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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 18 Jun 1930

Vol. 35 No. 10

In Committee on Finance. - Protection of the Coach Building Industry.

When we heard there was going to be an adjournment this week we thought it right to bring forward as a matter of urgency this question of the delay in bringing in proposals dealing with the protection of the coach building industry and that it should be mentioned in that way. The Ceann Comhairle said that that could not be brought up under Standing Order 57. Accordingly this is the only opportunity we have of dealing with it at present although we will not have what we would like to have, an opportunity of having a definite vote on it except in connection with the adjournment of the Dáil. It seems to us it shows a want of consideration by the Ministry to propose to adjourn the Dáil over a period of five months when we have an important industry like the coach building industry practically on its last legs because of the inaction of the Ministry in connection with this question of a tariff or protection for the industry.

The facts of the industry have been put before the House on more than one occasion. The demand for protection of that industry was made back in 1926 and it was referred to the Tariff Commission in 1927. Now the Commissioners had three years to consider that application and the information we got was that this report was practically ready. But this Ministry that has been so careless about this industry proposes now that we should adjourn and leave this industry to suffer a further period of five months of loss and uncertainty without taking any action on it. Most of the members of the Dáil remember the facts put before them for this industry. It was pointed out that it was an industry in which we had the advantage of having a number of skilled workers, that it was an industry which was able to compete with imported articles as far as price is concerned, particularly motor bodies, and that the only reason why protection was necessary was because of the fact of the selling organisation across the water where the complete car is pushed to such an extent that the people who buy here do not realise that in buying the foreign body they are unnecessarily exporting Irish money and giving employment to the stranger. We have the advantage then of having skilled workers. We have the advantage of being able to get something like 42 per cent., I think, of the materials that are needed here at home. I think that the census of production in 1926 showed that the value of the products was over £1,000,000 and that about 42 per cent. of that were obtainable at home and had not to be imported.

From the Irish point of view it has the further advantage that of all industries, next to the building industry, the greatest proportion of money is spent on wages. Fifty per cent. practically of the money spent in providing the article is spent in wages: but notwithstanding the fact that it has been estimated that something like 2,000 extra workers would be employed in the industry and that it could be used to produce our requirements, we have this thing hanging over for a period of three years without any action having been taken. I suppose they will tell us that they had to wait for the Report of the Tariff Commission. It seems to us, at any rate, that of all the applications that should be dealt with quickly this was one, that this long period was not necessary at all, and that the Ministry ought in a case like that, if there is an altogether unreasonable delay in the Tariff Commission, to take action themselves. We are losing these skilled workmen. We are losing the wages. We are importing cars into this country, the bodies of which could be made at home, to such an extent that we quoted from a British motor trade journal to the effect that we were the best customer of British cars. The Australians were the best customers of chassis. The purchase of these cars involved here an annual loss of £600,000 by comparison with the Australians. These facts have all been put before the House already, and any person looking at these facts and considering the loss we are suffering should be against the attitude of the Ministry in proposing the adjournment of this House for a period of five months when we are told there is a Report practically ready.

That is the information I have, at any rate, that this Report is practically ready. I would like to know what justification the Ministers have for adjourning the House for this continued period without having this Report before it. I do not think there is any member here who wants to see our skilled workmen going away. I do not think there is anyone who wants to see this loss of wealth occurring to Ireland when there is a way to prevent it. Again, it is not like some of the other industries where there would be an additional cost on the poor man. Applicants for the tariff have held that they can produce as cheap as the British catalogued prices, particularly in the case of bus bodies and so on. The Ministry's whole attitude in respect to this in the past has been certainly, to use the least strong expression I can, very culpable. They have allowed these motor bodies at the time when we were getting in these British cars to flood the country to saturation point, and consequently allowed Irish money to be exported in buying articles which could be produced at home. Our attitude is—we intend opposing the adjournment if for this reason only, on the ground that there are a number of urgent matters that should be brought forward and particularly this matter of dealing with the question of the tariff and protection for the coach building industry.

I agree with Deputy de Valera that there appears to be no genuine explanation recently given to this House for the delay on the part of the Tariff Commission or the Ministry in introducing this Report. On the last occasion, when the matter was raised by Deputy Lemass or some other Deputy from those benches the Minister explained that the time of the members of the Tariff Commission had been taken up to a great extent in connection with the work of the Grain Inquiry. I know nothing of any activities of members of the Tariff Commission in connection with that particular matter for the last three months. At any rate, seeing that the case submitted by those associated with the coach-building industry was submitted to the Tariff Commission so far back as 1926 I think the question of bringing in a Report on that matter should have been completed before they gave any further public time to the work. I am not sure whether it will be necessary for the House to meet again to deal with any business which may be sent back from the Seanad, but I would urge the Minister if he is going to insist on an adjournment to-night without doing something in the matter raised by Deputy de Valera that he will, if we are called together again, see to it that in the meantime this Commission will bring in the Report and that this House will have the necessary means taken to give effect to this Report.

