkenny, St. Raphael's, Youghal, Kelvin Grove, Carlow, St. Peter's, Castlepollard and the Alvernia Centre, Portlaoise. Improvements are taking place in all these centres for people with sensory and other disabilities.

With regard to physical and sensory disability services, it has been estimated that the number of people involved is between 100,000 and 200,000. The report, Towards an Independent Future, highlighted the lack of reliable information on the number of people with physical and sensory disabilities and their service needs and recommended the establishment of a database of the service needs of this group. It is anticipated that the database will be put in place in 2000 and it will be an invaluable aid to the planning of services.

The report of the review group on health and personal social services for people with physical and sensory disabilities, Towards an Independent Future, was published in December 1996. It set out the requirements for the development of services over the five years from 1997 to 2001, inclusive. It estimated the cost of implementing its recommendations at £50 million over the period. A total of £18 million was provided between 1997 and 1999 as part of the £21 million which will have been spent over the four years to 2000.

One of the recommendations of the review group is the establishment in each health board of a co-ordinating committee for physical and sensory disability services. Membership of these committees comprises health board officers, representatives of voluntary agencies, disabled people, who were nominated by the Irish Council of People with Disabilities, and the National Rehabilitation Board. The functions of the committees include the planning and co-ordination of the services and advising health boards on priorities for the allocation of funding available for the development of services. I am pleased to note that such committees are now in place in all health boards.

Another recommendation of the review group is that existing services should be put on a firm financial footing to provide a firm basis for future development. In the years from 1997 to 1999, funding has been provided in the Estimates of the Department of Health and Children for the elimination of underfunding by the State. Revenue funding of £2.186 million in 1997, £2.4 million in 1998 and £3.2 million in 1999 has been provided for the purpose of eliminating core funding deficits. It is anticipated that further Revenue funding will be provided in future years. Additional fund ing for 1997 was £3.695 million with a Revenue amount of £10 million, which gave a total of £13.695 million. Additional funding for 1998 was £5.4 million from Revenue with a once off payment of £7.862 million, giving a total of £13.262 million.

Much has been said about the position of personal assistants and rightly so. This service is a must for people with physical disabilities. I have discussed the matter with the Minister and he is conscious of the problem. However, from experience in my county, it should be pointed out that there is a difficulty in getting people to take up positions as personal assistants. This is probably indicative of the number of jobs available at present. I appeal to the Minister to ensure that everything possible is done to provide personal assistants where appropriate because it involves people who depend on assistants. Otherwise, they are prisoners in their own homes.

I and the Fine Gael Party are pleased to support the motion. If the Labour Party had not tabled it this week, we intended to table a similar motion for our next Private Members' slot. The Minister will listen to a Fine Gael Private Members' motion in the other House next week. It is obvious that, at a time of plenty and on the eve of the millennium budget, this nation which considers itself Christian should not forget its people with physical and sensory or mental and intellectual disabilities.

The many issues involved were reiterated during the nurses' strike when I visited hospitals, although the nurses had other things on their minds. The most important issue is the need for respite care services and the elimination of waiting lists for such care. Other major issues are the need for residential day care, aids and appliances and the need for expansion of the personal assistant service, which is in big demand. In the Fine Gael Private Members' motion, which will be discussed next week in the other House, a figure of not less than £100 is mentioned in terms of financial support for carers of people with disabilities.

I thought that at this stage there would be definite figures available regarding the number of people with physical and sensory disabilities. The estimated figure available to me is 140,000, although other speakers mentioned different figures. However, such people cannot achieve what we can achieve in terms of full social, economic and educational integration as equal, independent and participative members of society. Sometimes we do not appreciate that we have the facilities to achieve those goals, but it is not within the ambit of the people who are the subject of the motion.

It was sad to meet representatives of the Irish Wheelchair Association last week who were protesting for the second successive year. For them, the difficulty of travelling is almost insurmountable and it should not be necessary for them to protest annually. The emphasis of the millennium budget in the health area should be on funding the expansion of community based and residential care facilities, their services and requirements.

Senator Ryan quoted from the report, Towards an Independent Future. We do not want that report to suffer a similar fate to other reports. We should seek the implementation of the recommendations in the report by the end of 2000. For example, the cerebral palsy unit in Mungret in Limerick, which does tremendous work, is seeking funding. It relates its needs to those outlined in the report, such as the basic issue of regional child assessment. It also refers to the need to provide 1,600 places nationally for day service facilities for people with disabilities with the objectives of maintaining and improving personal independence, an issue which constantly arises, and mobility and communication skills. They are basic needs. Another issue is the integration of people with disabilities into community life, which should be our aim.

The advisory group, which emanated from the Department of Health and Children, said there should be three different levels of personal assistance. One relates to severe disability, another to care attendants for primary tasks such as washing, dressing and limited assistance with education and the third is respite care, another matter which arises constantly.

The replacement of aids and appliances appears to be virtually impossible. New highly technical appliances are available and we must think in terms of the replacement of old technology. It is difficult to explain to people who tell me their appliances no longer fit and they need replacements that they must wait for months. This is not giving them quality of life and it is not equality. The issue of respite continually arises. There is a need for 100 residential places in dedicated facilities for people with disabilities. The Minister is aware of all these issues because the report for his Department highlighted them.

Senator Ryan referred to NAMHI and the 3,380 people, according to departmental figures, with mental handicap and intellectual disability. It wants phased funding of £40 million in 2000 and £35 million 2001. I will not repeat the details mentioned earlier with the exception of one item which is the most important. The Minister said it is not acceptable that a parent of a son or daughter with a mental handicap should have to worry about who will look after their child when they are no longer able to care for them. He said that he intends to ensure that their fears are allayed. I believe the Minister because everybody would accept that is an extraordinary burden for parents who are ageing. They have had to deal with the situation for many years and they must think about entering the next world and leaving the problem behind. The Minister made his statement in 1997 and I appeal to him to deal with the matter. I hope he will ensure that their fears are allayed. On the issue of aids and appliances for the voluntary sector, because of funding that was brought forward to them, it might be better if any funding for aids and appliances were filtered through the health boards.

There is a need for more small groups concerned with, for instance, blindness or deafness to combine and share facilities. There is a pilot study being carries out in the Mid-Western Health Board. They could join together, share experiences – they would certainly have a better quality of life – and they would have very practical approaches as to how they can deal with their problem.

The Minister is aware of my hobby-horse issue of ADD or ADHD. I am still sad that the report, which will be a year old very soon, has not yet been debated in the Seanad. I would hope that the Minister would prioritise it for 2000 because, the mid-western support group, particularly the pilot group in the Limerick area, have done wonders. I do not know how they survive or how they find the energy to deal with what are nightmare living conditions for parents of children suffering from ADHD.

As we reach the next millennium, the people would raise no dissenting voice if we were to say tomorrow that we will forget about the razzmatazz of having this monument and that celebration. These are all peripheral and passing events. A lasting monument to us in the dying year of this millennium, and in the spirit of the first millennium, would be to prioritise our money. Forget the celebrations. We are already, as a nation, forgetting about going out on New Year's Eve, wanting instead to be with our families, and in that spirit we should be putting our resources into the most basic need – providing a quality of life for people who unfortunately suffer from physical and mental disability.

