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SELECT COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT, HERITAGE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT debate -
Wednesday, 30 Apr 2008

Annual Output Statement 2008.

As we have a quorum, the meeting can proceed. Apologies have been received from Deputy Christy O'Sullivan for his absence due to a family bereavement.

We are meeting to discuss the Revised Estimates for public services 2008, Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government and the 2008 annual output statement for the Department.

On behalf of the select committee I welcome the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputy John Gormley, and the Ministers of State at the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputies Máire Hoctor, Tony Killeen and Batt O'Keeffe. I also welcome the officials to the meeting.

A proposed timetable for today's meeting was circulated to members. It allows for opening statements from the Ministers and opening statements from Fine Gael and Labour Party spokespersons. After this there will be a general question and answer session.

I remind members that the Minister for Finance has asked all Oireachtas committees, when considering Estimates for the current year, to consider in detail the output statements relating to work achieved in 2007 and targets for 2008.

I ask the Minister to make his opening statement on the 2008 Estimates and output statement.

I welcome the opportunity to present my Department's expenditure Estimate for 2008 to the committee. I know that committee members are deeply interested in the range of activities that are pursued by my Department and I look forward to our discussions. I am accompanied by my ministerial colleagues Deputies Batt O'Keeffe, Tony Killeen and Máire Hoctor, who will also make opening statements on the areas in the Department in which they are involved.

Committee members have before them a copy of the annual output statement, AOS, for my Department for 2008. The statement sets out the high-level objectives and programmes for the Department this year and the strategies being pursued to meet those objectives consistent with the Department's new Statement of Strategy 2008-2010. The statement also reports on actual outputs achieved for the targets set last year. In this way, the AOS provides both a forward looking and retrospective overview of key departmental deliverables.

The statement has been developed in such a way as to best capture major areas of expenditure related to the main operational objectives of the Department. The target outputs set for 2008 are hard deliverables, are measurable and best demonstrate output to be achieved for the expenditure involved. The outputs will contribute positively to the strategic goals the Government is trying to achieve.

The majority of frontline services promoted by the Department are delivered through the local government sector. In this way, the objectives and targets set out under each programme in the AOS are predicated on performance within that sector. The Department is also assisted in the attainment of its objectives by the many State-sponsored bodies under its aegis. I am very pleased to report that the targets set for 2007, the first year of the AOS, were largely delivered and, as members will see from the AOS, were surpassed in some instances. A briefing note has also been circulated to members setting out a snapshot description of the various provisions in the Estimate.

The Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government plays a pivotal role in framing policies and delivering a wide range of programmes that impinge on the lives of citizens across the length and breadth of the country. The major programmes are delivered mainly through the local government system but the Department also has a critical role in delivering on key measures. Our overarching objective is to ensure that the appropriate frameworks are in place to progress sustainable development and to foster a local government sector that is capable of delivering across a diverse agenda.

In practical terms, this means we must provide for good planning and balanced regional development, ensure that the appropriate infrastructure is in place to deliver quality water supplies and improved waste management practices, continue to provide for a broad range of housing needs and use the resources available to us efficiently and effectively.

Through our leadership across the range of policies and programmes for which we are responsible, my ministerial colleagues and I are very focused on meeting these objectives. I must also add that I have placed at the heart of much of what we do my strong ambition to advance the protection of the environment. Our planning and land use, settlement patterns, quality of housing, lifestyles and use of natural resources must change as part of a genuine commitment to environmental sustainability.

Nowhere is the test of environmental sustainability greater than in the area of climate change. Climate change is much more than an environmental challenge in the traditional sense. It threatens the world as we know it and the future of people everywhere. We know we have a very short timeframe in which to act decisively. While the Kyoto Protocol fell far short of an effective solution, it represents an important first step in the international response to climate change.

The protocol came into effect in February 2005 and this moved us, and the other countries with targets under the protocol, beyond the point of talking about climate change to controlling, containing and reducing our greenhouse gas emissions on a verifiable and binding basis. Honouring our Kyoto commitment, contributing to the success of the protocol, and preparing for more ambitious targets into the future are national priorities.

A planned, proactive response to climate change is both necessary in environmental terms and desirable in social and economic terms. The opportunities are as great as the challenge and I want to see Ireland aligned with the most progressive EU member states, providing leadership within Europe and at a wider international level. The European Commissioner for Enlargement, Olli Rehn, said recently that we can tackle climate change without compromising our economic fortunes. We have so much to gain if we make the effort and so much to lose if we do not. The choice is ours. To my mind, the benefits of meeting the challenge and taking the opportunities easily prevail and I am channelling my efforts into steering national policy in that direction.

In presenting the first ever carbon budget last December, I said that it marked the beginning of a new era, one in which climate change will move to the heart of Government decision making. It puts our responsibilities to tackle climate change on an equal footing with our responsibilities to manage the economy. That is real progress on which we will build to make an effective transition to a low-carbon society. We have ramped up our performance, moving forward in the first six months or so of this Government with regard to vehicle taxation, building standards and energy standards for lighting. We will measure the impact of climate measures in presenting the second carbon budget later this year. The more successful we can be in increasing energy efficiency and lowering our carbon intensity, the less we will have to rely on buying carbon credits to comply with the Kyoto Protocol. This will enable Ireland to meet our protocol commitments on much more positive terms. It will also see us better prepared to respond to the challenges and opportunities presented by the green industrial revolution to all countries in the medium and longer term.

The Estimate provides for total spending of €3.2 billion by the Department this year. It is the largest ever State investment in services provided by the Department and through the local government system. Comparing the spend this year and last year shows an increase of 12%. That is a clear demonstration of this Government's commitment to meeting demands arising from environmental imperatives, economic growth and demographic change. However, I and my colleagues recognise also that key performance indicators and delivery of outputs are the only real measures of how well our Department, the local authorities and other agencies within our remit are doing. I will continue to place strong emphasis on monitoring performance and promoting best practice to maximise the benefits of the considerable resources being made available.

Local authorities will spend more than €10 billion in 2008 supporting increased investment in housing, water and waste services, national and non-national roads, and an ever-expanding range of other services. Between capital and current funding, my Department will contribute more than €3 billion of this sum. We clearly have a big stake in what is being done within the local government system. The local government fund continues to play a significant role in the financing of local government, with total funding for 2008 amounting to some €1.6 billion. The fund comprises two elements, an Exchequer contribution of €545 million and the proceeds of motor tax, which are projected to exceed €1,000 million for 2008. For 2008, I have allocated a record level of some €999.2 million in general purpose funding to local authorities from the fund. This underlines our commitment to the local government sector and to the services it provides. Although responsibility for regional and local roads was transferred to the Department of Transport with effect from 1 January 2008, the local government fund will continue to make a significant contribution to roads. For 2008, I have allocated €565 million for this purpose from the fund to the Department of Transport.

While central Government has played its part in securing the financial sustainability of local government, it is essential that we continue to develop measures to improve efficiency and value for money in partnership with local authorities. Significant progress has been made in this area in recent years, as acknowledged in the Indecon review of local government financing. Within the wider public service, for example, local authorities were the first to introduce financial management systems based on modern accrual accounting principles and they now have a range of tools to continue to measure and deliver value for money and efficiency.

Last year we identified two important targets under the financial management-audit heading. The first of these related to the introduction of a new standardised costing system. Substantial progress has been made in this area. By the end of this month, the vast majority of city and county councils will have converted their 2008 budget to the new costing format, with the remaining one or two authorities completing the exercise in May. The new system will lead to greater transparency in the financial affairs of local authorities and in the presentation of financial data. It will strengthen the capacity of local authorities to enhance value for money and efficiency, and it will be of considerable benefit to councillors in supporting their role in monitoring performance and in taking a strategic overview of local authority activities.

The second objective related to the establishment of audit committees in county and city councils. I am pleased that audit committees are now up and running in 33 of the 34 county and city councils, with the final committee to be established shortly. These committees will have an independent role in advising their councils on financial reporting processes, internal control, risk management and audit matters. I am satisfied the committees will be an important driver in enhancing the control environment and governance procedures of local authorities into the future.

I will now focus on some of the major programmes that are provided for in the Estimate. In the area of housing there have been major advances over the past decade, with ten years of record output and increased options for people seeking to avail of social and affordable housing. However, more recently there has been a reduction in overall house-building accompanied by moderation in house prices. Rational assessment can only conclude that this movement towards more realistic house prices is essential both for stimulation of the market in the short term and for its long-term sustainability. The €1.7 billion housing Estimate before the committee provides for the following: continued progress in meeting commitments under Towards 2016 and will be invested in the provision of affordable housing; new local authority housing; the continuation of the Ballymun regeneration project; remedial and improvement works to existing local authority housing estates and flat complexes; the provision of accommodation for Travellers; housing provision by the voluntary and co-operative sector; and private housing supports, particularly for the elderly and disabled. My colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Batt O'Keeffe, will outline for the committee the range of housing developments with which he is actively engaged.

The Estimate provides for a €471 million Exchequer investment in water infrastructure this year. The main objective is to continue delivering the strategic environmental and economic objectives set out in the national development plan for the period to 2013. A total of €336 million is earmarked for local authority water and waste water schemes under the water services investment programme. A total of €135 million is being allocated to the rural water programme, mainly to improve water quality standards in private group water schemes. There is a growing momentum in the volume of new schemes reaching construction under the water services investment programme. The current phase of the programme for the period 2007 to 2009, which I published in September 2007, provides the framework for this year's spending requirements. As outlined in the output statement, local authorities completed 44 schemes and started construction on 78 new schemes last year. The number of schemes in progress at the end of 2007 rose to 124, compared with 77 at the end of 2006. A further 40 schemes should be completed this year and up to 60 new ones started.

Considerable progress is being made on many of the relatively smaller schemes over which major projects required for earlier compliance with the EU urban wastewater treatment directive necessarily had to take precedence. More streamlined approval procedures introduced by my Department have assisted in getting more projects moving through the approval system and onwards to construction more quickly. My colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Killeen, will expand further on developments in this area.

One of the key mechanisms in delivering on the Government's objective to have more balanced regional development under the National Development Plan 2007-2013 is enhancing the growth capacity of the nine gateway cities and towns designated under the national spatial strategy and strengthening their role as drivers of the development of their wider regions. As an incentive to stimulate and reward joined-up action at gateway level, a €300 million gateway innovation fund was established under the NDP to help fund targeted strategic investments that could trigger the accelerated development of the gateways and their wider regions. The fund will be additional to the significant NDP capital investment already envisaged for the NSS gateways and hubs under the major sectoral investment programmes and will operate initially on a pilot basis over a three-year period 2008 to 2010, with a significant element of co-funding to be provided locally. A new Exchequer provision of €40 million is made for this purpose in 2008.

