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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 11 Jan 2012

Vol. 212 No. 9

Report of Advisory Group on Small Business: Statements (Resumed)

As we embark on another year, it is appropriate to take stock. Before addressing the report of the advisory group for small business, I will comment briefly on the macroeconomic position. As everyone is aware, the domestic economy is in a poor state and employment continues to decline. Coupled with the latest international forecasts showing downgraded growth prospects in key export markets, this must give all of us, especially the Government, cause for great concern. Our trade with global markets has been our saving grace. Without it, the economic decline would have developed into a sustained economic depression with reductions in growth of more than 10% per annum. The weaker economic conditions in Europe will result in Irish export growth falling short of previous expectations. A report from National Irish Bank, for example, suggests exports will grow by only 4.5% this year, down from an earlier estimate of 5.5%. It is important to keep in mind the macroeconomic position to ensure we are able to see the real problems facing the country in their proper context. As the international economy continues to show weak growth, we cannot be confident the domestic economy will recover in the short term.

The advisory group report identifies 12 areas for action. I will not discuss each of them in the limited time available but will focus on two issues, namely, access to finance and labour market costs and flexibility. We constantly hear that access to finance and credit lies at the heart of the difficulties facing businesses. We focused extensively on the measures the previous Government took to restructure and recapitalise the banking system to ensure it provides for substantial new lending in the economy. However, we have not yet seen new finance reach the businesses that desperately need it. Only today, I spoke to a gentleman in the restaurant business who has reached the point where his business is turning a small profit but is crippled by debt. Having initially approved loans to allow him to refurbish his premises and get going, his bank later pulled back. The restaurant owner, who had gone in hope in the meantime, now finds himself with heavy debt and experiencing great difficulty accessing credit, despite being in a position to make a go of his business.

Before Christmas I discussed with the Minister cases where Revenue was putting the squeeze on companies. Even where banks were willing to provide a lending facility or lifeline for a couple of years, Revenue was foreclosing, as it were, on the companies in question. I wonder about the short-term thinking displayed by the banks and, on occasion, the Revenue Commissioners.

The Government's proposals under the jobs initiative include a commitment to ensure the Financial Regulator will rigorously monitor banks' activities to ensure credit is available to borrowers who meet reasonable credit standard requirements. Does the Minister of State have figures on the credit that has been made available to small and medium-sized businesses. Unless we tackle the dire need for access to finance by such businesses, we will be in trouble. I am aware of the work of the Credit Review Office which may challenge decisions by banks to refuse loans to businesses. However, on 13 October last, the head of banking supervision at the Department of Finance stated that the Credit Review Office was the most under-utilised part of the financial system open to businesses. How does the Government propose to increase uptake of this facility among small businesses?

On the issue of labour costs and flexibility, while it may be unpopular to say this, we should not view the work being done in the area of unemployment regulation orders and registered employment agreements as the be all and end all. I have no doubt this work will produce reductions in labour costs in the construction sector and some of the more labour intensive lower wage sectors. It would be naive to believe, however, that it is only labour costs which hold back job creation in retail, hospitality and construction. Market structure, a lack of consumer demand, the availability of credit and, above all, the devastated personal incomes of people in employment whose taxes have increased and earnings declined are the main drivers of the problem of the lack of job creation in the sectors to which I referred. While some people will regard the review of wage setting mechanisms as a priority, I am not sure it should be the highest priority. We should at least be cautious about viewing labour protections as a barrier to growth. An increasing number of voices in certain business and media sectors portray these crises as an opportunity to strip away labour market protections for the sake of flexibility, etc. While I realise the importance of being realistic and reasonable and recognise that a balance needs to be struck, I am also concerned that the current trend may be misused. For this reason, I urge the Government, in its zeal for reform, to avoid punishing workers unduly by removing hard-earned protections.

I welcome the Minister of State. The topic under consideration is the most important issue facing this country and one which the Government is taking seriously. The jobs initiative is welcome but we need new jobs on the ground. I am a parent of three children, two of whom have set up their own small businesses. Our dinner conversation on Christmas Day was dominated by the directors of small businesses discussing the various things that could, could not or should not be done. One of the issues discussed was the high potential start ups and the criteria used for defining same. Perhaps a second leg could be added to the criteria given that it is ten employees with a turnover of €1 million within three years. There are many high potential start ups that would not have ten employees straight away but may have six, seven or eight. That is an issue that would help the piggy in the middle bit of eight and nine.

