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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 3 May 2001

Vol. 166 No. 9

Foot and Mouth Disease: Statements.

Tá áthas orm deis a bheith agam labhairt ar an ngalar crúb agus béal sa Teach agus cur síos a dhéanamh ar an gcaoi a bhfuil cúrsaí i láthair na huaire.

I am pleased to address the House today and to provide the latest in a series of updates on developments in relation to foot and mouth disease. In the most recent contribution on the issue to this House on 11 April 2001, the news in this jurisdiction was largely positive, but Senators were apprised on that date of a second suspect case in Northern Ireland near Cookstown, County Tyrone. We are all aware of what has happened in Northern Ireland since then, and it serves as a cautionary backdrop to the pressures now emerging from various quarters to dismantle controls. The second case in Northern Ireland occurred 44 days after the first one in Meigh, County Armagh, and it is clear that the foot and mouth disease virus may still be present on the island of Ireland.

Against this background, I am sure the House agrees that moves to lift restrictions must be made in a measured and cautious manner. Any relaxation of measures must have regard to the risks involved and the best veterinary advice available, as well as to the realities of increasing pressures on farms, business and daily life, which must be addressed in a balanced and responsible way.

Before dealing with the steps taken in recent days to ease restrictions, I will briefly describe the position in Ireland to date. The first and only outbreak of foot and mouth disease in this jurisdiction occurred in Proleek, County Louth, on 22 March. There has not been any case since then, thanks to a number of factors, including the establishment, prior to the Proleek outbreak, of a control zone in County Louth as a result of the pre-existing case in County Armagh and the very stringent control measures put in place by my Department at ports, airports and Border crossings and in regard to other activities. These controls were essential to contain the disease and there was a magnificent response from the general public in complying with them.

After the outbreak at Meigh, County Armagh, we created a control zone which extended beyond the minimum required by Commission rules and established a local disease control centre at Ballymascanlon prior to the Proleek outbreak. Other measures introduced in response to the threat of foot and mouth disease included the following: the banning of imports of various products from the United Kingdom with immediate effect following the initial outbreak in Britain; the mobilising of Army and Garda resources to assist the Department with the enforcement of controls at the Border; the swift introduction of effective control measures at ports, airports and Border crossings; the internal measures adopted to limit animal movements within the State; and restrictions on a variety of other activities such as hill walking, fishing and large gatherings such as international rugby matches, domestic soccer and GAA fixtures. These and the other measures introduced are evidence of the excellent judgment exercised by the Government with the support of responsible people from all sides of the political divide in both Houses of the Oireachtas.

The control measures would not have been effective without everybody's support, including that of sports, social and cultural organisations and ordinary people who displayed a willingness to accept that sacrifices had to be made for the greater good of the nation and whose commitment was exceptional. Critical events in the life of every nation and individual bring out the best or worst in people and I am proud of the Irish people's reaction to the recent crisis. As a nation, we can be proud of the manner in which our people, political structures and public service have dealt with the crisis to date.

Since the outbreak of the first and only case of foot and mouth disease in Proleek, County Louth, on 22 March, a number of critical dates have passed: on 19 April, the Commission decision imposing export restrictions on Ireland expired and on 30 April, the ten kilometre surveillance zone and the three kilometre protection zone established around the outbreak in Proleek were lifted. All this is extremely good news for the people of County Louth and, indeed, the people of Ireland. The outlook is positive and we are beginning to look at the extent to which the country can, in a phased and controlled way, begin to get back to a degree of normality. However, we are not yet out of the woods. For example, the tracing work being done by my Department is continuing and suspected illegally imported animals are still being identified. Some 65 flocks are restricted throughout the country as a precautionary measure. Suspect cases are still being followed up and while results from Pirbright yesterday in respect of suspect animals in Watergrasshill, County Cork, and Dunleer, County Louth, were negative for foot and mouth disease, results are still awaited in respect of north County Leitrim. The situation both in Northern Ireland and Great Britain continues to pose a threat.

The time has come to review controls, but this must be done in a measured and cautious man ner. On 1 May, a number of adjustments to existing controls were announced, based on the considered advice of the expert group, subject to there being no further cases and strict compliance with agreed protocols in each case. These covered the movement, from 2 May, of stock bulls from one holding to another for breeding purposes; the movement, again from 2 May, of cattle between fragments of the same holding under a variety of circumstances and without a distance limitation; and the movement of cattle from feedlots from 9 May. Controls in relation to the movement of sheep remain and it is not yet considered appropriate to allow farm to farm movement of animals generally.

It has also been possible to announce relaxation of restrictions on non-farming activities, mainly with effect from the end of next week. However, the relaxation of controls which I have described will go some way towards alleviating some of the commercial, animal husbandry and welfare pressures on the ground, of which I am acutely aware. They will also be welcomed by the general public in so far as a range of recreational, commercial and other activities can resume. In the meantime, restrictions will be kept under continued review, in conjunction with the expert group, having regard to the prevailing circumstances and the operation in practice of the adjustments announced.