Referring to funding for heritage purposes, I am pleased that a provision of €46.6 million is being made available for the programme of work undertaken by my Department's national parks and wildlife service. This represents an increase of 36% on the 2007 outturn and will support increased levels of works and services at national parks and nature reserves, as well as strategic land acquisitions around these properties, further research, species protection and the designation of special areas of conservation.

During the past 20 years Ireland has experienced an unprecedented period of growth and development that has seen us narrowing the historical development gap with our western European neighbours. Substantial population growth, large increases in our housing stock, major expansion in transport infrastructure, changed farming practices, more intensive development and climate change have placed increasing pressures on our natural heritage. The issue is sustainability.

Increased funding for heritage protection will ensure that, as Ireland continues to develop, the quality of our environment will not be compromised. Recently, I announced a funding package amounting to almost €25 million to support built heritage projects in 2008. The capital provision represents a record increase of 42% on the capital amount spent in 2007. Almost €7 million will be spent on architectural protection grants administered by the local authorities, an increase of 17% on the amount spent in 2007. Funding for civic structure grants will more than double from €1.9 million in 2007 to €4.4 million this year, with a new grants scheme of €1.9 million to support works on churches of significant architectural importance. An allocation of €7 million, an increase of almost 30% on the amount allocated in 2007, is being made to support works on properties in State care, while an allocation of more than €6.1 million is being made to fund works on properties not in State care - much of this investment will be channelled through the Heritage Council.

Investment of the kind we are making is vital to safeguard our important architectural heritage. The increased level of funding this year underlines the Government's commitment in this area. I am confident the package of funding measures will encourage an integrated and multidisciplinary approach to built heritage conservation as a whole.

Local authorities continue to face major challenges in meeting the necessary costs of proper landfill operation and aftercare. For this reason in 2008 provision towards the remediation of closed, legal, licensed landfills has increased by 45% to €13.4 million. In addition to the primary aim of waste prevention, the major goal of waste management policy, in accordance with the EU landfill directive, is to reduce our dependence on landfill in favour of more environmentally sound alternatives.

Ireland has made considerable progress in many areas of recycling. Nevertheless, and without question, the most significant challenge that lies ahead is to achieve similar progress with biodegradable waste in order that we will meet the diversion targets set out in the landfill directive. In some areas of biodegradable waste, we are already doing well. For example, recovery rates for wood, paper and cardboard are high. We now need to improve recovery and recycling rates for textiles and organics.

Since 2002 my Department has allocated more than €100 million in capital grants to assist local authorities in the provision of recycling and recovery services. The projects assisted include bring bank networks, civic amenity sites, materials recovery, composting and biological treatment facilities. Between 2002 and 2006 the number of bring banks rose from 1,636 to 1,919, while the number of civic amenity sites increased from 49 to 86, an increase of over75%. We will continue to provide financial support for local authorities with a view to further improving and expanding infrastructural capacity in order to achieve higher levels of recycling.

In 2003 it was estimated that just over 50,000 households had access to segregated collections for organic waste, or brown bin collections, principally in Waterford city and county and Galway city. The provision of such services in all suitable urban and rural areas, as part of an integrated collection system, is a critical element of the national strategy on biodegradable waste. Plans for the roll-out of brown bins are at advanced stage in many local authority areas, including a further 170,000 households by early 2009 at the latest in Fingal and Dublin City Council, in addition to the 37,500 bins already provided by Dublin City Council to date. It is anticipated that segregated collections will be initiated in the Clare-Kerry-Limerick region and further expanded in the south east in 2009. Pilot schemes have also been carried out in other local authority areas, such as Westmeath and Louth. These are ongoing and involve 10,000 households in preparation for more widespread provision of these services. My Department will shortly issue a circular letter to all local authorities seeking implementation, as rapidly as possible, of the measures for the management of biowaste within the various statutory regional waste management plans, including the provision of source separated collections for organic waste

I also anticipate further progress this year on the availability of authorised treatment facilities where members of the public can deposit end-of-life vehicles free of charge. The latest reports from local authorities indicate that, by the end of December last, waste permits had been granted to a total of 79 of 80 facilities to operate as authorised treatment facilities, thereby indicating that my Department's annual output target for 2007 was virtually achieved. Current indications from local authorities are that this number will be exceeded in 2008. In addition, I have recently asked packaging producers to develop a packaging waste prevention initiative similar to the Courtauld Commitment in the United Kingdom and for voluntary measures by producers to address litter from packaging waste. Both initiatives will be progressed this year.

The Environmental Protection Agency's mission is to protect and improve the natural environment for present and future generations, taking into account the environmental, social and economic principles of sustainable development. The agency plays a vital role in helping to ensure a clean environment, encouraging sustainable development and prosecuting offences under the environmental legislation. It also provides essential support in meeting our international commitments, assisting Ireland to attain and demonstrate compliance with EU and wider international environmental targets.

In recognition of the increasing importance of the agency's work and its expanding responsibilities on foot of European and international environmental obligations, I am increasing the Exchequer provision for the Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, by 42% to €39 million. The additional financial resources are essential to ensure that the agency has in place the necessary staff, specialised equipment, accommodation and laboratory space to take on its expanded roles and challenges.

I thank the committee for the opportunity to outline some of the key elements of my Department's 2008 Estimates. It is clear that we have very substantial resources for 2008 and, as the Minister in charge of these resources, I recognise and accept the responsibility for their proper and effective use. My ministerial colleagues in the Department and I will continue to work in collaboration with the local authorities and the Department's various agencies to deliver on our mandate under the Estimates. We will be happy to respond to matters the committee may wish to raise.

I will reflect briefly on developments in the housing market in general and, more specifically, on performance under the range of housing programmes for which I now have responsibility. A reduction in the scale of house building and moderation in house prices have been two of the more obvious developments over the past 12 months. A reduction in house completions from the record level reached in 2006 was inevitable. The exceptional rate of output in recent years was high, even in the context of the very strong level of demand that our recent economic and demographic growth produced. While the slowdown in housing output will impact on economic growth, a transition to a level of housing output that is sustainable and sufficient to meet the needs of our population is desirable to secure a better balance within the construction sector and across economic activity generally.

An aspect of the recent housing market that has been the subject of particular media attention is the moderation in house prices. The tendency to represent the value of owner-occupied houses as a form of asset wealth and, by extension, a potential basis for consumer spending is not a desirable one. Equally, the portrayal of house price adjustment during the past year as a cause for gloom is somewhat misplaced against a background of the very significant house price increases recorded in the previous ten years. A significant portion of that escalation occurred between 2005 and 2006 and the implications were serious, both for housing affordability and the competitiveness of the economy. There should be no hankering after the excitement of the previous few years. Any rational assessment of the market can only conclude that the adjustment to house price reality is essential both for the stimulation of the market in the short-term and for its long-term sustainability.

The annual output statement before the committee sets out some of the top line detail on social and affordable housing performance in 2007 and the targets for 2008. In addition, the housing component of the Estimate details the financial provision for year two of the national development plan. In 2007 a full spend of the available housing budget was achieved with an Exchequer outturn of €1.5 billion. The strong expenditure performance was reflected in output. In total some 8,800 social housing units were commenced and acquired by local authorities, voluntary and co-operative bodies. Some 300 households moved from emergency accommodation to more permanent accommodation. Progress was maintained on the Traveller accommodation programme, with 189 new and refurbished Traveller-specific units provided. In excess of 15,900 households benefited under the range of schemes available to older people and people with a disability to repair and adapt their homes.

The level of delivery of affordable housing was increased, reaching a level of some 3,600 homes. While this was higher than the level achieved in 2006 by some 12%, it falls short of the 5,000 target set for last year. Indications from local authorities suggest that the quantum of homes in progress increased in 2007 providing a basis for further progress on delivery in 2008. In addition, other measures are being pursued to support increased delivery, including the purchase of houses in the market. Future delivery is also being assisted through new guidance and supports for local authorities and others involved in affordable housing, prepared jointly by the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government and the Affordable Homes Partnership.

Progress was maintained on improving the quality of existing social housing through the Ballymun regeneration project, the remedial works scheme and the central heating programme where there were some 5,000 installations. Two regeneration agencies were established to address social and educational disadvantage in certain parts of Limerick and the pace of delivery of the rental accommodation scheme, RAS, accelerated with more than 5,200 transfers from rent supplement.

The housing Estimate before the committee is a statement of intent from the Government that the financial resources are available to continue the work and build on the significant progress made in 2007. In total, more than €1.7 billion in Exchequer finance is available to fund the range of housing programmes during 2008. This is a substantial increase, some 16%, over the 2007 Estimate and demonstrates the Government's determination to honour our Towards 2016 and national development plan commitments. Including the RAS, it is expected that programme output will amount to some 9,000 homes in 2008.

Funding will also be maintained for the provision of accommodation for Travellers and homeless people. The issue of homelessness is high on my agenda and I expect to be in a position to publish a revised strategy to combat homelessness next month. The goal of the new strategy will be the elimination of long-term occupancy of emergency accommodation by the end of 2010. We are also placing a particular emphasis on improving the quality of social housing, which should be on a par with housing generally. New projects will be sustainable and community proofed as part of the project appraisal stage. Greater innovation will be encouraged, building on those initiatives taken already by many local authorities in building sustainable housing. Recommended standards evolve over time and the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government issued new design guidelines for local authorities in 2007. These will be kept under continuous review to ensure that they reflect evolving best practice.

In partnership with local authorities, we are tackling an important programme of regeneration and remedial works to improve the quality of social housing stock over the period of the national development plan. As well as continuing our support for the Ballymun project, I especially wish to support the programme of regeneration in Limerick. As a demonstration of the Government's commitment to the Limerick regeneration programme, an additional €10 million is available in the Estimate for 2008 to support an initial programme of actions in advance of the regeneration master plans being finalised later this year.

Through this year's provisions we will be able to devote a further €50 million to boost activity in the affordable housing sector. Building on the successful market acquisition of housing initiated by the Affordable Homes Partnership, a further programme of purchases will be undertaken this year. In addition, we propose to examine the scope for introducing a new shared equity scheme to replace the current shared ownership option with the aim of offering new opportunities to eligible people to achieve their home ownership ambitions.

We also hope to pilot a new approach - incremental purchase - through which social housing applicants can commence purchase of new social housing on an incremental basis over thirty years. These initiatives form part of a package of measures reflecting the Government's commitment to broaden people's housing choices and offer increasing paths to home ownership to lower income groups.

