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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 8 May 2013

Vol. 223 No. 2

Address to Seanad Éireann by Commissioner Máire Geoghegan-Quinn

On my behalf and that of my fellow Senators I welcome EU Commissioner Máire Geoghegan-Quinn. Our distinguished guest today is no stranger to Leinster House, having served as a Deputy for Galway West from 1975 until 1997. She was the first woman Cabinet Minister since the foundation of the State and served in a number of ministries during her Dáil career, including as Minister for Justice when she introduced substantial law reform and legislation. She was also a member of the Irish Government team which negotiated the joint declaration of December 1993 by the British and Irish Governments on peace and reconciliation in Ireland.

On top of this impressive political career, at various times she has worked as a part-time business consultant, non-executive director of a number of companies, teacher, newspaper columnist and television presenter. She is also a former member of the governing authority of the National University of Ireland Galway and an author. In 1999, she was appointed to the European Court of Auditors and was retained for a second term in 2006. She is before us today as Ireland's EU Commissioner with responsibility for research, innovation and science, a position she has held since February 2010. If I am not mistaken this marked another first for Ms Geoghegan-Quinn as she was Ireland's first woman EU Commissioner. The Commissioner with responsibility for research, innovation and science is a key portfolio for the European Union. Apple founder Steve Jobs once said that innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.

If we in Ireland and in the EU want to be leaders in the world of business, enterprise, science, education, communications, agrifood or health, we must innovate as well as follow. If we want the EU and Ireland to emerge from our current economic difficulties and address the challenges facing us, we will have to innovate, invest in research and development and promote high-tech enterprise across a wide variety of areas - from ICT to energy to food – to create sustainable jobs. As EU Commissioner, Ms Geoghegan-Quinn plays an important role in helping to stimulate economic growth across Europe in the drive to create jobs and stimulate research, development and innovation.

This newly elected Seanad is determined to modernise its procedures and actively engage with the civic society. To begin this process we have amended Standing Orders to allow persons and representatives of public and civic life to address Seanad Éireann. I thank Commissioner Geoghegan-Quinn for agreeing to appear and I welcome her to the House. I look forward to her presentation and a positive and enlightening discussion.

Ms Máire Geoghegan-Quinn

A Chathaoirligh agus a Sheanadóirí, chaith mise dhá bhliain agus fiche ag teacht isteach agus amach as an Teach seo agus ag plé le díospóireachtaí ar go leor gnéithe éagsúla do pholasaithe Rialtas. Bhain mé an-taitneamh agus an-sult as sin agus d'fhoghlaim mé go leor. Tá mé fíor bhródúil a bheith ar ais anseo inniu le díospóireacht a bheith againn, díospóireacht a bhfuil súil agam a bheidh breá agus bríomhar, faoi chúrsaí Eorpacha.

I am delighted to have the opportunity to be present today. Tomorrow will be two years to the day since I had the great privilege of addressing the Oireachtas during a special Europe Day sitting. On that occasion I talked about where Europe might be in 2020 and I focused on Ireland's role in Europe, the many benefits of Ireland's membership of the European Union and the opportunities for Ireland in my own portfolio of research, innovation and science.

Two years later, the calendar has conspired to offer us two clear milestones on the journey that Ireland and the European Union are taking together. Ireland currently holds the Presidency of the EU Council of Ministers for the seventh time. This has been a successful Presidency, as has been the case on previous occasions. This year also marks the 40th anniversary of the country's accession to the European Economic Community. I can think of no better circumstances for our discussion.

The European Commission attaches huge importance to maintaining strong and close relations with national parliaments in Europe. I regularly meet committee delegations from different national parliaments, including the Oireachtas, to discuss political issues of mutual importance. Today presents another opportunity to have an open and frank exchange of views on European matters of importance to Ireland. I want to talk about the role that European research, innovation and science policies play in helping to support the development of the Irish economy. They are the best tools and resources at our disposal to create the growth and jobs that are the priority of the Irish Presidency and of all the European Union's decision makers.

Forty years of EU membership have transformed Ireland's economy. In 1973, we exported mainly agricultural products; now we export electronics, pharmaceuticals and services. When Ireland joined, its per capita GDP was two thirds of the EU average; it is now one quarter above the average. European programmes have played their part in that transformation. Ireland is a net beneficiary from structural, regional, cohesion and CAP funding. Since 1993, the European Social Fund has invested almost €4 billion in training and employment but that is only part of the story.

Since 2007 alone, Irish universities, research organisations, companies and SMEs have received €484 million from the Seventh Framework Programme for Research, FP7, and they are on course to draw down a total of more than €600 million by the time the programme finishes at the end of this year. I have no doubt that the Seanadóirí representing the National University of Ireland and Trinity College Dublin, TCD, can testify to the benefits of participating in the research framework programmes but I would like to outline a number of specific examples. Vornia Limited is a start-up medical device company, which was spun out from a NUI Galway laboratory that conducted research on biomaterials. The company is participating in a €1.2 million project to develop novel cardiovascular stents for people living with heart conditions. With the support of EU funding, UCD is examining how new robotic techniques can solve problems in our daily lives. Researchers at TCD are working to revolutionise high speed internet access while DCU is a leader in the field of diabetes research.

A grant from FP7's Marie Skodowska-Curie Actions is helping fund research at CRANN, the Centre for Research on Adaptive Nanostructures and Nano-devices, in TCD into the creation of atom-thin nano sheets. These have many potential applications, including energy storage for electric cars or generating electricity from waste heat in power plants. TCD is also one of the biggest partners in the N4C project funded by FP7. It has been established to deploy and test new and alternative networking technologies for areas of Europe that have poor ICT connections. Ireland is at the heart of Europe's digital and information and communication technology industries. According to the industry association, ICT Ireland, nine of the top ten global companies maintain a presence in Ireland. This is testimony to how well Ireland has captured foreign direct investment in the ICT and other sectors, but there is also a robust and successful home grown ICT sector, built on the research base of Irish universities, companies and research institutes.

Research and development and innovation are essential to maintain this strength in ICT and grow even further but for this small country, it is not easy to achieve the necessary critical mass in research. Collaborating in EU funded research and innovation can help plug gaps in knowledge, resources or infrastructure. The inflow of European investment has helped Ireland. The country has shown a remarkable capacity to take full advantage of these investments and of European level co-operation. According to the European Commission's annual Innovation Scoreboard, Ireland leads the 27 member states in profiting from the economic effects of innovation, thanks to its performance in employment in knowledge intensive activities, the contribution of medium and high-tech product exports to the trade balance, knowledge intensive services exports and licence and patent revenues from abroad.

Ireland demonstrates a remarkable talent for innovation but there is still much more that we can do at European level to remove barriers to boost innovation. That is the goal of the Innovation Union flagship initiative, which I launched at the end of 2010. Innovation Union aims to improve the basic conditions that will let companies grow and entrepreneurs flourish. An environment in which business, large and small, can prosper is essential to achieving the smart, sustainable and inclusive growth that Europe desperately needs. We are concentrating on establishing the conditions that will smooth the path from the laboratory to the market and lead to new products and services that people around the world want to buy. We are making excellent progress on the 34 different commitments contained in Innovation Union. Our innovators and businesses needed a more affordable and less unwieldy, less costly patent system and, therefore, we established the unitary patent. SMEs and start-ups needed better access to finance, so we have created the European passport venture capital fund to ease the availability of funding opportunities across Europe. To give innovative companies a chance and get better value from public budgets, we have modernised public procurement rules to encourage the take-up of innovative products and services.

