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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 29 May 1929

Vol. 30 No. 4

The Adjournment. - Parteen Teacher's Residence.

We have been told, I believe, that the Shannon scheme, a great marvel of engineering, will be a boon and a blessing to a great many people in this country, but there is at least one man who has reason to regret that the Shannon scheme was ever started, and that is the principal teacher of Parteen Boys' School. This teacher was engaged there from 1914 until 1927. He enjoyed a free residence as part of his emoluments, with a garden attached, situated amid the sylvan surroundings of Parteen, but the result of the Shannon scheme has been that his school and his residence have disappeared, and he has been forced to take rooms in Limerick for his wife and family at a rent of £52 a year. Although during the previous thirteen years he could go from his residence to his school without even going out in the open air, he has now to travel a distance of three miles from and to Limerick every morning and evening. Anybody who has travelled over that road will know what that means. He has continually to dodge Shannon lorries on the way, and he is a man who is not very strong physically. As I say, all this has come as a result of the Shannon scheme operations. This school and residence happened to occupy a position right in the centre of the Shannon scheme operations, and it was necessary to demolish them in the course of the work. That was done; the manager was notified by wire to close the school, and the teacher had to make whatever arrangements he could to get other accommodation.

I remember discussing this matter informally in June, 1927, with the Minister for Industry and Commerce, and I certainly got the impression then that this teacher would not be neglected in the manner in which I hold he has been neglected. That was the impression I got, and that was the impression I conveyed to the teacher concerned —that although the Minister was not then in a position to say, as certain legislation had not been passed, what exactly could be done, he felt quite certain that between himself and the Minister for Education a way would be found whereby this teacher would not suffer. One of the Minister's officials went down and saw the teacher and an arrangewent was come to in the matter of compensation by which he was to be given 25/- a week for rent and 10/- a week for expenses. The teacher agreed to accept that compensation, and here is where the difficulty comes in: It was understood that that would be paid for eighteen months and that by the end of that time a new school and residence would have been erected. That was giving reasonable time for the work to be done. Now two years have gone by, and not even a site has been obtained for a residence or for a school, and, worst of all, it was agreed afterwards that a lump sum of £100 would be given instead of the £127 10s. which the compensation would have come to if it had been paid every week, but this money was not paid because it was sought to attach the condition to it that it would be accepted in full and complete satisfaction for all claims that the teacher had.

No school was involved in the Shannon scheme works except this. This teacher's residence has been taken away from him. It cannot be denied that he had a free residence there. He also had vegetables free, but now he has to purchase them in the City of Limerick, pay this high rent, and travel three miles to and from his school. The parliamentary Secretary says that he was advised that the free residence enjoyed by the teachers was in no way part of their emoluments. I asked him who gave that advice, but he was not in a position to say.

Yes, as a supplementary question. In any case, the fact that he had a free residence there and that as a result of the Shannon scheme operations he has no longer a free residence is not disputed. He is paying £52 a year rent for rooms in the City of Limerick. That is what the Shannon scheme has brought to him. I do not want to go into nice legal points or into the technicalities of the position, but it seems to me a very peculiar thing that, in connection with a scheme which is costing the country £5,000,000, reasonable compensation cannot be given to this teacher for the hardship that has been inflicted on him. It seems to be a case of shifting responsibility from one Department to another. When the Minister for Education is asked why the school and residence has not been erected, he tries to shift it on to the local people and says that the provision of a new residence is a matter for the local parties.

Well, that is certain, is it not?

Which is certain?

That it is a matter for the local parties?