To support independent occupancy of their own homes by people with a disability and by older people, my Department carried out a review of the operation of the disabled persons grants schemes, the essential repairs grants scheme and the special housing aid for the elderly scheme. Arising from this review, the housing adaptation grant for people with a disability, the mobility aids grants scheme and the housing aid for older people scheme were introduced in 2007. Each scheme provides funding to assist in making the necessary adaptations or improvements to support independent living and involves a more streamlined approach to ensure the most efficient and effective outcomes from the available funding. I am aware of the challenges involved in the implementation of the revised suite of schemes and my Department is working closely with the HSE with a view to resolving these issues as quickly as possible.

Improving the standard of private rented accommodation to ensure the private rented sector offers a desirable, sustainable option for both individuals and families is one of my key priorities as Minister. The PRTB has a key role to play in this and with additional resources recently allocated to the board, bringing overall staffing levels from 26 to 40, I am satisfied that the resources now in place are sufficient to allow it discharge its functions more efficiently and effectively.

Significantly increased resources derived from the proceeds of tenancy registration fees received by the PRTB are also being given to local authorities to carry out their vital role in relation to inspection and the enforcement of standards in private rental accommodation. A sum of €3 million was allocated in respect of 2007, bringing total funding for this purpose since 2004 to approximately €7 million and, on the ground, this additional funding enabled authorities to double the numbers of inspections carried out annually between 2005 and 2007. This funding is increasingly related to inspection performance; half of the 2007 allocation is based on actual inspections carried out and it is proposed to further increase the performance-related proportion of funding in the future.

As I have already said however, my aim is not only to enforce current standards, I want to further improve accommodation standards in the private rented sector. In that context my Department has reviewed the existing standards regulations, in consultation with stakeholders, and as a result I intend to circulate new draft revised regulations by this summer.

There have been major advances in housing over the past decade. The overall supply has increased dramatically and the options open to people seeking to avail of social and affordable housing have improved but much remains to be done and challenges persist.

The longer-term perspective of the NDP and Towards 2016 provides the opportunity for a major transformation of the Irish housing environment. The Government's housing policy statement, Delivering Homes, Sustaining Communities, places a strong emphasis on the need for continuous improvement in delivery and in the quality of private and social housing. As Minister of State with responsibility not just for housing, but also for developing areas, I want to see quality housing built in appropriate locations with proper access to public transport links, open spaces and essential amenities. This will benefit all of Irish society, but especially those households facing disadvantage.

The 2008 housing Estimate will help sustain the considerable progress made in 2007 and move us closer to our 2007-2009 mid term targets for social and affordable housing.

As the Minister, Deputy Gormley, has already mentioned the Estimate before the committee contains €471 million for investment in water services infrastructure this year with €336 million earmarked for local authority water and wastewater schemes and €135 million for the rural water programme, mainly to tackle water quality standards in private group water schemes outside of the main urban areas.

On the wastewater side, our obligations under the EU urban wastewater treatment directive have been a central focus of much of our investment in new infrastructure. As a result, Ireland's compliance with the requirements of the directive for the provision of secondary treatment rose to some 92% at the end of 2007, compared to 25% at the beginning of the last national development plan. I expect full compliance to be achieved well within the lifetime of the current NDP. All remaining schemes required to meet that target are included in the Water Services Investment Programme 2007-2009.

Where drinking water is concerned, we have already welcomed the new more comprehensive approach the Environmental Protection Agency, with its enhanced supervisory role, is taking to measuring and enforcing standards. The agency now focuses not merely on samples of water at the tap, but also looks right back through the production process to see how our plants operate and how water is delivered to consumers. This approach, which places a much greater emphasis on overall security and safety of supply, has identified 339 public water supply schemes where detailed profiling is required from source to tap to ensure consumers have a reliable supply that is consistently of a satisfactory standard.

In the rural water sector, the immediate priority is to upgrade, as soon as possible, those schemes that have their own private sources, such as rivers or lakes, and that fall within the remit of the drinking water directive. The directive applies to all water supplies that serve more than 50 people or are servicing a commercial operation.

The Department and the EPA, in conjunction with relevant local authorities, are working closely together to identify, agree and implement solutions in these cases as quickly as possible. Solutions may range from upgrading treatment facilities to abandoning unsuitable sources or improving operation and maintenance arrangements. Where significant infrastructural works are required, they will be funded by the Department, and we have announced the availability of a contingency funding arrangement for this purpose.

These schemes must be dealt with urgently. Necessary infrastructural works must be fast-tracked and prioritised. The EPA will oversee implementation of all remedial actions as part of its enhanced supervisory function under the 2007 drinking water regulations. This can include enforcement action where the agency does not consider that improvements are being advanced with sufficient urgency.

The €135 million being allocated to the rural water programme this year is at the centre of the strategy to improve water quality for rural consumers and will underpin the completion of the action plan for rural water supplies. The plan, formulated by the national rural water monitoring committee, which advises the Department on rural water policy, sets out a strategy for upgrading all group water schemes covered by the drinking water directive. It identifies a total of 728 privately-sourced group water schemes requiring upgrading to bring them into compliance with the drinking water regulations.

These schemes serve over 88,000 domestic connections and are being upgraded in a variety of ways. Some 227 schemes are getting new water treatment plants through bundled design, build, operate, DBO, contracts; 35 schemes will receive stand-alone water treatment facilities; 168 will have disinfection-sterilisation facilities provided; 202 schemes are either being integrated in the public network or are being taken in charge by county councils; and 96 schemes will decommission poor quality sources of supply and take new connections from local authority public water supply networks.

It would be wrong not to acknowledge the remarkable progress made so far in bringing these schemes up to the required standards. By the end of 2007 works had been completed on 71% of the schemes involved, serving over 69,000 households. Overall, in 2008, it is anticipated that 100 group water schemes serving over 7,000 domestic connections will be completed. Construction is expected to commence later this year on the remaining 109 schemes with completion expected in 2009.

As indicated in the output statement, 85% of group water scheme households were in compliance with drinking water standards at the end of 2007 compared to 75% at the end of 2006 and it is expected that compliance will have risen to 90% at the end of this year. We can, therefore, look forward with real confidence to the group schemes sector soon being able to report full compliance with EU and national drinking water standards.

The increased capital funding for water services in recent years has made a tremendous inroad into the infrastructural deficit that previously existed. The Government's commitment to sustained investment in improving and expanding water services infrastructure is reflected in the €4.7 billion provision in the national development plan, an increase of 27% on the €3.7 billion in the previous plan. Providing good quality water services infrastructure not only enhances the physical environment and service levels to individuals and communities, it also gives us a competitive advantage in attracting inward investment, promoting tourism and in maintaining employment. The 2008 provision will fund a comprehensive work programme, which will enable continued progress to be sustained in this important area of our economy.

In recognition of the sterling work carried out by our fire services personnel and their need for equipment and facilities of the highest standard, during 2007 the provision for fire services was increased by over €3 million or 14% to €25.470 million. This higher level of provision is maintained for 2008 and will allow for the continued momentum of the fire services capital programme and increased funding for training of Fire Services personnel and for fire safety promotion.

In 2007 a record ten fire station projects were completed across the country, and eight were progressed to construction. In 2008 we intend to build on this progress and further enhance the capacity of the fire services throughout the State. The provision of €24 million in 2008 will provide for the completion of five fire station projects and the progression of a further six to construction.

The Fire Services Council provides an excellent service. In 2007, 24 training courses and seminars were attended by almost 600 fire service officers. In 2008, additional training courses will be provided by the council and will include training arising specifically from the implementation of the framework for major emergency management and the fire service change programme.

Fire safety is an important area on which I will place particular emphasis in 2008. The enhanced budget for the promotion of fire safety will be spent on television, radio, on-line and outdoor advertising, printing of public awareness materials and the promotion of National Fire Safety Week in October. In addition to the primary schools fire safety programme, new fire safety campaigns will be developed and implemented.

I welcome the increased provision for the public library capital scheme. The 2008 library capital funding will allow the continuing progression or completion of 33 projects. This will provide 33 new library facilities in various parts of the country, providing resources which will be of benefit to communities for many years to come. Projects completed to date include libraries in Moyross, Abbeyleix and Dooradoyle, with further library projects to be completed in the near future in Clones, Castlebar and Castleisland.

As well as work continuing on current library projects, we will be in a position shortly to announce the launch of a new capital programme for libraries. A new capital expenditure programme will give local authorities the opportunity to re-prioritise their targets to meet the demands of an increasing and varied population.

A new public library policy document, Branching Out - Future Directions, will also be published very shortly. This will build on the many advances in the public library service over the past nine years under the Branching Out policy document. It will set out priorities and recommendations for the future direction of the service. In that context, the capital funding we are providing will support a range of projects including headquarters and branches, mobile libraries and library delivery vans in many parts of the country. It is also proposed to initiate support for the refurbishment and upgrading of existing libraries where appropriate.

As well as supporting library provision for several years, the Department, through various programmes, has been assisting library authorities in the provision of free access to a comprehensive collection of digitised cultural resources. Libraries across Ireland hold significant collections of unique historical material relating to their place over time. The programmes have enabled libraries to make available to their users over the Internet a wide range of local cultural information, maps and photographs. The national sources being made available to everybody through the public library service include Griffith's Valuation, the Ordnance Survey Ireland historical map collection and The Irish Times digital archive. It is positive that our funding has been assisting with the provision of these enhanced services in every public library.

I would like to assure the committee that the provisions set out in the Estimates today are a solid platform for the planned outputs and enhanced quality of services to be delivered in 2008.

I thank the Minister of State. We will now have a statement from the Minister of State, Deputy Hoctor.

I would like to add briefly to the comments of my ministerial colleagues on a number of specific points relating to my role as Minister of State with responsibility for older people.

Much was achieved throughout the course of 2007 to enhance the range of housing supports and services available to the disadvantaged and vulnerable in our society through the following in particular: greater co-ordination of effort between Departments and State agencies to deliver a more integrated management and delivery of housing and related care services for older people; the introduction of the revised suite of grants schemes for people with a disability and older people, as outlined already by my colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy O'Keeffe; and support for the delivery of dedicated accommodation under the capital assistance scheme by voluntary and co-operative bodies.

As set out in the partnership agreement, Towards 2016, the availability of accessible and appropriate housing is a critical factor in enabling older people to live independent lives in the community for as long as possible. The Government is acutely aware of this need and at all times endeavours to aid older people in achieving that.

Sheltered housing is one of the most significant developments in fostering continued independent living among frail or vulnerable older people. In July 2007, on foot of a Government decision on the report of the interdepartmental working group on long-term care, we established a cross-departmental team to develop and oversee policy in respect of sheltered housing for older people and to agree, as a priority, local structures and protocols for integrated management and delivery of housing and related care services. The team is chaired by the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government and involves the Department of Health and Children, the Health Service Executive, the Office for Social Inclusion, local authorities and representatives from my own office.

