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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 3 Apr 2025

Vol. 305 No. 3

International Trade and International Relations: Statements (Resumed)

I am sharing time with Senator Dee Ryan.

It would be remiss of me not to be associated with the remarks of Senator Andrews and to acknowledge the passing of the legend that was Mick O'Dwyer. From a Westmeath point of view, we will always remember the early 2000s and 2004 in particular, when we won our one and only Leinster Senior Football Championship, with the great Páidí Ó Sé in the Westmeath dugout and Mick O'Dwyer in the Laois dugout on both the day of the drawn game and the replay. Unfortunately, they have both passed now. Go ndéana Dia trócaire ar a n-anamacha uaisle.

I thank the Minister of State and the Tánaiste. It has to be acknowledged that we are a mere 12 hours since the press conference in the Rose Garden and we have had the Tánaiste and the Minister of State here to be able to discuss these issues. That has to be acknowledged and thanked because I know how busy a schedule they have.

I will be brief and it will not surprise the Minister of State that I will concentrate on the agricultural side of things and how developments may or may not affect the agriculture sector going forward. I know the great role the Minister of State plays in Europe and how passionate he is about that role. Europe has a big role to play in the Mercosur deal now. Under the current circumstances it has come back into the spotlight. We export a lot of dairy product, fish, meat and beef to America. Depending on the outcomes of what was announced last night regarding that sector, it is not the appropriate time to be committing to importing beef from South America. Certainly. this has brought that trade deal back into focus and we need to keep our eye very closely on the ball.

Based on what I said at the outset, using a football analogy, we have often seen situations when teams have concentrated on a marquee player and then on the day of the big game it is another player who comes in, steals the show, and has a man of the match performance because they have taken their eye off him. We cannot take our eye off all our other deals. We are not the only country or continent affected by what was announced last night. All the countries we trade with and export to are going to be affected in some way. If, in a worst-case scenario, what was announced affects their cost of living and exacerbates inflation in those countries, their disposable incomes will be limited and that will have a knock-on effect on what they buy off us. We need to keep an eye on all our trading partners across the world, not just America, and not lose focus on our other trading partners by concentrating solely on America.

I welcome the Minister of State. I would like to reflect comments already made about the reassuring, calm approach that the Tánaiste has taken this morning. That has been echoed in all the Ministers' comments which I have heard on the media this morning and in President Ursula von der Leyen's comments too. The cool heads which are approaching this trade issue and potential trade war are most welcome. We have to control the controllables, which is why this Government's commitment to investment in infrastructure is more important than ever, with rapid, accelerated delivery of water, grid and rail. It is crucial to ensure our competitiveness. I would add regional air access to that list. Our membership of the EU and our access to the EU marketplace are critical. We need to support not just the companies that exist today but also our start-ups and companies of the future so they have the opportunity to be as competitive as possible. We have to ensure they have direct access to our EU marketplace from right across the country, not just the east coast. I am thinking specifically of Limerick and the mid-west, where Shannon Airport does not have year-round daily business connectivity to the EU marketplace. I will speak to the Minister of State, Deputy Byrne, and Minister, Deputy O'Brien, about that in the future to ensure we are supporting competitiveness and connectivity.

Not to be trite, but we cannot waste this crisis. It presents us with the opportunity to refocus on other opportunities for economic development and independence. I am talking, of course, about the opportunity for floating offshore wind development on our west coast. We must prioritise the designation of zoning in our west coast deep waters to ensure that floating offshore wind with the potential not just to decarbonise our own electricity system but also to export energy into Europe and to generate income for the country through a new source of revenue is accelerated. That will mean accelerating designated maritime area plans, DMAPs, of the west coast and investing in our ports.

Cuirim fáilte mhór roimh an Aire Stáit agus an Tánaiste chuig an Seanad inniu. Táimid an-bhuíoch díobh as ucht a bheith anseo chun cúrsaí idirnáisiúnta agus trádála a phlé linn. Guímid gach rath orthu lena gcuid oibre don téarma Rialtais atá faoi lánseol anois.