Further adjustments will be made to the controls in place when this is considered appropriate and we will continue to balance the exigencies of daily life against the risk of spreading a disease which might have a long-term detrimental effect on the national economy and the daily lives of ordinary people in a manner which strikes an appropriate balance between both.

It is most important that we do not develop a sense of being "home and dry" and that all sections of the community continue to recognise the threat which still exists. Vigilance and strict adherence to all the relevant precautions will remain the order of the day for some time yet. As we move forward and provided we are confronted with no adverse developments, further measured adjustments to restrictions can be considered in various areas, taking account of expert advice and the overriding priority of ensuring we do not at this stage risk all that we have worked so hard to achieve in the past ten weeks or so.

Everybody in our community who has contributed so much to the success of our efforts to date to prevent the spread of foot and mouth disease in this country is entitled to expect that risks will not be taken at this stage which could squander the sacrifices they have made. This will be our guiding philosophy. Ba mhaith liom buíochas a ghlacadh lena Seanadóirí as ucht an ráiteas seo a iarraidh mar tá sé tábhachtach an tábhar seo a phlé go leanúnach.

I thank the Leader of the House for arranging this debate at short notice and thank the Minister for coming into the House. It is important that we get an update on this crisis which has gripped the nation and affected rural and urban dwellers alike. The crisis has had an adverse effect on the economy and that will continue for some time.

As far as I am aware, this is the first occasion on which the Minister of State, Deputy Ó Cuív, has addressed the issue in the Seanad. Certain questions remain to be answered. Foot and mouth disease has affected Ireland in many ways. One day, we had an emergency situation and the next, there was an easing of restrictions. We must address the difficulty in which the agriculture industry finds itself as it is now perhaps in the most serious position to date. Is the Department aware of what is happening on the ground throughout the country?

While I welcome some of the announcements made in the past week, we have waited too long for them and they are quite unbalanced. They will not have any real effect on what is happening on the farm. A huge number of farmers in southern counties in particular are experiencing extreme hardship regarding the movement and sale of animals. The movement of calves and young store animals has not been allowed. Animal sales and movement usually take place at this time of year, particularly from dairy farms with an over supply of calves, and certain farmers are experiencing huge financial hardship.

I attended a funeral in Cahir in my constituency this week and a man, who has four children, called me aside at the church and told me he had a particular difficulty. He said he had £252 in his possession and he was not due a creamery cheque because he owed money for fertilisers and meal. He could not sell animals, but he had to rear his family and pay his bills. The man was almost in tears. This is only a flavour of what is happening. This side of the House has been most co-operative during this crisis, but there is a time when people should stand up and say "stop".

The Department of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development must take heed of such cases and the financial hardship many farmers are currently experiencing. Nobody in the Department or the Government appears to understand this problem. I am most disappointed that the Minister of State did not address this issue. I am not attempting to score political points but I am pointing out the harsh reality. People in hidden Ireland are experiencing financial disaster. They are slow to admit it, but some people are in a desperate financial situation. These people do not have a voice and it is important that we stand up for them at a time when the economy is doing well and highlight the fact that there are cases of desperate hardship on the land because animals cannot be sold. It does not affect a huge number of people in the agriculture community, but I ask the Minister of State to make some effort in this area and bring it to the attention of the Taoiseach or the Cabinet to ensure something is done for them.

In the context of the amount of feed and grass available on farms, some movement of animals, particularly in southern areas, should be considered. I do not suggest that marts should reopen and there should be widescale movement of animals immediately. However, once-off farm to farm movements should be allowed. Such movements would be easy to monitor. The Department of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development has local offices that could provide permits. The marts and Teagasc could act as agents. Many people are willing to act in that capacity and handle once-off sales from one farm to another. I do not suggest the widespread movement of a small number of animals, but it should be possible for a farmer in Tipperary or Cork to sell 25 calves to another farmer. Arrangements should be put in place to facilitate such once-off movements.

Departmental officials and the monitoring committee have not considered this issue in enough detail. It is essential that such movements are considered because of the financial hardship being experienced by farmers, but also in terms of the current animal husbandry crisis. It is the first week of May when calves and younger stock, which are kept in sheds, should be out eating lush grass in other parts of the country. Grass is growing wild on some farms because the movement of animals is banned. I ask the Minister of State to consider this issue as a matter of urgency. He should bring it to the attention of the monitoring committee because it does not appear to understand the feelings of the people on the ground who are affected, such as the man to whom I referred earlier.

