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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 1 Jul 1924

Vol. 8 No. 2

STATE HARBOURS BILL, 1924. - (SECOND STAGE).

The State Harbours Bill contains four essential points. The first point is to vest the Dun Laoghaire and the Dunmore Harbours in the Commissioners of Public Works. The second point is to enable such tolls and dues as may be approved by the Government to be charged at those and any other harbours controlled by the Commissioners of Public Works, without regard to existing statutory conditions. The third point is to apply to all such harbours certain useful provisions of the Harbours, Docks and Piers Clauses Act of 1847, which is a codifying Act making all sorts of regulations about harbours. The fourth point is to change the name of Kingstown Harbour to Dun Laoghaire Harbour.

When Kingstown Harbour was constructed under a series of Acts beginning in 1815, and when Dunmore Harbour was reconstructed under an Act of 1818, each of them was vested in Commissioners, not more than five in number, to be appointed by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. It proved convenient for the Lord Lieutenant to appoint the individuals, who were from time to time Commissioners of Public Works, to be Commissioners of both those harbours, because the Commissioners of Public Works had to maintain the harbours out of public funds, and it was obviously convenient for the same body to manage the harbours and maintain them. Though the Commissioners of Public Works are actually the same persons as the Commissioners of Kingstown and Dunmore Harbours, they are not legally the same. The Commissioners of these harbours are theoretically and legally two separate bodies; they can be sued separately; they are incorporated as the Commissioners of Public Works are. The legal and practical line of division between their duties as owners and managers of these harbours, and their duty in maintaining the harbours, is a line which is hard to draw, and this leads to some practical inconvenience.

As regards the tolls and dues there is a point of importance involved. Originally it was contemplated that the sum charged would bear some relation to the number of trips of the mail boat. It was calculated at that time that there would be about six trips in the year, but now the trips are taken twice daily, practically. At present the income derived from Dun Laoghaire harbour is something about £1,800, and in the last year there was a sum of £300 or £400 of that arrears from the previous year. In the case of the Dublin Port and Docks Board the charge would be something about 7d. or 7¼d. per ton of the actual nett tonnage. It was that up to some time ago. If based on the charge which would be made in the ordinary way at the Dublin Harbour proper, what should be charged for the mail boat would be somewhere about £40,000. That is what those passenger boats would pay in dues if the same rates ruled at Dun Laoghaire as rule at Dublin.

The various charges that are made in other harbours are as follows:—

Belfast—3½d. (less 5 per cent.)

Londonderry—3¾d.

Larne—3¾d. (plus 1¼d. per passenger).

Glasgow—5d. (less 5 per cent.)

Bristol—6d. (plus 10 per cent.)

Fishguard—4d. (plus 6 per cent.)

The actual cost of the upkeep of Dun Laoghaire Harbour amounts to over £20,000 in the year. It is more than likely, within the next few years, if any reconstruction work has to be done there—and it is necessary there should be—a very considerable expenditure of money will have to be made. It appears that the boats now used by the London, Midland, and Scottish Railway Company are much larger, and, in consequence, they do a good deal more damage.

I do not want to raise any objection to this Bill, but when the President quotes rates charged for steamships it should be borne in mind there is a considerable distinction recognised by most ports between cargo and passenger vessels. Passenger vessels, which are used almost wholly for passenger service, and have high power, are generally granted a lower rate on their gross tonnage.

The rates I have quoted are the passenger boat rates in regard to the particular ports I have mentioned. I gave quotations from Belfast and other ports.

From Belfast no vessels run out solely with passengers. Would the President give us the figures for Larne and Stranraer? That would be more enlightening than rates on cargo ships. There is a distinction between high powered vessels going out almost wholly with passengers and mails, and vessels that are partly passenger and mainly cargo.

Before the President replies on this point of the tolls and other matters, which we may be excused from going into now because the Bill will pass from the cognizance of the Dáil to a Private Bill Committee, I would like to say a few words upon it. While I am not disputing the necessity for making the L.M.S. Railway Company pay more than they do at present, it is very desirable that they should pay a lump sum and not pay by the journey. If they pay for each journey the tendency will be to curtail the service. The Company are already talking of taking off the day boat on Sunday. That would cause great inconvenience to some people. There is talk of taking it off because the service does not pay.

We may be in the position of finding them reducing the number of services by half, and that would have a big effect throughout the country, both in regard to tourist traffic, mails, and practically every other service that is carried on by those boats. That would be extremely unfortunate. I hope that point will be borne in mind. It is not merely a profit and loss transaction on paper. It will have social effects with immense reactions in almost every department of the national life. Secondly, I hope that the revenue from increased tolls will be earmarked for the use of the harbour that makes them. At present, as far as Dun Laoghaire is concerned, the pier accommodation is out of date. It is small, narrow, out of date and inconvenient, and is highly unsuited for the collection of customs.

If the increased tolls bring in increased revenue, I hope the Government will devote the surplus to the provision of a new pier adapted to modern conditions, something on the scale of Dover. Even Holyhead is superior at the present time. People coming to Ireland via Dun Laoghaire do not gain a very favourable impression. They are crowded, hustled and delayed while their baggage is being examined, and they get off the pier into the train in a state of semi-irritation which is not improved by the state of the train. Our entrance gate should be firm and dignified, and any extra revenue that accrues should be devoted to improving the harbours that make those revenues.

The rates for passenger ships per ton nett in Belfast amount to 3½d. less 5 per cent., and on goods vessels, 7d. less 5 per cent.: Cork, passenger ships per ton nett, ½d., and goods vessels, 4½d.; Londonderry, passenger vessels, 3¾d., goods vessels 7¼d.; Larne, passenger vessels, 3¾d. plus 1¼d. per passenger, and goods vessels, 5d.; Glasgow, passenger vessels, 5d. less 5 per cent., and the rate for goods is the same.

Will the President explain more clearly what he means by so much per passenger and so much for goods? As regards the reference to rate, is it nett tonnage or gross tonnage?

I refer to nett tonnage. I take it in regard to Larne 1¼d. has to be paid for each passenger in addition to 3¾d. per nett ton of the vessel.

As regards Glasgow, does the President mean 5d. per ton on goods in addition to the nett tonnage?

I mean 5d. per ton nett register. I have not any particulars in relation to Stranraer.

That is the parallel.

I think Belfast is a fairly good case, too. With regard to the other matter mentioned by Deputy Cooper, I have heard complaints about the condition of the harbour, but after all I am afraid finance does enter into the matter, somewhat. We got something like £1,400 last year and it cost us about £23,000 to maintain the harbour. Obviously somebody besides ourselves has the advantage. I will bring the matter to the notice of the Minister when he returns.

Question—"That the Bill be read a Second Time"—put and agreed to.
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