I will speak about the importance of the basic concepts of co-operation and working together. In our local Tidy Towns group in Ballincollig, we speak about the importance of a bheith ag obair le chéile dá chéile and doing the best we can collectively for our community. As well as the spirit of the meitheal being important at a local level, it is every bit as important at national and indeed international levels. We are living through a time of increased global uncertainty, with escalations of conflict and war in many countries throughout the world. The fact that political leaders abroad and some at home seem intent on sowing division and pitting people in groups against one another for perceived political gain is regrettable and causes great concern.

I was heartened to read the Tánaiste's statement on the US tariffs announced yesterday evening and was delighted to see him reference unity with our EU partners as our greatest strength. The importance of diplomacy, soft power, negotiation, co-operation and working together to resolve conflict and disagreements and to develop and improve our trade links is as relevant today as it ever was. Ireland's greatest ever European, the late John Hume, often spoke of the importance of recognising and respecting our differences while working together. He cited the European Union as the best example in the history of the world of conflict resolution. Let us not forget the importance of continued co-operation and working together for the collective benefit of all.

I dtús baire, I echo the remarks of Senators Andrews and Daly on the passing of the great Mick O'Dwyer. I send my condolences the O'Dwyer family and his wider family in the Gaelic games community. Laoch ár linne a bhí ann. Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.

Táimid an-bhuíoch den Aire Stáit as a bheith sa Teach inniu agus bhíomar buíoch den Tánaiste a bhí sa Teach níos luaithe freisin chun deis a thabhairt dúinn cúrsaí trádála a phlé. In his speech President Trump said that US pharma companies will come roaring back. The Tánaiste mentioned the many people going to work this morning with a sense of unease and he is right. While the pharma companies here have "escaped" the tariffs so far, this morning I spoke to someone who works in a pharma company in Kimmage in Dublin. It is not relief that they are feeling this morning but just a sense of trepidation about what might be coming their way at a later date.

I know it is very early days and we all appreciate the call for continued calm by the Tánaiste in the last 12 hours. Does the Minister of State or his Department have a read of what might be coming down the tracks for pharma companies, big and small, that produce finished products and full products here in Ireland? I was encouraged to hear in the Tánaiste's remarks that Ireland and the EU will work together to mitigate the effects of what might be to come. Could the pharma industry here be looking at non-tariff barriers such as taxes or regulations?

Gabhaim buíochas leis an Leas-Chathaoirleach. Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire Stáit agus an Tánaiste chun an t-ábhar tábhachtach seo a phlé. On Monday, I had the pleasure to attend the announcement in Galway that Datavant, one of the world's leading health data platform companies, is to open a global research and development centre in Galway bringing 125 jobs. I acknowledge the IDA team and the consulates across the United States - the Ireland House model of co-operation with the consulates, IDA and enterprise Ireland. In Galway, we are acutely aware of foreign direct investment from companies across the United States and the thousands employed across various sectors. It is with some fear and trepidation this morning that we are dealing with this matter.

It is important to put on the record that we have a strong trading relationship with the United States. Ireland is now the sixth largest source of foreign direct investment into the United States. The aviation sector provides one example, with 930 aircraft currently on order with Boeing from Irish-based companies. This represents three years' worth of Boeing's entire output and is worth $130 billion. The top ten Irish employers in the United States employ 115,000 people and in total it is estimated that some 770 Irish-owned companies employ over 200,000 American workers. Trade is a two-way process and we need to continue the diplomatic relations between our two countries. I wish the Minister of State, the Tánaiste and the Government well in the coming weeks.

Senator McCarthy is sharing time with Senator Sarah O'Reilly.

I thank the Minister of State for taking the time to be here. I congratulate him and the Tánaiste on their new positions. He is stepping into this role at a time of serious economic and geopolitical challenges. The decisions made in the coming months will have a lasting impact on jobs, trade and Ireland's place on the global stage. I know we are facing an issue, the growing trade war, that will affect every household in Ireland and every business. The impact of these tariffs that we heard announced overnight at the Rose Garden press conference will be felt across agriculture, technology and manufacturing, although hopefully not in pharmaceuticals but that is to be seen.