One of Innovation Union's biggest commitments is to achieve the European Research Area, ERA. Members should think of the ERA as a European single market for research, knowledge and ideas. It aims to spread excellence by encouraging cross-border collaboration and open innovation. The ERA initiative sets out a series of measures to enable researchers, research institutions and businesses to better move, compete and co-operate across borders.

In practice this means removing career and practical barriers to the free movement of researchers across national borders. It means reducing fragmentation and duplication in our national research systems. It also means a number of reforms in third level education. The European Commission has called on academia and business to improve linkages and develop more strategic partnerships, to define collaborative research agendas and optimise the use of research results. All this will lead to better science and the better valorisation of knowledge.
We have supported the policy goals of Innovation Union and the European research area through the 7th Research Framework Programme, but next year FP7 and all the other European level measures in research and innovation will be replaced by a single new programme, Horizon 2020. I was determined from the outset that Horizon 2020 should fundamentally reform how we finance research and innovation at the European level, and I was determined that it should support growth and jobs. While Horizon 2020 increases support for excellent research in Europe, including through the very successful European Research Council, there is a greater focus on innovation and economic impact. In line with the goals of Innovation Union, Horizon 2020 will provide a coherent set of funding instruments and practical support along the entire innovation chain, from basic research to close-to-market actions. The programme has also been designed to make our support for research and innovation simpler, more efficient and more effective at delivering the major impacts we need to boost growth and jobs and to tackle societal challenges such as climate change, health or energy security. Compared with previous programmes, Horizon 2020 will slash red tape to free up researchers and innovators to do their jobs. To make life simpler for SMEs there will be a single, comprehensive instrument adapted to their needs.
The negotiations between the European institutions on the EU budget for the period 2014 to 2020, including Horizon 2020, are going well, and during the last trilogue discussions, concrete progress was made on a number of provisions. There are issues that require further discussion, but I am confident of the outcome, and I remain fully committed to continuing our work, together with the European Parliament and member states, to obtain a timely adoption of the Horizon 2020 package.
We need Horizon 2020 as a declaration of Europe's intention to keep investing in the knowledge economy. While 5 million jobs were lost in the EU between 2008 and 2010, the number of jobs in the knowledge economy increased by 800,000. The member states with a high research and innovation capacity and intensity, the ones that spent more than 2.5% of their GDP on research and innovation in 2011, had an average unemployment rate of 6.6% in October 2012. For the countries at the other end of the scale, which invested less than 1.5% of GDP in research and innovation in 2011, their unemployment rate was more than double that of the innovation-intense countries, at 13.8%.
Up to 2011, a majority of the 27 member states managed to maintain or increase their public research and development investment, despite huge pressure on budgets. Worryingly, however, in 2011, fewer countries managed to do so, and overall public spending on research and development decreased for the first time since the crisis. We need to maintain research and development investment in Europe, but we also need to get better value for money. We know that the research sector is underperforming in some member states and that some produce more science and technology excellence and innovation than others with the same investment. The reform of the European research area is one of the critical structural reforms for growth. As Ireland demonstrates, a top class research base is one of the biggest draws for foreign investment. In fact, foreign direct investment in research and development is holding up.
The United States, which accounts for two thirds of internationally mobile research and development investment, is holding firm. American companies invest ten times as much in research and development in Europe per year as they do in China and India combined. Therefore, there are convincing reasons to continue investing in the drivers of growth and jobs – education, research and innovation – and Horizon 2020 will be an important factor in the equation.
Tomorrow, 9 May, is Europe Day. Perhaps if we look back and see how far Ireland has come in 40 years, it will give us reason to celebrate and it will give us confidence that we will make as much progress again in the coming decades. EU membership has transformed the way we live and work. It has nurtured new industries and renewed old ones. It has spurred infrastructural development in our cities and our countryside. It has secured fundamental rights and freedoms and helped protect our environment. It has made life a little fairer for women. As a member of the EU, Ireland is part of the Single Market which comprises 500 million people and where there is free movement of goods, persons, services and capital across 27 member states. That provides an enormous market for the export of Irish goods and services that are key to economic recovery.
We are going through difficult and challenging times, but Europe and Ireland can and will come through stronger. The European Union has to deliver economic recovery if it is to prove its continued relevance to everyone in Europe. This is both a political and a communications challenge. As I said in my recent speech in Dublin on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of EU membership, we cannot have a Europe of the haves and the have-nots. We know what our challenges are at a national and at a European level, and we have to address the pressing political problems we face in a spirit of determination, co-operation and solidarity.

I thank the Commissioner.

I welcome most sincerely the Commissioner, Ms Máire Geoghegan-Quinn. It is fitting during Europe week that we would have our own Commissioner address the House. Since the 24th Seanad commenced in 2011, I have endeavoured to fulfil the wish of the House for a more formal engagement with European institutions which have such an influence on our politics and the daily lives of all of us. We have had a number of engaging debates in recent months with our European parliamentary colleagues. The list of distinguished people is being added to today by the Commissioner's presence and I am grateful for her attendance.

I am encouraged to learn about the nature and extent of the work being done in the area of research and innovation in the European Union. I say that because the challenges facing industry, governments and policymakers are very significant. Despite signs of some green shoots, our domestic economy and the European economy remain sluggish. Even though four years have passed since the start of the financial crisis, people are suffering. When we talk about challenges, there are no greater societal challenges than ensuring innovation and technology are used to create jobs. Unemployment remains stubbornly high. This is not just an economic problem, it is also a societal challenge. We know that those who are without jobs are more at risk of poverty. Life chances diminish considerably for those who enter the poverty traps and long-term structural unemployment. Cyclical generational unemployment affects families and whole communities. I know this only too well coming from the city of Waterford which has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. This influences people's health, their education, their ability to participate in the labour market, their purchasing power, their technical know-how and their contribution to society generally.

By using technology, research and innovation to drive product, service and market improvements to create sustainable employment, we can create quality jobs that will help us to address not only the economic deficits, but also the grand societal challenges which exist, not only in Ireland but right across the European Union. In turn, this will help to address the inequalities and imbalances in health outcomes, educational opportunities and labour market participation. That is why achieving political agreement on the Horizon 2020 package, the key research and innovation priority of the Irish Presidency, is so important, as Ms Geoghegan-Quinn mentioned.

I appreciate that it is a challenging process to reconcile the interests and perspectives of all the parties involved, but no doubt the sheer commitment of the Government, the Commission and all the stakeholders will be key to advancing these negotiations and making the necessary progress quickly to ensure there will be sufficient time to give effect to the necessary legislative procedures to implement Horizon 2020 from the start of 2014. For my part, any legislation that comes before this House will be given early consideration and enacted, and not delayed unnecessarily.

I thank the Commissioner most sincerely for coming to the House today in Europe Week. I look forward to a robust exchange of views with Members of the House, who rightly and continually seek debates on research and innovation and job creation.

Cuirim fáilte roimh Ms Máire Geoghegan-Quinn. I welcome her team as well. She has an effective team Europe, so to speak.

We in Ireland are proud of the work Ms Geoghegan-Quinn is doing as Commissioner. She is extraordinarily well-equipped. In being appointed Commissioner from Ireland, she was the right person at the right time in the right era. Of course, she has a role for all 500 million citizens and she ably represents those as well, but she is home now and I welcome her home.

It is lovely to hear Ms Geoghegan-Quinn's beautiful blas. Irish has been so well spoken by her throughout her career and we are always proud to hear that beautiful Galway Irish. It is just lovely to hear it again today in this House.

As Minister of State, I worked with Ms Geoghegan-Quinn in the Dáil. One aspect of her Ministries was that she took complete control of them in the sense that she was innovative and decisive. I recall many instances when she, as a Minister, took decisions and could see exactly what was right to do in her portfolio. One could write extensively about her career.