Minister for Health and Children (Mr. Cowen): I am delighted to have the opportunity to speak in the House on this issue and to welcome both the motion and the amendment. It provides a forum for debate. Dealing with disability issues is unfortunately a relatively recent phenomenon in Ireland where Governments have been involved. As late as 1992, John O'Connell actually started a process which would allow the issues to be scoped for the purpose of devising a framework to address them. This is often forgotten. The State has come very late to this issue. The voluntary sector down the years has been providing the service and the advocacy for people, whether with intellectual, physical or sensory disabilities. They are to be commended and complimented and it is important in this debate to acknowledge that the transition we are moving into now is a new partnership between the voluntary and the statutory sectors.

A framework must first be developed within which we can determine the size and scope of the problem, and how we can deal with not just the need for continuing developments, existing developments, but with historic under-funding of services which have been filled by the voluntary sector. This Government, on its election to office, has dealt with that issue in a way in which no previous Government has. That is only one part of a wider problem.

It is important to make those points. The idea that we are in a settled position that simply requires resourcing does give cognisance to the work that has gone on since the beginning of the nineties under Dr. John O'Connell. It is not within the health services alone that disability issues are going to be addressed. Those who advocate for disability rights have been seeking, for a long time, a move away from the health model of disability. Services need to be mainstreamed and to provide services as a right to people regardless, rather than in a specific, managed way because people are disabled or providing services through a particular department, is not the way in which we are going to improve the disability issues. Therefore, a move away from the health based model of disability and towards a rights based model has been the new policy drive.

There is no question, as Senator Ryan has indicated, of differing ideology. Agreement has been achieved as a result of the work of the establishment groups and the reports that we have on intellectual and physical disability. There is a consensus as to how we are to proceed in ensuring that disability issues get the priority within the public policy framework they deserve and that they have not historically got in the past.

The establishment group for the National Disability Authority was set up in November when we came into office in 1997 and reported to Government in June 1998. The Government accepted the recommendations of the infrastructural arrangements for the NDA and mainstreaming of services are now at an advanced stage with a proposed implementation date of March 2000, which has been agreed.

The changes being introduced will result soon in the relocation of responsibility for disability services from the National Rehabilitation Board under the aegis of the Department of Health and Children to the various Departments and Government agencies with overall responsibility for these services. That change in structure of service delivery is an absolute prerequisite if we are to successfully deal with the agenda that the disability organisations are quite rightly presenting to us on an ongoing basis. As a result of that structural change, therefore, vocational training and employment services, for example, for people with disabilities will be provided by FÁS under the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment as they are being provided to other members of the community.

A new mainstream information and support service, Comhairle, is being established under the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs, and the audiology, psychology and non-vocational services operated by the NRR will be provided by the relevant Government agencies such as the health boards and the new National Educational Psychology Service.

The NDA is being established in conjunction with these mainstreaming arrangements. The authority will be an independent statutory body established under the aegis of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. Legislation to provide for the new authority, the National Disability Authority Act, 1999, was enacted on 8 June this year. The NDA will be responsible for research and development standards and codes of practice for disability services and for monitoring and assisting service providers to ensure implementation of standards and codes of practice. The NDA will also act as a coherent focus for disability policy and will play a key role in advising and reporting to the Minister in regard to disability issues. It will also facilitate and monitor disability policy and legislation and delivery of services across the sectors and will provide a focus at Government level through its advisory and reporting role to the Minister.

The National Disability Authority will not be involved in direct enforcement, for which a number of mechanisms already exist, such as internal complaints procedures, the Ombudsman's Office and the new Equality Authority. However, the NDA will also intervene directly with service providers and where it is not satisfied with the outcome, it will report its findings to the Minister with recommendations for the review, reduction or withdrawal of funding provided for such services. Interventions by the NDA may be included in the annual report of the NDA which will be published and put before both Houses of the Oireachtas.

The NDA therefore has a key role in monitoring and implementing the recommendations of the Report of the Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities. The Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform will continue to monitor further progress on the implementation of the commission's recommendations at interdepartmental level. Four pilot community services projects and two pilot community action plans are ongoing, focusing on accessible transport and undertaken by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

The backdrop against which the establishment of the National Disability Authority and each of the other developments is taking place is the new legislative framework for equality. The Employment Equality Act, 1998, was brought into effect on 18 October 1999 and prohibits discrimination in the workplace on a number of grounds including disability. This legislation will be complemented in the very near future with the expected enactment of the Equal Status Bill, 1999, which is currently before the Dáil and which will prohibit discrimination in services. Legislation specifically providing for disability has been enacted in education and is proposed for mental health and for accessibility of private housing.

With this framework in place, preparatory work on a rights based disabilities Bill has commenced in the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. It is intended to develop this legislation within the Department in an innovative and comprehensive way to ensure that the many issues which impact on disability and which remain to be dealt with are considered. Constitutional issues may also need to be addressed and this will be an evolving area as the provisions of the anti-discrimination legislation are challenged and developed.

It is important to recognise that the legislative framework is the one within which disability issues can progress. It is as a result of the work and consensus built up between all the disabilities bodies that that structural framework being put in place is seen as a necessary prerequisite for dealing with the issues. That is not to say that one postpones the operational problems that people with disabilities face on a daily basis. It does not absolve the State of its responsibilities to increase funding in this area. The record of this Government will show, on any objective criteria, a far greater commitment by this Administration than any of its predecessors. That is a fact.

I have heard Opposition Deputies, since I became Minister, contend that suddenly, in June 1997, there were unimaginable resources that were not previously available. Let it be remembered by those who propose the motion in the House today that their leader, as Minister for Finance, had before him in three budgets a total expenditure of £40,000 million. The idea that resources suddenly became available in June 1997 is a fallacy, and a politically defensive mechanism by those who did not produce when they were in office. I can refer to the revenue and capital allocations, for physical and intellectual and sensory disability, during the term 1994 to 1997 when there are those who were then in Government who claim to have a monopoly of virtue in relation to this area. I can show clearly, if the Senator so wishes, the relative performance of both Administrations.

Without making that political point, this is an objective financial point that stands on its own merits. In trying to deal with disability issues one is dealing with a different matrix of need all the time. There are emerging needs which are increasing and there is, therefore, a need to see in what way we can accelerate developments. That would be one of the objectives I have as Minister for Health and Children. Quite apart from meeting the recommendations in Towards an Indepen dent Future in terms of the funding they mention there, or the assessment of need report for intellectual disabilities, that in itself is not a static picture but simply a timeframe, snapshot or prediction of need that is changing and emerging all the time.

What we are trying to put in place for physical and sensory disabilities now is something which has proven successful in dealing with the problem of intellectual disability, that is a database to put information on record. That issue will be finalised very shortly. It is only in that respect that we can get away from the perennial debate in which people talk about the resource requirement this year. Unless we acknowledge the historic under-funding of the past, the need to put in the proper planning structures and legislative framework now and unless we scope the problem for the future we will not find the sort of quality improvements that people with physical and sensory disabilities need. I see some of their advocates in the House tonight and I welcome them.

Similarly, in relation to intellectual disability, the fact that we have the assessment of need report has been an important driver in trying to bring forward not just the necessary resourcing but, concomitant with that, the necessary planning that is required, both within the voluntary and statutory sector on a partnership basis to make sure we provide the places we plan for. Unless we do that, we will find that increasing resources will not bring the sort of results we want. The involvement of the voluntary sector is absolutely critical.

