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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 27 Nov 1930

Vol. 36 No. 5

Adjournment Debate. - Importation of Malt.

To-day I asked the Minister for Finance if, in view of the largely increased imports of foreign malt during the nine months January to September, 1930, with resulting unemployment and distress, he will consider prohibiting the importation of foreign malt into the Saorstát. His reply to me was:

"Under existing law the Government have no-powers to prohibit the importation of foreign malt into the Saorstát, and it is not intended to approach the Oireachtas for the grant of such powers in view of the fact that malt is the raw material for the important industry of brewing."

Now it is rather an amazing statement for the Minister to make here that malt is a raw material. When we consider the fact that the difference between the price of foreign barley imported into this country at a price of 7s. 1d. per cwt., and foreign malt being brought in at 15s. 4d. per cwt., we see at once that the difference amounts to 8s. 3d. a cwt. The loss to Irish maltsters, the men working in malt houses is a very large one. This money goes to men working in English malt houses and to men working in malt houses in the North of Ireland. If any sane reason can be put forward for the importation into this country of barley there cannot be any justification whatever and no sane reason for the importation into the country of malt, thus depriving the Irish workers of a sum which I estimate at £131,000—that is a difference between the price of foreign barley and foreign malt. This is a case in which a large amount of unemployment and distress is involved and I can see no justification for the action of the Government in permitting these imports. Whatever justification there may be for the importation of barley into the country there can be none whatever for the importation of this malt.

For the past two days we have been considering, and we will consider again to-morrow, a relief grant of £300,000. Here we have in one item a sum of £131,000 filched from the pockets of Irish workers. The Minister announced to-day that the Executive Council did not intend putting the question of malting barley before the Tariff Commission because malting barley was the raw material of malt; foreign malt is evidently another raw material of whiskey. From what I can see happening here within the past few months the Minister is not the raw material but the finished product of Imperialism. To-day the Minister for Finance had the extreme courtesy to announce that he was not going to reply to me; evidently he has no reply to make and he thought his absence would be the best method of sparing him the trouble of fabricating some answer. I do not know what ties certain brewers in this country have with Deputies on the Government Benches. The Executive Council is not elected to look after the interests of one particular brewery here, but it would seem that they are concerned when the interests of that firm come right up against the interests of a large number of unfortunate people who are thrown out of employment through this importation of malt.

I would like to hear some justification given for the importation of malt. If the Executive Council are going to stand self-convicted of allowing £131,000 to be taken out of the pockets of Irish workers, let them be bold and brazen enough to say: "Our financial interests in Messrs. Guinness are so great that we cannot afford to quarrel with them, though we are depriving the workers of £131,000." We have heard different plausible reasons given from time to time for the refusal to prevent the importation of various products. I am sure the most extraordinary reason was that given by the Minister for Finance to-day when he solemnly announced that malt was a raw product, although it costs £131,000 in workmen's wages to convert malting barley into malt. If we are given such excuses as that, all we can say to Ministers is that we wish them Godspeed in their absence from this House, and we hope that absence will soon be permanent.

I did not know that malting barley was coming into this country at 7/1 per cwt.; I think it is coming in at something like 10/- or 11/- per cwt. The barley coming in is mainly malting barley, and it stands at about 22/- or 24/- a barrel. On the Deputy's own figures the loss which he describes as a loss to the country would be something like £40,000 instead of £131,000, but that is only a detail. Malt is a raw material, of course. The Deputy said he thought it was the function of the Executive Council to consider the interests of the country as a whole, and to do the best thing by the country as a whole. Whatever the functions of the Executive Council are, they certainly are not to run a business such as a brewery.

I do not know why Guinness's brewery should be dragged in. By the way, I am not defending Guinness's at all, because they do not need any defence. Guinness's do not need any defence, and they would not even be thankful if they were defended. I think it is humiliating to have members of the House constantly attacking Guinness's. I do not mind Deputy Corry, but there are other members of the House, whom I will not now specify, constantly attacking what is generally admitted to be one of the most efficient institutions and business concerns in the world. What is humiliating about it is that that concern would not think it worth its while to answer us. I have enough respect for this country and for its Parliament to be humiliated every time I hear Deputies who are, after all, elected by an Irish constituency, in a futile, foolish sort of way attacking a concern that is admittedly one of the most efficient business concerns in the world. That firm would not think it worth its while to waste two minutes in giving us any explanation.

In any event, it is considered necessary by this particular concern to import a certain amount of malt. They have their own good reasons, and Deputy Corry may take it from me that you do not succeed in business except by the very closest attention to detail. I do not know anything about brewing, but I know enough about business methods generally to realise that a business concern cannot be made a success or kept successful under all sorts of conditions, in times of prosperity and in entirely different times—times of adversity—unless the closest attention is given to matters of detail and unless the greatest possible foresight is exercised. I know such attention cannot be given and such foresight cannot be exercised by any firm that takes into consideration anything beyond purely business considerations. Without knowing anything about brewing, but knowing something about the methods of first-class business, I will take it for granted, unless I am shown the contrary, that the considerations which induced Messrs. Guinness to bring in malt are purely business considerations. I think we must stop at that. If any industry wants further light on these reasons, the thing to do is to ask the Tariff Commission to consider the question of a tariff on imported malt. Personally, I would be absolutely against such a tariff for the reasons I have given. But whether that is so or not, it is open to anybody to ask the Tariff Commission to examine the question and if they did examine it and came seriously to the question of prohibiting either imported barley used as raw material for this industry or the whiskey industry or imported malt for the same purpose, then I am perfectly certain that when wedid come down to an actual decision that you would not get any responsible members of any Party in the House to say that they and not the directors of the particular firms concerned should be the judges of what should be used as the raw materials of their industry.

The Dáil adjourned until Friday at 10.30 a.m.

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