For me, among the highlights was her period as Minister for Justice. It was most innovative, progressive and liberal and the courageous decisions she took at that time have had a major impact on this country. She did not delay or defer them. She stood up and took them. People realise the importance and significance of those decisions.

Ms Geoghegan-Quinn also was progressive when it came to the development of an institution in Castlerea in County Roscommon. While it may not always be appreciated, at that time, it was a major issue. It has a major effect on the economy of County Roscommon and surrounding areas and I am sure she does not mind me mentioning those events which had a relevance to myself and the late former Minister, Sean Doherty, in the constituency of Roscommon-East Galway.

All politics is local.

Exactly. Well put by Senator O'Sullivan.

The Leader of the House has been innovative in bringing distinguished visitors here, and none more distinguished than Ms Geoghegan-Quinn. She was the first woman Cabinet Minister in the history of the State. It is difficult to believe that a woman as young as herself was the first. In that sense, it was a new mould. We have come from Arbour Hill today where we recognised what this country has achieved by the sacrifices of the men and women of 1916. It took so long for a woman to be appointed to Cabinet, and Ms Geoghegan-Quinn was the first. It was a matter the Cathaoirleach mentioned.

Ms Geoghegan-Quinn's work is vital. As a former trade Minister, I realise that research and development is vital. Her speech was progressive. I heard her on "Morning Ireland" this morning as well, where she outlined her work in Brussels. She brought to that her knowledge of industry in the then Department of Industry and Commerce and all the Ministries in which she served. She had a good grounding for her job as Commissioner because she realises what is vital - research and development and the development of small industries. Her work in research with the universities here is vital.

Tomorrow, as Ms Geoghegan-Quinn stated, is Europe Day. Since we joined the European Union, we have had 40 years of development and progress. The European Union has been good to Ireland and Ireland has been good to Europe. As such, it is a two-way message.

Ms Geoghegan-Quinn's work is vital. The area of research on alternative energy - wave, wind and solar - is one field that she has been discussing. These are areas where we can eliminate or certainly reduce our input into energy. There are controversies relating to wind power, and those can be resolved. There are areas of this country where residencies would not be affected. People are affected by turbines. That is a fact and it causes distress, but there are numerous locations in which they can be erected without causing distress. They are essential. We are blessed with the best wind power in Europe. It is an area that is being developed.

The technology for wave energy has not yet been fully developed. Ms Geoghegan-Quinn could see the Atlantic Ocean at home and will be aware of the power there. That is an area in which more research needs to be done.

When all this research and development is done, let us build these in Ireland. With respect to our friends in China, the turbines, wave energy and all of that innovation can be manufactured in this country. Ireland has a good manufacturing base and it can continue in that regard.

I thank Ms Geoghegan-Quinn for coming to the House. We are delighted to have her here. We wish her continued success as Commissioner in the role she plays. I believe she is making an enormous contribution to Europe and to the development of this country.

I, too, welcome the Commissioner, Ms Geoghegan-Quinn, to the House. I thank her for coming to speak to us. As the Leader, Senator Cummins, stated, her visit here is part of a formal engagement process we are undertaking with the European Union, with our representatives in the European Union and with others in the European Union, such as Commissioners. We invited a number of Ireland's MEPs and we have had constructive engagements with them, but it is particularly good to welcome Ms Geoghegan-Quinn here.

The Cathaoirleach mentioned Ms Geoghegan-Quinn's illustrious political career, and I thought I might add a few more reflections on how her career has paved the way for some positive developments that are still ongoing. As the Cathaoirleach stated, she was made a Minister in 1979 and, of course, the first woman Cabinet Minister since Constance Markievicz or since the foundation of the State. She was then Chair of the first parliamentary committee on women's rights in the 1980s. Following other Ministries, as Minister for Justice in 1993, in a particularly noteworthy Ministry, she introduced some important reforms. Of course, the 1993 Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act was of special importance in decriminalising homosexuality. It is perhaps a reflection on how far we have come since then that we are now contemplating a referendum next year on gay marriage or marriage equality following the Constitutional Convention's strong vote in favour of such a referendum.

Of course, the other aspect of the 1993 Act often overlooked were the provisions reforming the law on prostitution. I thought the Commissioner might be interested to hear that today the Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality will review a report it is compiling on prostitution to look at further potential reform in the law. There are a number of ways in which Ms Geoghegan-Quinn's Ministry and career has paved the way for further change.

I offer my personal thanks again to Ms Geoghegan-Quinn for participating in the December 2008 event held in the Dáil Chamber to celebrate women's participation in politics with the Oireachtas women's day. As she will be aware, since then we passed the Electoral (Amendment) (Political Funding) Act 2012, which will see quite a transformation in the gender breakdown in politics as it will require political parties to select at least 30% of their candidates of each gender in the next general election. Hopefully, there will be a big increase in the numbers of women ultimately elected. These all are positive developments and I pay tribute to Ms Geoghegan-Quinn's work in paving the way for some of these.

Turning to the topic of Ms Geoghegan-Quinn's speech and her work as Commissioner for Research, Innovation and Science, I am delighted to see in her article in The Irish Times today that she spoke of the need to ensure a focus on humanities and social sciences and that these are not neglected.

Often these areas can be overlooked when we speak about leading innovation in the ICT and high-tech sectors. To declare an interest, in my capacity as an academic I received EU funding in the 1990s for research on rape law which informed changes in how we prosecute and try rape cases in Ireland. It was very helpful to us to receive EU funding which enabled us to examine comparative laws in other jurisdictions and see best practice elsewhere. There are many examples of how in many different areas we can see EU funding assisting innovation and progress in different ways.

The Commissioner's work more generally in devising Horizon 2020 is hugely important. The Minister of State, Deputy Seán Sherlock, is chairing negotiations on Horizon 2020 and there is a clear imperative to ensure the transition between FP7 and Horizon 2020 is smooth with no hiatus or gap in which cracks could appear. Agreement is required on the €70 billion to €80 billion package because it is also an important stimulus for the European economy, as the Commissioner outlined clearly in her speech, with a potential €1 billion drawdown for Ireland. It is important that we simplify the funding cost model, move to a unified model and see a drawdown for Ireland.

It is also timely to note that today is the day the QS university rankings have been published. As a Senator for Dublin University I am particularly proud and glad to see Trinity College Dublin doing particularly well, with a top 50 ranking in four subjects and a top 100 in 14 more, including my subject of law. It is very good to see other Irish universities also doing well in the rankings. It is good to see we are clearly punching above our weight at a time of cutbacks throughout the third level sector.

The Commissioner referred to many of the innovative projects in various Irish academic institutions, such as CRANN in Trinity where research is leading the field. The key imperative with regard to Horizon 2020 is the need to bridge the gap between research and the market, about which the Commissioner has spoken previously. She stated Ireland leads in profiting from the economic effects of innovation and she outlined some of the challenges. The EU overall faces challenges, as it still lags behind the innovation leaders of the US, Japan and South Korea. Although we are closing the gap, and the Commissioner is very conscious of the need to close this gap, we must be aware that while we have had progress at EU level there is no room for complacency in how we fund and generate research. The European research area initiative is exciting because it offers greater potential for a joined up approach to leading in innovation. How can we ensure the three imperatives of invest, reform and transform, which the Commissioner mentioned in previous speeches, are met through Horizon 2020? How can we ensure Horizon 2020 will cut red tape, which is one of the great promises it makes? I know from personal experience the large amount of red tape which comes with any granting of EU funding for research. It is important to ensure transparency and accountability and that research funding is made on a merit basis only, but at the same time it can be very off-putting for people seeking the funding.

How do we ensure Horizon 2020 is the benchmark for funding the entire chain and the benchmark for linking academic work to the market value we all hope we will achieve? I thank the Commissioner for her very thought-provoking words and for coming to speak to us today.