Statistical information on the numbers of people with intellectual disability, for example, provided by the National Intellectual Disability Database, in their first report published in 1996, shows that at that time the total number of people was 26,664. The preliminary 1998 data have identified an increase of 1,346 persons. We have gone, therefore, from 26,664 to 28,010 in the overall number of persons on the database. The data reveal an ageing population in the more severe range of disability and higher numbers of young adults and increased life expectancy, thankfully, will mean that the pressure currently being experienced by adult day services will increase as this group ages and requires residential services.

There are, at present, no definitive statistics in relation to the number of people with physical and sensory disabilities – it is hard to believe. Based on population trends in other countries it has been estimated that the number in this country could be as high as 200,000. Towards an Independent Future highlighted the lack of reliable information on the numbers and service needs of people with physical and sensory disabilities and recommended the establishment of a database on the health service needs of persons with physical and sensory disabilities. As a first step the review group recommended the establishment, by my Department, of a database development committee to prepare detailed proposals for the development of such a database. That committee hopes to complete its work by the end of this year and it will pave the way for the putting in place of the database next year.

One recommendation of the review group was that the chief executive officer of each health board should establish a regional co-ordinating committee for services for people with physical and sensory disabilities. Membership of the committee will comprise officers of the health board, the voluntary sector service providers, the representatives of service users – that is, people with disabilities – and the National Rehabilitation Board. I am pleased to say that those committees have been established in every health board and we are pursuing a review of the operation of the committees in consultation with them and the voluntary organisations concerned, the purpose of which is to identify best practice, to encourage a cross-fertilisation of ideas across the regions to come up with solutions to any teething problems which may have arisen, and to contribute to the development of overall national policy.

A major element of the review process was a national seminar which brought together all the participating parties to discuss progress to date and ways in which the operation of the committees could be made more effective. I am confident that that partnership approach will bring about real progress in the planning and delivery of services and we will continue to facilitate that process.

In relation to carers, dealing with disabilities on the health model would be to fail to recognise the contribution that other Departments and agencies and other parts of the State apparatus can make. Carers are an obvious example. People with disabilities living at home require assistance with the tasks of daily living and often the responsibility for care rests with one person principally.

The review group report acknowledges the need to expand and develop different levels of home support services for people with disabilities and their carers and a substantial package of improvements in the carer's allowance was provided in the 1998 budget, and graciously acknowledged by Senator O'Meara. All 11,500 existing carers will benefit from those measures, with an additional 3,300 new carers qualifying for the allowance this year. The total package of those improvements alone in last year's budget amounted to £18 million annually. That is a large additional increase on the existing £45 million spent on carers last year and indicates a substantial commitment to carers and our appreciation of their valuable role in society.

In relation to personal assistant services there have been calls by the Centre for Independent Living for a personal assistance service funded by a designated independent living fund. A full PA service is defined by the Centre for Independent Living as the need for at least 20 hours service per week. The independent living fund is no more than a particular model for funding a PA service. The PA service is one of a range of support services designed to enable people with disabilities to live in the community with the maximum degree of independence. The range includes home helps, home care attendants, respite care, day care, etc. and the object of our policy is to develop the range of services as a whole. The amount of funding to be devoted to the development of this service is being decided in each health board area in accordance with locally perceived priorities. As I have already indicated, health boards decide on priorities for the allocation of development funding in consultation with the regional co-ordinating committees for physical and sensory disability services, as recommended by those who sought to have these services and their delivery improved.

The Minister for Education and Science has put in place a major new initiative in the special education area under which all children in the primary system assessed as having special needs arising from a disability will be entitled to an automatic response to those needs. That is a very important initiative that was taken under this Administration. The Minister considers that this initiative represents a major advance in the education of all children with special educational needs and demonstrates this Government's commitment to the provision of suitable education for children with special needs.

The level and nature of the response in each case will depend on the assessed needs of the child or group of children involved. The response may take the form of a full or part-time resource teacher or child care support, depending on the number of children involved and the nature of their needs. The sum of £8 million has been allocated, over the next two years, for teacher and special needs assistant support under that initiative.

The Minister for Education and Science also reduced the pupil teacher ratio in all special schools and special classes catering for children with mild learning disabilities; children with moderate learning disabilities; children with emotional disturbance; and children with a physical disability. These reductions will bring the pupil teacher ratios in all special schools and classes down to the level recommended by the special education review committee and represent the full implementation of one of the key recommendations of that committee.

In addition, £3.4 million has been allocated over the next two years to facilitate the introduction of escorts on all special school transport services and the provision of safety harnesses on such services when required. A further £800,000 has been allocated over the next two years for the purchase of special equipment for children with disabilities. The Minister for Education and Science is also extending the remedial teaching service to ensure all schools which currently do not have a remedial service will have access to it. I am sure Senators will agree that these measures provide concrete evidence of the commitment from Government to ensuring all children with special needs receive the support they require to enable them to gain maximum benefit from the education system. I assure the House that it is the intention of the Minister for Education and Science to continue to build on the very significant progress which has already been achieved in this area.

Under the disabled persons grant scheme, local authorities may pay a grant for the provision of additional accommodation or necessary works of adaptation to a house to meet the needs of a member of the household with a disability. In the last budget that grant was increased from a maximum of £8,000 where it stood for many years to a maximum of £12,000 – a 50 per cent increase. Far from that being an ideological response it is a practical response to the needs of people who saw that as a simple improvement in an existing scheme which works well but due to the increase in building costs the increased limit was introduced and has been used to great effect at local level.

The arrival on our streets of buses which are accessible to wheelchairs is a major breakthrough in the pursuit of universal access. These buses are being operated currently by Dublin Bus on the No. 3 route. They are also being piloted in Cork city by Bus Éireann. At the request of my colleague, the Minister for Public Enterprise, Dublin Bus is preparing a broad programme of trials of possible low floor buses. Depending on the results of these tests, Dublin Bus should be in a position to begin ordering accessible double decker buses from 2000, another bone of contention – a basic need which was being sought by disability groups and progress can be reported in that area. In regard to my Department, many of the services for people with disabilities are provided by agencies in the voluntary sector. Very often the provision of services was in response to demands for services from their own members. Some of these services could be funded from fund raising income but not all and a situation developed over a period of years where services were not fully funded by the State. In recent years with falling income from fund raising some agencies have been running services at a loss and building up debts.

One of the basic recommendations of the review group was that existing services be put on a firm financial footing in order to provide a sound basis for future development – an important point on the development of services. Existing services must be put on a sound financial footing and improved as we go along, not for the purpose of postponing increased resources but of ensuring that we do not end up building further blocks in a house without ensuring the foundation is sustainable in the long term. Within months of coming into office, this Government provided by way of a Supplementary Estimate £5 million to eliminate accumulated deficits of those agencies. These issues were brought before the previous Administration but fell on deaf ears. To help eliminate the ongoing under funding of services, £2.4 million revenue was provided in 1998 and £6.4 million this year.