This crisis has affected certain areas, but it will have a bigger drip effect on the economy than most people realise. For example, what markets will be available if the problem abates within a few months? To where will it be possible to sell our beef? To where will our live cattle be sold? Beef prices in the meat factories for this time of year are at their lowest point for many years. Another real crisis is looming in terms of the markets that will be available. What efforts are being made to have markets reopened? What plans have been put in place for when the ban on the free movement of animals is lifted? Has consideration been given to the markets that will be available?

Different Government spokespersons have said that rogue dealers must be rooted out and statements have been issued from certain quarters about how such dealers will be handled and what will be done to them. What has the Department been doing about such people in recent years? The phenomenon of twin calves did not arise in recent weeks. Where have Department officials been in recent years? I would welcome a response from the Minister of State about how many twin calves have been registered. It is a pity Members of the House cannot table questions to the Minister about this matter because an amazing range of issues is involved.

The Department of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development is supposed to be responsible for this area, but the roguery is carried on by the same people all the time. It is time the Department woke up to this problem. When the crisis is over and people look back on what happened, the vulnerability of Department officials will be obvious. They turned a blind eye for years and their actions must be questioned. The Department should ask these officials what they have been doing in recent years.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Ó Cuív, and I congratulate him, the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Rural Development, Deputy Walsh, and the Minister of State, Deputy Davern, on their work and success to date. Senator Hayes said change is much too slow. I can imagine what the Senator would say if there had been a further outbreak and the Minister had lifted restrictions.

I was referring to dealing with the current situation.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Senator Moylan, without interruption.

If the Minister and the Department had not taken the steps they took and there had been a further outbreak, Senators would be singing a different tune this morning and accusing the Minister of serious negligence.

We must express thanks to the many farmers who have been seriously inconvenienced. The public has been most supportive of farming organisations. Sporting bodies were also seriously inconvenienced. Great credit must also go to the Garda, the Army and the departmental officials who have worked long and hard. Many of these people have been away from home on Border duty for many months. It appears that they may be there for some time yet at huge inconvenience to their families. Great credit is due to them.

We appreciate that certain sectors in farming are experiencing huge difficulties. They include dry stock farmers, farmers participating in the rural environment protection scheme and farmers who sold stock last autumn and, although they have grass available, are now unable to buy stock. They are experiencing major problems. Such farmers graze stock during the summer which they then sell because they do not have the facilities to keep stock during the winter. There are also many good dairy farmers who have huge numbers of stock grazing on grass sorely needed for silage for next winter. While I appreciate that changes have been made, we need to examine urgently the movement of stock between farms which are clean and unrestricted. This can be done.

The Minister of State announced a number of changes in the sale of bulls. These will work, despite the fact that the conditions laid down are somewhat stringent and tight. Farmers who want to buy stock bulls want to see the mother or father of the bull, which has been the practice for many years, but are prohibited from doing so by the regulations. I am aware, however, that these conditions will be accepted as a once-off measure. The people concerned were in a dire position where they could neither sell nor buy stock bulls which makes this is a welcome change.

The situation on sheep is not as serious at this time of year. Farmers will be moving lambs to the factory or local abattoir. As the numbers are smaller, this does not cause the same problem. There is a serious problem, however, for farmers with dry stock, store cattle and calves. They are seriously affected.

The changes in the movement of cattle within holdings are welcome. Farmers can now move cattle to adjoining parcels of land which form part of their holdings. I am not happy, however, with one condition. As I read the conditions, once moved, cattle must remain on the parcel of land for 30 days. Most farmers move stock every week to ten days from one parcel of land to another, all of which may be within a half mile of the home holding. Perhaps the Department will examine this condition. Thirty days is too long because, in complying with it, farmers may be forced to buy concentrates to keep stock on the land once all the grass has been eaten.

Rogue or gangster farmers have been responsible for the dumping of stock on the sides of roads and, more recently, the slaughtering of stock which has then been dumped in bogs. They are doing this because departmental officials are closing in on them on the suspicion that they have illegal stock on their land. They take the cruel, but easy option of disposing of the stock on roadsides or slaughtering and dumping it in bogs. This is wrong. Anyone with information on the origins of such stock should immediately contact departmental officials to let them know. If such stock was illegally imported, its origins will not be known. That must be ascertained and such herds must be checked to ensure they are not infected with foot and mouth disease. Those who have dumped this stock are well capable of slaughtering and burying any animal showing signs of the disease. This has serious implications because, by the time the Department gets a grip on it, the disease may well have spread out of control. It is something of which we must be aware and on which we must be up to speed to try to stop it.

People tend to blame cattle dealers, but there are genuine cattle dealers who have made a living for a number of years by buying stock for farmers at different locations throughout the country and moving it. They have done a good job and done it well. Unfortunately, a few have blackened the many. Such rogue dealers have caused major problems.