Irish businesses that depend on exports to the US need to be supported but they are suddenly facing barriers that threaten jobs, investment and long-term growth. It is not about large corporations but about the farmers and, as the Tánaiste mentioned, small business owners and workers across the country who are caught in the middle of a trade war they never started. We must ensure Irish interests are protected in these trade negotiations and that we do not become collateral damage in this dispute, which will affect all our livelihoods.

While the Ireland-USA tariff dispute presents challenges, it also presents opportunities with the proper diplomacy, working with the EU. As Donald Tusk said yesterday, co-operation rather than confrontation seems to be the name of the game.

Beyond trade, I also want to mention the international conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza that demand our attention.

What is going on is unforgivable. It is causing immense human suffering and global instability. Ireland has always been a strong advocate for peace. We must continue to push for diplomatic solutions, as many of my colleagues said, while supporting those affected by these crises. Our neutrality as a nation is part of our identity. It is a strength that we can be a strong voice of reason in a world distracted by rage, fear and trauma. The road ahead is not easy but we have faced challenges before. I look forward to seeing the Tánaiste and the Minister of State, as he takes on this role, protect Ireland's economy, its workers and its place in the global economy. When I started the charity Tiglin, the Tánaiste was a county councillor. I have seen him work from the ground up. We have worked well together to see impossible solutions become possible.

I thank the Minister of State for coming in today. I wish to speak about the effect this trade war will have on small areas such as my town in Cavan. Two of the largest employers in my town are Lakeland Dairies and Terra Limited. One makes butter and the other is a distillery making whiskey for the US market. The tariffs announced are causing fear and instability in the world of business but also in local communities and the workforce. Most people going to work this morning were listening to the radio. It is causing some concern.

I am also concerned, living in a Border county, about the more favourable tariffs in Northern Ireland and the effect that may have on our local economy. The tariffs on Irish goods, the threat to our corporation tax model and retaliatory economic measures from the EU are not distant possibilities; they are happening now. We need leadership that does not just sit back and hope our EU counterparts will fix everything for us. We need to be proactive. We need a considered approach. I was happy to hear the Tánaiste speak about that this morning. Businesses need support and good and timely information. We want business to thrive but we also want a sense of economic sovereignty. If we are to weather this storm, we must make Ireland a place businesses choose to stay not just because of tax breaks but because we have built a resilient, innovative and fair economy.

Would any other Senators who have not spoken like a two-minute slot before I hand over to the Minister of State? No. The floor is the Minister of State's. I thank him for agreeing to extend the time.

Gabhaim buíochas leis na Seanadóirí. Fáiltím roimh an deis a bheith anseo leo ar maidin. Measaim gurb é seo an chéad uair a bhí mé anseo ó cheapadh mé i m'Aire Stáit le freagracht as gnóthaí Eorpacha agus cosaint. Táim ag súil le dul i dteagmháil leis na Seanadóirí sna seachtainí agus míonna atá romhainn. Gabhaim buíochas leo freisin as an méid atá ráite acu ar maidin. Tá dúshlán ollmhór romhainn in Éirinn agus san Aontas Eorpach.

lreland's prosperity requires a well-functioning, competitive and open Single Market with fair access to global markets. This in turn requires a stable and secure international environment and certainty. "Certainty" is an important word. The international environment today faces significant challenges. The war in Ukraine is far from the only conflict impacting on wider security. The Irish Government has displayed a leadership role in many as aspects of that. The Government has also showed leadership on other very important issues. Gaza was mentioned by numerous Senators. By any standard, the Irish Government has displayed a leadership role in the world and in multilateral organisations. There are also conflicts in Syria and Lebanon and other conflicts.