One of the areas singled out by people with disabilities, again a practical response rather than an ideological one, was the obvious aids and appliance package which again had been sought by people on the ground for some time for the replacement of basic equipment. It was a forlorn hope, almost like the east Germans waiting for their travel after 15 years. It was getting to the stage where people in the disability sector had no prospect of basic maintenance, repair or the provision of new wheelchairs or other physical and sensory aids and appliances. The practical response of this Administration and this Department with colleagues, Deputies Dermot Ahern and Mary Wallace, was to provide £4.825 million – £500,000 for the elderly, £4.325 million for appliances. This helped thousands of people. It was not a huge amount of money but it was an important amount given the gaps in the services because people seemed to have an ideological problem about doing practical things rather than being rhetorical about the need for an inclusive, fair and egalitarian society, yet nothing was being done in terms of providing a wheelchair replacement or a basic hearing aid. People wanted a practical response and that was provided by this Administration in a way in which the previous Administation was found incapable of doing, not because there were unimaginable resources but because the use of existing modest resources were not being focused on the people on the ground who needed those services. More than 10,000 people with disabilities benefited from that simple initiative.

A further £1 million was provided for capital funding to health boards in 1998 for aids and appliances. Notwithstanding that funding, it was brought to my attention towards the end of 1998 that there were still substantial waiting lists in health boards for aids and appliances. I allocated a further £4 million to help eliminate those waiting lists. Despite these substantial injections of funding, health boards are still experiencing difficulty keeping up with demand for aids and appliances and discussions will continue in that regard. I do not have the funds available since I put them out at the beginning of the year.

Mr. Ryan

The Minister had £6 billion. That is ideology.

I am not prepared to take any criticism from the Senator who was recently recruited to the Labour Party. He was not interrupted at the European Parliament convention, which was his real reason for joining. The bottom line is the aids and appliance initiative came under this Administration, was its brainchild and will be continued under it. The Senator can call me a socialist or a capitalist but the people with disabilities know the practical benefits of this and I will let them decide.

In 1997, in addition to the £9.325 million made available for aids and appliances we also helped eliminate the accumulated deficits of the voluntary sector service providers with capital grants totalling £675,000 given to the voluntary sector service providers for the provision of additional respite and long-term residential care places.

In 1998 a total of £8.4 million was allocated to the maintenance and development of services for people with physical and sensory disabilities. Of this, £2.4 million was devoted to eliminating core under-funding which is a continuing problem. Nine of the main voluntary agencies in the sector received grants for that purpose. A further £3 million was invested in aids and appliances and the balance was allocated to health boards for the further development of services. Almost half of that funding was used to create 50 new posts in health boards, such as speech and language therapists, physiotherapists, occupational therapists, social workers and public health nurses.

This year a total of £13.4 million, rising to £16.4 million in the year 2000, has been allocated to the maintenance and development of services for people with physical and sensory disabilities. I do not say this in any self-congratulatory way but on the basis that, taken as an objective assessment with previous performance, that is a significant improvement. It does not suggest that we do not continue with increased resourcing. I am not prepared to listen to political claptrap. When the Senator's leader was Minister for Finance with £40 billion expenditure over three years and three budgets, the total amount given to disabilities in an election year was £1 million. That Government was disparate and distant from the people by the time they went out to get their answer in June of that year.

Since my appointment as Minister for Health and Children, I have consistently identified the ongoing development of services to persons with an intellectual disability and their families as one of my priorities. I met them today. Indeed I had an excellent, straight and honest meeting with Alliance today; I had also met them when I attended the NAMHI Conference. I talk to people in an honest way about what can and cannot be done with available resources and within Government policy. It is my political priority to try to do something about that issue. The Estimates will be published tomorrow but I get Revenue funding not simply through the Estimates. There are the budget package and the National Development Plan where health capital funding has been included for the first time. An unprecedented amount of capital money will be made available for people in the disability sector as a result of negotiations with the Minister for Finance with whom it was very easy to deal when it came to this issue compared with some of his predecessors based on the success of what they have been able to get.

Let us get honest and say that even when extra resources are provided over the next three years during the life of this Administration, there will still be the need for advocacy groups, for people to put forward disability issues, an emerging and changing need which will require constant improvement by whoever has the privilege to be in Government at that time. After our five years in office, I am confident that, in any objective assessment with any of our predecessors, and allowing for increased resources, we will be seen to have made a significant and sincere attempt to advance these issues so that people enjoy basic rights. I will not be rhetorical about it, I will not wear my heart on my sleeve, I will not go to any socialist international and sing the Red Flag but I will ensure that modern day republicanism will give real equality to those people who were left out by the previous Government for the three years they were in office. While in Opposition I remember the dismay of those groups having had meetings with the Government. They will have a slightly different tale to tell at the end of our term in office.

I welcome the Minister to the House. He is an invigorating performer. I do not envy him his job but he certainly seems to be well on top of it. It was a remarkable performance and a good speech. He showed considerable respect to the House by the detailed manner in which he replied to the terms of the motion. He gave a lot of interesting information. He is obviously passionately committed to the issue. I was entertained by the way in which, rather like myself, he demeaned himself by getting down into the political gutter and exchanging a few fisticuffs – it is a temptation I find very difficult to resist. I probably would not have belted them out at the socialists in quite the same way but it is invigorating stuff. I believe the Minister is committed to doing what he can and if anyone can squeeze money out of a turnip he can.

While I support the motion, it is part of the interplay of democratic politics for Oppositions to criticise. Fianna Fáil never hid behind the bush when it came to criticising – they regard it as a central part of Opposition. However, it seems to me that the Government's amendment is realistic to a certain extent because it recognises the need for further development. That is a good thing and I am pleased they are not saying everything is wonderful. The Minister did not say that either. However, even though I am an Independent Member, I will probably vote with this side of the House; that is politics. I compliment the Minister on his speech and for including solid serious information. Often during Private Members' time in this House dealing with serious issues we have not been treated with such a degree of courtesy or intellectual honesty, although there may be elements in his speech with which I would not agree. That disagreement would be mainly a question of emphasis and I would like to push a few buttons.

With regard to the provision of speech therapists, much more needs to be done. I raised on the Adjournment the case of a very devoted family with an autistic son. With great difficulty that family advanced that son's education and so on. A clinical psychologist's report was prepared in Stewart's Hospital but no speech therapy was available. This youth, for whom the world was beginning to open up, started sliding inexorably backwards. All kinds of bureaucratic reasons might be advanced but this child was a human reality left to fall between two stools. I hope something can be done in this case. The Minister was not able to be present for that Adjournment matter. It is in such matters that the Minister's energy needs to be brought into play to cut through the bureaucracy. There is bureaucracy in every Department. Sometimes visionary Ministers like Noel Browne in that Department and perhaps this Minister, if he lives up to his potential, can cut through the bureaucracy, secure funding and identify the human need. I hope he will live up to the kind of energy displayed in his speech.

This is, of course, a gradual process. A Minister cannot wave a wand and immediately transform matters. However, there are matters of regret. Accessibility was mentioned in his speech. There was no wheelchair accessibility to this House until Brian Crowley was elected. Suddenly the crooked way was made straight and the narrow way was broadened because an elected representative was involved.

On transport, provision is made in the budget for 150 new buses which are not wheelchair accessible. That is very regrettable. The Minister has given a commitment that this will not happen again and I hope it will not. It is tragic that we provide a public transport system yet buses are used from which citizens are disbarred. It is appalling.

