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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 7 Jun 1933

Vol. 48 No. 1

Electoral (Amendment) Bill, 1933—Second Stage.

I beg to move: —

That the Bill be now read a Second Time.

This Bill is consequential on the Constitution (Removal of Oath) Act, 1933. That Act made certain amendments in the Constitution, and the purpose of this Bill is to make in the electoral law certain necessary amendments and repeals without which the electoral law would be inconsistent with the Constitution as now amended. With regard to the deposit of £100 made by a candidate as part of his nomination at a Dáil election, if he is elected he has proved definitely that he was a bona fide candidate. In such a case the deposit will be returned as soon as practicable after the result of the election is declared. As there is no longer an oath prescribed by the Constitution, taking the oath is not a condition precedent to a candidate taking a seat in the House, and the reservation to that effect is now removed from the Electoral Act. It is not necessary to make any further provision in the electoral law as regards taking a seat in the House, since each House of the Oireachtas has power under Article 20 of the Constitution to make its own Standing Orders. For the orderly transaction of business each member must comply with Standing Orders, and taking a seat in the House is part of the ordinary business. The proposed alteration in the terms of Sections 51 and 57 of the Electoral Act of 1923 is merely declaratory of the powers of the House, and the Committee on Procedure and Privileges will no doubt consider whether the existing Standing Orders will require any alteration. I move the Second Reading of this Bill.

This measure is designed to amend an Act which might be described as the Enfranchisement of the Fianna Fáil Party, as I believe it had some responsibility for introducing them into this House. The real fault in this measure, as far as the Dáil is concerned, is in Section 2, which may be said to perpetuate absenteeism because of a member having been elected who may still decline to enter the House and no penalty is attached to that position. I think that Section 2 might reasonably be amended to provide for the payment of the deposit when a member takes his seat. That completes the transaction. The only thing that might be said in respect of that is that as illness sometimes delays a person taking his seat provision might be made for that. But as it stands, the Standing Orders, as the Minister says, can make regulations in respect of how members should take their seats and so forth. The Bill was originally intended to ensure that this House would be fully representative of persons returned to it. We will revert to the position in which we were before the original Act was passed if Section 2, as it is drawn in the Bill, is allowed to stand.

One or two matters that are having attention from the Minister for Finance in connection with this Bill is, first, the question of the payment of members, and then this other question of the deposit is being considered in that connection also.

Question put: "That the Electoral (Amendment) Bill, 1933, be now read a Second Time."
The Dáil divided: Tá, 67; Níl, 47.

  • Bartley, Gerald.
  • Beegan, Patrick.
  • Boland, Gerald.
  • Bourke, Daniel.
  • Brady, Brian.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Breathnach, Cormac.
  • Breen, Daniel.
  • Briscoe, Robert.
  • Browne, William Frazer.
  • Carty, Frank.
  • Clery, Micheál.
  • Concannon, Helena.
  • Corish, Richard.
  • Crowley, Timothy.
  • Daly, Denis.
  • Davin, William.
  • Derrig, Thomas.
  • Doherty, Hugh.
  • Donnelly, Eamon.
  • Dowdall, Thomas P.
  • Everett, James.
  • Flynn, John.
  • Flynn, Stephen.
  • Gibbons, Seán.
  • Goulding, John.
  • Hales, Thomas.
  • Harris, Thomas.
  • Hayes, Seán.
  • Houlihan, Patrick.
  • Jordan, Stephen.
  • Keely, Séamus P.
  • Kehoe, Patrick.
  • Kelly, James Patrick.
  • Kelly, Thomas.
  • Keyes, Michael.
  • Killilea, Mark.
  • Kissane, Eamonn.
  • Lemass, Seán F.
  • Little, Patrick John.
  • Lynch, James B.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • MacEntee, Seán.
  • Maguire, Ben.
  • Maguire Conor Alexander.
  • Moane, Edward.
  • Moore, Séamus.
  • Murphy, Patrick Stephen.
  • Murphy, Timothy Joseph.
  • Norton, William.
  • O'Briain, Donnchadh.
  • O'Dowd, Patrick.
  • O'Grady, Seán.
  • O'Kelly, Seán Thomas.
  • O'Reilly, Matthew.
  • Pattison, James P.
  • Pearse, Margaret Mary.
  • Rice, Edward.
  • Ruttledge, Patrick Joseph.
  • Ryan, James.
  • Ryan, Martin.
  • Ryan, Robert.
  • Sheridan, Michael.
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Traynor, Oscar.
  • Victory, James.
  • Walsh, Richard.

Níl

  • Alton, Ernest Henry.
  • Bennett, George Cecil.
  • Bourke, Séamus.
  • Brennan, Michael.
  • Brodrick, Seán.
  • Burke, James Michael.
  • Burke, Patrick.
  • Coburn, James.
  • Cosgrave, William T.
  • Costello, John Aloysius.
  • Curran, Richard.
  • Daly, Patrick.
  • Davis, Michael.
  • Davitt, Robert Emmet.
  • Dockrell, Henry Morgan.
  • Dolan, James Nicholas.
  • Doyle, Peadar S.
  • Esmonde, Osmond Grattan.
  • Fagan, Charles.
  • Finlay, John.
  • Fitzgerald, Desmond.
  • Fitzgerald-Kenney, James.
  • Good, John.
  • Keating, John.
  • Lynch, Finian.
  • MacEoin, Seán.
  • McFadden, Michael Og.
  • McGilligan, Patrick.
  • McGuire, James Ivan.
  • Minch, Sydney B.
  • Morrisroe, James.
  • Mulcahy, Richard.
  • Murphy, James Edward.
  • Nally, Martin.
  • O'Connor, Batt.
  • O'Higgins, Thomas Francis.
  • O'Mahony, The.
  • O'Neill, Eamonn.
  • O'Sullivan, Gearoid.
  • O'Sullivan, John Marcus.
  • Redmond, Bridget Mary.
  • Reidy, James.
  • Rice, Vincent.
  • Roddy, Martin.
  • Rogers, Patrick James.
  • Thrift, William Edward.
  • Wall, Nicholas.
Tellers:—Tá: Deputies Little and Traynor; Níl: Deputies Doyle and Bennett.
Question declared carried.
Committee Stage ordered to be taken on Wednesday, June 14th.
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