Many companies of high potential are seven or eight years old but because the regulation stipulates those less than six years old many are debarred from applying to be a potential start up. Much has been said on the rates. However, the review of the rates around the country is progressing at a snail's pace. That it takes so long to do a rateable valuation is crazy. South Dublin was the first to be reviewed after many years but it took a long time.

I received an e-mail today from a person in Tallaght which reads:

I was in the process of starting a crèche in Tallaght. I had a lot of the groundwork done and was just waiting to work out a rental agreement. That was until today. When I rang the council, the small business rate I would have to pay would be €8,083 per year which I would be required to pay the minute I open the doors, either paying this in one lump sum or monthly instalments of €673. I asked the council if we could do a different type of payment plan as it is a brand new business or a rate. I want to pay my rates but not until I am six months into the business and then have a rate review — I was firmly told "No".

I find this very disheartening as my absence from my current employment would have created a job. My business partner would have been signing off the social welfare and we anticipated employing at least two other staff from the social welfare who are qualified in child care by December of this year. That is employment for four people that this business would have created. However, due to those rates, those four new positions which could have been created will not be. Is there anything you can do on this matter? I would greatly appreciate it.

I will forward that e-mail to the Minister of State.

Please send me a copy.

It is apt that we are discussing this issue but that is only one business out of 1,000 which are in that position. One of the speakers recommended a holiday from rates. I do not agree with that. Businesses could be displaced by not requiring new business to pay up for six months. However, there should be an arrangement whereby when a business is three months on the road and has made a few bob it would be pointed out that it owes a certain amount of money. If we are serious about this, four jobs could be created in Tallaght. That will not happen if something is not done.

In regard to access to public procurement for small businesses will the Minister of State make a statement on the changes made? Given that public procurement businesses are put out in huge tranches it is much easier for small business to access these if they are cut down. While there was an initiative to enable small businesses to export and do business in the BRIC countries I did not see anything about that in the Minister of State's contribution. Many small businesses are interested in the BRIC countries because they are the up and coming countries. A flyer should go out to all small businesses on the initiative for the BRIC countries.

Many have spoken about the interpretation of EU legislation. We always hear whether it is anecdotal or real. If one were to sell fresh eggs, Senator Mary Ann O'Brien referred to the 70 licences required. Is it that we in Ireland are not noted for implementing the laws and doing it in accordance with the law for the EU? It is clear that certain legislation should have been transposed into Irish law a long time ago. When it comes to selling food in Ireland we have a difficulty, yet the French can sell their cheese, wine and eggs in a different way. I suggest that an analysis and an audit be conducted on the food commodities provided by small producers here and how that differs from the position in France. The differences have been given as one of the reasons small businesses cannot sell their produce.

We have had to adjourn the debate because of the amount of interest, rightly so. One day for the debate would not be sufficient. Everyone who has spoken has added much to the debate. As another Senator noted, the Minister of State has taken copious notes. If not this evening, perhaps he would come back with a follow-up.

On behalf of the Sinn Féin Party, I welcome the report of the special advisory group on small business. In the midst of the current economic crisis anything that has the potential to create jobs must be welcomed. This is likely to be a tough month and a tough year for business. On 16 December, the CEO of Retail Excellence Ireland, in an interview on Newstalk said that a number of international retailers had privately told him they will be pulling out of Ireland in early 2012. He also said that a number of smaller retailers were insolvent and would go bust. In this month, the recession will begin to hit business hard and the effects of the budget will trickle down into the real economy.

In reality, the report, following the budget, makes for frustrating reading for some of the authors. It is called the Voice of Small Business but is there a danger that this voice will fall on deaf ears? On the first page of the executive summary, in black and white, under Big Ticket Items, the primary demands and recommendations of the review group, as mentioned already, are listed as lending facilities and access to finance. It states that the fact remains that access to credit is the single biggest issue facing small firms today.

Can the Government do anything about access to credit? Of course it can. The Government owns the banks and has the power and influence to direct them to increase access to credit. The Minister of State said:

In addition, the Government is committed to introducing a temporary partial credit guarantee scheme and a separate micro-enterprise loan fund to supplement normal bank lending and to provide additional lending where specific measures are warranted.