I am aware of people who applied for a certain number of tags and then applied for an extra set where twins were born and departmental officials checked this out. I am puzzled, therefore, by talk of certain farmers, half of whose stock had twin calves. I know of people who applied for an extra set of tags where twins were born and were questioned as to the reason they needed the extra tags. For this reason, I am puzzled by the rumours about the substantial birth rate not only of twins, but also of triplets in cattle. I am aware that the Minister of State and the Department will ensure the situation is tightened up.

There is a problem with local authorities being unable to conduct percolation tests where planning permission is sought. Such tests have been suspended in a number of counties and the position had not changed up to last week, although it may have changed in the past few days. The Department must examine this matter immediately. Those who are financially hard-pressed and want to sell a site, effectively, cannot do so unless planning permission has been obtained. A percolation test must be conducted to obtain planning permission, but such tests have been suspended. This has caused great financial stress to some of those who wish to sell. There are others who have sold their houses and applied for planning permission to begin construction of their new house, but cannot do so. I would like the Department to move on that matter.

There is still a problem with wildlife. While we can monitor the movement of stock, we do not have the same facility to check the movements of wild deer, foxes and other wildlife. They must be monitored. We must also examine the possibility of placing responsibility on those who own land on which wildlife live.

There is a strong view that some of the factories which bought stock which was imported illegally have got away very lightly. I hope the Department will tighten up this area to ensure that, if a person does not have a place to which to send imported animals, the animals cannot be imported. This area must be examined.

I thank the Minister of State for attending the debate and his work to date. He has done an excellent job. I hope people will bear with the Minister and the Department over the next few weeks to ensure we see the end of foot and mouth disease for a long time.

I wish to share time with Senator Connor.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

That is agreed.

I welcome the Minister of State to the House. I echo the sentiments of a colleague, a casualty consultant in Cork, who says that in Cork they are beginning to speak of foot and mat disease because all three casualty departments there have had people falling over mats, which are redundant in many situations, are not being looked after properly and in many cases have no disinfectant on them. If mats are being left in place merely for symbolic purposes, could we recognise this reality and either remove them or place them properly, before an epidemic of broken wrists and ankles takes over from the epidemic of foot and mouth disease?

I welcome the Minister of State to the House. However, I am not pleased with the content of his speech. The main issue on the foot and mouth agenda at the moment is the market for Irish beef. Three quarters of our beef markets have been closed as a result of foot and mouth disease and only one, the United Kingdom, is open. There is a serious price crisis which could lead to a price collapse unless the Government does something to reopen our markets. The Minister of State's speech does not contain a single syllable relating to this very serious issue. I can only conclude from this that the Department, the Minister and the Government have not yet faced up to the issue. They may be afraid to face up to it.

There is currently on farms a backlog of approximately 650,000 calves and store cattle which would normally have been sold at this time of year. Because all marts have been closed since early last March these animals can not be disposed of. When cattle sales open in the next couple of weeks there will be a huge glut of these animals coming on the market. Many such animals used to go in the live trade as weanlings and store cattle to continental and third countries but all of these markets are closed currently. It is difficult to put a value on these animals but it amounts to hundreds of millions of pounds. This is a serious issue, not only for the farmers involved but also for the national economy.

The destruction scheme, with which I do not agree, is nevertheless performing a useful market purpose by taking many animals for which a commercial market cannot be found. This scheme is due to end on 1 July. I am disappointed that the Minister of State has not been able to tell the House what is proposed after that date. Could the scheme be continued for a further six months? The EU Commissioner, Franz Fischler, was initially seen to be in favour of it but now, because of the huge additional costs which FMD has imposed on the Common Agricultural Policy, he is less enthusiastic about it and it appears he has no wish to extend the scheme for a further six months. The Government must insist in the Council of Ministers that Ireland has special need of this scheme as a market support.

Between 1 July and November at least 750,000 finished animals, steers and some females will be ready for processing through our meat plants. If the markets remain closed prices will fall disastrously. The destruction scheme guarantees a price of 90p to 91p per pound. Currently the market for commercially sold cattle is paying farmers approximately 85p per pound. The price has fallen by 6p per pound in the last number of weeks. The only other available price mechanism is intervention which currently pays 73p per pound for R3 grade cattle, which is one of the highest grades. The intervention price for O4 grade cattle, the majority of Irish grass-fed cattle, is approximately 67p per pound. While the destruction scheme pays approximately 91p per pound, a similar animal would be sold into intervention for 67p per pound, a difference of £150 per head.

The Senator is downgrading our cattle by saying there are mostly O4 grade. Most of our cattle are R4 grade.

Does Senator Moylan dispute the fact that the current intervention price for R3 grade animals is 73p per pound? The Minister is in the best position to agree with me. If he had an official of his Department behind him that official would quickly advise him of the accuracy of the figures I am giving to the House. I am merely giving a warning. When this problem visits us next July we will throw our hands in the air and and say we should have done something sooner to ensure an orderly re-entry to our traditional markets. We have had disease free status for several months. Three quarters of our exports now go beyond the United Kingdom so that only a quarter of our export markets remain open. Our markets on the European continent, North Africa, the Middle East and some in the Far East are closed.