Significant progress has been made by the team to advance this crucial area and over the course of 2008 it will develop a policy framework on sheltered housing for older people, which will feed into the national positive ageing strategy to be developed by my office. Through this group, I look forward to the development of innovative housing solutions, which will further enhance the quality of life for older people in Ireland today.

The ageing of Ireland's population over the coming decades demands that we have in place a flexible and responsive range of options to support the housing and accommodation needs of older people. The new framework of a housing adaptation grant scheme for older people and people with a disability, introduced on 1 November 2007, is essential in ensuring that older people can be maintained in their own homes for as long as possible.

Crucially, the introduction of the housing aid for older people scheme also facilitates the implementation of a Government decision of February 2006 that a more integrated service can be achieved by transferring the special housing aid for the elderly scheme from the Health Service Executive to the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government and local authorities. Like the Minister of State, Deputy O'Keeffe, I am conscious that the transfer of the scheme poses significant challenges for all concerned but I am confident that once the appropriate resources and arrangements are in place, the new scheme will meet its objectives and applicants will enjoy a better-integrated service.

In terms of the provision of dedicated units of accommodation to meet the needs of older people or people with special housing needs, voluntary and co-operative organisations play a vital role. The majority of the organisations operating in the sector are local community-based organisations, and their role has been facilitated by the provision of generous funding arrangements through the capital assistance scheme. The scheme is administered by local authorities and is making a significant contribution towards the provision of housing for senior citizens. Funding provided under the scheme enabled voluntary and co-operative organisations to complete over 700 units in 2007, and the proposed budget of €130 million will allow for the completion of some 800 units this year.

I will conclude by echoing the remarks of the Minister of State, Deputy O'Keeffe. We have made very significant advances but we are committed to building on these across a range of social housing options and a wide range of accommodation types to meet special housing needs, including those in need of sheltered housing with low-level, on-site supports.

I have never seen so much paper generated by a green Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government.

Always the bitter word.

I thought we would be paperless as time goes on but I have never seen so much paper generated. I am like the former Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds; I am a one-page man.

Would the Deputy prefer if we did not give him the speeches in advance? It is to assist him. We will send it by e-mail in future and--

No. The Minister should not provide us with an annual output statement at a meeting. He should send it to us a few days in advance to allow us read it.

The Deputy got it a few days in advance.

I did not get mine until today.

We have just been told that was circulated weeks ago.

I did not get a copy of it. I would like to be given notice of a week or two weeks.

We will treble check that.

Perhaps something happened in the context of the meeting being postponed. This meeting was to be held some time ago. Perhaps documents got mislaid in my office arising from the postponement. I am not laying any blame but I did not see a copy of the output statement. I do not have the backup available to the Minster who gets things handed to him.

I want to raise a number of issues with the Minister relating to local government. The local government Green Paper the Minister launched last week was a major disappointment. I expected the Minister would identify in that Green Paper the options in regard to powers that will be transferred from the management to the elected member or the directly-elected mayor. I did not see anything in that regard.

I thought the directly-elected mayor of Dublin would be an executive mayor in charge of almost everything but I understand now it will be a directly-elected chairman for a Dublin transportation authority, with planning thrown in, and that the Lord Mayor of Dublin city will remain for ceremonial purposes. That is a new one.

There was no mention of financing of local government even though there is probably a corner in the Minister's Department with many reports on this issue. The Minister did not draw on any of the expertise in those report to indicate his thinking or options regarding the financing of local government into the future. That is the current position in regard to local government reform. We have not made much progress in terms of the current system.

Regarding the gateway fund, I expected this detail to have been announced before now. I hope the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputy John Gormley, will indicate to the committee which projects will be announced and when. These are important announcements concerning the Gateway city.

What fines does Ireland face this year with regard to climate change? When will the Environmental Protection Agency be in a position to inform us about progress or otherwise on the programme for Government target on climate change in 2008? What progress is the Minister making on recycling targets? I refer particularly to packaging and to meetings the Minister had with IBEC. Is he making progress with the business community and bringing them on board to meet their targets? The producers of cardboard and packaging should make a greater contribution instead of charging the consumer for the privilege of buying their goods. The consumer gets the packaging willy nilly with his or her purchases.

I notice a heading in the Estimates, "National Spatial Strategy". I know we have a document but I did not think we had a strategy. Any actions taken in recent years have been at variance with any strategy, particularly those concerning decentralisation. There is a great deal of inadequate planning available to the State.

Regarding water, the Estimates show a 1% reduction for water services in 2008. The document on rural water before the committee indicates that an enormous amount of work requires to be done. I accept there is a challenge with respect to this matter. Several options have been put forward with regard to domestic processed output, DPO, and disinfecting existing pipe networks and schemes. To give some indication of the scale of the challenge for the Minister of State, Deputy Tony Killeen, €200 million is required in investment in group water and village sewerage schemes in my home county, Kilkenny. Public representatives of all parties are deeply frustrated by the considerable amount of time taken for Departmental approval and by the scale of the process to be undergone to get approval for a village sewerage scheme. There must be a better way of doing that. Perhaps it is a deliberate attempt to slow down the amount of money being allocated but if that is the case the Minister should tell the committee that there is only a certain amount available rather than a rolling fund.

There are still great challenges notwithstanding the progress made in the last plan. The 2003-2006 plan was not successful according to the report on rural drinking water. We expected big things in the 2007-2009 plan so that works could be completed. We must know what the situation is. Negativity is increasing with regard to group water schemes because, as identified in that report, volunteers are not there to take on the task of rolling out or extending group water schemes. I agree with the report's finding that all schemes should be connected to a public water main which should have the required standards.

There is a considerable lack of co-ordination and integration in housing. The Minister, Deputy Gormley, should have a word with the incoming Taoiseach, Deputy Brian Cowen, about what can be done to bring the Heath Service Executive aspect of housing into the remit of his Department. The present policy is not working with regard to homelessness or the way local authorities administer the rent subsidy scheme. The Minister knows the difficulties he already has in implementing a scheme involving the HSE which he believed would be up and running a year ago. The HSE has no money or else it does not prioritise housing. I am not sure that it should have a role in housing. I ask the Minister to examine this issue to see whether all aspects of housing can be dealt with by the Minister of State with responsibility for housing, Deputy O'Keeffe. If a Cabinet decision were made about that matter next week, when Deputy Cowen forms his Government, that might overcome some of the Minister's present problems.

I watched a television programme last night which would not give anybody confidence in the role of the HSE as it deals with homelessness. The problem is one of co-ordination and there must be a strategy to deal with homelessness and housing policy without involving the HSE. That body has developed a bad name in the health sector and I would prefer if it did not develop one in the housing sector as well.

In the private sector housing is at a standstill. I heard what the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Éamon Ó Cuív, said about certain initiatives. Confidence must be restored to the housing market. The number of families facing negative equity is 100,000. It is said that the market is coming back to normality and that prices had been too high but that is not much consolation to people who try to sell a house and cannot get a buyer. The stamp duty regime was reformed too slowly and the Minister for Finance did not go far enough in the last budget in kick-starting the confidence required now in the housing market. Much work must be done to generate that confidence so that first-time buyers who want to get a leg on the property ladder can trust the situation.

The financial institutions have a great deal to answer for, in particular the Central Bank which regularly lectures policy makers for the way in which the housing market overheated in recent years. That is the very organisation that monitors the supply of money to the associated banks. Now that there is a credit crunch the Central Bank is not prepared to intervene other than to say that reins should be kept on money going into the housing market until such time as the storm clears. That again is small consolation to people who want money to buy a house or to those in the construction sector who need confidence restored in their activity.

Local authority starts are substantially down in 2008. Perhaps the Minister might let us know the precise figure envisaged for the starts for each local authority this year. In November he announced the revised schemes for housing aid for the elderly and for grants for the disabled person but no money for these has yet been allocated to the local authorities. Many applications are coming in but when will there be an announcement? It is a fine thing to have a scheme but there is no budget yet for any local authority to implement the scheme. When will the Minister announce allocations to local authorities? There is much interest in that scheme.

If I can be briefly parochial, I am disappointed that the city library in Kilkenny is not under construction. This matter was announced before the 1999 local elections. We will probably get another batch of local elections out of it. Perhaps the Minister of State, Deputy Killeen, could look that matter up for me along with the fire station in Graiguenamanagh in County Kilkenny. The members will understand that I must try to be re-elected. I welcome the 12% increase in the budget of the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government as indicated by the Minister but within that Departmental budget a number of issues require more emphasis than we have seen to date.

I will attempt to answer Deputy Hogan's questions except for the difficult ones which I will re-direct to my ministerial colleagues. The Deputy knows only too well that the Green Paper on local government reform sets out options. He claims that the Department does not set out the powers that will be held by a directly elected mayor with executive power for Dublin. That is not the case. Had the Deputy attended the press conference where I was asked about that he would know I was quite explicit on the matter. I do not envisage a mayor having powers with respect to the Garda Síochána or in the areas of education or health. I gave a list, also contained in the Green Paper, of areas such as waste, planning, transport, as mentioned by the Deputy, waste water services and all matters concerning water. Those are appropriate areas for the functions of a directly-elected mayor for this city. We must have a discussion about that. Perhaps the Deputy and his party would prefer a more enhanced role--

We will have two mayors.

We would have the same situation as in London, which would be my preference. The idea behind the Green Paper is that we have a debate about this. Historically there is an office already in place, that of Lord Mayor of this city, which has a tenure of one year. I held the office once. It makes sense that the office would continue, as it does in London. There is a Lord Mayor of London who is not the mayor and that is an important role as well. The mayor of this city could be the mayor of all four local authorities, which is my clear preference. There are other options in the Green Paper, one of which is that it could extend beyond that. However, I believe my preference would be the optimal solution. There are also cathaoirligh of the various local authorities. Again, in London there are chairpersons of the various boroughs. They continue in place and the mayor of that city must work with the boroughs. In fact, not only must the mayor work with the boroughs, he must also work with the elected assembly.

It sounds like a Cabinet compromise.

There is no Cabinet compromise, but I am encouraged--

It sounds like it.

Many of these ideas are my own. I have thought about this because I have come up through the ranks.

That worries me.

I have examined it and I have spoken to my colleague in London. Some of our Labour Party colleagues here are out canvassing for him at present, and I wish them well, as I said at the press conference. I believe it offers a blueprint for what we can achieve in this city. I hope we will have a vigorous debate about the issues which have arisen.

The Deputy also asked about finance. The options are set out in a single chapter on finance in the Green Paper but I also want to hear the Deputy's ideas about finance.