I join everyone in welcoming the Commissioner for this robust exchange of views on the subject of how her portfolio can contribute to the Irish economic recovery. I echo all of the affirmations everyone else has given in terms of her previous roles and contribution to the State. It is a great privilege and pleasure as an Irish lesbian to thank her in the Seanad Chamber for her vision in decriminalising homosexuality. It helped to pave the way to where we are today, as Senator Bacik stated. It is wonderful to be able to thank her.

In light of some of the prime issues with which we are grappling in Ireland today, the Commissioner has spoken extensively about Horizon 2020. She mentioned it in her speech and it was great to hear it is a key cornerstone of EU economic policy and rightly so. The year 2020 is only seven years away and we need the policy, as the Commissioner stated emphatically. It is important, particularly if we are to secure higher levels of foreign direct investment into Ireland and back indigenous industries to a greater extent. In her speech the Commissioner mentioned small and medium enterprises, which are the backbone of any economy. What level of support will be given to small and medium-sized companies under Horizon 2020? Does the Commissioner feel enough companies are aware of the proper funding opportunities under Horizon 2020? She spoke about modernising procurement rules, but perhaps other measures could support awareness in terms of access. It is very important to back these policy sectors if the Irish economy is to become more competitive and sustainable.

Social innovation has had many positive impacts and advantages in Europe. Significant high-level initiatives aim to offer more support to social innovation and social innovators. We have had much debate and discussion in the Seanad on these issues. As the Commissioner knows well, they are emerging at European level as well as at national level in Ireland and many other countries throughout Europe. As a long-time advocate of social innovation, and as a social entrepreneur myself, I welcome and support this development enthusiastically because social innovation brings forward new strategies and concepts to improve lives and solve social problems to the benefit of greater society. The Leader referred to some of these social difficulties. Social entrepreneurs are not driven by profit but by public good but they can create economic growth, jobs and wealth in society. Social innovators, due to their philanthropic approach to their commercial activities more often than not, as the Commissioner knows, employ people from disadvantaged backgrounds in their organisations, so in addition to the main social objective they make a contribution to social cohesion, reducing inequality and moving beyond the haves and have-nots in other ways.

The Commissioner spoke about the Union innovation initiative which recognises the value of social innovation. It states social innovation should become a mainstream focus in the next generation of European social fund programmes. Member states are encouraged to step up efforts to promote social innovation. Research initiatives which would create models for acquiring growth capital from State, interstate and philanthropic sources would be of great assistance. How would the Commissioner rate the impact of social innovation on economic growth in general? How does she see social innovation being put to best use for the development of our economy using public and private funding, but also with the support of European social and innovation funding?

The engagement today highlights the importance of political interaction between the European Commission and national parliaments in Europe. Taking this into account, it would be a little remiss of me in light of where I stand on some of these issues not to take this opportunity to ask the Commissioner her views, if she might share them with us, on the future of the Seanad. Noting that she served in the Oireachtas for 22 years, does she believe the Seanad should be abolished?

Cuirim fáilte roimh an Coimisinéir. I thank her for her words of wisdom and for drawing attention to the fact the University Senators should be especially interested and grateful for the work she has done under the seventh framework. Some are in the Gallery, including Professor Cliona O'Farrelly from the Trinity College biochemistry department. She is interested in immunology also.

We must innovate. A cartoon shows two dinosaurs saying they are too big to fail, and we have heard this phrase far too frequently with regard to banking. The Leader drew attention to the problems he sees in his city of Waterford.

One will find them in traditional industrial centres such as Belfast, Derry, Waterford, as the Leader said, and Limerick. People must innovate. It is most important that the Commissioner keeps the momentum going. As she said, Ireland's success is linked to the nine out of ten top global companies coming here. They like an environment of innovation. They like meeting scientists, innovators and engineers. I am sure that innovation has influenced our new economy here much more than tax breaks or grants.

Science has been neglected and overlooked in Irish schools and teacher training colleges. I wonder if the Commissioner can do something to spur an improvement. Rural science and nature studies was a subject in primary schools in the 1920s and we need to return to that state. Not all academic work is based at a desk or in libraries. Imagine the release that many students could enjoy if they were released into the countryside as witnessed in the recent RTE programme "Secrets of the Irish Landscape" which was based on the work of people like Professor Frank Mitchell, Dr. Matthew Jebb and of course Robert Lloyd Praeger. That would be of interest to people in education who find the desk-based system unattractive.

I wish to discuss the neglect of sciences in teacher training. Is the H.Dip programme the correct way to train teachers if we want to develop a new interest in sciences? The neglect manifests itself somewhat in the problem of red tape discussed by the Commissioner that she is trying to abolish. When attempting to get through all of the red tap some scientists are tempted to downgrade their teaching work. That would be a serious mistake if people could "buy-out" their teaching using the Commission's research grants because we must produce the next generation of scientists.

I spoke to some Irish graduates in Cambridge. Of course, Ernest Walton, the only Irish Nobel Prize winner for science, came from there. Graduates, particularly the female ones, from Trinity College Dublin who studied at Cambridge remembered his lectures because he knew that physics was not a school subject up to 50 or 60 years ago. He took a special interest in how girls who had never studied physics adapted to their studies. They remembered him as their best lecturer and that he won a Nobel Prize. We are inclined to neglect lecturing and teaching. If we continue to do so then the next generation of scientists and innovators will be overlooked. Therefore, it is important that we reform aspects of the education system to reflect those dimensions.

As Senator Bacik said, recently we had a good discussion with the Minister of State, Deputy Sherlock, on the development of science and technology. He has the youth and enthusiasm for its development. The subject comes within the Commissioner's remit. We are concerned that picking winners sometimes can mean going to next year's race meeting with a two-year old race card. We need flexibility in the sector. It would enable us to drop programmes that do not work and introduce new ones. I appreciate that she has said that there is a need for returns and income from patents and royalties but provision should be made for some necessary blue skies research.

The Commissioner is most welcome. She is from the west of Ireland and so is an tUachtarain, the Taoiseach, Tánaiste and the Cathaoirleach of the Seanad. The Offaly people barely got Barack Obama into office in time before his post went to the west of Ireland. I hope that her work precedes us and there is great interest in it now. As she will know, Mr. James D. Watson was in the National Botanic Gardens last Sunday week to unveil a memorial dedicated to the discovery of DNA and he has Tipperary links. There is a huge interest in science now but I would like to see it reach schools and teacher training. The Commissioner has undertaken a most important task and the track on which she has embarked upon is the correct one. I wish her well in her endeavours.

I remind the Senator that Mr. Joe Biden, Vice President of the United States, hails from Ballina, County Mayo.

Bhí sé ráite riamh i gConamara gur fánach an áit a gheofaí gliomach ach tá triúr sa Seanad inniu agus b'fhéidir gur seo an chéad uair riamh gur triúr de bhunadh Charna atá istigh anseo, an Coimisinéir, an Seanadóir Keane agus mé féin. Bhí sé ráite riamh go raibh an-teacht aniar i muintir an iarthair agus táimid á chruthú sin inniu. Cuirim fáilte roimh an Choimisinéir agus déanaim comhghairdeas léi as ucht a ceapacháin. Tá sí ag déanamh sár-obair sa ról atá aici.