When will this happen and what is the timeframe for the implementation of same? I recall the phrase —"nearly never bulled a cow". Businesses cannot function now on promises of availability of credit in the future. They need access to credit now and the initiatives to be implemented as soon as possible. Page 7 of the report refers to a targeted reduction in VAT in July and encourages firms to pass on the reductions. However, such a reduction has been wiped out by the 2% increase in VAT announced in the budget. This could exasperate the unnatural fluctuations in prices in the Border region. We should seek to bring the VAT rate closer to that in the North and harmonise the tax rates rather than the opposite.

Many businesses in the State, particularly in Dublin, are crippled with extortionate rates. It is incredible that the Government has effectively ruled out doing anything to adjust upward only rent reviews.

It cannot do it; it is unconstitutional.

This would have been of significant assistance. It is in the programme for Government, yet the Government has ruled it out. It has said that legal opinion on the issue is that it cannot be done. However, many in the legal profession dispute this, correctly so. We need solution-based governance and more "is féidir linn" in the current climate especially in respect of small businesses.

Opportunities to create jobs have been passed up given the slashing of the capital expenditure programmes. This has had huge consequences for small businesses whereas it might have been the basis for creating employment. The role of broadband is a perfect example. As the report notes, competitively priced and high quality broadband are essential in today's business world. However, rather than invest in broadband in a serious way we are cutting back the broadband expansion programme. Investment in this area would have created employment and would have been an investment in business infrastructure making Ireland a more attractive place in which to invest.

Similarly, the report deals with local authority structures at length. Local government has a responsibility to progress economic development. Section 4 refers to seeking measures to reduce local authorities' dependency on commercial rates, allowing in the space to reduce the rates, but what has happened? There was an astonishing €190 million cut in local authority funding in the budget. That is 84%.

We keep hearing the priority is jobs but for many people, the priority seems to be austerity. Austerity is not the only way and we should not just rely on that. We cannot look at the supply side only when talking about business, whether medium or large. Many Members are at the coalface of business but I am a consumer and know that if my income is slashed, I will not spend it in the local economy and will save my pennies for the rainy day when I cannot pay a bill or I must pay a mortgage, if I have one.

We must consider the demand side much more. Since demand for many goods has dropped considerably, we must reintroduce it into our considerations. The more money we take out of people's pockets, the less money they have to spend on goods and services. As Senator van Turnhout said, we need to see the Minister of State and the Government take on this report now. As the reality is that everyday small businesses close, time is of the essence.

I thank the Leas-Chathaoirleach for the opportunity to speak. As someone in the small business sector, I would like to make a contribution. When the Minister of State came to Letterkenny Chamber of Commerce in Donegal last year, he flagged the issue of small business, which is very important. Many of the businesses in Letterkenny had a better than expected Christmas because of the fluctuation in the sterling exchange rate but that could have been different if sterling had been weaker. The economy in Donegal is very dependent on fluctuations in sterling. However, it was welcome that Letterkenny and Donegal got business from the North and that people from Donegal did not travel to the North as much. However, we cannot sustain that. Next Christmas the situation could be different and there could be traffic jams on Lifford bridge with people travelling to the North rather than in the other direction.

I welcome the report. Those operating in the domestic economy are suffering no matter what business they are in, whether it is retail or services. Anything that can be done to help them, whether accessing finance or otherwise, would be welcome. I agree that rent reviews should have been addressed. If it is a constitutional issue, perhaps someone will take a case, although I do not believe we can wait for that to happen. I heard on radio today that the cost of commercial units has dropped by perhaps 90%, which is an indictment on the level of building. However, it opens up opportunities for small businesses to come into the market. They may not have to pay rent for one or two years out of five years which could not have happened five years ago because rents were so high. Perhaps there are opportunities for fledgling businesses to take off.

The big issue is still accessing finance. That is the problem. No matter how good one's ideas are, one cannot do anything unless one has money behind one. The banks must provide finance with whatever support the Government can provide.

I am fearful for many small businesses unless the domestic economy kicks in. Businesses in County Donegal which are exporting are doing quite well and I am sure that is replicated throughout the country. However, I hope that can feed back into the domestic economy, that people start to spend again and that people can survive the humps they are hitting. I would welcome any help.

I welcome the Minister of State's hands-on approach to this issue. With his background, he is aware of the issues. All parties in the Seanad have the same aim to get local businesses up and running. It is not a political issue and contributions from all Senators are welcome.

Senator Mark MacSharry is next.

We will report progress.

Four other speakers have indicated a wish to speak but we will conclude.

We will continue next week. I thank the Minister of State for agreeing to attend again next week.

When is it proposed to sit again?

Ar 10.30 maidin amárach.

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