At the time that the residence was taken over from the teacher he was not told that, and he was certainly given to understand, and did understand, that a new structure would be erected inside a reasonable time, and the reasonable time mentioned was eighteen months. I do not want to argue on the technicalities or as to what is the exact legal position. I feel perfectly satisfied that a way could be found by which a new residence and school could be provided if the Minister for Education or the Minister for Industry and Commerce, or both together, were really serious and were anxious to see that the hardship that has undoubtedly been inflicted was removed. It is now two years since this school was destroyed. Teaching has to be carried on in a temporary wooden structure. Of course, the Minister says that it is perfectly sound, perfectly sanitary, and perfectly suitable in every way——

——and that so far as that is concerned, of course, there is no hurry about it. I put it to the Minister for Education, as the man who has the interests of those who are employed under his Department at heart: is he perfectly satisfied that the teacher has been fairly treated? I feel quite certain that he could not answer that question in the affirmative. I would also like the Minister for Industry and Commerce to say whether or not he considers that it is fair to take away this man's residence from him and to offer him £100 in complete satisfaction of his claims for the disturbance which has been created and for the loss which has been inflicted on him. I feel that the very least that ought to be done would be to continue to pay what was originally agreed upon —that is 25/- per week and 10/- per week expenses—until such time as a new residence is erected to replace the residence which was destroyed. That is not an unreasonable amount. A couple of hundred pounds one way or the other is infinitesimal in comparison with the cost of the Shannon scheme, and I think as this is the only one case of a school that is involved that a way ought to be found. As I said, I am perfectly satisfied a way can be found by which new schools and a residence can be erected to take the place of those which were destroyed. I think it is not an unreasonable demand —that payment of the rate originally fixed should be continued until such time as that is done. There can be no controversy I think as to the position or as to what has actually happened. The man's house has been taken away from him, he has been put to very great expense and inconvenience and no steps are being taken yet to re-erect the school or residence. I feel if the Minister for Education or the Minister for Industry and Commerce were serious about it a remedy could be found, and I think it will be the opinion of everybody who has listened to the facts that it is only right and just that a remedy ought to be found for the hardship inflicted on the teacher concerned. I do not want to delay over this. Both the Ministers know the facts fully but I want them to say what exactly they propose to do either in the matter of erecting a school and residence or in the matter of compensation to the teacher until such time as the residence is erected.

I have only one or two words to say on this particular matter. The facts, so far as the joint school and residence are concerned, are as Deputy O'Connell has stated. But there is this to be borne in mind—and this is the only aspect of the case that, for the moment, I am interested in—that the building in question, I think the Deputy himself will recognise it, was practically one hundred years old.

It was never stated or held that it was not quite suitable for the work that was carried on.

Quite so. It had probably a lifetime of ten or fifteen years more. The walls were bulging in some places and the windows were bad. That was the report of the school as we got it from the people who had inspected the school. The local people would, undoubtedly in a short time, be up against the proposition of supplying a new school and of supplying the necessary one-third. In that case I suggest it would be quite reasonable. If they took the award into account, making the reasonable local contribution which they would be called upon to make, in a short time the question of a residence could be easily settled. By providing a local one-third and our giving two-thirds a teacher's residence could be provided. That is the only way we can see of solving that particular aspect of the question.

Would the Minister for Education state what compensation has been awarded?

The Minister for Industry and Commerce will state that.

I did not understand clearly from Deputy O'Connell what amount was offered to this teacher who lost his residence.

Mr. O'Connell

£100.

Per annum?

Mr. O'Connell

In complete satisfaction of all his claims.

I understood he was originally offered 25/- a week plus 10/- for a time.

That is all wrong.

Mr. O'Connell

I will explain the matter. That was the original offer. It would come to £121 10s. over a period of eighteen months. Then he was offered the present value of that as a lump sum, which was roughly £100.

No matter what the condition of the school was would it have to be demolished?

Mr. O'Connell

It would.

Deputy O'Connell makes a plea to me that this is only one case, that there is only a matter of a few hundred pounds involved, that I should be lenient and that the amount is nothing in comparison with the millions spent. Deputy O'Connell should know that we have lost very heavily on the Shannon scheme on moneys paid by way of compensation for land acquired. We would lose more heavily if I gave in to every demand that was put up, even though it were only £100 or £50. It is by taking care of the odd fifty pounds that we have saved millions on that scheme.