Because of FMD. I know the Minister of State does not come from a farming background and I appreciate there may be shortcomings in his knowledge of these matters. All our markets were closed temporarily when we had foot and mouth disease in the country.

The Middle East markets are closed because of BSE. There is a European ban on Irish beef. I was in Bahrain in the past week. The problem is BSE, not FMD.

I take the Minister's point. The percentage of our beef which goes to the Middle East is very small. Our trade with those countries with which we have a live export trade has been suspended because of foot and mouth disease. I understand the fears of countries which have disease free status about importing from a country where at least one outbreak of foot and mouth disease has occurred.

I am not convinced that initiatives are being taken by the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Rural Development to ensure that these lucrative markets are opened up. I cannot be confident in the Minister of State when his speech does not contain a syllable relating to the beef market. This will have a huge effect, not only on the agricultural economy, which has been so badly battered in recent years, but also on the national economy. The autumn export of beef alone is worth approximately £1.25 billion. If that were to suffer a reduction of 33% to 35% the effect on the national income would be enormous. The IFA made the point early this week that it is not convinced the Government is addressing this issue as urgently as it ought. It is right that these issues should be raised in the House.

The extensification payment and area aid payment, major income supports for farmers, are paid to farmers in the month of May. The Department of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development has given no sign that these payments will be paid, although there was never a time when they were more needed. I appeal to the Minister of State to go back to his superior Minister and say these payments should be released immediately.

I appreciate that many of the staff have been relocated due to the foot and mouth disease. All livestock inspectors have been undertaking Border and port duties as a result of the emergency. Nevertheless, these payments can be triggered by computer because all the data is there, although naturally some checking would have to take place. These payments should be made by the Department now. We should not be waiting and having arguments in this House, or in the Lower House, up to the summer recess about the non-payment of this most important element of EU farm income support which is administered by the Minister's Department. I am talking about the extensification and area aid schemes. As the Minister was not listening to me when I made the point earlier, he might ask his Department that that be done as a first step.

The Senator might ask farmers to complete the census returns to help us pay out. We are awaiting 4,000 census returns.

That is a very cheap shot indeed.

It is a fact.

I am not defending those farmers who were unwise enough not to make census returns and whose payments might be withheld. However, more than 80% of farmers completed the census returns and they are entitled to their payments.

Only 2% did not.

Exactly, 2%. I do not want the fact that a small minority of farmers did not make their livestock census returns last January used as an excuse to withhold payment legally due to the remainder of farmers. That is a very lame excuse. It is not good enough.

It would be unfair to attempt to discredit the good work the Minister, Deputy Walsh, and his Ministers of State, Deputies Davern and Ó Cuív, have done. Their work has been achieved with the assistance of departmental officials from the top to the bottom, in addition to the Garda Síochána and the Army. The whole community, including farmers, has played its part in ensuring that this terrible foot and mouth disease was kept to a minimum here. There was one outbreak in the Cooley Peninsula in County Louth, another in Meigh, County Armagh, and a third in County Tyrone. Tremendous work has been done in keeping this terrible disease out of our country. Prayer also played a part in this because people of all denominations prayed every Sunday to keep the disease to a minimum.

In presenting his document to the House today, the Minister has gone as far as is humanly possible to ease the restrictions according to the announcement that was made last Monday. That is as far as the Minister can go at this time. If no further outbreaks of foot and mouth disease are recorded by the end of June, the country's disease-free status will be restored. It would be unwise for the Minister to ease too much the restrictions on the movement of animals.

I realise that much hardship is being experienced by farmers who are suffering because dry stock and young stock cannot be disposed of. However, if foot and mouth disease had struck this country as it did in Britain, the whole country, including the farming community, would be in a state of shock. As it was, the country was in a state of shock following the three outbreaks that did occur. It is important for all of us to support the continuance of precautionary measures for another month or two, as the Minister thinks fit.

As the Minister suggested, BSE, not foot and mouth disease, is the main problem in having our important foreign markets restored. While three quarters of those markets are currently closed, Britain takes 25% of our exports. We should take one step at a time. The Minister and his officials are trying to keep foot and mouth disease out of this country. I have no doubt that the Minister, the two Ministers of State and the departmental officials will ensure in the months ahead that everything is being done to reopen foreign markets. I hope that will happen sooner rather than later.

Senator Henry referred to the disinfectant mats used to stop the spread of foot and mouth disease. While farmers are playing their part, they should make sure that such mats are disinfected daily, thus carrying out the wishes of the Minister and his Department.