I will tell the people, not the Minister.

The Deputy should tell me because he has an input on this.

The Minister had all the answers last year. He surely has not forgotten them all in 2008.

I have always said I am a listening Minister and I am anxious to hear what the Deputy has to say.

The Minister has definite views.

The Deputy can have an input into this. I want to hear the Deputy's views on the funding of local government. At the launch of the Green Paper we heard ideas from the people present. The chambers of commerce had certain ideas, while members of the Labour Party put forward the idea of a tax on hotel bedrooms. At least they put forward an idea. I have not yet heard Fine Gael's or the Deputy's ideas.

The Minister should not worry about that. We want to know the Minister's ideas.

Those ideas will be brought forward. They are being considered at present by the taxation commission. I will have an input into that and people can offer their ideas.

We will not waste in the manner the Minister and the previous Fianna Fáil-Progressive Democrats Governments wasted over the last ten years.

We have seen what happened with electronic voting and the several other overruns that occurred. The one thing we would do in Government is get rid of the dud machines.

That is the big Fine Gael idea for local government reform. I will note it. The Deputy asked about the gateway innovation fund. I agree that it is very important. We did not want too much political input into it. We wanted the projects to be decided in an objective manner and a number of criteria were set down. We called on consultants to examine it and they have completed their work. It is now due to be analysed by us. I have not looked at all the projects but I am anxious to ensure that the process is completed properly and that we adhere to the criteria. It was be decided on the basis of the best projects--

Will it be one or two months?

I cannot give a definitive date but I believe it will be within the next month. The Deputy also asked about the level of fines under our Kyoto Protocol commitments. There are no fines. As the Deputy knows, the Kyoto period is 2008 to 2012. We will undoubtedly meet those commitments and, because of the work we are doing now in Government, we will undoubtedly meet the more arduous targets that have been set for the period up to 2020. If agreement is reached in Copenhagen in 2009, and I am confident it will be, we will face a huge battle up to 2020. However, we will comply with our Kyoto commitments for 2008 to 2012.

The Deputy asked about the EPA. The agency will produce its results. We rely hugely on the Environmental Protection Agency, which I why I allocated a substantial increase in its budget. The agency reported on 15 January 2008 that national emissions were approximately 25.5% above 1990 levels in 2006. This was a reduction of 0.8% on 2005 levels. I will mention some of the issues that emerged from the 2006 inventory. There was a substantial decrease of 4.6%, almost 750,000 tonnes, from energy generation, mainly due to the refurbishment works by the ESB at Moneypoint power plant. Emissions from agriculture continued their downward trend - the Deputy raised this matter with me on Question Time in the House - and are approximately 1.4%, or 270,000 tonnes, lower than in 2005 as a result of lower sheep and cattle numbers, coupled with the reduced use of fertiliser.

Transport continues to be the most difficult sector. Transport emissions increased by 5.2%, which is an increase of almost 680,000 tonnes. That reflects the sustained increase in fuel consumption, with petrol usage up about 3.4% and, most interestingly, diesel consumption up 7.9% from the previous year. Emissions from other sectors, that is, residential, industry and waste, showed almost no change from previous years. We rely heavily on the expertise of the EPA and I am grateful to it, as well as to my officials, whose support is important.

With regard to recycling rates, we have increased them substantially across all sectors. I will outline what the targets were and what we achieved. We set a target of approximately 87,000 tonnes capacity and we achieved 93,000 tonnes of waste recovery and recycling capacity. This was funded by the Department. With regard to the WEE initiative, we exceed the EU target of 4 kg of items collected per inhabitant by at least 50%, with 7.4 kg of waste electrical and electronic equipment collected per inhabitant. It represents an 85% increase above the EU target for 2008 of 4 kg. The Deputy asked if I had met with representatives of the packaging industry. I had a very productive meeting with them recently and they have agreed to the challenge I put to them. I mentioned the Courtald agreement in the UK and they have now come forward with their own version of that agreement. They said they might call it the "Gormley agreement" but I said I did not want it named after me. I believe it will be most successful.

With regard to the national spatial strategy, it is certainly a priority that we achieve good planning. One of the reasons for issuing the residential guidelines was to secure proper planning. I have told the local authorities on numerous occasions that their planning decisions must be evidence based and based on the regional planning guidelines and the spatial strategy. It might be a diluted spatial strategy but we have a strategy and it must be followed.

Deputy Hogan made a point about water services. One of the most important points here is that the 2007 outturn includes a €50 million supplementary budget that arose during the year and the provision for 2008 is up on the estimate of 2007. I will let my colleagues deal with the other questions on water services and housing.

I will deal with the lack of co-ordination between the HSE and the Department. In devising a homelessness strategy on the last occasion we were conscious that joined-up thinking and joined-up action had to be part and parcel of that so that any homeless entity put in place was based on the need for such a facility. We had discussions with the HSE prior to putting in place the two facilities we are talking about, namely, the 17-bed facility where seven beds are in operation and the new one in James's Street. We were given an understanding that the HSE would put in place a service contract. We are responsible for the capital project and for the ongoing everyday capital funding of it.

One must bear in mind that there is an extremely important element in all of this, namely, the care aspect because the people using homeless accommodation will have a multiplicity of difficult ailments that must be treated in a particular way. The HSE indicated when these projects were in place that it did not have the funding to service them. I had a good meeting with the deputy director of the HSE five or six weeks ago when I indicated the difficulties we were facing and the absolute necessity for funding to be provided. Only yesterday the Minister, Deputy Gormley, met the Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Harney, to deal with this issue of funding and the absolute need to provide care services in those entities. There will be a further meeting tomorrow and, indeed, I will meet the Minister of State, Deputy Carey, in the morning about funding. There is joined-up thinking but it is a question of asking all the entities to ensure that the funding is in place when it is required.

The fact that the Minister of State must meet the HSE indicates clearly that there is not joined-up thinking. I ask the Minister, Deputy Gormley, to ensure that the HSE has nothing to do with housing.

Even if one were to take housing out of the equation and into our Department, there is still the element of care and providing a service contract.

It is a separate issue.

It is not, it is an issue that is vital in dealing with the support--

It is a community care issue.

--and it is the central issue in terms of support for people who are homeless and trying to move them into independent living. The care element is central to it.

We are hopeful that we can come to some arrangement on funding provision for those facilities because the assessment has been carried out and we are well aware of the need. I hope we will see some progress on this issue.

On the private housing sector, given that house prices in the private sector went up 28% over an 18-month period, all of us would agree that there is scope for price reduction in the housing market, and this is welcome from the point of view of affordability.

There are two elements to what has happened. First, in 2007 financial institutions were giving out 100% mortgages and perhaps more. At the time the then Minister of State at the Department, Deputy Noel Ahern, wrote to each of the financial institutions indicating the difficulties that would arise from such mortgages being put in place and the possibility of inflation etc. They were warned that exactly what happened would happen and they did not take any notice of it at the time. It is difficult to understand that financial institutions which were giving 100% mortgages 12 months ago are now giving 80% mortgages and not taking account of overtime, commissions, etc., and that there is a credit restriction. To be active in this area, we met the Irish Bankers Federation to point out that we are not happy with the situation where affordability is an issue for people who want to get on the ladder and credit restriction is becoming a difficulty, even through it has been proven that they would be well able to meet those commitments.

We are continuing to increasing dramatically the investment in public housing through affordable and social housing. For instance, in 2007 we had the highest number of starts and completions of social and affordable housing in over a decade. Significant progress is being made in the housing sector.

What is the Department doing this year?

I hope to announce at the end of this week the moneys to be allocated to the local authorities for this year. That will again show a fairly significant increase which will allow them to go ahead with the projects under way and look at other projects that can be brought on stream towards the end of 2008.

We are quite happy that we have consulted widely with the local authorities. We have carried out an assessment of their needs and what exactly they can achieve, and we have based the allocations on the requirements they have set out. That is important because there is no point in allocating money to local authorities if they have not got the capacity to deliver. We are waiting for them to give us an indication of what their priorities will be for 2009 so that we can give them an indication of what their budget might be to meet the targets they set for themselves.

On the grants, I hope we will be in a position to announce funding for those grants within the next couple of weeks. The delay has been due to the fact that we asked the local authorities to make available to us all applications they had on hand and their requirements, and we want to assess those needs and tailor the allocations accordingly.

How many applications has the Department received and what is the financial volume involved?

I do not have that information available to me.

Perhaps the Minister of State will send it to me.

The applications are being assessed at present and the allocations will be based on those assessments.. The information will be made available to the Deputy.

It will be 20% of the amount of the applications.

That information will then be public knowledge.

I wish to share time with Deputy Joanna Tuffy.

Given the length of the replies, I am almost afraid to ask a question here this afternoon. The absence of content certainly leaves me reluctant to ask a question.

While I will focus on a number of issues, I take on board what the Minister stated about performance indicators, which are a core value to any aspect of local government, particularly in the context of providing a budget and assessing what we get for our buck.

I note the provision for the fire service. We held a significant debate on this issue in the autumn of last year following the Bray tragedy and it showed that there was a need for structural re-examination of the fire service. At that time the Minister took on board the view that he should do this and bring forward proposals to the House. In the context of that tragedy and of ongoing safety for the future, one must question the way the fire service is being funded, whether that is creating an efficient and measurable service and, more importantly, whether it gives the safest service possible. The Farrell Grant Sparks report states a national fire authority should be established. One can refer to all the other recommendations in that report but the most fundamental one has not been taken on board and such an authority has still not been put in place.

It is somewhat disappointing that funding for library services has, to a degree, flatlined this year. Library services throughout the country, particularly in my constituency of Cork South-Central, have been transformed in recent times. Libraries are no longer merely buildings that store books, they are now host to many community activities. I would like further funding to be provided in order to encourage such activities.

The funding for disability services has also flatlined. In view of the fact that the concept of local government reform is underpinned by the improvement of and greater access to services, I hope the position in this regard will be reconsidered.

I welcome the establishment of the auditing committees. It is worth nothing that 33 of the 34 local authorities seem to have fallen into line with what has been laid down in this regard.

The two key points I wish to make relate to the disabled person's grant scheme and housing standards. Given that there is confusion, perhaps the Minister of State might clarify a number of points. Last November a statutory instrument designed to remove from the HSE responsibility for funding for housing improvements under the disabled person's grant scheme and confer it on local authorities was passed by the House. The HSE continues to operate the housing aid for the elderly scheme. As the signals in respect of this matter appear to be mixed, perhaps the Minister of State will clarify the position.