San am gairid atá agam, ba mhaith liom tagairt a dhéanamh do roinnt ceisteanna atá tagtha chun cinn. Luaigh an Coimisinéir féin an cheist a bhaineann le hinfheistíocht indíreach ó na hollchomhlachtaí, go bhfuil siad ag coinneáil suas le cúrsaí ach tá na SMEs ag titim siar go mór ó thaobh infheistíochta de. Luaigh sé an rómhaorlathas nó red tape. Cén chaoi a bhfeicfimid laghdú an rómhaorlathais sin ag tarlú ar an talamh? Cén chaoi a mbeidh na comhlachtaí beaga sa tír seo, atá mar bhunchloch na heacnamaíochta, in ann tarraingt as na cistí seo leis an eacnamaíocht a chur chun cinn?

Luadh soláthar poiblí. Táimid i nGaillimh ag déanamh roinnt oibre air sin faoi láthair. Ceann de na lochtanna a chuirtear i leith an Aontais Eorpaigh go minic ná go bhfuilimid ag cailleadh go leor gnó sa tír seo mar gheall ar an phróiseas soláthair phoiblí mar go dtéann sé chuig ollchomhlachtaí móra ar fud na hEorpa. Tuigtear dom go n-úsáidtear na clásail shóisialta seo mar chuid den phróiseas i dtíortha eile. Cén chaoi is féidir linne in Éirinn ár sciar féin de na conarthaí móra seo a choinneáil chun úsáid níos fearr a bhaint as na clásail shóisialta ach fós fanacht taobh istigh de na rialacha Eorpacha?

Tá sprioc atá leagtha síos ó thaobh taighde agus forbartha de 3%, ach de réir na meastachán atá againn sa tír seo, táimid ag leagan síos sprice dúinn féin de 1.7% de réir na Roinne Post, Fiontar agus Nuálaíochta. An bhfuil contúirt ann dá bhrí sin go bhfuil sprioc ró-íseal leagtha síos againn sa tír go gcoinneoimid suas lenár gcomhghleacaithe san Eoraip agus go dtarraingeoimid anuas a bhfuil de thacaíocht le fáil ón Aontas Eorpach mar nach bhfuilimid ach ag leagan síos sprice de 1.7% anseo agus gurb í 3% an sprioc Eorpach?

Ach oiread leis an Seanadóir Zappone, tá eilifint eile sa seomra faoi láthair, eilifint an déine. Bheadh sé an-deacair gan sin a lua leis an Choimisinéir. Tá na beartais déine atá á gcur i bhfeidhm ag an Aontas Eorpach ag déanamh scriosta ar an tír seo, tá siad ag déanamh an-deacrachta ó thaobh na heacnamaíochta de, le gearradh siar agus easpa fáis. Ní hé réimse an Choimisinéara faoi leith é ach bíonn sí ag caint leis na Coimisinéirí eile, Manuel Barroso ach oiread. Tá sé an-tábhachtach cur in iúl don Choimisiún nach bhfuil na beartais déine ag obair. Níl siad ag cur fáis chun cinn agus dá bhrí sin ní féidir linn gnólachtaí a choinneáil ag feidhmiú agus ní féidir infheistíocht chuí a dhéanamh. Ba bhreá linn dá dtabharfadh an Coimisinéir an teachtaireacht sin ar ais chun na hEorpa.

I ask the Commissioner to respond to the lead questioners first because quite a number of Senators have indicated that they would like to ask questions afterwards.

Ms Máire Geoghegan-Quinn

Certainly. I express my thanks for the robust debate that was promised. It is interesting that all of the Senators are so engaged in this policy area. That is something that has happened over the years with people realising that is a policy for growth in Europe. The European Commission has been to the fore from day 1 saying that we need to continue the stability measures that Senator Ó Clochartaigh spoke of.

At the same time the Commission said that the flip side of the coin is growth. If we want to create jobs then we must make the economy much more competitive. The package for growth must be Horizon 2020. I am very pleased that in the middle of the very difficult discussions that took place at the Heads of Government and State levels, despite all of the other areas of policy being cut back, we managed in my area to get a 30% increase, or thereabouts, in our budget. That was very important, even though we did not get as much as we would have liked.

From an Irish point of view it is extraordinary that a country this small, and on the very edge of the European Union, can punch way above its weight and has already drawn down €484 million from Framework Programme 7. I believe that it will achieve its target of €600 million by the end of the year. There is an enormous debt of gratitude due to all of the stakeholders involved, particularly Enterprise Ireland. It organised, in a key way, for its individual staff members to deal with different areas of policy that European research funding can reach in areas such as health, energy, food and so on.

This has been a tremendous success and is viewed as a template by other countries which would like to secure the same level of support.

It is good to discuss European affairs and I have engaged in a number of discussions with the Joint Committee on European Union Affairs. It is also good to have an open debate in the Seanad and I compliment Senators on arranging this discussion.

The area of research and science presents great challenges for governments and policymakers. Governments that must make extremely challenging budgetary decisions find it difficult to protect this element of the budget. The best example of a member state taking such a tough decision was Finland in the early 1990s. Despite the country being on the floor economically, the Finnish Government made a conscious decision to protect funding for research and innovation. The European Innovation Union Scoreboard consistently shows Finland at the top of the innovation tree.

I remember from my time in government the pressure to pursue policies and make decisions that deliver an instant result, one which allows the population to see that their taxes are delivering immediate results, for example, in new jobs. Research and innovation, as a long-term investment, does not work in this way. It has, however, paid off for this country. As Senator Barrett pointed out, the large number of global companies located in Ireland prove we have the skill sets that are necessary. All countries face the challenges to which the Senator alluded, including what children are learning in schools. President Obama regularly refers to STEM education, in other words, science, technology, engineering and mathematics. Young people have moved away from these subjects because they believe it is more difficult to obtain the marks they need to go to college in these subjects. Moreover, children's love of science frequently depends on their teacher.

Last year, at the Euroscience Open Forum in Dublin, we honoured Mr. Jim Cooke who taught in Synge Street. The school would not be widely regarded as being endowed with all the equipment and support services needed to provide a Rolls Royce system of science teaching. By sheer dint of hard work and enthusiasm, however, Mr. Cooke has managed to achieve the best record in the country for numbers of science laureates not only in the Young Scientist competition, but on the European stage. His achievement shows that teachers can instil in pupils a great grá for a subject.

While the European Union does not have any competence in education, Commissioner Vassiliou and I have consistently encouraged teacher training colleges to examine the way in which they teach subjects and the concentration that is required. If we are to retain companies and encourage others to locate here, we need to be able to provide the skill sets they need.

Senator Cummins referred to the high level of unemployment in Waterford. As I regularly point out around Europe, Waterford has one of the smallest third level institutes in Ireland. People often say their third level body will never reach the level of excellence required to secure a grant from the European Research Council, ERC, which awards grants to individual researchers and scientists to do the blue sky research we need and without which we would not have innovation. Professor Nolan from the Waterford Institute of Technology is one of only a small number of Irish recipients of ERC grants. He and his team are doing amazing work. Their success proves that those who are talented and focus on what they need can achieve their goal.

Every speaker referred to small and medium-sized enterprises, of which there are approximately 26 million in Europe. These companies, the backbone of the economy, experience the greatest difficulty in accessing funding. This was one of the major issues my team and I addressed when we were devising a successor to the seventh framework programme, FP7. Everybody said there was too much red tape, the administrative burden was too great and applying for funding cost too much. While the large companies have substantial departments dealing with administration, small companies cannot afford a large administrative burden. We asked how we could make it easier for smaller companies to access funding. We looked at the companies experiencing the greatest difficulty and decided to remove red tape by providing a single instrument for small and medium enterprises, creating a single postbox for applying for the funding and eliminating all other barriers to SMEs accessing the programme. While many companies and high level research institutes and universities are involved in the programme, I want many more to become involved. Universities no longer view themselves as ivory towers which should not get involved with industry and now want to be involved and work with industry, particularly in the area of research and innovation.