People from the Centre for Independent Living demonstrated outside the gates of Leinster House during the last session. It was extremely moving because they were full of good cheer. They did not get everything they wanted; they received a certain amount but I hope they will get more. The Minister said that the fund for the Centre for Independent Living is no more than a particular model for funding. It is the principal one, one which people with disabilities have selected. We must not fudge the figures but cough up the money to allow people the dignity of an independent life as far as possible.

I am pleased the Minister indicated that £3.4 million is being allocated over the next two years to facilitate the introduction of escorts for special school services, harnesses and so on. Approximately two years ago I raised this issue as an Adjournment matter with the Minister for Education and Science. This is vitally important because children with special needs are vulnerable. To carry them on buses where safety is not addressed fully is abominable.

I wish to raise a couple of matters which, although not directly related to health, are part of the general debate. Senators received the brief from the Irish Wheelchair Association which cites what they see as broken promises from a series of Governments. They are not partisan. They are just saying that they asked, were promised and have not received. It seems like the Minister is beginning to deliver. I hope he continues in that vein and takes seriously the issues referred to here. I hope this was not just another rhetorical performance, the kind of performance of which he accused my colleague, Senator Ryan. The Irish Wheelchair Association made three central demands – day centres, respite and home support services. I hope there will be a significant move in this direction. People with disabilities often feel betrayed because they are promised services which are then taken away from them.

I received literature during the week from a group called IntroArt – art services for and by people with disabilities. This may appear frivolous but I do not think this is so. Art, literature, painting and theatre enrich the human spirit and are part of living fully. This group received some funding from the Arts Council. In February they received £10,000 for funding a pilot magazine and that was the only element of their work that was funded. In February this funding was cut back to £4,600 – more than 50 per cent was slashed off it. Voluntary workers who were working for nothing were left stranded. This is what people with disabilities fear.

There is a meanness in the bureaucracy and the Minister will need all his vitriol to cut through the greasy meanness of some minds. I recall seven or eight years ago raising the question of a man who was blind. He was clever, determined and intellectually ambitious. He received a scholarship to do a Ph.D. and the county council deducted the amount of his scholarship from his allowance. We managed to have it returned through an Adjournment debate and it was only because we embarrassed them and I received support from all sides of the House. This was a mean-spirited thing to do. I compliment the Minister on his speech and hope he will live up to all his promises.

I wish to make a final point about FÁS. We should examine how these schemes are run. I know a person who has been emotionally and intellectually damaged by social conditions in this country. He has taken part in some of these disability schemes and worked with FÁS. He is a highly intelligent man but he has spent time in hospital suffering from depression. It is sometimes impossible to get out of or in to these schemes because of the bureaucracy. If one tries to push for a job for such a person, one is told they have only three months left of their European programme or whatever it is. Why can we not use the database which was spoken about to cut through this bureaucracy and release these people to a life free from depression?

I welcome the Minister's contribution which shows his understanding of the problems in this area and his commitment to solving them. Not only his commitment but that of the Minister of State, Deputy Mary Wallace, have been demonstrated over the past year. In seconding the amendment to the motion, it is important to realise, as the Minister stated, that dealing with the area of disabilities is not about throwing money at it. It is important to identify the real needs. That is the most encouraging aspect of the Minister's speech. This is being taken on board with the establishment of the National Disability Authority. Relatively small amounts of money can make a huge difference if they are directed at the right areas. This is the important aspect; it is not about throwing money at the problem. The real problems must be identified and the money directed towards those.

One issue comes to mind regarding the provision by the Minister for Education and Science of an additional £3.4 million to facilitate the introduction of escorts on transport for special schools. This continues to be a problem for anyone in special schools, for the staff and for the transport provider. CIE has the contract for transporting people to these special schools but it is subcontracted to local people. Problems arise which cannot be dealt with for administrative reasons but which need to be solved. I refer to the requirement on carers on the buses to ensure passengers are cared for. The responsibility for this is the subject of argument between CIE and school principals. These matters should be sorted out because what is important is getting these children to school and back home safely. These are the real issues.

Perhaps the Minister could clarify matters regarding safety harnesses. The buses which transport children to special schools come under the primary sector and that means three children sit in two seats for adults. While special schools come under the primary sector, children attend them up to 18 years of age. They are fully grown adults. To have them three to a double seat in a bus is not safe. This is an issue which needs to be addressed. It is relatively minor but it must be focused upon and that is why the audit system to which the Minister referred is so important. It is necessary to identify where the problems are and to target resources at those areas.

There is a greater need on the part of service providers to have an awareness of the problems of people with disabilities rather than paying lip service to them. I will not outline some of the problems which exist, but a great deal of lip service is paid to the problems of people with disabilities. One incident of concern happened in Carlow about two years ago. A new footpath was required at a junction in the town. The existing footpath was composed of slabs which were difficult for a person in a wheelchair to negotiate. It was changed, a different route was taken, tarmacadam was laid and wheelchairs could then use it, but only as far as a signpost placed in the middle of the path. That type of stupidity has to be seen to be believed. Anyone with common sense would say that this should not happen, yet people go ahead and do it. That is why it irritates me tremendously when I hear people paying lip service to the problems of people with disabilities. A little common sense and money in the right area will solve many problems.

While there is care staff in special schools, there is a requirement in some schools for additional staff because in some cases care must be on a one to one basis. Some children in these schools have multiple disabilities and, while a ratio of 1: 3 or 1: 5 is normal for this area, it is difficult to make progress within such ratios where such children are involved.

A danger exists for mainstream education at present regarding the pressure to maintain teacher numbers in schools. Some people need to attend special schools for a short period to bring them up to a certain level. Often it is only their self-confidence which needs to be dealt with. This must be handled carefully and should not be pushed in the manner it is being at present.

I welcome the Minister, Deputy Cowen, to the House. He is one Minister we see regularly and we thank him for that. He made an extensive speech and parts of it must be welcomed because he has taken positive action in certain areas and has ensured the provision of additional funding. Nevertheless, the problem is so complex and extensive that a great deal of work remains to be done and large areas remain to be addressed. That is the underlying concern of everyone. People with physical and mental handicaps and disabilities of various types are involved and they need to be attended to. Specific strategies must be adopted for the problems which arise, of which there are many.

Why is there a need for so many advisory, review and implementation committees? Where is the common sense in many of these instances? One can see what is the problem and a common sense strategy should be adopted and implemented. There seems to be a large number of review groups, committees on committees and committees on a review group's proposals. Much of the funding set aside for this area is absorbed in this activity. There was a time when the Minister's predecessors would have taken the modh díreach and tackled a problem head on. Now we need advisers and people to give direction. These are common sense issues which can be addressed by the Minister.

I welcome the establishment of the National Disability Authority and hope its standards and codes of practice will be implemented, as has been agreed, in March 2000. The authority will be responsible for the research and development of standards and codes of practice for disability services and for monitoring and assisting service providers to ensure implementation of those standards and codes of practice. It will play a key role in advising and reporting to the Minister on disability issues. I hope the Department and health boards have sufficient information on these issues already and that they will be able to act upon them before the authority issues its reports and advice. While those reports and advice can be of assistance, surely the Department and the health boards are able to act on their own initiative.

The authority will report on its findings and make recommendations to the Minister. One is always waiting for one group to examine the views of another before any action is taken. The Minister is an intelligent man who knows what the problems are. He does not need to wait for these gurus to come in and give him directions.