The Minister of State is a great man for seeking suggestions and I propose to put one to him now. In my experience - I am sure it is that of the Minister of State and other members - the disabled person's grant is, by and large, accessed by elderly people seeking improvements to their homes in order that they can continue to live in their communities. That is the basic concept behind the scheme and how it should operate. The difficulty is, however, that many elderly people become bamboozled by the amount of paperwork they are obliged to complete. They are also obliged to obtain estimates from builders, factories and bathroom appliance companies. I suggest funding should be ring-fenced in order that elderly people who are disabled or who are caring for disabled relatives can be provided with assistance in this regard. Perhaps local authorities might put in place a service to assist them in completing forms and obtaining estimates.

There are ongoing difficulties regarding the HSE and housing. In the form of what was intended as a short-term measure to deal with the problem of homelessness, the HSE is providing a long-term housing strategy. Problems have arisen because standards are not being implemented, the activities of landlords are not being monitored and legislation has not been put in place to counter anti-social behaviour. The relevant scheme was explicitly established to deal with homelessness. As long as it remains within the remit of the HSE, the problems to which I refer will continue to obtain. I pursued this matter when I served as chairperson of the regional health forum, south. The HSE has no statutory role in investigating anti-social behaviour or monitoring whether landlords comply with guidelines on housing standards.

Is the Deputy referring to the rent supplement scheme?

Yes. I wish to comment on an issue with which the Minister of State may be more familiar, namely, standards. From what was stated earlier and at Question Time last week, it is apparent that the figures relating to inspections are being juggled. The Minister of State should consider the position in the Cork County Council area, particularly as it relates to Ballincollig, the town in which he resides.

There has been a marked improvement in the area.

The Minister of State should cease interrupting. As regards the juggling of figures, the truth is that the number of inspections has plummeted since 2004. In 2006, the most recent year for which figures are available, only 8,364 homes were inspected. This is despite the fact that over 130,000 homes were registered with councils throughout the country. The rate of registration increased by almost 600% in the past four years. The level of inspections may have increased by 7%, particularly if we compare one year to another. However, when one considers the rise in the number of registrations, it is apparent that the figures are being juggled in order to make it seem that there has been a corresponding rise in the number of inspections. The reality is that the number has plummeted.

Reference was made to performance indicators. The Minister of State should be bringing local authorities to book. He indicated that €3 million was allocated to them. That is not the case. All he did was transfer to the local authorities the money the Private Residential Tenancies Board brought in through its registration process. This is a revenue raising exercise. Money is collected and specifically ring-fenced for inspections but such inspections are not being carried out.

I am concerned that so few legal actions were initiated against landlords. Not one of the 29 county councils initiated such an action, this is despite the fact that 1,400 houses in their areas were identified as being substandard. We are identifying houses that are substandard but not pursuing prosecutions. In some instances follow-up inspections do not take place of these properties.

Cork is the largest county in Ireland but the council there only carried out two housing inspections in 2006. The figures for my constituency, Cork South-Central, might be better but there are still difficulties with them. Some 750 houses were found to be non-compliant with standards but prosecutions were not pursued and there were no follow-up inspections. The Minister of State referred to the provision of funding and the need for performance indicators. One must query the position in this regard, particularly in the light of the fact that the buck stops with the Department which is, after all, responsible for disbursing the funds.

The Minister has indicated that planning is one of the issues his Department is tackling. It is important to get matters right in this respect. The Government and those that will succeed it face a major task in tackling problems that have arisen on foot of bad planning decisions. They will be obliged to deal with difficulties relating to urban sprawl, poor public transport links, traffic congestion and the lack of school places. Long-term costs are going to arise in putting matters right. Difficulties will also have to be addressed in dealing with people who have been pushed into segregated communities in which good facilities are lacking and where education is not promoted. There is also the problem of poor child care provision.

The previous Government which comprised Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats introduced the SDZ model which is supported by the Labour Party. The schemes at Adamstown and Clonburris in my constituency provide good examples of how this model can be applied to planning. It is interesting that the Green Party's councillors voted against both projects but I am aware that the Minister supports them.

The Minister recently referred to reforming the planning guidelines and indicated that he might change the wording in the relevant legislation from "shall have regard to" to "must be in compliance with". The councils will continue to ignore him unless he includes a specific wording in the Planning and Development Act. This was done in respect of strategic developments and the relevant section in the legislation sets out exactly what should be included in an SDZ planning scheme. If the Minister wants to ensure construction will not take place on flood plains or in flood hazard areas, he must stipulate, in agreement with the OPW, that houses cannot be built in these places.

The Minister has placed climate change at the top of the agenda and it has been afforded equal billing with the environment. In many ways, that is a positive development, as this is a serious issue. Climate change has major implications, particularly in the context of what needs to be done, what will be the economic cost, etc. I agree that we have a shared responsibility in this regard. The Minister, in placing so much emphasis on climate change, is losing sight of the more central issues related to protecting and enhancing our environment, quality of life, sustainable development, equality and social justice. Climate change should be incorporated into those issues because it is not the main issue. That is why the Minister has problems putting biofuels before people's food needs. Sight can be lost because the issue then becomes about targets which become ends in themselves. Ireland will reach its targets, according to the Minister's carbon budget, by buying carbon credits with no reduction in carbon emissions unless a dramatic change occurs in policy on public transport and so on.

This is very much put in perspective by the advertising campaign on climate change, for which €15 million is allocated. I do not oppose an advertising campaign but I wonder how worthwhile it is. This promotes the notion of the burden on the individual and individual responsibility to change consumer habits in order that they buy greener products but what is needed is investment in public transport. Dublin Bus and Bus Éireann are being told to take buses off the road because they are being turned down for licences. A green Minister should prioritise such an initiative or good water quality, which is more important in many ways. One third of our water supply is suspect and needs to be addressed.

A national waiver scheme should be implemented as part of waste management policy. The Green Party thought that when it was in Opposition. More needs to be done about the protection of birds and biodiversity. A sum of €30 million is allocated for remediation of landfill sites and €46 million for the national parks and wildlife service, NPWS. Biodiversity is as important as climate change. If the Minister invests in this, protecting designated sites and in the Natura 2000 network, he will increase the resilience of the environment to climate change. Adaptation is another issue. The Minister should put more pressure on to deliver the adaptation strategy in order that local authorities have guidelines and can commence the work to put in place measures to address climate change. The implementation of the flood relief report published a few years should be given absolute priority. All these initiatives will help to address climate change and they are more important because people will suffer if the appropriate adaptation measures are not put in place fairly.

The Minister referred to the British agreement, the Courtauld Commitment. It is nice but the Government needs to examine the strategy on packaging regulations. Repak does a great deal of good work but the system does not encourage the prevention of waste because most businesses buy their way out of having to take back waste from the public by registering with Repak. Where is the encouragement to prevent waste? The British agreement only involves a few businesses and it is voluntary. There is an element of greenwash about it because the businesses will maintain their increased production of packaging but they look good by signing up to such an agreement.

Much more needs to be done about waste. Ireland is about to be referred by the European Commission to the European Court of Justice about its failure to comply with the landfill directive, while the Minister anticipates many fines regarding environmental protection. Such issues should be central to his agenda and, in this regard, he must allocate more funding, resources and staff to local government. They have not been addressed in the Estimate.

I will reply to Deputy Tuffy's question while my colleagues will reply to those of Deputy Lynch.

Deputy Tuffy made a number of constructive suggestions in her contribution and I will take them on board when we make these important changes to the planning code. I do not agree with her assertion that while climate change is important, it is not the most important issue, because it is the overarching issue.

The environment is the overarching issue.

No, climate change is. The Deputy referred to biodiversity. Studies have been conducted by the experts, which highlight that climate change will have a significant effect on biodiversity. There will be a 20% reduction in species because of climate change and that cannot be ignored. The issue also cannot be ignored in the provision of water services because precipitation will decline in some parts of the country. Climate change will not only happen in the future; it is happening right now. If we are to prevent the worst effects of climate change, we must act now. We are experiencing the effects of climate change now and that is the message I must get across. It will affect the environment and sustainability and, therefore, it is the overarching issue but it is wrong of the Deputy to suggest I am off on a whim regarding biofuels. There are downsides to biofuels but if we proceed in the correct way, they have potential. EPA experts have addressed this committee and the Joint Committee on Climate Change and Energy Security. There is potential in second generation biofuels to provide a solution, particularly in the running of public transport.

We are all in this together, be it the Opposition or Government parties, because the Deputy will be faced with same scenario if she is in Government in the future.

Will emissions not have reduced by then?

Emissions are being reduced but the scale of the challenge requires a constant effort. The job is ongoing. The European Commission is seeking a 20% reduction in emissions, which will probably become 30% by Copenhagen in 2009, and that is difficult by any standard. We are projecting forward to 2020 and many Governments may be in power between now and then. All of them will have to step up to the plate.

There is no point adopting a stance on this for political gain because it is in nobody's interest. It is not in the Deputy's interest because the people are engaged and they understand the issue. I make absolutely no apology for the money I am investing in the awareness raising programme because that is the first action we must take. We must inform people this is a problem. It is the greatest challenge facing humanity and this country. The other issue is peak oil and our dependency on imported fossil fuels. These are major issues, which will define the way we live and define the way we deal with the attendant economic crisis and the credit crunch. All these issues are interlinked and this is why it is important people understand that point.

The Deputy mentioned the protection of birds. Significant advances have been made. I am designating SACs and SPAs at a rapid rate. Members of the Deputy's party have asked me to reconsider a number of these decisions. If her party is interested in the protection of birds, it should come on board and work with my Department because my officials in the NPWS are going out of their way.

The fines issue will be difficult. We could face fines under the birds directive but we are not facing fines under the landfill directive because we have until 2010 to address this issue. However, unless we can make a major move in diversion from landfill, we will have a very difficult task. I will be doing everything I can to ensure that does not happen. It is imperative that we continue to roll out the brown bins and that we get more MBT facilities and more composting.

I would not pooh-pooh the Courtauld agreement and Repak. I have had discussions with Repak and we are well on the way to increasing our packaging recycling and to ensuring the local authorities benefit to a greater degree from the contributions to Repak, which is very important. It is also important for industry to have some certainty as to the direction of Government policy. We are providing that certainty. I have met representatives of Repak and industry to convey the message that we are heading in a new direction.

I will ask the Minister of State, Deputy Killeen, to answer the questions on performance indicators, fire service and libraries.

When I was here previously I spoke about the consultation process that was under way to advance the fire service situation, which is still under way. Some of the stakeholders are slower in providing submissions than I had hoped. If it had moved at the pace I had hoped, I would have more progress to report at this stage. I am almost losing patience with some of them. In a spirit of partnership we need to have the stakeholders on board and I am encouraging them to come back with submissions. Regarding capital funding, the kind of progress made in the past four or five years in upgrading fire stations and providing equipment has been very impressive. I do not have concerns on that front. Obviously on the other front we need to move it forward.