We worked with the European Parliament and included in FP7 a 15% target for small and medium-sized companies. We have surpassed the target in many areas and we are still in discussion with the European Parliament on Horizon 2020. This issue has been raised repeatedly because people want to ensure small and medium enterprise is encouraged to access the programme. My focus is on having a simpler programme with one set of rules that are interpreted in the same way regardless of which area of the European Commission one deals with and where everyone understands and has access to the programme.

Senator Bacik referred to the transition between FP7 and Horizon 2020. This is important because if we do not secure agreement on Horizon 2020 by the end of the Irish Presidency, we will have a gap in funding at the end of 2013 and start of 2014. Researchers and scientists do not want gaps because they need coherence and to be able to engage in long-term planning. They need to know from where funding will come from one year to the next. If we do not have the framework programme agreed by the end of June, it will be a matter of serious concern to everybody. The Senator referred to the Minister of State, Deputy Sean Sherlock. The Government has done a great job working with the European Parliament and Commission to try to find areas of agreement to enable the programme to be concluded. The budget is of major significance for all areas of policy, including my area.

Bridging the gap between research and the market is what the Innovation Union initiative is all about. Europe does wonderful, basic blue sky research and wants to continue to lead the world in this area. To take a simple example, MP3 technology was developed in Europe but commercialised in the United States. This is where the challenge lies. When we asked all the stakeholders how we could bring this research to the marketplace, they told us that standard setting is too slow in Europe and must be accelerated. Commission Vice President Tajani is actively engaged in doing this. We also heard about the lack of venture capital funding and in that context I referred to the passport. We heard about a lack of a unitary patent which makes patents much more expensive than in the United States and elsewhere.

China, Japan, Singapore and other countries that are very much engaged in research and innovation are no longer distant from Europe but next door. They are investing enormous amounts of money. While their investment levels are not close to those of Europe yet, they are creeping upwards. Europe has a duty to maintain funding in research and innovation on the basis that it delivers economic competitiveness, growth and, eventually, jobs.

We are talking about jobs that are critical but also of top quality.

I am sorry for going on so long, a Chathaoirligh, but this matter was raised by a number of people. The European research area is all about building a Single Market for knowledge and ideas so that, regardless of which country one is in, one can move to another country to continue research. We all know that researchers sometimes have short contracts and are not always sure where they will be after three years. Therefore, we need to facilitate them to be able to move around. Commissioner Andor has been working on a system of supplementary pensions which would help in that regard.

A big challenge for us concerns women in science, including female students taking up science subjects. We now have a programme which we are rolling out across the 27 member states to encourage more girls to become involved in science. With apologies to all the gentlemen present, science will thus no longer be seen as something that is about old men in white coats. We need role models for all young people but especially to get more girls into science and keep them there.

Yesterday, I had the great honour of talking about social sciences and the humanities at the Royal Irish Academy. Last year, I attended a major transport conference in Greece. It was not an event where one would expect the social sciences to be discussed. After the conference speeches, however, there was a question and answer session. A social scientist at the back of the hall said: "You are talking about innovation but are forgetting about us. You are forgetting about what we do and how to support us." I said that was not the case. The first pillar of Horizon 2020 is all about excellence, blue skies research and doubling of funding for the European Research Council. An Austrian gentleman beside me, who has a company involved in developing motor accessories, said he could not develop anything for a car unless he had a social scientist telling him how his customers would react. Therefore, they need to interpret how customers will react. For me it is all about being interdisciplinary, multidisciplinary and transdisciplinary with everybody working together. In that way, social scientists can work with engineers and ICT experts to have an ecosystem in research and innovation that we really need.

Quite a lot of Senators have indicated so unless they are very brief, taking about 30 seconds each, the Commissioner will not get a chance to respond.

The Commissioner is welcome to the House. I agree with her that Horizon 2020 is very important, particularly if we are to encourage states to continue to invest in research and innovation. The Commissioner mentioned a third-level call to consolidate research. I am conscious that there is so much research going on, although it may not be enough, involving that which is publicly funded either by individual states or the EU. What plans does the Commissioner have to encourage such a call? A call is all well and good but we really need to ensure that if research is going on across the EU, it should be available for all. Certainly, if it is efficient and publicly funded, it makes sense to be consolidated and available for all.

Maraon le Seanadóirí eile, cuirim fáilte Uí Cheallaigh roimh an Coimisinéir anseo inniu. Mar a dúirt sí féin, is minic a raibh sí sa Teach seo mar Aire Rialtas agus Aire Stát le haghaidh díospóireachtaí agus Billí éagsúla a phlé.

While this may deviate somewhat from the Commissioner's portfolio, I wish to ask about agriculture which is still an important area for this country, despite the fact that we have expanded our exports into many other areas. Our fishing industry is also very important. Given the current discussions on the Common Agricultural Policy and the Common Fisheries Policy, it is fundamental that the outcomes are positive for Europe, including Ireland. I invite the Commissioner to comment on that point.

I have been critical in the House and elsewhere of the failure of the European Commission and the European Council to deal with the current unprecedented economic crisis we are facing. It looks to me as if it is being dealt with almost on a crisis-management basis, rather than through any great masterplan to deal with the difficulties we have. To concentrate on unemployment, 25% of our young people aged 18 and 35 are unemployed. In parts of Europe, the unemployment rate is over 50% so there is a real need to get ahead of the curve. Would the Commissioner like to comment on that?

I welcome the Commissioner to the House. She outlined the importance of Horizon 2020 but is there a chasm between those who are trying to make it work and the wider world? There is still a gap of knowledge and understanding which we can see for parents and young people who have not quite caught on to the STEM subjects mentioned earlier by the Commissioner. I recently ran an event for parents in the Sligo Institute of Technology to help them guide their children in that direction. Does the Commissioner have any particular thoughts on that point? For example, Sligo Institute of Technology has had a world Microsoft winner with the Imagine Cup. This year they won the Ireland section and will be going to St. Petersburg to compete, yet we are still struggling at school level to get young people involved in STEM subjects.

As the Commissioner knows, the Minister of State, Deputy Sherlock, is very keen to get an agreement in that regard. Can the Commissioner provide more details of the timeline involved and how it will pan out in the next month?

The Commissioner is very welcome and I was delighted to hear her speech. I have four points, one of which concerns red tape. There must be something we can do about red tape. In France, they do not have the same red tape for a company employing four people as for one employing 400. We do not seem to have done enough, but is the answer in our hands or in Europe's hands?

As regards energy supply, we have the answer in Europe and America with fracking for shale gas. It must be possible to examine this here. We have once again started an inquiry which will delay us two years, yet there is a huge opportunity involved.

It is so interesting to see what New Zealand has been able to do in research on food. We are doing a lot here but are we doing enough in Europe as a whole to research food, particularly dairy, and what has been done concerning exports for China?

As regards investing in research, does the Commissioner have a view on crowd funding - the ability to get many people to invest in companies with the objective not solely of making money but also of supporting that company at the same time?

Ó chailín amháin as Gaillimh go cailín eile as Gaillimh, cuirim fáilte roimh Máire Geoghegan-Quinn go dtí an Teach seo.

I have always seen the Commissioner as a big-picture politician and it is lovely to hear that being recognised here today. I have two brief questions. I am a member of the Joint Committee on European Union Affairs. One point that struck me was that if we implemented the EU services directive our growth would increase by 2% of GDP. The Commissioner's portfolio is about growth, innovation and our future, both here and in Europe. Looking across the different Commissioners that Commissioner Geoghegan-Quinn works with, what is slowing down the implementation of that directive? If it can deliver us a 2% growth in GDP it would be very significant.