They are not gurus.

I do not think the Minister needs their advice. He has sufficient information at his disposal to take action.

They do not trust me to do that.

We will be facing a budget in a few weeks' time. Thousands of people require the provision of new services or the improvement of existing services and that requires funding. The Taoiseach and the Minister for Finance owe the Minister for Health and Children a favour, especially after the nurses' dispute. If I were the Minister, I would ensure they deliver on that.

About 26,000 people were registered on the database set up in 1996 and that figure has now increased to more than 28,000. Given that people's life expectancy will increase in the future, demands will become greater. It is important that a strategy is put in place to address those.

I welcome the Minister's statements on residential care, giving priority to emergency cases, creating new residential places and increasing the overall level of respite care. I welcome the adoption of that strategy and hope the Minister will ensure funding is obtained to meet its objectives. The number of emergency cases throughout the country is quite high.

Carers of disabled people rarely, if ever, get breaks or holidays. I know a woman who took over the responsibility of looking after her disabled sister after her parents died. She has not had a holiday in over four years. There is no facility in place whereby she can get two weeks' holidays. Carers take on huge responsibilities and provide a service at a very low cost. They should be compensated for that and should be provided with the ancillary services which would make their jobs less stressful. Invariably, it is either the sisters or mothers of people with caring requirements who look after them. It is important to recognise that.

I welcome the establishment of committees in the various health board areas and the ongoing reviews in the health boards. I hope those reviews will be completed in the near future and that the Department will act on the information obtained from them.

The personal assistant service is very worthwhile and has been very successful where it has been implemented. However, the number of people who have access to the service is quite low. Local voluntary organisations more or less decide to whom priority will be given for this service. The scheme should be extended throughout the country as it would ease the difficulties faced by many people.

The Minister has done some good work, although he still has a monumental task ahead of him. I am sure he will present his case effectively and secure additional funding for the disabled between now and budget day.

I welcome the Minister who regularly attends the House for these debates. It has been his practice in the past to take away the views expressed in this House and put them to everyone's benefit. I do not think anyone in the House would disagree that there is a need for additional funding. The Minister said so and the Government has acknowledged it in the recently reviewed An Action Programme for the Millennium. The programme clearly outlines the Government's commitment to people with disabilities and the manner in which the Government will address areas of priority need. Those needs include the provision of substantial additional funds to address the shortfalls of which we are aware. Those of us who work in the sector deal with those shortfalls on an ongoing basis as part of budget deficits. The plan also refers to the provision of additional residential and day care facilities. I need not tell anyone who has read the budgetary submissions we have received en route to the Minister for Finance of the need which exists in that regard.

Reading the motion before the House this evening, one might be led to believe that nothing has been done in this area when nothing could be further from the truth. A significant amount of additional funding has been provided, albeit on a gradual basis. We all know that Rome was not built in a day and we cannot expect things to happen overnight.

The Government intends to enhance a range of services at home help level. More importantly, it has committed itself to the development of the disability strategy, underpinned by the National Disability Authority which is currently operating under an interim board. The board membership comprises people with disability, their parents and carers. This is one of the first opportunities afforded to people with disabilities to contribute to the way forward. I congratulate the Government in this regard. The authority will play a major part in the future and is probably already doing so.

We are aware of the responsibilities which have been laid down for the authority in regard to research and development which will allow people with disabilities to set standards for themselves. People with disabilities should be charged with the responsibility of setting their own standards because they know exactly what their requirements are. The Government is also encouraging policies which support advocacy by and on behalf of people with disabilities as well as preparing a disability Bill, the heads of which are currently being drafted. I am delighted people with a disability are now in a position to advocate their own needs.

Instead of condemning the Government we should be encouraging it to continue to do what it is doing and to enhance and improve the situation for people with disabilities. When I was trawling through information today I came across the statistic that out of a total of £42.357 million provided in 1997, 1998 and 1999 for the maintenance and development of physical and sensory disabilities £38.5 million was provided by this Government. We cannot fool ourselves. There will be an ongoing financial need. We will not solve this issue in the lifetime of the Government and we may not solve it during the lifetime of the next one. However, I am convinced that the Minister has fully committed himself to what Members and various agencies have said.

I recently read an article – I think the author might be smiling at me as I speak – which said it was pay back time for people with disabilities. The article went on to say, "People with disabilities and their families whose needs for support and an accessible service have not been addressed while the country worked its way back from the brink of disaster." This country has worked itself from the brink of disaster. We have done so under the good offices of this Government. We now find ourselves in a position where we can address these needs. We could not have contemplated what the Minister is contemplating five or six years ago because the money was not there. Unfortunately, as has always been the case, people who did not shout loud enough were left to one side. That is a fact of life and something we are addressing.

Disability is a twofold problem because we have to deal with mental disability and physical and sensory disability. There has been an assessment of needs for the mentally handicapped which allows for any Government, irrespective of the Government of the day, to provide a decent plan setting out the need for services. Unfortunately, that has not been the case for the physical and sensory disability side. Statistics on the number of people with physical and sensory disability are not available. Averages are based on situations developing in other countries. It is stated that there are between 100,000 and 200,000 people with physical and sensory disability. If we use the average of 150,000 people then 50 per cent of the overall disabled population has a physical and sensory disability, on the basis that 10 per cent of the population is disabled.

The Towards an Independent Future report highlighted the lack of reliable information on the number of people with physical and sensory disability and the service needs. It recommended the establishment of a database on the needs of people with this type of disability. Some time ago the Minister displayed his commitment to this issue when I asked him at short notice to visit an establishment that I am closely associated with. He looked at what we did and at the organisation's aspirations in certain areas. He then made a commitment to set in train a needs assessment, not just for that establishment but for similar establishments as well. I have no doubt that that has already taken place and I thank him for it. We need a database that will identify the needs of people and the way we need to attack the issue of disability, not just from a health financing side but from other aspects as well. People who are mobile in wheelchairs cannot access buildings, get transport to social functions and cannot educate themselves as a consequence of being unable to move around the city. As Senator Norris has said, Leinster House has been made wheelchair friendly for a specific reason. Another example is the City Hall buildings.

The concept of dealing with people with disability, mental and otherwise, on a staged and structured basis must form part of the overall solution. I am confident that the Minister has grasped the nettle in relation to this issue – and I say that not in a party political way. I am equally confident that we can trust him to do what is right. As I work in this area and I am closely associated with it I look forward to arguing the toss with him on many occasions to come.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Before I call the next speaker I remind Members that we have about 20 minutes left. There are four speakers offering and that includes the right of reply by Senator Ryan. I know Members are anxious to speak but I ask them to co-operate.

I wish to share my time with Senator Costello. It is important for people to be enabled to participate in a debate so that they can show their involvement. Therefore, I will speak for three or four minutes and give Senator Costello the rest of my time.

This issue has been discussed many times in this House. I regret the language of motions in Private Members' time. It is not a matter of condemning or praising but of looking at the issues and how well they are being addressed. It is fair for a Government to accept that no matter what they do in this area it will not be enough because people will call for more. That is the nature of being in Government.