On library services, we hope to launch the document, Branching Out - Future Directions, in the next month or so. It will reflect the change in the nature of the service that Deputy Ciarán Lynch mentioned. It is important to take account of that. The library service is making a very different contribution to community activity than it did in the past, which we want to encourage.

Deputy Tuffy spoke about designating flood hazard areas, which I believe needs to be considered under the adaptation strategy. It is a very constructive suggestion of which we would do well to take account.

I thank Deputy Ciarán Lynch for giving me the opportunity to deal with the area of inspections. We need to get this right once and for all. I listen intently to the Deputy even when he is wrong

The Minister of State does not listen to me too much.

In 2006 local authorities carried out 9,835 inspections. In 2007 we expect that figure to exceed 14,000. Prosecutions are always a last resort.

The Deputy will note that the scheme provides that if the property is not up to standard a warning notice is given. Generally the experience, based on the results of the survey that was carried out, seems to suggest that people react to such warning letters. The Centre for Housing Research carried out a survey and found the level of inspection resulted in a marked improvement in the standard of accommodation. I accept that there is variable performance across local authorities. I am returning money to local authorities on the basis of inspections carried out because of the variation among local authorities. I want to reward those local authorities that are carrying out legitimate inspections by providing them with money to ensure they continue.

We often hear that power should be devolved to local authorities. Regarding the local authorities that are not performing in this area, it begs the question as to where the councillors are. Why are they not taking issue with their county or city manager over the number of inspections being carried out? They have an absolute role to play. We are not micro-managers. We have devolved that power to them and it is their business to do that. In order to put further pressure on local authorities from 2008 inspection will be a service indicator against which we will judge the performance of local authorities.

The Deputy mentioned the number of inspections being carried out. More than 200,000 residencies are registered and in 2007 approximately 14,000 inspections were carried out, which represents approximately 7%. One third of housing in Ireland has been built in the past ten years. Some 700,000 residential units were built in that ten-year period. We are absolutely certain that 100,000 of those are in the private rented sector. The Centre for Housing Research issued protocols to the local authorities. There is no point in them sending inspectors to inspect houses that are of the highest standard. The centre has indicated to local authorities those particular properties they should inspect so that we can get the maximum return and ensure the landlords bring those properties within the regulations. The Deputy will be aware that it is my intention to improve the regulations on private rented accommodation.

I return to Cork. Two inspections were carried out by Cork County Council in 2006. This example makes my case because in 2007 that council carried out 347 inspections. In 2008 that figure will increase further. The incentive for local authorities to carry out inspections is working.

May I come back?

Very briefly. I want to call Deputy Bannon.

I would like the Chairman to acknowledge that I had less time than other speakers did. I welcome the comments of the Minister of State. He has revised his position on each of the three occasions I have questioned him about this matter. On the last occasion when answering parliamentary questions he acknowledged he had made an error in his previous contribution.

Yes, the Minister of State did. He should look at his officials' report. The first time I asked him about the matter he did not even know the report existed. It was subsequently that he started referring to it. There is a difficulty at a local level. However, the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government is funding it. I welcome the announcement the Minister of State made this evening that it will become a performance indicator which is a remarkable breakthrough considering what he said the other times I spoke to him. I thank him for that.

The registration of properties has increased by 600% between 2004 and 2006. Many tax incentives were introduced by the Minister of State's party and many developers who fund his party made considerable money during that period. The focus appeared to be on the bricks and mortar, and on builders and developers. However, many residents ended up in accommodation that was less than satisfactory. Registrations did not increase to match the number of houses coming on the market. The new houses that were built are not the ones we are talking about. We are talking about housing that has been on the market for some time. I ask the Minister of State to review the figures with his officials later this afternoon. No follow-up inspections are taking place.

Without meaning to be parochial, I will use the case of Cork City Council as an example of the problem. In 2006 the council inspected 780 of 8,364 dwellings, of which 351 failed the inspection. The figures show that the combined number of inspections and follow-up inspections was 780, which means effectively that no follow-up inspections were carried out. Landlords must be given an opportunity to rectify the position because the private rental sector has filled a void left by the Government's failure to provide accommodation in the rental sector. The record shows that local authorities which are funded by the Department are not reinspecting properties which failed initial inspections to determine whether improvement works have been carried out.

I am trying to make a constructive point regarding climate change. In common with the Minister, I believe climate change is a serious issue which must be addressed. However, making it the overarching issue has a distorting effect. We used to talk about the need to have a good environment and public transport system to provide access, reduce congestion and improve air and water quality. Due to the debate on climate change, substantial action is not being taken to improve the poor public transport service. The Minister envisages that reductions in carbon emissions will not be achieved before 2012 when a new Government will be in office. The debate is dominated by discussion of targets. A sum of €15 million will be spent on an advertising campaign, yet only €46 million has been allocated to the national parks and wildlife service. If one wants to protect biodiversity from climate change, one must allocate funding towards its protection. The money spent on an expensive advertising campaign would be better spent in this area. I am not knocking the idea of having an advertising campaign but making a comparison.

If climate change is the overarching issue, the need for better, cleaner public transport becomes self-evident.

Where does it feature in the Government programme?

Some weeks ago, I was attacked by some of the Deputy's colleagues for not sanctioning a cycling officer in Dublin City Council. The decision to sanction the position did not receive the same headlines as the original story but that is life.

The increase in the allocation for the national parks and wildlife service is nearly 37%, a substantial figure which will help it do its job and secure better compliance and enforcement. Making climate change the overarching issue ensures everything else is defined through this priority.

To return to the issue of the cycling officer, the first ever recorded increase - 17% - in the number of people cycling in Dublin city was achieved last year. In many cases, political will as opposed to money is needed. The sustainable transport plan issued recently by the Minister for Transport cites as an example Copenhagen where 34% of the population cycle to work. The Danish capital's ambition is to increase the current figure to 40%. Dublin is in an ideal position but we must address the issue of HGVs which make cycling difficult. One of the reasons cycling has increased was the decision to remove many HGVs from the city centre. We must also reduce traffic speeds. In other words, we must create a cycle-friendly environment in the city. My colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Batt O'Keeffe, will be aware of this necessity because we sometimes meet on Ringsend bridge which he crosses on foot while I cross by bicycle.

The Minister has converted me.

He is safer crossing the bridge on the footpath than I am cycling on the road.

If one wants to reduce carbon emissions, one must make a political investment in a modal shift, that is, moving from the car to the bicycle and bus. This requirement informs the proposal to appoint a directly elected mayor as chair of a transport authority. Such a move would achieve unimaginable progress.

The Department of Transport is compelling Dublin Bus to remove buses from the roads. The Minister should try to cycle from Lucan into Dublin. It is a difficult and dangerous task, albeit one which people perform.

Options are available and I have no doubt we must improve bus services in the city. A recent, excellent meeting in the Mansion House organised by the Environmental Protection Agency attracted 900 people. The main issue raised in the context of climate change was public transport, specifically issues such as the need for integrated ticketing, safe cycling and so forth. These issues were repeatedly raised by an educated audience who were aware of the realities in this city. If we want to enhance quality of life and create a more civilised city, we must make investments in public transport and other modes of transport, including walking and cycling. This would also tackle the biggest issue facing us, namely, climate change.

I will quickly respond to Deputy Lynch's comments because it is important that I am seen to be listening to a Deputy from Cork. I accept the need to study closely the initiative he cited. If inspections find problems, it is important to ensure they are rectified. As the Deputy will accept, some of the problems identified during inspections are minor, while in other cases an architect's report is submitted indicating the problem has been rectified, thus making a second inspection unnecessary. I will ask Cork City Council to report on the issue raised by the Deputy. I will also provide that the service indicator will include providing assurance that a follow-up inspection takes place

A signing off process is required.

Yes, that is important in bringing the overall scheme to completion. I will make such provision.

I welcome the Minister's statement that he is saving the country a fortune in using his bicycle rather than State cars which consume a considerable amount of fuel. Given that the country extends beyond the Pale, it is important he keeps his eye on developments elsewhere. For example, the Government's performance in the provision of sewerage schemes in small towns and villages is appalling. Local authorities have been starved of finance.

I opened a sewerage scheme in the Deputy's area recently. He attended the event.

The Minister should visit my parish to see what is happening.

The Deputy was delighted when I visited his area.

I have raised this issue on numerous occasions. The problem is widespread but particularly acute in the Shannon basin where sewerage schemes in villages in close proximity to the River Shannon are underfunded. I hope the Minister will address the matter.

I welcome the Minister's report on heritage and the allocation of additional funding to this sector. Heritage is an important aspect of the environment and a cornerstone of the tourism industry. Funding has not been made available for this purpose. While the Minister referred to the built heritage, cultural heritage - customs, folklore and so forth - is also very important and needs to be addressed. Historical societies are doing great work but local authorities should play a greater role. Given the inclement weather we experience in the early and latter part of the year, heritage has an important function in extending the tourist season. The Department should give local authorities greater responsibility for the management of our heritage. After all, they compile the county development plans. An important chapter in any county development plan concerns the protection of heritage. It is there in name but not in reality. The local authorities should have a greater role to play in protecting our heritage. We should also encourage the naming of estates throughout the country according to local cultural heritage. Many estates have American names and this should be addressed because we have pride of place. Traditional names and names of townlands are disappearing from the maps and this should also be addressed. There should be greater co-operation between Departments and local authorities in this area.

How many local authorities have a full-time heritage officer? While it is important to have one, a number of local authorities in the midlands region have none. Is there funding available to employ heritage officers?

We referred to the funding of local government. As the Minister is aware, the current system of funding of local authorities is inequitable and riddled with inconsistencies, which is no longer sustainable. The Department needs to address this and also to improve the purchasing policy of local authorities to achieve value for money, promote accountability and secure financial control. With modern IT systems, we should have in place ATM-style facilities for the payment of local authority bills. This should be promoted within local authorities. As everybody knows, the future funding of local authorities is a hot topic throughout the country. The Government has failed to bite the bullet in this area and the problem must be addressed quickly.

Is there a proposal within the Minister's Department to introduce local capital gains tax on rezoned land? I heard some murmuring on this recently.

I understand there is a memo in the Department on the introduction of domestic water rates. We have heard there is an EU directive on this and that the Minister will be acting to introduce a regulation in this regard. Perhaps he will address this issue.

Heritage is very dear to me and I would like to see increased funding for it. Two or three hundred years of heritage cannot be made in a day but it certainly can be destroyed or wiped out in a day. Our history, folklore, language and customs are unique and the Minister has a pivotal role to play in this area. It has been put on the back burner by the Department.

