I move: That the Dáil agree with the Committee in Resolution No. 1.
In Committee. - Financial Resolution—Report.
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Session and Chapter |
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Extent of Repeal |
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6 & 7 Will. IV, c. 116. |
Grand Jury (Ireland) Act, 1836. |
Section 168, to the words “mentioned therein.” |
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1 & 2 Vic., c. 53. |
County Treasurers (Ireland) Act, 1838. |
Section 1. |
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1 & 2 Vic., c. 56. |
Poor Relief (Ireland) Act, 1838. |
Section 96. |
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7 & 8 Vic, c. 106. |
County Dublin Grand Jury Act, 1844. |
Section 148 to the words “mentioned therein.” |
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9 & 10 Vic., c. 60. |
Grand Jury Cess Act, 1846. |
The whole Act. |
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42 & 43 Vic., c. 25. |
Dispensary Houses (Ire- land) Act, 1879. |
Section 14. |
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I should like to know if the Minister has anything to say with regard to the oil business, in addition to what he said on Committee Stage. Having regard to the representations made to him as regards staff duties, does he propose still to insist upon tricking local bodies into substantial additional expenditure? As regards the tobacco duties, is the Minister in a position to tell the growers of tobacco what they are going to get for the payment of this licence fee?
These Resolutions will have to be put separately. I suggest that the Deputy should confine himself, for the present, to the first Resolution.
I am content to do that.
There has been no development in this connection since the Resolution was first moved. The position in that respect is unchanged. I am not quite sure as to the point on which the Deputy requires information. The circumstances in which the duty was imposed were explained when the Resolution was first moved and there has been no variation since then.
The Minister's attitude is the same now as it was then?
Quite. I should mention that it is the intention to have an amendment introduced into the Finance Bill which will make clear that benzol, which is, apparently, covered by the definition, will not be liable to the duty. That is to get over a difficulty of definition.
Tá.
- Aiken, Frank.
- Bartley, Gerald.
- Beegan, Patrick.
- Blaney, Neal.
- Bourke, Daniel.
- Brady, Brian.
- Brady, Seán.
- Breathnach, Cormac.
- Breen, Daniel.
- Concannon, Helena.
- Cooney, Eamonn.
- Corkery, Daniel.
- Crowley, Fred. Hugh.
- Crowley, Timothy.
- Daly, Denis.
- De Valera, Eamon.
- Donnelly, Eamon.
- Fogarty, Andrew.
- Gibbons, Seán.
- Goulding, John.
- Hales, Thomas.
- Hayes, Seán.
- Jordan, Stephen.
- Keely, Séamus P.
- Kehoe, Patrick.
- Kelly, James Patrick.
- Kelly, Thomas.
- Keyes, Michael.
- Kilroy, Michael.
- Kissane, Eamonn.
- Lemass, Seán F.
- Little, Patrick John.
- Lynch, James B.
- McEllistrim, Thomas.
- MacEntee, Seán.
- Maguire, Ben.
- Maguire, Conor Alexander.
- Moane, Edward.
- Moore, Séamus.
- Moylan, Seán.
- Norton, William.
- O Briain, Donnchadh.
- O'Grady, Seán.
- O Ceallaigh, Seán T.
- O'Reilly, Matthew.
- Pattison, James P.
- Pearse, Margaret Mary.
- Rice, Edward.
- Ruttledge, Patrick Joseph.
- Ryan, James.
- Ryan, Martin.
- Ryan, Robert.
- Traynor, Oscar.
- Victory, James.
- Walsh, Richard.
- Ward, Francis C.
Níl.
- Anthony, Richard.
- Bennett, George Cecil.
- Bourke, Séamus.
- Brennan, Michael.
- Broderick, William Joseph.
- Burke, Patrick.
- Coburn, James.
- Cosgrave, William T.
- Costello, John Aloysius.
- Daly, Patrick.
- Davis, Michael.
- Desmond, William.
- Dolan, James Nicholas.
- Doyle, Peadar S.
- Esmonde, Osmond Grattan.
- Fagan, Charles.
- Fitzgerald, Desmond.
- Holohan, Richard.
- Keating, John.
- MacDermot, Frank.
- McGilligan, Patrick.
- McGovern, Patrick.
- McMenamin, Daniel.
- Morrisroe, James.
- Mulcahy, Richard.
- Murphy, James Edward.
- Nally, Martin.
- O'Donovan, Timothy Joseph.
- O'Leary, Daniel.
- O'Neill, Eamonn.
- O'Sullivan, John Marcus.
- Redmond, Bridget Mary.
- Reidy, James.
- Rice, Vincent.
I move: "That the Dáil agree with the Committee in Resolution No. 2."