I do not join in the condemnation of the Government on this issue but I share the view that not enough has happened, that we need, as a booming economy and a country that is creating wealth, to put more of a share of the wealth into this sector. Sharing is how we should approach this issue. One way we can deal with it is by putting figures on the problem. For instance, many years ago a Government gave a commitment that 3 per cent of all employment in the public sector would be available for the disabled. I cannot recall the hue of that Government but that is irrelevant. That commitment has never been fully discharged and I do not know who should be blamed. The private sector never matched that commitment. The private sector needs to recognise its lack of commitment and its need to be responsible in this area.

As the general secretary of a teachers' union I know that it has always been a struggle to get recognition from Government of every aspect of the issue of physical and mental disability. It has taken 20 years for a Department of State to recognise autism. We have had the same difficulty through the years because there has always been a resistance and some people seem to know better than others. There needs to be more openness. The review group on special education made recommendations long before this Government came into office and there is a Government commitment to implement them. That commitment has still not been met, even though the Minister for Education and Science and his predecessor put forward that agenda. This is a classic example of two Governments giving a commitment but it still has not been discharged. This needs to be discharged and I hope we will see it through.

Unfortunately, I do not have time to develop some major issues. First is the need for independence to stretch into the area of employment and further education. Very often education concludes at the primary sector, even though people may remain there until 17 or 18 years of age. There is no continuation beyond that in terms of further education. There is also the question of access of employment to which I have referred. The number of elderly people who need support is continually increasing due to advances in medicine. There is an increase too in the number of elderly parents who are reaching the end of their lives and are stretched to the point of not being able to sleep because they are wondering what will happen their Down's syndrome child who is a young adult and who has a life expectancy of maybe another 30 years after they are deceased. These are the issues I would like considered and on which there should be consensus on both sides of the House.

I thank Senator O'Toole for sharing his time but I disagree with his disagreement with the motion condemning the Government. We are condemning the Government and we make no bones about it. I am sure Senator O'Toole would be the first do the same if he was championing his sector and he would be very quick to condemn the Government if it was not giving them a fair crack of the Whip.

When the Senator was on the Government side and the Government parties were in Opposition two years ago, I made the same points.

I appreciate Senator O'Toole's sensitivities on the matter.

It is important such issues are debated at this time because this is the critical time to bring them to the attention of the Government. The Estimates, the budget, the National Development Plan and a new social partnership, if it works out, will be introduced shortly. It is important to insist that this vulnerable section of the population is given its fair share when these issues are being decided. There is no reason that we cannot put in place a plan which encompasses the totality of needs in relation to the physically and mentally handicapped. That is how we should look at this matter. We should look at the audit of requirements and the timeframe in which we will deliver on them.

The group protesting outside the Oireachtas includes people in wheelchairs and people who have various disabilities. It is a scandal. The Irish Wheelchair Association requires £32 million for urgently needed services. Some 1,273 people urgently require assistance with dressing, meals and personal care, 1,113 are prisoners in their own homes but for resource centres and 3,500 people are in urgent need of a break – residential respite. These are needs which must be addressed. It behoves us to ensure that we bring them to the Minister's attention and that we compel the Government to address them in a coherent and planned fashion. This is the time to do it because we may not have as good a budgetary situation again or the opportunity to plan to improve the quality of life for people in the most vulnerable section of society.

In the past 12 months we imported 150 buses which were not wheelchair accessible. That is outrageous. The No. 3 bus, which the Minister mentioned, is wheelchair accessible but that is nothing to write home about. Recently, I dealt with a family which could not find a respite place for their son in this country. He will have to go to Northern Ireland or England to find respite care. How will that family visit him? What type of plan is that – sending somebody in need of considerable care away from their family? We do not have the necessary facilities here.

I counted three motorised wheelchairs at the protest outside Leinster House last week, although there were hundreds of people in wheelchairs. The waiting list is so long for an electric or motorised wheelchair that it is not worth going on it. Consider how difficult it is to bring anybody into the House to witness this debate. There are no facilities. We have not even put our own house in order. There is a considerable number of issues to be addressed and the way to do it is in a planned fashion and the time to do it is now.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

With the agreement of the House, we will extend the debate by a couple of minutes.

May I share my time with Senator Dardis?

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I welcome the Minister to the House to discuss this issue. We are well aware of the problems for people with physical and intellectual disabilities. One could not disagree with anything which has been said but the language which is sometimes used by the Opposition parties becomes a little tiresome and hysterical – for example, when they say "total failure to provide the essential services for people with physical and mental disabilities".

We are aware of the problems which exist but if one considers the Minister's foresight and vision for the future one could not accept there has been a total failure. Our amendment recognises there are problems. Nobody has said that we have solved the problems or that we have all the solutions but we recognise a need to further develop services for people with intellectual, physical and sensory disabilities.

I agree with Senator Ryan that it is 20 years since this problem really manifested itself. The problem is that people with physical, sensory and intellectual have fallen behind in that time. During the past two years the Minister has been trying to catch up to deal with this anomaly which has existed for so long. One cannot solve such problems overnight. We should take on board what the Minister said. He has a definite vision for the future. There is a framework in place and the markers are down; it is a matter of moving forward. I have no doubt that given his persuasive ability we will see real inroads being made into this problem.

There is a need for more residential services and more respite care. If an emergency admission to a unit with eight respite beds becomes resident for three or four weeks, three or four families cannot avail of respite care whereas an individual carer provides one week respite perhaps every six months. All one needs is one emergency admission for the system to break down and affect many families. I welcome what the Minister said on investment in residential and day care services. Everyone must recognise the developments which have taken place in the education system, particularly for children with special needs.

The Minister mentioned the special escort provisions for children going to school. Children travelling from rural areas to residential units in Dublin, for example, will also avail of that escort service as well as those attending school on a daily basis. The Minister has shown where he sees us going and, for the first time, we will see a real improvement in the lives of people with disabilities.

I thank Senator Leonard for sharing her time and you, a Leas-Chathaoirligh, for your indulgence on a little extra time. I commend the Minister on what he said and am particularly heartened by his rights based approach to this problem because it is something about which I have argued for the past ten years. These are matters of rights and should not be looked on in any other way. I am also very encouraged by what he had to say about honesty because the days have long since gone when people with disabilities, whether sensory, mental or physical, can be codded about what is going on.

Senator Ryan's argument about the 4 per cent cap on spending is facile. There are two aspects to the request by the Irish Wheelchair Association – one is £16 million to make personal assistants, respite and recovery centres a reality for 4,000 people with significant physical disabilities. That has nothing to do with the 4 per cent figure which he quoted because it is on the capital and not on the current side, and the lid is on the current side. The £16 million to establish the cost of disability payment scheme to give people with physical disability a fair and equitable income to live on is well within the scope of the 4 per cent. It is also patently offensive to talk about the ideology of pain. Nobody inside or outside this House would subscribe to an ideology of pain. I do not and never have done since I became a Member. No Government of the last 20 years has a record of dealing with these problems that bears favourable scrutiny. I know the resources are there now and we look to the Minister and the Government to ensure that those resources are allocated fairly to people who have very little going for them and who need help. I am pleased that the review of An Action Programme for the Millennium, which was published last week, deals with these matters and if I had time I would quote the review extensively.