We deeply regret the announcements on tariffs made by President Trump yesterday in Washington DC. They were trailed in advance. The Government actively prepared for them but we had hoped they could be avoided. Nobody wins from tariffs. The Government will review the situation with our EU partners and prepare the best way to respond. The EU will have to respond in a proportionate manner which protects our businesses and citizens. It is important to remember when talking about the EU that we are the EU, along with the other member states, the European Parliament and the peoples of Europe. We will do so in a calm, strategic and measured fashion. We continue to seek negotiated solutions. President Trump to some extent invited this yesterday. It is essential to ensure that we continue dialogue and negotiation. There is always time to strike a fair deal.

The EU response to the previous steel and aluminium tariff is currently planned to come into effect in mid-April. This, of course, will be reviewed in the context of yesterday's announcements. The tariffs on the automotive sector will also be taken into account. We do not often think of the automotive sector as an important industry in Ireland, but it is important in east Galway and Donegal. There are many places around this country which supply the global automobile industry, including in America.

I welcome the engagement the EU has undertaken to date in the design of rebalancing measures so that they strike the right balance of products, taking into account the interests of EU producers, exporters and consumers. The one parallel I can remember is the economic war with Britain. Irish whiskey was one of the most popular products in the world. It was a major exporting product for decades. Prohibition in America cut off a lot of the markets and the trade war with the British empire at the time cut off the rest of the market. The Irish whiskey sector was reduced to a small number of distilleries until the 1980s or 1990s. That has started to increase significantly and we seem to have them all over the country again now.

It remains to be seen what the approach to tariffs will be for the pharmaceutical sector. We cannot take anything for granted. There is much uncertainty. The sector appears to be exempt from the tariffs announced last night. The pharmaceutical sector has operated with zero tariffs for 30 years, reflecting the core importance of access to medicines for citizens everywhere. Zero means no added tariffs and no extra prices for drugs for US consumers and zero tariffs on products coming into the EU. That is why there will be no winners if tariffs are applied.

We believe in, and depend on, free and open trade. I hear many people saying that we need to expand the small and medium enterprise sector in our economy, and I fully agree. We need to expand those companies to enable them to sell to the world. Our Republic has a population of just over 5 million and the island has a population approaching 7 million. We do not have a huge market on this island so we depend, including for our small and medium enterprises, on sales to the European Union and the rest of the world. As someone mentioned, we also depend on sales into companies that are selling to the rest of the world.

The EU-US trade in goods and services reached €1.6 trillion in 2023. It is the largest bilateral trading relationship in the world and one that Ireland has benefited greatly from. The modern economy deals less with the physical goods that cross the border and is driven by services. That tells us a very different story and reveals how integrated our economies are. There is a trade surplus in goods between Ireland and the US but there is a trade deficit in services. That means we have an overall trade deficit with the US in the order of €113 billion. As we all know, the Ireland and US economic relationship extends wider than trade. As has also been mentioned, Ireland is the sixth largest source of foreign direct investment into the US. Investment by Irish companies in 2023 was worth $351 billion.

We must remain calm and measured in our approach and endeavour to de-escalate the current dispute. This will be achieved through engagement, negotiation and compromise. Tomorrow's trade forum will be an opportunity for the Government to update stakeholders and businesses and listen to their feedback. The Government's strategy is to optimise the protection of Irish jobs. Our key priority is to protect jobs, our economy and the investment coming into this country. We have had a lot of engagement with our European Union partners and other Governments. We have engaged with the European Commission. The Tánaiste will travel to Luxembourg on Monday to meet with other EU trade ministers and Commissioner Maroš Šefčovič. I met the Commissioner in Brussels. The Taoiseach has been in touch with President von der Leyen. The Tánaiste has also spoken to US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick and, of course, the Taoiseach has spoken directly to President Trump. That engagement will continue.

The calm and measured approach has been set at the top by the Taoiseach and Tánaiste, and I hope by me. That shows we are serious about this issue. We want the trade relationship to continue to develop. We want to send forward the clear message that tariffs benefit nobody. American people will not benefit from tariffs and we certainly will not benefit either.