I would like to ask the Minister what return the tobacco growers are to get for the payment of this 5/-. When this Resolution was before the House, in Committee, there was a certain amount of criticism of the Government's attitude towards this industry. It was pointed out that there was a time when the Government considered this a tremendous industry and believed that the time had arrived, in this country, when they were in a position to foster it. The position is that in 1933 there were something like 730 acres of tobacco grown. For 1934, there was a very large number of applications in from farmers to be allowed to grow. The Minister for Finance permitted those who had grown the tobacco in 1933 to grow, I think, about 1,200 acres, but there were upwards of 5,000 other persons in the country who wanted to be allowed to grow tobacco in 1934 who were not allowed to grow it. I should like to hear from the Minister how many persons are going to be allowed licences this year for growing tobacco; whether the growing will be confined to the 1933 growers, and, if not, what classes of persons are going to be allowed to grow tobacco and to what number.
Again, I would ask the Minister, as this is perhaps the only opportunity of asking him in time, when the licences for tobacco growing in 1935 are to be issued? Much of the work in connection with the growing of tobacco for this year, such as the preparation of the ground and so on, was begun in October last, and, as far as we know, none of the people who have been preparing to grow tobacco this year have any idea whether or not they are going to be allowed to grow it this year or to what extent they will be allowed to grow it. The matter is of particular importance for them in view of the losses that many of them sustained last year. The Minister is aware that, owing to drought and wind last year, a very considerable amount of damage was done to the tobacco crop, and that many farmers, whom he is now saddling with a licence in order to get a permit to grow tobacco, met with substantial losses and are being paid coolie rates for the tobacco grown. A substantial amount of the tobacco grown last year will mean only 2½d. with a gross income to the farmer of 5d. with the subsidy taken into account. Foreign tobacco can be landed at 4d.
Has not this all been decided upon in the Act?
Was it decided in the Act that farmers would be let run on until late in February without letting them know whether they would be allowed to grow a crop this year for which they have had to begin preparations in October last?
What was or was not decided upon in the Act may not be debated here. It is not for the Chair to suggest what would be in order in that connection. I might say, however, that it would be in order to discuss the effect of this Resolution on the growers of tobacco.
I am asking what the growers are going to get for this 5/- that they are being asked to pay for a licence, and that involves some indication as to what arrangements the Minister for Finance, or the Minister for Agriculture if it is his Department, is making now to tell the farmers when they will be allowed to grow it and to what extent they will be allowed to grow. I suggest that it is not too much to ask the Minister how many licences he is going to issue this year.
Deputy Mulcahy put down a question yesterday on the 23rd January, I think, for answer on Wednesday, 13th February in which he asked for information as to the total acreage in each county for which applications for licences were made in 1934. He has asked for further information since and I suggest that he should use the proper machinery for eliciting that information, and that is, that he should use the Order Paper and put down a Parliamentary Question. In any event, the Minister for Finance is not the Minister who is responsible for the determination of the area to be devoted to tobacco cultivation.
Who does that?
I refer the Deputy to the Act. In the Act he will find that the Minister for Agriculture has a very important function in this matter, and that it is to the Minister for Agriculture his questions should have been addressed.
When I question the Minister for Agriculture, I am referred to the Revenue Commissioners.
One question, possibly, is pertinent to the debate, and that is what were licence-holders going to get for this 5/-. I think that that is the question the Deputy intended to put. They are going to get the right to grow tobacco on a certain limited acreage. I can say, for the information of the country generally, that I understand that the Minister for Agriculture proposes to fix the total acreage at 1,500 as the maximum amount of tobacco which he will permit to be grown and that, with certain exceptions provided for in the Resolution and the original Bill, subject to the condition that no person will be allowed to grow more than two acres, applications for acreage will be considered from all comers.
Will the licences for 1935 be confined to the 1933 growers?
I have nothing to add. As I say, applications will be considered from all comers.
Is the Minister in a position to say when the people who have applied for these licences are going to be told that they can go ahead with their work?
That is a subject for a Parliamentary Question.
Tá.
- Aiken, Frank.
- Bartley, Gerald.
- Beegan, Patrick.
- Blaney, Neal.
- Bourke, Daniel.
- Brady, Brian.
- Brady, Seán.
- Breathnach, Cormac.
- Breen, Daniel.
- Briscoe, Robert.
- Concannon, Helena.
- Cooney, Eamonn.
- Jordan, Stephen.
- Keely, Séamus P.
- Kehoe, Patrick.
- Kelly, James Patrick.
- Kelly, Thomas.
- Keyes, Michael.
- Kilroy, Michael.
- Kissane, Eamonn.
- Lemass, Seán F.
- Little, Patrick John.
- Lynch, James B.
- McEllistrim, Thomas.