While dairy farmers dispose of their calves at weanling stage, suckler farmers' yearlings or weanlings would normally have gone from the west to the greener pastures of Meath or Dublin by now. That is not possible at the moment but the Minister and the expert group advising him will not keep the restrictions in place one day longer than is necessary. I hope by the end of May, if there are no further outbreaks of foot and mouth disease, the Minister will be in a position to review the restrictions and ease them.

I thank the Minister for his Department's update which I have just skimmed through. I apologise that I was not here to listen to him delivering it. I do not wish to take from the good work that has been done by the Department's officials, to which Senator O'Brien referred. They are continuing to assist in combating the threat of foot and mouth disease which is a scourge. While, thankfully, we had only one outbreak in the South, on 22 March, the situation has been ruinous for the country. Primarily, that is the case for everyone engaged in agriculture but, sadly, also for those engaged in the tourism sector. It has hit my region of Kerry. I wish to re-echo the appeal of my colleagues, Senator Hayes and Senator Connor, for all payments outstanding to farmers to be made immediately, if at all possible. Farmers are in a very difficult position and some are in frightfully sticky situations with banks and bank managers.

I also appeal for some assistance for those who are heavily involved in tourism and who have lost much. They cannot recoup the losses they have suffered. The number of conferences cancelled in my home town of Killarney alone, and in other venues throughout the country, has resulted in massive losses. In a rather glib manner, the Government decided too early that nothing could, should or would be done. That was hasty on the part of the Taoiseach and it led to everyone involved in tourism being treated harshly. He spoke for the Government early on with regard to the matter.

The Minister rightly gave credit for the assistance offered by the Garda and the Army, particularly along the Border. The two Ministers were on the Border some days ago. I deliberately passed through the Border at different points. I commend the work of the Garda, particularly on the N3 between Cavan and Monaghan, and at Beleek and the approach to Ballyshannon. I went in both directions on two different days. The only presence was by our gardaí. They did a great job. Every citizen's boot was examined for dairy and meat products. People had to step from their cars and wipe their feet on a mat. They had to drive over a mat, and furthermore, they had to proceed to another mat where either gardaí or civilians sprayed all four wheels of their vehicles as they returned to this jurisdiction. I accept that these measures were put in place at great cost to the State and the taxpayer. I fully accept the need for the vigilance and precautionary measures in keeping out foot and mouth disease. People have had to make great sacrifices.

The Minister might provide us with a date for the return of our disease-free status. I have heard speculation regarding a date in June. He might also inform us about the position of the Department in this regard.

The Minister may know something about Dúchas, which is under the aegis of the Department of Arts, Heritage, Gaeltacht and the Islands, his former Department. Dúchas has forced the closure of many of our top tourist attractions, two of the most notable being Muckross House and Ross Castle. There is also the issue of boating on the lakes. I cannot understand why we were given an early date for the opening of these places. First I was told it would be April. Then it became 15 May and some days ago it was brought back to the 11 May. This is disgraceful given the strong indications we received earlier that these attractions would be opened. It was disappointing and perplexing, given the fantastic response we had from locals and visitors alike, who have co-operated fully with the various precautionary measures. I am not saying that any of these measures should be relaxed. We must keep them in place. Where trading is concerned, we have received the all-clear. Normal trading has resumed around the country. However, these top attractions are being forced to remain closed.

I accept fully the need to protect the native red deer herd, but the grounds around Muckross House and Ross Castle have been fenced off to prevent all animals gaining access, including deer. No such measures have been put in place to fence off other lands, whether privately or publicly owned. The main Killarney-Kenmare road runs right through Killarney National Park. As my colleague, Deputy Healy-Rae, has stated in the Dáil on a few occasions, deer are constantly on that road. It is a national secondary road. I think he said that the deer have the road haunted. When the quarantine period, namely 28 days from the date of completion of fencing, has elapsed, visitors will be able to gain access again to the grounds of Muckross House and Ross Castle.

While these visitors are prevented from coming into contact with animals, including deer, in the grounds of these sites, there are no measures in place to prevent them from coming into contact with animals if they choose to visit other lands that border the national park. Such lands include golf courses, which have been open for about a month, other privately owned land and lay-bys off the Killarney-Kenmare road where people pull up. Also, people are visiting Ross Castle and it is very hard to stop them. I cannot not see why boating cannot be allowed on the lakes from the pier at Ross Castle.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Does the Senator wish to complete the Ring of Kerry?

I will come back to the inner ring. I ask the Minister what purpose the newly erected fencing serves and why we have to wait even longer to grant access to locals and visitors alike. It is a bit of a whitewash. It is wasteful expenditure because the Killarney-Kenmare road and the other facilities were not closed. Perhaps we had no control over them. I pointed this out to the Dúchas officials, but dealing with them is very difficult as they are faceless bureaucrats.

Nice people.

When you can meet them perhaps. They are like character actors on a stage. It is very hard to contact them.

That is not fair.