My second point is similar to what Senators Bacik and Zappone said. Social innovation is critical, as are our social entrepreneurs. That is greatly enhanced by funding from the Leader programme in Europe. As the Commissioner knows, we are now coming to the end of that funding cycle. Because of that hiatus or lapse, projects that are just about to be approved will not be picked up again for funding until 2015. Can the Commissioner influence that? Innovation at community level does influence local economies, communities and big-picture issues eventually.

I welcome the Commissioner to the House. Since the bank guarantee and the global recession, there is a sense in this country that very little has been done for the people in a European context. Ireland arguably saved the euro by its actions at the beginning of the crisis. Before Europe was up the curve on it, steps were taken here which nobody else was expected to take. Does Germany have an unhealthy influence on the overall fiscal direction that is being determined by Europe? I have noted the Commissioner's own comments that the need for growth policies in parallel to those of austerity must come into play, as President Higgins said this week.

Clearly, people on the ground in Ireland, despite the best efforts of Government, are asking what is being done for them. What does Commissioner Geoghegan-Quinn feel Europe can do? Should there be some level of sovereign write-down of debt to facilitate in equipping programme nations to do something on the ground for the people? What can be done tangibly instead of the fluffy talk we have heard about job creation from various countries?

I welcome the Commissioner. It was interesting that she referred to women in science. It is important we highlight the benefits of research and development. Today is ovarian cancer day, to raise awareness of that issue. In the last two months, research funding of €6 million was announced for investigation of pre-eclampsia, to which a quarter of all maternity deaths in Europe can be attributed.

I have visited Shanghai and while I was there I saw how they assemble research hubs. We, however, have not done this. We have six universities dealing with medical education. Would we be better off amalgamating and coordinating research to a much greater extent in our universities? Would we be better off with three medical colleges focusing on medical research instead of having six individual units? We must look at better co-ordination.

I welcome the Commissioner to the House. I am involved in clinical research and I am troubled by the track record and future plans of the European Commission in this field. In 2001, the European clinical trials directive was put in place that was widely seen by those in the field as a disaster. It achieved one goal, and one goal only - harmonisation. I am not a eurosceptic, I am a europhile, but harmonisation should not be a goal of its own. It only works when trying to harmonise things to a high quality. Making everything the same as it is everywhere else, when it is bad in other places, is not the way to do it, but it is what the Commission tried to do.

Thankfully it was only a directive, although we did not quite realise at the time. We thought there would be a catastrophe but it turned out we could not ignore it because it was a directive, not a regulation. Now, however, one regulation is coming down the pipeline on clinical trials and another on data protection. Huge collateral damage will result. Two of the biggest advances in cancer therapy in the last few years could not have been achieved under the regime that will apply after the data protection directive is put in place. It will require explicit consent from people, which must be spelt out, for the use of their bodily materials for research purposes when many of these people are already deceased. The research has led to cures for some breast cancers and to huge improvement in treatment for chronic myeloid leukemia. It required looking at specimens from patients who were archived and stored. They were treated with respect and anonymised. I hope the Commissioner will give this her attention as there is a real risk of disaster here.

Tá áthas orm mar bhean as Conamara fáilte a chur roimh bhean eile as Conamara, an Coimisinéir, inniu. Is as an Chlochán mé so níl mo bhlas chomh flúirseach agus atá sé i gCarna. Tá gach éinne i gConamara an-bhródúil as ucht an méid atá bainte amach ag an gCoimisinéir, ní hamháin sa Choimisiún, ach nuair a bhí sí ina Ball Oireachtais, go háirithe as ucht an mhisnigh a thug sí do mhná na hÉireann.

I have one question mar gheall ar SMEs. We could consider innovation hubs for SMEs that have branched out from universities and are now on their own employing six to ten people. I saw this in Finland, where little clusters of businesses come together for innovation and research. We have priorities set out in our action plan, which is working well with the universities, but to paraphrase Senator Barrett, our SMEs are too valuable to let fail.

I am honoured to be here today. The Commissioner was previously a Fianna Fáil Minister, appointed by Taoiseach Charles Haughey, who had the vision to see that she would be an iconic politician as a woman. I am proud of and inspired by the Commissioner.

The elephant in the room is that despite all the positive results and economic development for Ireland when we joined the EEC, at the moment we do not look at Europe and the EU the way we once did. The crisis in the euro was very badly handled by the EU. Without wanting to be extreme, it has become like the communist structure it is so bureaucratic. The Commissioner's portfolio of research, innovation and science has been lost by the EU.

There is an area in this country that has been neglected, the full participation of the 53% of the country who are women. Twice as many men as women set up businesses. We have one of the worst records for numbers of female entrepreneurs setting up businesses that can export. I would like to hear the Commissioner's professional opinion, as a Commissioner and as a woman, as to what we can do to get more women to start up businesses because our only issue is to create employment for the people who have no jobs.

I welcome a fellow Galwegian and compliment here on her tremendous work. Much has been said about getting young people more interested in science. That will be a real challenge. Is the Commissioner liaising closely with the Department of Education and Skills and the Minister on introducing science at primary level, instilling an interest in the subject at an early age?

Ms Máire Geoghegan-Quinn

I will begin with economic issues that were raised in the earlier debate, as well as just now. If we are to win the hearts and minds of people all over Europe, and get them to believe as strongly as they did in the past in the European project, we must be able to show that not alone are we putting in place banking union, a single supervisory mechanism, an extension of loan maturities and an arrangement dealing with promissory notes, on the flip side of the coin we must produce policies that create growth and jobs. The Minister for Social Protection has successfully introduced a new scheme aimed at youth unemployment. We must look at the individual policies the European Commission has put forward and where there are barriers or too much red tape, we can cut that red tape significantly to make it easier for people to be able to access funding so the policies do what they say on the tin. Those are the challenges we face in the European Union at the moment.

When ordinary people talk about Europe, they do not necessarily distinguish between the different institutions. There is the European Central Bank, the European Commission, the European Parliament, the Council of Ministers. Everything gets wrapped up together and people talk about "Brussels" being responsible for all of this.

This is very difficult, as I am sure it is when a Member of Dáil Éireann or Seanad Éireann tells people down the country that Dublin is not responsible for everything that has occurred. It is very easy for people in the country to blame Dublin and people in Dublin to blame Brussels. It is important, however, that they realise that the Commission, under President Barroso, is engaged at every level in finding solutions to the problems faced by ordinary men and women across Europe, nowhere more so than in Ireland.

The Commission appreciates the huge sacrifice that has been made by ordinary people in correcting something they did not create and is seeking to find policies that can address the issues. As I stated, all the Commission's proposals have been put on the table with the specific aim of alleviating the problem and ensuring that what took place in the past can never happen again. We must never again have loose regulation. The Commission has proposed a proper banking union and much work is being done on this issue. People must show a little patience, which is not always easy. They need to realise that this will not be done by one organisation or institution but a combination of all the European institutions working together. What we are trying to achieve in Europe is to put in place the types of policies, structures and procedures that will ensure we take the best route forward to support economic recovery in the Union as a whole and in Europe in general.

The Government deserves tremendous praise for everything it has done, including the decision of the informal ECOFIN Council to extend the loan maturities. This agreement was a very important political development as it will facilitate a full return to the market and assist Ireland in exiting the troika programme. The Commission attaches great importance to the issue of a banking union, which was discussed again yesterday by President Barroso. Such a union would make possible direct recapitalisation of banks by the European Stability Mechanism and break the link between bank and sovereign debt. This issue is on the table and it is one the Commission supports and to which it is committed. An historic agreement was reached on the single supervisory mechanism under the Irish Presidency. Ireland assumed the Presidency at a time of great significance when important decisions affecting the future of Ireland and Europe must be made.