- MacEntee, Seán.
- Maguire, Ben.
- Maguire, Conor Alexander.
- Moane, Edward.
- Moore, Séamus.
- Moylan, Seán.
- Corkery, Daniel.
- Crowley, Fred. Hugh.
- Crowley, Timothy.
- Daly, Denis.
- Davin, William.
- De Valera, Eamon.
- Donnelly, Eamon.
- Fogarty, Andrew.
- Gibbons, Seán.
- Goulding, John.
- Hales, Thomas.
- Hayes, Seán.
- Murphy, Timothy Joseph.
- Norton William.
- O Briain, Donnchadh.
- O'Grady, Seán.
- O Ceallaigh, Seán T.
- O'Reilly, Matthew.
- Pattison, James P.
- Pearse, Margaret Mary.
- Rice, Edward.
- Ruttledge, Patrick Joseph.
- Ryan, James.
- Ryan, Martin.
- Ryan, Robert.
- Traynor, Oscar.
- Victory, James.
- Walsh, Richard.
- Ward, Francis C.
Níl.
- Alton, Ernest Henry.
- Anthony, Richard.
- Bennett, George Cecil.
- Bourke, Séamus.
- Brennan, Michael.
- Broderick, William Joseph.
- Burke, Patrick.
- Coburn, James.
- Cosgrave, William T.
- Costello, John Aloysius.
- Curran, Richard.
- Daly, Patrick.
- Davis, Michael.
- Desmond, William.
- Dolan, James Nicholas.
- Doyle, Peadar S.
- Esmonde, Osmond Grattan.
- Fagan, Charles.
- Fitzgerald, Desmond.
- Holchan, Richard.
- Keating, John.
- MacDermot, Frank.
- McGilligan, Patrick.
- McGovern, Patrick.
- McMenamin, Daniel.
- Morrisroe, James.
- Mulcahy, Richard.
- Murphy, James Edward.
- Nally, Martin.
- O'Donovan, Timothy Joseph.
- O'Leary, Daniel.
- O'Neill, Eamonn.
- O'Sullivan, John Marcus.
- Redmond, Bridget Mary.
- Reidy, James.
- Rice, Vincent.
I move: "That the Dáil agree with the Committee in Resolution No. 3."
As was pointed out when this Resolution was considered in Committee, this is simply a case of the Minister in a scandalous way endeavouring to get back on the Dublin Corporation because they stood on their legal rights and succeeded in vindicating their attitude in the courts. The rights they stood for then and that they got vindicated in the courts are to be taken away from them by this Resolution. The Minister is so determined to pursue that line that he sweeps into the net every county council and a large number of other local bodies and imposes upon them a tax that they never had to pay before. The Minister's attitude in both cases is a scandalous one. He is imposing additional taxation on local bodies although he knows the condition in which some of these bodies are and has some indication as to the condition in which some of them will be when he tells them the position of the land annuity collection in the country.
Will the Minister tell us——
No, I will not tell.
——if this order really applies to rate receipts issued by the county councils and such matters as that? Will rate receipts be subject to stamp duty in future? If they will does the Minister realise what the repercussions and the reactions will be in view of the manner in which the rates are being paid?
I have nothing to add to what I have already said, except that the local authorities should be in the same position as every taxpayer; that is, they ought to pay their stamp duties in the same way as private citizens—who are much less wealthy— have to pay them. I do not understand Deputy Brennan's reference to repercussions in view of the way rates are being paid. The rates will have to be paid. It is the intention of the Government to see that the rates are collected and that people who are perfectly well able to pay their rates will pay them. This will not have any repercussions on them except very remotely and indirectly.
What will be the position when the rate collector is doing his best to collect the rates and has to take them in instalments? Assuming they are taken in three instalments, will there have to be three stamps or will the one stamp cover two or three instalments as the rate collector collects them?
That is not the concern of the Chair.
I protest. This is the Report Stage of the Resolution, and I have concluded on it.
On a point of order. Is Deputy McMenamin not entitled to speak on the Report Stage of the Resolution?
Not after the Minister has concluded.
The Minister did not make an attempt to reply.
The Chair has no function in that matter. The Chair cannot compel the Minister to reply.
Do I understand, Sir, that you are ruling that the Minister has concluded?
With what remarks did he conclude?
That is not the concern of the Chair.
Tá.
- Aiken, Frank.
- Bartley, Gerald.
- Beegan, Patrick.
- Blaney, Neal.
- Bourke, Daniel.
- Brady, Brian.
- Brady, Seán.
- Breathnach, Cormac.
- Breen, Daniel.
- Briscoe, Robert.
- Concannon, Helena.
- Corkery, Daniel.
- Crowley, Fred. Hugh.
- Crowley, Timothy.