I asked the Minister's colleague and cousin, the Cabinet Minister, if she could have them account for their actions in public. I am still waiting. Money has been wasted. I appeal to the Minister not to wait until the 11 May as it is totally unnecessary. Of course the precautions must remain in place, mats and spraying of disinfectant etc., because Muckross House is very much on the perimeter of the park. I am not advocating that access be granted to the wilder regions of the park, just Muckross House and Ross Castle, where people are already returning.

I will not delay the House because we have discussed this matter before. It is welcome and opportune that the Minister has come to the House to give a report. We must monitor the situation on a regular basis. As is indicated in the Minister's speech, we are entitled to cautiously congratulate the Government and the Department officials. It looks as if foot and mouth disease has been contained successfully so far. We have been extremely fortunate.

There is an element of luck involved, but also an element of good management on the part of the Government. This falls into two parts. Firstly, there is the management of the agricultural sector itself. I think the radical measures the Government has taken have proved effective, in direct contrast to the lackadaisical attitude first adopted, to our dismay, on the neighbouring island. The benefits of the cautionary attitude of the Government have been absolutely clear. This is a good day as far as I am concerned. I am extremely relieved.

I have been abroad for a few weeks and every time I was in contact with Ireland the first question I asked referred to foot and mouth disease. We were all on tenter hooks for the last few weeks in case there would be another outbreak. The Minister is correct in being cautious and stated that there is a possibility the foot and mouth virus is still here. We should not relax because it would be a tragedy at this late stage if, as a result of lowering our defences, we permitted an outbreak to occur. We are at the point in the curve of this disease where people, noting there has not been an outbreak, will begin to exert pressure on Government to relax restrictions. It is very difficult, especially for those in the tourism industry, but it would be a colossal disaster if, for the sake of a few weeks, we relaxed and permitted the disease to break out again.

There are two elements to this issue, the first of which is the management of the agricultural aspect of the crisis. Earlier Prime Minister Blair held his first press conference directed solely at this issue and indicated that the phenomenon of enormous pyres of burning animal corpses will cease in Britain. That gives some cause for optimism.

The second aspect is the perception of Ireland abroad. I was in America where the disease was a widespread topic of conversation with those whom we met socially at political meetings, cultural events and so on. The first question they asked was about foot and mouth disease. They seemed to think that the whole of what they still see as the British Isles was enmeshed in it as well as almost all of Europe. They are confused about what is the disease.

Most Americans make very little distinction between BSE and FMD and are also under the impression, because of the cross-over in their perceptions of these diseases, that FMD is easily transmitted to humans. It is a mistake to state that a variation of the disease can never be contracted by humans because it can be in a small number of cases, but it is not correct that tourists are in danger of catching a serious illness because of the presence of a foot and mouth virus.

We have been well served by our representatives abroad. While I was in Texas, the President, Mary McAleese, was present with her husband. She caught the imagination of the people and went down extremely well. She took questions on the hoof and dealt with them in a wonderfully straightforward way. Anybody who listened to her speaking was extremely impressed by her clarity, honesty, good humour and capacity to deal with a brief without referring all the time to notes and officials. She put the position regarding FMD squarely before the people in Houston. She should be congratulated on doing this important job extremely well, as did the Minister for Tourism, Sport and Recreation, Deputy McDaid, and the Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs, Deputy O'Donnell, in New York.

When this affair is over, we should take a period for reflection and examine what are the consequences. At the beginning of the debate I asked whether there was a crisis plan in readiness for an outbreak such as this. I got the feeling that there was not or, if there was, it was so out of date it had to be dusted down and was virtually useless. There ought to be a constant review in order that, just as there are emergency and disaster plans for Dublin city and other major population centres, there will also be a constantly reviewed animal disease plan in order that if another situation such as this arises, we will be able to counter it as effectively as we have done this one.

The ethos of agriculture should also be examined. The outbreak has provided us with an excellent opportunity to review our attitude towards farming. Ireland has wonderful natural resources and products, but when we re-achieve our white list status, we should decide to commit resources to the development of organic farming and green methods. It should be ensured that we brand identify Irish meat and dairy products and so on in such a way that consumers in our export markets are convinced that Ireland has a healthy environment, which will provide high grade products of a particular excellence. This can be done if the opportunity is taken.

When in America I also visited Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where the Amish live. The positive benefits of a green attitude were absolutely clear. It was lovely to see young men up on their machinery leading teams of four horses. I do not suggest that we go back to ploughing by horse, but some lessons can be learned from them. They have never suffered a drought or crop failure and almost never have had a disease outbreak among their animals because they respect their animals, the rhythms of nature and the relationship between animals and the landscape. Even from the train it was possible to detect the happy expressions on the cows and sheep. There was a wonderfully healthy feeling about the place. In a perhaps less 19th century way, we in Ireland could adopt a similar attitude and should be prepared to examine the possibility of investing substantially in farming methods that will be good for animals and the agriculture industry and provide high quality, high priced agricultural products.