Senator Colm Burke asked whether fragmentation and duplication will cause problems. One of the issues of crucial importance to us in developing Horizon 2020 was the need to focus on what is known as smart specialisation. This involves studying a country or region, deciding what are its strengths and investing in and developing these strengths. I am responsible for another area of policy in the Commission, the joint research centre, which established a smart specialisation platform in its institute in Seville. Various regions in the European Union have worked in this platform to develop a smart specialisation strategy. As Senators will be aware, the Commission made country-specific recommendations and noted areas where countries are weak and on which they must concentrate greater effort. This happens in my policy area and other policy areas.

This is the month of the brain, a proposal and policy that is strongly supported by the European Commission. I am frequently tackled about spending more research funding in health than in any other area. I make no apology to anybody for doing so because health research is fundamentally important.

I concur with Senator Crown on the clinical services directive. The directorate general for which I have responsibility and the joint research centre have worked with Commissioner Borg in this area to try to find a solution that is helpful as opposed to putting in place barriers or obstacles to research. Stem cell research, for example, is an issue that frequently generates considerable controversy in Europe. We have a strict formula in place which allows such research to take place under certain circumstances. This has not created a problem in FP7 and will not create a problem in Horizon 2020.

Open access is very important, as Senator Clune pointed out. The wonderful results of research must be available to be used for innovation and to develop and market technologies. Open access is the default position of Horizon 2020. We support both "gold" access and open access. Where one has significant public funding given over to research, the results must be made available for use by those who want to do so.

On women entrepreneurs, the Commission introduced an initiative to get girls more interested in science. We must also consider how we educate people as we have tended to educate them to become employees rather than employers. This is an area on which education systems across Europe are working. While the Commission does not have a competence in this area, it is an issue of which Commissioner Vassiliou has been highly supportive.

Agriculture and the Common Fisheries Policy were raised. The Commission is heavily involved in agriculture. For example, we published a new policy communication on the bio-economy last July, which will be of great significance. A sum of €4.5 billion has been committed to research in agriculture. Given that the role of research and research funding in agriculture was not widely discussed until recently, these developments constitute a major step forward. I work closely with Commissioner Ciolo in developing this area.

On the Common Fisheries Policy, the Taoiseach will be involved, with the Commission, in the launch of the Atlantic strategy at the end of this month. Although the European Union, the United States and South America have done significant research on the Atlantic, the findings have not been brought together. The new strategy attempts to do so. If we are honest, we will admit to knowing much more about what occurs above water than below sea level. There are so many opportunities and good projects being examined in this area. In Limerick, for example, research is being done on producing bio-fuels from algae. The area of medicines and so forth also offer significant potential.

We need to do a great deal of work with parents to address the gap in knowledge between parents and teachers. To take a successful case, Galway has been holding a major science and technology festival for many years. Parents and schoolchildren of all ages visit the festival, which is held on the grounds of University College Galway and companies and researchers from the university and Galway-Mayo Institute of Technology are involved. The event provides hands-on experience and deserves to be replicated around the country.

Cutting red tape was the objective of Horizon 2020. The strategy will create a single set of funding rules and one port of call and will be interpreted in the same way across all the services of the Commission. We received tremendous support in this from the Council of Ministers and European Parliament.

A major conference on the strategic energy technology plan, attended by the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Pat Rabbitte, was held in the Royal Hospital Kilmainham yesterday. The Commission is committed to renewable energies in all the areas to which Senator Leyden referred. Ireland is already involved in research into alternative energies and now has many opportunities to bring them to the marketplace.

Food research and novel foods are strongly linked to health. More money needs to be invested in certain areas of food research.

Crowd funding is another issue in which the Commission is strongly interested. As I indicated, the lack of venture capital in Europe during the crisis is a major concern for companies, researchers and so forth. A passport for venture capital fund is available and the Commission has done considerable work with business angel networks. We are providing support in many areas.

Close co-operation is needed in the area of education.

Commissioner Vassiliou and I are working very closely together on this. It is probably an area in which, if we had competence, we could do even more but there is much we can do by encouragement.
There is the most thorny issue of all, and I cannot finish without talking about it. Senator Zappone asked me what I thought about the Seanad.

The Commissioner will need extra time for this.

Ms Máire Geoghegan-Quinn

I thank the Cathaoirleach. That is very good of him. First, when one has to make a really important decision in life it is always important to have a second opinion. That is one of the truths by which I live. The decade of remembrance we are going through, the big moments in the State, is a time when we need to look very carefully at democratic accountability. Checks and balances are needed. We have seen this in respect of the economic crisis. It is also a time of checks and balances in the whole political system and political landscape. People will have to decide whether they want a diminishing democracy or a democracy that is enhanced. I hope we can have a debate in the country that is measured and considered, where people can talk in a very rational and calm way about the future.

If I may, I will talk about my own personal experience. For 22 years, as I noted, I often came into this Chamber in my capacity as a Minister of State or as a Minister. I remember the first time I came here, with a consumer information Bill, as long ago as 1977 or 1978. I learned more during the discussion in this Chamber about the law and how it works than I could ever have learned in the Dáil. The debate in the Dáil was fast and furious and there were so many items on the agenda. When I came into the Seanad there was a possibility to tease out the legislation. There were giants here on the occasion of that debate, such as Ken Whitaker and Alexis Fitzgerald senior, who knew the law and could talk about the practical implications of what we were suggesting. I did something I believe few of my predecessors had done - I accepted amendments. I may not have been very popular with my colleagues in the Dáil at the time but I believe it was a good thing to do.

I valued very much the experience and the support I received here. One may look at the people who have been in the Seanad - I will not mention everybody - and at the contribution and the voice the Seanad has given, for example, to an area in I was centrally involved for two years, Northern Ireland. There were people such as Gordon Wilson, Maurice Hayes, Seamus Mallon and Bríd Rodgers. There was a depth of understanding they were able to bring to this Chamber in regard to the difficulties in Northern Ireland that could not have been brought to the other Chamber. That is something we must also think about in this debate.

There is, of course, my great friend, Senator David Norris. I am very disappointed he is not present today. We had many a tussle in this Chamber and many great robust debates. Very many people kindly mentioned what happened in 1993 and 1994, concerning a certain piece of legislation. Again, that was a debate that could take place in a real calm atmosphere where nobody was trying to score political points.

If Senators want a direct answer, therefore, yes, I believe the Seanad should remain and I will have great pleasure in coming home, whenever the referendum takes place, to vote "No" to the abolition of the Seanad.

I thank the Commissioner very much. I call the Leas-Chathaoirleach to propose a vote of thanks to the Commissioner.

It is my great pleasure, as Leas-Chathaoirleach and on behalf of all the Senators, to express my sincere gratitude to the Commissioner for her very innovative - if I might use that word - speech today in the Chamber and for her very sincere answers to all the various questions raised. My abiding memory of her, when I had served in the Seanad for some time and when she had attended as both a junior and a senior Minister, is her tremendous bravery on many issues. Sometimes Ministers can cower behind the power of the backroom team. The Commissioner was brave and forward-thinking and had an innate ability to think outside the box on many issues. That is a great credit to her. When history will be written she will be seen as a Minister who took on challenges and did not flinch in times when it probably would have been easier to hide away.

I refer to the Commissioner's remarks on Senator Norris. I can tell her that, like good wine that improves with age, the Senator has become more robust and is still an ardent contributor in many debates. She will be glad to know he has not faded away like a shrinking violet. I am also very encouraged by the Commissioner's answer to the weasel question raised by Senator Zappone. Again, she has been very brave on that issue.

I give sincere thanks to the Commissioner and convey to her the good wishes of this House which go with her today for her future, in her current role as Commissioner and beyond that.

Sitting suspended at 2.15 p.m. and resumed at 2.30 p.m.
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