Many of the issues raised by the Deputy are issues for the local authorities. I do not have the exact number of heritage officers. The figure is on the low side, as is the number of arts officers. We do provide funding for the local authorities and encourage them to come on board.

It is not specified in the allocations given to local authorities what proportion should be devoted to arts or heritage.

I was making an announcement in Tipperary recently on preservation orders and the buildings that merit heritage status. I stated there is money available for local authorities and we provide that funding.

Some of the Deputy's questions are in the conspiracy theory area. There is no memo on water rates.

Will the Minister state categorically that he will not be introducing domestic water rates?

We have said time and again that there are no plans to introduce them. At present, we have a derogation, as the Deputy knows.

The Deputy referred to a proposal on capital gains tax. I made it clear that we are trying to introduce a designated lands Bill in the autumn. It is a "use it or lose it" Bill. If one does not use the land one has rezoned, it will lose its rezoned status.

Will there be tax implications for rezoned land that is not used?

The disincentive is that the land must be used quickly so as not to lose its rezoned status. One cannot hoard land in the way it has been hoarded in the past. I hope the provision will serve as an incentive for developers to use their land effectively.

The Deputy stated we ought to name our streets and estates after local landmarks, for example. The fact is that local authorities can set up naming committees for the naming of estates and streets, yet many local authorities do not exercise that power. The Minister of State, Deputy Batt O'Keeffe, stated local authorities have powers in many instances that they simply are not using.

On sewerage schemes, I was in Deputy Bannon's locality and opened a--

One swallow never made a summer.

It is an advance. I always say that as long as one is heading in the right direction, that is the main thing. We certainly are in this Department. Perhaps my colleagues want to answer on the other issues raised.

Perhaps the Minister will forward to the committee, in written form, the number of heritage officers.

Yes, we have no difficulty doing that.

I am encouraged by Deputy Bannon's views on culture. Coincidentally, I spoke last Friday at a conference in Ennis on heritage issues in Clare, a meeting attended by county council members and other interested parties, including the relevant history and community bodies. It was very interesting and the points made by Deputy Bannon today were pretty much those made by attendees at the meeting. Considerable progress is being made. The involvement of the Department in supporting the library service is quite important in terms of preserving buildings. As the Chairman will know, there was a wonderful restoration project on Abbeyleix library. Many libraries are in historical buildings that would probably be too expensive for any body other than the Department to restore. The library service is very important to the preservation of culture. Where there are heritage officers, they have quite a significant impact.

The facts on capital schemes, including water and sewerage schemes, under way last year and this year counter the perception of delays in approvals very strongly. Forty-four schemes were completed last year, 124 were under way and at least another 40 will be completed this year. There will be approximately 60 new starts. The number of schemes under way is therefore dramatically higher than the number that obtained in the past, even as recently as three or four years ago. The complaint in this regard, which we all hear, is not borne out by the facts.

With regard to what the Minister said, our local authorities need to be driven on the projects in question. Approval is sought and funding is sanctioned, yet it takes so long for construction to begin. Where a scheme is approved by the Department and stage 1 is completed, I do not understand why stage 2 cannot be kept in the capital programme of the local authority until it is also completed. I have made representations on a particular scheme but I am informed it is not in the county council's programme. I am wasting my time. Provision should be made that stage 2 be included in the county councils' capital programme so that I can make representations to the Department or the local authority to ensure it is done.

I welcome the proposal to assist local authority tenants to purchase their homes. However, the maximum loan available from a local authority is €185,000. This is not sufficient to allow people to buy a three-bedroom house in County Kildare and it prevents people from purchasing their own homes.

I hope the Minister will not give extra powers to the Environmental Protection Agency while taking them from the local authorities. Local councillors are very well equipped to ensure the environment is protected.

The provision of crèches in rural areas in the past several years has been a great benefit to local communities. Will facilities, such as a small settlement of five houses to accommodate older people, be extended to older people in rural communities? It has worked for child care facilities and there is scope for this to be extended to accommodating older people. I welcome the support from the Department for local communities. I believe money given directly to a local community is money well spent and produces better value for money.

The Minister stated the Department is focusing on existing water and sewerage schemes to bring them up to a particular standard. In parts of County Kildare, wells are contaminated and local people want to repair these through new water and sewerage schemes. However, local authorities are slow to get them off the ground.

More consultation is required with rural communities on special areas of conservation, SACs. While notices concerning SACs are placed in the national newspapers, many people in rural areas do not see them. Officials need to meet the farmers and landowners in question on a one-to-one basis and explain it to them before orders are placed on their properties.

Local authorities often purchase a single house in a housing estate and give it to an undesirable family who cause grave disturbance to neighbours. It leads to anti-social behaviour in estates and is unfortunate for people living in middle-class housing estates.

The EPA has been given an enhanced role and it is not to the detriment of county councillors. Its role is to monitor the activities of the local authorities to ensure they are not polluting. It is only fair that the agency undertakes that role. In giving the body more powers, it must be ensured it has the wherewithal to implement its remit and that is why extra funding and staff have been given to the EPA.

The Deputy made a good point on the provision of services for older people, likening it to the provision made for young families. Such a provision could be included in the residential guidelines under consideration. We tend to focus - I am guilty of this - on playgrounds and crèches. If we want mixed developments and communities to comprise all social strata and ages, we should consider the Deputy's suggestion.

It would be ideal to have one-to-one communication on SACs. However, there is a resource problem and it cannot be done. Local radio is an opportunity to get the message out that certain areas are being designated as SACs.

I suggest that a registered letter be sent to those affected.

We send out letters.

A registered letter takes away the ambiguity.

It leaves us non-plussed on occasions as to how someone cannot be aware of an SAC designation. There should be proper consultation and the Department sets out to do that as thoroughly as possible. An appeals mechanism is in place which is very fair. The Department is dealing with this as quickly as possible because we are facing a serious situation trying to play catch-up on this issue. We have made considerable progress in the designations. I often engage not just with Members but stakeholders on this issue.

There has been a significant reduction in the number of designations in the River Barrow and the River Nore. While the IFA may have brought some pressure to bear on that at the social partnership talks, it may be due to the lack of scientific evidence to justify an original designation.

I said to the National Parks and Wildlife Service that this process must be completed properly as quickly as possible and based on scientific evidence. Serious advances have been made by the service. I would like to hear in more detail about the areas with which the Chairman is concerned. I find it gratifying there is concern about the shrinkage of SACs.

I can give the Minister the full maps.

That would be good. We now have access to the landownership database in the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, allowing more face-to-face contact with landowners, which assists the process.

Expenditure on rural water and sewerage schemes is concentrated on improving water quality. Hopefully, if we can maintain the same level of expenditure, we will be able to deal with the type of schemes Deputy Fitzpatrick mentioned. In general, the view is that it would be better if they were connected to a public supply. Sometimes, as he rightly says, that is not possible, but for the moment we are trying to address the water quality issues arising from the EPA report.

As regards stage 1 being followed by stage 2 in a particular scheme, sometimes we are all mystified by the assessment of needs that leads to particular priorities coming forward from various local authorities. It is the job of the local authority to do the assessment of needs and it is then the job of the councillors to pass the programmes. Until it comes before it, the Department cannot deal with it.

It does not happen with local authorities because they would say the priority is in Athy, Naas or somewhere else. I am talking about a particular village in a disadvantaged area. A few years ago, the Department approved a scheme in a disadvantaged area in Mayo and said it had to be done in three stages. Stage 1 has been done and is working perfectly. There should be a clause inserted whereby the Department insists that stages 2 and 3 should remain within the capital programme until they are completed.

With regard to the mortgages, the €185,000 ceiling is under review within the Department. I point out to Deputy Fitzpatrick, however, that there are five other financial institutions giving mortgages for affordable housing, so people are not restricted to the local authority. However, we accept the Deputy's point and the situation is under review.

In terms of anti-social behaviour and sustaining communities into the future, we are trying to get the social mix right between private, affordable and social. We are trying to update the legislation as regards anti-social behaviour within the local authorities, but it is not easy. It is fraught with a good deal of legal difficulty. It should be remembered that the Criminal Justice Act is in place and the Garda Síochána has powers to deal with that type of behaviour also.

I was hoping the Minister of State would have replied that the county manager has discretion. County managers should have some degree of flexibility and not be so stringent. The same size fits all formula is not relevant when it comes to buying a house. People who do not qualify for a mortgage from the financial institutions he mentioned should have recourse to the local authority as a last resort rather than saying a person will have a ceiling of €185,000 when €190,000 is needed because he or she cannot raise the extra €5,000. There should be flexibility.

They do not have the flexibility the Deputy speaks of, but they can look into the possibility of shared ownership of a property and deal with the question in that manner. We are reviewing the situation and are aware of the problem. We will come back to the Deputy when the review process is complete.

On page 58 of the annual output statement the local government Estimate is lower this year than it was last year. I note that the full amount of the Estimate last year was not spent. Local government officials often complain that they are unable to draw down the money on time in a particular year because they do not have the staff or the capacity and there are all types of procedures. For example, if it is a big capital project, procedures must be gone through, a plan has to be set out and various requirements met. One can relate this back to water quality and the capital projects mentioned by the Minister of State, Deputy Killeen. Some 28 out of 34 local authorities have responsibility for the 339 sites identified by the EPA as needing remedial action. Many of those will need capital works and if they do not have the necessary staff and extra funding - or if the funding is reduced, as the Estimate indicates - how will they be able to deliver on those projects?

The perception of reduction as regards the Estimate arises from the supplementary budget last year. It is a comparison of the end of year outturn figure rather than the initial allocation. In fact, there is an increase in the allocation for this year as against the one for last year. Also, when there is additional monitoring - there has been a dramatic increase in this regard - it is inevitable that occasional scores will arise for some schemes and there will be more frequent difficulties where there is an enhanced monitoring programme.

We have had a very long discussion on the Estimates. I thank the Minister, the Ministers of State and all the officials for being with us, along with the members of the committee. The lengthy discussion was inevitable as this is a big Department covering many issues close to the heart of politicians. I did not expect us to be finished early.

This concludes the select committee's consideration of the 2008 output statement and Revised Estimate for Vote 25 - Environment, Heritage and Local Government - for the year 31 December 2008.

Very briefly, on behalf of my ministerial colleagues and myself, I thank the committee for its consideration of my Department's Estimate. The debate and the questions have been lively and informative. We have all listened carefully and noted the comments and concerns expressed by the committee. They will be taken into consideration in my management of the Department over the coming year. I reassure the committee that I share its clear wish to ensure that the considerable provisions available to the Department in 2008 are used to optimum effect.

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