It is appropriate that the most severe penalties should be exacted against those who have placed the livelihoods of many in Ireland in jeopardy by their irresponsible attitude in terms of smuggling and other associated practices.

The St. Patrick's Day celebrations have been moved to 18 May, which is welcome. A number of Americans who had postponed their holidays were asking about the celebrations and it might well be useful for the responsible Department to sponsor an advertising campaign in America making clear precisely what is this date because many bookings were postponed, not cancelled. There is an opportunity, once it is made clear that the disease has been virtually eliminated here, to get back a large section of the tourism market lost during the earlier part of the year.

I will not delay the House as we have discussed this matter previously, but this is a useful debate and I thank the Minister of State for coming to the House to give us an opportunity to review the ongoing position regarding the foot and mouth crisis. It is good to report that the measures taken to control the spread of the outbreak in the North have been 99% successful, with the exception of the case in County Louth. We have a great deal to be thankful for in that regard.

It would not be correct if congratulations on efforts so far were not recorded by this side of the House and I am glad to do so because following a slightly slow start, efforts were mobilised effectively and the response of the public, without whom success could not have been achieved, has been and continues to be magnificent and has played no small part in ensuring we have successfully combated the potentially dire consequences of a wider outbreak of the disease.

When the history books are written I hope it will be said that the model which Ireland adopted was correct, particularly in comparison to our neighbours across the water considering there is still a major threat to Ireland from the continued outbreaks in Great Britain. We must remain on our guard and be vigilant. It is wonderful that the Minister has announced the lifting of some agricultural and non-agricultural restrictions. Those of us who are hill walkers very much look forward to the opportunity to get out, particularly now that the weather has picked up. I was hoping the Minister would lift the restrictions prior to the upcoming bank holiday weekend, but he has not been able to do so. We certainly look forward to a return to the highways and byways, and hills, after the enforced lack of exercise but it has been a small price to pay to combat successfully the spread of the virus.

The threat remains and in that regard I would like to make a few remarks, as others have done, about the emergence during this crisis of the extent of illegal activity and smuggling of animals. It never ceases to amaze me – I am sure the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Rural Development agrees with me – when I hear people say that we all know who is responsible. One could go down any street in Nenagh, Senator Moylan could do so in Birr or Banagher, Senator Hayes could do the same in south Tipperary, and people would say that we all know who these gangsters, cowboys and saboteurs are, but if that is true why have we tolerated them for so long and why are we not moving against them? In my county, as the Minister will be aware, measures are being taken and much activity is happening on the ground,which I applaud.

With this crisis comes an opportunity, once and for all, to deal with the gangsters and the cowboys, and we do ourselves no favours if we do not take it. I put it to the Minister that we have tolerated this situation for far too long and the public will expect and demand that the Department use the powers that we in the House have given it to root out the gangsters and the cowboys and restore the good image of agriculture. As long as we tolerate these people and maintain the attitude that we know who they are but there it ends we will not be able to restore that good image. The pity is, as in any profession, that a small number has the capability to damage the reputation of the whole industry. Tipperary's reputation has been very badly damaged in recent weeks and there has been shame and horror in listening to reports on national radio of animals, calves and fully grown, wandering the roads of the county, their tags having been removed or not there in the first place. It is horrendous to hear of that and I know from my friends and relations around the country how badly the reputation of the county has been damaged by such reports.

I urge the Minister and the Department to take the opportunity to root out illegal activity which the public will no longer tolerate, considering the risk it puts everybody at, though of course the fact of its being illegal means that it should not be tolerated in the first place, regardless of whether there is a risk attached.

Difficulties are being experienced in a number of sectors such as tourism and some farming, depending on the type of agriculture engaged in, as outlined by other speakers – there is no point in my repeating them. We must be cognisant of that. I would like the Minister to set out, particularly in relation to what Senator Norris says about America, how effective the counter campaign has been in our major markets. There is an impression that both Britain and Ireland are blackened by this terrible pestilence and there is almost a pall of smoke hanging over the two islands. The Minister for Tourism, Sport and Recreation, Deputy McDaid, has started various campaigns and I would like to know how effective they have been. We will see some measure of it on 18 May with the rescheduled St. Patrick's Day celebrations, but I am seriously concerned that the negative message which went out over a short period of time at the beginning will be very difficult to erase.

The visuals of pyres of burning animals from Britain were very potent indeed and will be extremely difficult to counter. We must direct our energies at that issue while also focusing them on ensuring that our agriculture industry recovers from this crisis. Time will tell and this autumn will be critical in finding out just how damaging this crisis has been to our agricultural communities. I hope this is the last time we discuss this issue in that we have reached a stage where we are nearly over the crisis and can soon close what has been a sad chapter for these islands.

Sitting suspended at 12.40 p.m. and resumed at 2 p.m.
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