In view of the long adjournment which is about to take place and the likelihood of a general election in the meantime——

Very unlikely.

——I would like to raise a matter which I think of much importance. That is the action of the Ministry of Justice——

I will ask the Deputy to defer that until we deal with this point.

When the Minister is replying perhaps he would say what is the attitude of the Government in regard to the report on the application for a tariff on wrapping paper?

Perhaps the Deputy will allow us to deal with one matter first.

The two matters are linked up in this way. When the matter of the coach-building report was last mentioned the Minister stated that the report in connection with wrapping paper would be submitted before the report in regard to coach-building. If that report be furnished at once, will it be held in abeyance until the Dáil meets again, although a tariff may be recommended by the Commission?

I want to ensure that the Minister's speech will not conclude the discussion on this subject.

I think it is the Minister's intention to conclude now.

I would prefer to conclude it myself.

The position is that the Reports of the Tariff Commission in regard to wrapping paper and to coach-building are nearly ready. When they are presented they will be considered by the Executive Council. If they are positive reports the Dáil may take it that the Executive Council will prepare proposals for carrying them into effect. If the reports are along the line that would require and permit of immediate action, the Executive Council can arrange to have the Dáil reassemble for the specific business of dealing with any proposal that may arise out of the reports of the Tariff Commission on these matters. The Executive Council, if the case seems to warrant it, will not hesitate to move the Ceann Comhairle to have the House summoned to deal with such matters. I expect that certain amendments will be made to Bills that are now before the Seanad, and consequently it will be necessary to summon the House to deal with Seanad amendments. I do not know whether the reports of the Tariff Commission on these matters will have been presented and considered before such meeting takes place, but even if any matter that may arise out of them cannot be dealt with when we are considering the Seanad amendments to Bills now before them, there is no reason why the House should not be summoned to meet on some day convenient to consider business of this nature. We recognise that if there are positive unanimous reports from the Tariff Commission on these matters it would not be reasonable to delay action until the 19th November.

Can we take that as a definite assurance, that if the Tariff Commission submits recommendations in favour of a duty on imported vehicles the Executive Council will act accordingly by coming to the Dáil? It has been the practice of the Executive Council to act on such recommendations and presumably that will be followed in this case. Can we take it from the Minister that if the Tariff Commission, say, within the next fortnight, submits positive recommendations which will require financial resolutions to implement them, the Dáil will be summoned to pass such resolutions?

The Deputy may take it that if we get a unanimous, positive report we will not delay in dealing with it. We have so far never got reports which were not in the main unanimous and, consequently, we had no great difficulty in dealing with them. If we got reports that were not unanimous the Executive Council might have difficulty in making up their minds but, as I say, we have not yet got a report that was not in the main unanimous. If on this occasion we also get positive reports, we will not wait until the 19th November to put them into operation.

I am sure the Minister will realise that the position in the coach-building industry is critical. If a report is submitted recommending a tariff and if the Executive Council delay putting it into operation until the 19th November, it is very likely that the industry would be in a very critical condition. I would urge on the Ministry to take immediate action because they will have to choose between letting the industry die straight away or giving it immediate protection. To postpone that protection until November would be practically useless to the industry.

When we get the re ports we will consider them as promptly as if the Dáil were in session. The submission of proposals to the House will not be delayed by the fact that the House has gone into Recess.

Could the Minister not request the Secretary of the Tariff Commission to have the reports expedited with a view to having a financial resolution submitted if necessary?

I will consider that.

The Minister on many occasions when replying to complaints of this kind gave as a reason for the delay the other important duties which the members of the Commission have to perform. It was first suggested here some years ago that the work of the Tariff Commission is sufficiently important to justify relieving the three individuals concerned of the work they have to do as heads of Government Departments. In view of the explanation given by the Minister on this matter and also that given in connection with the grain and other inquiries, I think that the time has arrived when the House would be justified in having these individuals relieved of their other duties so as to enable them to finish whatever work is required to be cleared up.

The assurance which we want is that when the report is brought in the Dáil will get an immediate opportunity of discussing it.

I will not promise that. If there is a positive report we will deal with it with as little delay as we have dealt with other reports. There will be no delay in putting proposals before the House merely because the House is in Recess when the report is received. If it is a negative report we will not summon the House.

We are anxious to have an opportunity of discussing the report on the first possible occasion and we are therefore not satisfied with the statement of the Minister.

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