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COMMITTEE OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS debate -
Thursday, 17 Nov 2011

Business of Committee

Mr. John Buckley (An tArd Reachtaire Cuntas agus Ciste) called and examined.

We have a quorum and we will deal with the minutes of 10 November 2011. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed.

With regard to matters arising from the minutes, there is the issue of the proposed inquiry into the financial market collapse that we discussed last week. The secretariat is putting together a range of documentation on it that is in the public domain and quite extensive. There is a large amount of it and I propose that it is circulated to members in hard copy over the next few days. It will enable Members to decide whether there is further basic information needed that we can source and have made available to the committee to start work on. We also need legal advice. I propose that we deal with the issue next Thursday in private session, at the start of business, where Members have had an opportunity to discuss how to progress the issue. If we are to go outside of the remit of the examining public bodies we will need special legislation. Yesterday, I wrote to the Minister, as agreed by the committee last week, and I explained that the view of the committee was that the defeat of the referendum should not mean that we will not be able to hold a bank inquiry or an inquiry into the financial happenings of that time. It was agreed that we would hold a wider discussion next Thursday when members have had a chance to review the documentation. Is that agreed? Agreed.

I refer to correspondence received since the meeting of Thursday, 10 November 2011. There is correspondence dated 9 November 2011 from Mr. Kenneth Nolan, government accounting unit, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. This was deferred from the meeting of 10 November 2011 and relates to the forwarding of the minute of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform in response to the Committee of Public Accounts report on the 2007 appropriation accounts, the annual report and special reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General. This correspondence is to be noted and published.

Item No. 3.2 is correspondence dated 6 November 2011 from Mr. Tom Hayes, Secretary, Alliance Victim Support Group, re right of place, Cork. This correspondence is to be noted. The HSE and the Department of Education and Skills provided a copy of the internal evaluation report on right of place to the previous committee. We will ask the HSE to contact Mr. Hayes and, if necessary, give him a copy of the HSE report.

Item No. 3.3 is correspondence received on 10 November 2011 from Mr. Francis Rochford, Principal Officer, Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, re issues raised previously by Mr. Frank Delaney, Manlift Hire Ltd., regarding the Health and Safety Authority. This correspondence is to be noted and published. We will keep this issue under review as a report is due to the Minister. We will ask the Accounting Officer for a copy of this report to help the committee with the upcoming examination of the Health and Safety Authority, HSA. Is this report specifically relevant to Manlift or is it a general report?

Clerk to the Committee

It is a report on issues raised by Manlift about expenditure and travel in the HSA. They carried out an internal audit report which will come to the Minister in the coming weeks and we are seeking a copy.

This issue with Manlift Hire Ltd. and the complaints being made are interesting. I suggest that members examine the correspondence coming from Manlift and match it with whatever report emerges from the Department so that we can determine the accuracies and inform ourselves in respect of the debate on the matter. This is significant in terms of the expenses raised by individuals.

Item No. 3.4 is correspondence dated 7 November 2011 from Mr. John Kinsella, New Ross, County Wexford, forwarding correspondence issued to the Minister for Finance, Deputy Michael Noonan. This correspondence is to be noted.

Item No. 3.5 is correspondence dated 13 October 2011 from Mr. Gerard Moyne, Life Member, Irish Red Cross Society. The correspondence is to be noted and forwarded to the Department of Defence and the Irish Red Cross Society for information. We will return to issues relating to the Irish Red Cross Society early in the new year and we can raise the issues in this letter with the chief executive of the Irish Red Cross Society. Several issues are outstanding from last week as well as the Irish Red Cross Society and we will fit the various agencies into one meeting some day and cover all the remaining relevant issues.

Item No. 3.6 is correspondence dated 7 November 2011 from Mr. Martin Moore, Martin Moore & Company, Tralee, County Kerry. The correspondence is to be noted. We have received other correspondence from the firm on the same issue and we will forward this correspondence to the Office of the Revenue Commissioners for direct reply.

Item No. 3.7 is correspondence dated 26 September 2011 from Mr. Bernard P. Cunnane & Company Solicitors, re Foynes Aviation & Maritime Museum Ltd. This correspondence is to be noted. We will forward the matter to the Accounting Officer of the Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht for a note on the matters raised. This issue can be discussed with the officials when they come in.

There is correspondence dated 11 November 2011 from Mr. Donal Forde, Secretary General, Irish Red Cross, re examination of Chapter 32 of the Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, 2010, Financial Control in the Irish Red Cross Society. This correspondence is to be noted and published. We will schedule the Irish Red Cross Society for a resumed examination of the issues raised, most likely in early 2012.

Correspondence was received on 10 November 2011 from the Pensions Board. This is a briefing paper for the Committee of Public Accounts examination of 17 November 2011. The correspondence is to be noted and published. Correspondence dated 10 November 2011 was received from Mr. Paul Kenny, Pensions Ombudsman of Ireland, re opening statement. This correspondence is to be noted and published. Item No. 3.11 is correspondence dated 15 November 2011 from Mr. Brendan Kennedy, chief executive, Pensions Board, re opening statement. This correspondence is to be noted and published.

We are now dealing with the reports, statements and accounts received since the meeting of 10 November 2011. We have received the County Leitrim Vocational Education Committee, VEC, annual financial report, dated 31 December 2010; the County Wexford VEC report for the same period; the Bord Bia annual report and accounts, 2010; the Equality Authority financial statements for the year ended 31 December 2010; the Moorepark Technology Ltd., director's report and financial statements for 31 December 2010; and the Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies, financial statements for the year ended 31 December 2010. We will defer notation of Bord Bia's accounts as we will examine these accounts with the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food in 2012.

A draft work programme has been circulated and I call on Members to contact the secretariat if they have any proposals. We will agree the draft at next week's meeting. It will be subject to change should pressing issues arise.

I have a question. Unless I have missed it in the correspondence we went through we did not get any of the documents which the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport committed to supply last week. Am I correct in saying the documents have not been supplied to us yet?

Clerk to the Committee

They came yesterday evening and the committee will have them today. There is a pack of documents.

Did they send the material on to us?

Clerk to the Committee

Yes, they did. They arrived yesterday evening but I did not include them today because we must go through them. Some work must be done on them because some of them are confidential. I will get back to the Deputy.

I was simply asking because they said they would supply the documents to us within the week.

Clerk to the Committee

And they did so.

Under any other business members should indicate if they wish to raise any other matters before we call the witnesses into the room. The agenda scheduled for Thursday 24 November 2011 involves a discussion in private on the banking inquiry; the 2010 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts, Vote 41, Office of the Minister Children and Youth Affairs, Chapter 49, Childcare Facilities; and Special Report 74 of the Comptroller and Auditor General, Chapter 2, Monitoring School Attendance. We will now call the witnesses into the room.

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