Mr. O'Connell

How many millions have you saved?

We prevented other millions from being spent. I do not want to be as delicate as the Minister for Education on this point. The condition of the schools, as reported to us, was that they were poor indeed. They were within three years of being a hundred years old. The front wall was badly bulged, the roof was dilapidated and sagged, the woodwork was old and in some places perfectly rotten. The teacher's residence that we heard so much about was of the most meagre type and consisted of three rooms, two downstairs, twelve foot square, and one upstairs room. There never was an agreement to pay 25/- a week and something else, but the valuer in estimating compensation to be given to these people said he would take some figure like that and said definitely to the two teachers concerned that the new school ought to be there in about eighteen months. If it was there earlier he would have gained. If it was there later he would have lost. It was his gamble. The £100 was put up as the best thing we could have done. We never could have agreed, I put it to Deputy O'Connell, to pay compensation to some person for a period over which we had no control. It is not a matter for us whether the school, when rebuilt, should have a teacher's residence. The manager is not compelled to build a teacher's residence. He could take the money we have offered for compensation. He may build a schoolhouse and may leave out the teacher's residence altogether.

It never entered into our calculation that we would have to pay something over a period of years. It might amount to payment for life to the teacher if the school was never put up. The Minister for Education said it would have to be taken into consideration that the schools would have to be rebuilt. It is known that not many years ago investigations were conducted by the then manager with a view to having a new school. That was about 1918.

Would the Minister inform us whether, under the terms of the teacher's appointment, any reference was made to residence?

I think the facts are as follows: The manager previous to the present manager, when actually engaging this teacher, made reference to the fact that he would have a residence. The present manager renewed the agreement. In fact, there was no reference made to the residence in that agreement. It may have been an oversight.

Who got the residence?

I am not saying.

The fact was that his position was not disturbed in any way.

I am not saying that it was. Under the new agreement there was no reference to the residence.

All this amounts to is that the teacher may have been induced to take the position owing to the fact that the residence was given to him. Supposing there was no Shannon scheme and that the schoolhouse was destroyed by fire, I wonder would the manager be compelled to rebuild a school with a teacher's residence attached. Would the teacher's agreement entitle him to get a residence out of the manager? I do not think that could be held. At any rate, I may pass over that. I think as regards the report of the valuer—the valuer on whose reports I have settled pretty nearly all the cases in connection with the acquisition of land for the Shannon Scheme—if I varied it in this I would have to vary it in the others. The valuer had got to take into consideration all the items that merit valuation in this particular case. I do not propose to vary it. I am in this peculiar position. There are two teachers concerned. £100 was offered to each. The lady teacher took the £100 and has got away with it.

Mr. O'Connell

The Minister knows the reason why. The circumstances are entirely different.

If the Deputy means that her husband is employed on the Shannon scheme and has a pension, I admit it. The offer to Mr. Kelly is no longer open. I have since been advised that the payment I made to the lady teacher was illegal. At present I am advised that I can make no payment to this man. With regard to the residence, I am told that he has, in fact, no claim to compensation which I could legally meet. Therefore, I am afraid that the offer to Mr. Kelly is now to be regarded as withdrawn.

Is the Minister for Education satisfied that the present temporary schoolhouse is satisfactory and safe as far as the children are concerned?

As far as I can gather, it is quite satisfactory as a temporary school. It compares remarkably well with the school it replaced. It is much more roomy.

A wooden structure?

A corrugated iron structure, on a concrete foundation, lined inside with wood, plentifully supplied with windows, good porches, well lighted. It is what is generally called a semipermanent structure.

Mr. O'Connell

A magnificent building!

And it cost the Shannon scheme an enormous amount of money!

The Dáil adjourned at 10.55 p.m. until Thursday, 30th May, at 3 p.m.

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