I have corresponded with the Minister on the domiciliary allowance for children, a matter that has been raised in the Dáil by Deputy Lawlor and others. Children under two years do not qualify for this allowance, but I ask the Minister to look favourably on it, as it would cost £300,000 to £400,000 to address the matter. This anomaly is a huge hardship and we should be rid of it. When the Minister of State, Deputy Fahey, replied to Deputy Lawlor on 21 October he said departmental officials were discussing the possibility of funding being sourced in the Estimates for the year 2000 and I hope that is progressed.

I commend the Minister on his contribution. Access has been dealt with and I have had the Kildare Network of People with Disabilities and the Newbridge Access Group talk to members of Kildare County Council about these issues. Much more needs to be done with building regulations to ensure easy access to buildings and free movement for people with disabilities in our society on the same basis as other citizens, though that is outside the Minister's scope. I was in Wales over the weekend and in one car park with 200 spaces there were 12 to 14 spaces allocated to people with disabilities. One would not find a car park like that in Ireland and if one did one would find able bodied drivers parked there, which is an obscenity in itself.

Mr. Ryan

It is a matter of great regret that the Minister, who I regard as an intelligent man, seemed to feel the need to cast aspersions on both my honesty and motivation.

I did not do that.

Mr. Ryan

He suggested that my only motivation for joining the Labour Party was to seek European election. He took off on a tangent about the Red Flag which had nothing to do with anything and seems to have profoundly misunderstood the issues, so I will explain it to him in very simple English.

The Minister talked about appliances for people with disabilities and said that health boards are still experiencing difficulty in keeping up with the demand for aids and appliances. He went on to say he had no funds at his disposal. A Government with £6 billion in its kitty has no money at its disposal. There is only one reason for that and that is an ideological resistance to spending money.

Wrong Department.

Mr. Ryan

It is a determination not to spend.

Who provided the money last year?

Mr. Ryan

Deputy Cowen is the Minister and should not raise silly questions—

I am only explaining that the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs—

Mr. Ryan

The Minister has spent an excessive amount of time in an excessively long speech dealing out political nonsense about me and my party which serves no purpose.

The Senator's research is poor.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Senator Ryan without interruption.

Mr. Ryan

I repeat that the fundamental issue is what our society does with its resources. We do not need many studies, as the voluntary organisations that serve the handicapped know what they want and have spent ten years telling us. We do not need more studies. They have an immediate need for the money they know they can use well. Let us move through these matters very carefully.

Of course things have been done. How could a Government with the present level of affluence not have done a lot? Is the Minister seriously saying I should congratulate him because, as the Government has a budget surplus between 1 and 3 per cent of gross domestic product, it is spending more money on services for the handicapped than a Government that had a deficit? It appears to be precisely that.

When Senator Ryan was an Independent Senator he criticised the now Leader of the Labour Party for his lack of funding. That is what I am saying.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Minister, please.

Mr. Ryan

When the present Leader of the Labour Party was Minister for Finance I was not an Independent Senator. I was not in the House at all. Let us not get diverted again into silly politics. The Minister has demeaned this debate by his inability to leave silly politics out of it. That is what it was.

Senator Ryan is totally out of order.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Senator Lanigan, will you allow Senator Ryan to conclude?

Mr. Ryan

It was silly politics because the fundamental problem facing the State – this is the best and most typical example – is that we can afford to end these problems but we will not because the Government will not spend the money. The Minister for Finance seems hell bent on taking 2 per cent off the top rate of income tax and that will cost the State between £100 million and £150 million. That is three times what we need to meet the demands of those looking after the handicapped. The Government says it can afford that but it cannot afford providing basic services for people with physical and mental handicaps. That is ideological nonsense. It is driven not by reality or the needs of people but by an ideological belief in reducing taxes whatever happens. The second ideological issue is the determination that 4 per cent should be the cap on public expenditure, though that is a figure out of nowhere with no reason or empirical evidence for it. Why? Because it is nice and low and it causes pain. It will cause pain all across the public services and we will end up with the worst public services in Europe. They will be uncivilised because one cannot provide civilised public services with the level of public expenditure the Government seems determined to sustain into the future.

Mr. Ryan

One need only look at the Estimates at the end of last year's budget for the Government's proposals on public expenditure.

Mr. Ryan

This was a different era.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

I ask the Senator to conclude without interruption.

Mr. Ryan

The Chair is asking me to conclude without interruption. I did not interrupt myself; that would be difficult.

I am sure the Senator is capable of it.

Mr. Ryan

The Government side is badly behaved because it is beginning to realise its obsession with tax is not the public obsession. The public is scandalised by people in wheelchairs on the street.

There will always be people in wheelchairs.

Mr. Ryan

The public is scandalised by people sleeping on the streets and then it is scandalised by a Government which says it cannot make provision for those people but it can cut the top rate of tax because its buddies want that rate cut. That is wrong. It has nothing to do with motivation or honesty. It has to do with political choices and the truth is this Government has faced itself in the direction of making the wrong political choices.

Amendment put.

Bohan, Eddie.Bonner, Enda.Callanan, Peter.Chambers, Frank.Cox, Margaret.Cregan, John

Dardis, John.Farrell, Willie.Finneran, Michael.Fitzgerald, Liam.Fitzgerald, Tom. Gibbons, Jim.

Tá–continued.

Glynn, Camillus.Keogh, Helen.Kett, Tony.Kiely, Daniel.Kiely, Rory.Lanigan, Mick.Leonard, Ann.

Lydon, Don.Moylan, Pat.O'Brien, Francis.Ormonde, Ann.Quill, Máirín.Walsh, Jim.

Níl

Burke, Paddy.Caffrey, Ernie.Coghlan, Paul.Connor, John.Coogan, Fintan.Cosgrave, Liam T.Costello, Joe.Cregan, Denis (Dino).Hayes, Tom.Jackman, Mary.

McDonagh, Jarlath.Manning, Maurice.Norris, David.O'Dowd, Fergus.O'Meara, Kathleen.O'Toole, Joe.Ross, Shane.Ryan, Brendan.Taylor-Quinn, Madeleine.

Tellers: Tá, Senators T. Fitzgerald and Keogh; Níl, Senators Ryan and O'Meara.

Amendment declared carried.

Question put: “That the motion, as amended, be agreed.”

Tá, 25; Níl,19.

Bohan, Eddie.Bonner, Enda.Callanan, Peter.Chambers, Frank.Cox, Margaret.Cregan, John.Dardis, John.Farrell, Willie.Finneran, Michael.Fitzgerald, Liam.Fitzgerald, Tom.Gibbons, Jim.Glynn, Camillus.

Keogh, Helen.Kett, Tony.Kiely, Daniel.Kiely, Rory.Lanigan, Mick.Leonard, Ann.Lydon, Don.Moylan, Pat.O'Brien, Francis.Ormonde, Ann.Quill, Máirín.Walsh, Jim.

Níl

Burke, Paddy.Caffrey, Ernie.Coghlan, Paul.Connor, John.Coogan, Fintan.Cosgrave, Liam T.Costello, Joe.Cregan, Denis (Dino).Hayes, Tom.Jackman, Mary.

McDonagh, Jarlath.Manning, Maurice.Norris, David.O'Dowd, Fergus.O'Meara, Kathleen.O'Toole, Joe.Ross, Shane.Ryan, Brendan.Taylor-Quinn, Madeleine.

Tellers: Tá, Senators T. Fitzgerald and Keogh; Níl, Senators Norris and Ross.
Question declared carried.
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