A number of other issues have been raised. The triple lock is completely separate from this particular issue, which is of economic sensitivity for our country. To be clear, what we are looking for in respect of the triple lock is the removal of the ability of the countries with a veto on the Security Council, namely, Russia, China, the US, the UK and France, to veto our decision, as a Government and a Dáil, to ask Irish troops to be a part of peacekeeping missions. That is what we are doing. It is as simple as that. It is not the case that Russia has not vetoed in recent years.

There have not been any new peacekeeping missions authorised by the Security Council since, I think, 2014. In fact, during our presidency and membership of the Security Council, which, by the way, has the sole responsibility for peace and security in the world and is the only organisation at the UN that can bind countries, we put forward a proposal that climate would be dealt with at the Security Council in the context of the security of the world. At the time, we had France, the UK and the US on board. I met the Chinese ambassador in New York when I was there; the Chinese abstained. Guess what? The Russians vetoed it, and climate is not part of the agenda of the Security Council because of the Russian veto. Russia does use the veto at the Security Council, therefore, and I think it is time to end the Russian veto on our foreign and defence policy. That is what the triple lock resolution will do.

My party, and our predecessors Frank Aiken, Éamon de Valera and many others including Brian Lenihan senior, and Deputy Micheál Martin as foreign Minister and Taoiseach, have an enviable track record in multilateralism and working at the UN. Frank Aiken went there for months on end to negotiate, and we are very proud of that legacy. However, we cannot abide a situation where the Russian Federation has a veto on our foreign policy.

With regard to Israel and Palestine, our engagement is guided by our long-standing and principled position, namely, respect for international law; respect for the equal right to self-determination, peace, security and dignity for Israelis and Palestinians alike; and unwavering support for the two-state solution, which, by the way, was an idea of Brian Lenihan senior as foreign Minister almost 50 years ago.

Other situations in the Middle East also demand our attention, including Iran and Yemen. Most urgent is the need to prevent a resumption of full conflict in Lebanon and to support an inclusive transition in Syria. I know the Tánaiste discussed these issues with Lebanese ministers during his visit to Lebanon last week. The visit also affirmed our commitment to the work of Ireland’s Defence Forces in UNIFIL and to supporting the people of Lebanon.

I thank Senators for their contributions on the urgent topic of the trade tariffs that have been imposed. I must also make a plea in this debate for across-the-board support for trade agreements in principle. When people complain about tariffs and trade barriers, the only answer to them is trade agreements. The European Union is one of the most important trade agreements we have entered into. Most of the Opposition parties, at various times, have opposed this. We had the Canada trade agreement, and there was even a Supreme Court case about that. People opposed that. We were told it was a threat to our sovereignty. It actually reduces or eliminates tariffs on trade with Canada, which is the key to our economic prosperity.

The Mercosur agreement has been mentioned as well. We have very serious concerns about the text as it stands but I do no think that should take away from the fact that we depend on trade. We want trade and we want to be able to sell our goods into South America but we do not want unfiltered and substandard products coming into our market. We do not want environmental destruction to result from the Mercosur agreement but we have to say that we want trade agreements and want to work might and main regarding Mercosur to satisfy the concerns we have. We hope and expect that the Commission will come back with a different proposal that can deal with the questions we have. The reality is that is another market where Ireland, as a country that sells far more goods than it takes in, could benefit from selling goods into once we have addressed the concerns that have been raised.

I thank the Minister of State, Deputy Byrne, and the Tánaiste for coming here for a very meaningful discussion, and I thank Senators for all the contributions this morning with regard to this all-important topic of international trade and international relations.

Before I move on to Commencement debates, I welcome the students from Moyle Park College, Clondalkin, who are guests of the Minister of State, Deputy Emer Higgins, and also Ms Véronique Platschka from Switzerland, who is a guest of the Ceann Comhairle. They are all very welcome today and I hope they enjoy their visit to Leinster House.

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