- Daly, Denis.
- Davin, William.
- De Valera, Eamon.
- Donnelly, Eamon.
- Fogarty, Andrew.
- Gibbons, Seán.
- Goulding, John.
- Hales, Thomas.
- Hayes, Seán.
- Jordan, Stephen.
- Keely, Séamus P.
- Kehoe, Patrick.
- Kelly, James Patrick.
- Kelly, Thomas.
- Keyes, Michael.
- Kilroy, Michael.
- Kissane, Eamonn.
- Lemass, Seán F.
- Little, Patrick John.
- Lynch, James B.
- McEllistrim, Thomas.
- MacEntee, Seán.
- Maguire, Ben.
- Maguire, Conor Alexander.
- Moane, Edward.
- Moore, Séamus.
- Moylan, Seán.
- Murphy, Timothy Joseph.
- O Briain, Donnchadh.
- O'Grady, Seán.
- O Ceallaigh, Seán T.
- O'Reilly, Matthew.
- Pattison, James P.
- Pearse, Margaret Mary.
- Rice, Edward.
- Ruttledge, Patrick Joseph.
- Ryan, James.
- Ryan, Martin.
- Ryan, Robert.
- Traynor, Oscar.
- Victory, James.
- Walsh, Richard.
- Ward, Francis C.
Níl.
- Alton, Ernest Henry.
- Anthony, Richard.
- Bennett, George Cecil.
- Brennan, Michael.
- Broderick, William Joseph.
- Burke, Patrick.
- Coburn, James.
- Cosgrave, William T.
- Costello, John Aloysius.
- Curran, Richard.
- Daly, Patrick.
- Davis, Michael.
- Desmond, William.
- Dolan, James Nicholas.
- Doyle, Peadar S.
- Esmonde, Osmond Grattan.
- Fagan, Charles.
- Fitzgerald, Desmond.
- Good, John.
- Holohan, Richard.
- Keating, John.
- Lynch, Finian.
- MacDermot, Frank.
- McGilligan, Patrick.
- McGovern, Patrick.
- McMenamin, Daniel.
- Morrisroe, James.
- Mulcahy, Richard.
- Murphy, James Edward.
- Nally, Martin.
- O'Donovan, Timothy Joseph.
- O'Leary, Daniel.
- O'Neill, Eamonn.
- O'Sullivan, John Marcus.
- Redmond, Bridget Mary.
- Reidy, James.
- Rice, Vincent.
I move: That the Dáil agree with the Committee in Resolution No. 4.
The Minister is mulcting a small number of people, who own old cars, and who were given certain concessions some years ago, to the extent of £15,000 per year. When the Resolution was before us in Committee the Minister was asked why he selected this particular time to take from these people certain concessions that it was considered they ought to have.
Because it is felt that the concessions were an anomaly which should no longer exist.
And because you are £750,000 down in income tax. I suppose that would have something to say to it.
Tá.
- Aiken, Frank.
- Bartley, Gerald.
- Beegan, Patrick.
- Blaney, Neal.
- Boland, Gerald.
- Bourke, Daniel.
- Brady, Brian.
- Brady, Seán.
- Breathnach, Cormac.
- Breen, Daniel.
- Briscoe, Robert.
- Concannon, Helena.
- Corkery, Daniel.
- Crowley, Fred. Hugh.
- Crowley, Timothy.
- Daly, Denis.
- Davin, William.
- De Valera, Eamon.
- Donnelly, Eamon.
- Fogarty, Andrew.
- Gibbons, Seán.
- Goulding, John.
- Hales, Thomas.
- Hayes, Seán.
- Jordan, Stephen.
- Keely, Séamus P.
- Kehoe, Patrick.
- Kelly, James Patrick.
- Kelly, Thomas.
- Keyes, Michael.
- Kilroy, Michael.
- Kissane, Eamonn.
- Lemass, Seán F.
- Lynch, James B.
- McEllistrim, Thomas.
- MacEntee, Seán.
- Maguire, Ben.
- Maguire, Conor Alexander.
- Moane, Edward.
- Moore, Séamus.
- Moylan, Seán.
- Murphy, Timothy Joseph.
- Norton, William.
- O Briain, Donnchadh.
- O'Grady, Seán.
- O Ceallaigh, Seán T.
- O'Reilly, Matthew.
- Pattison, James P.
- Pearse, Margaret Mary.
- Rice, Edward.
- Ruttledge, Patrick Joseph.
- Ryan, Martin.
- Ryan, Robert.
- Traynor, Oscar.
- Victory, James.
- Walsh, Richard.
- Ward, Francis C.
Níl.
- Alton, Ernest Henry.
- Anthony, Richard.
- Bennett, George Cecil.
- Brennan, Michael.
- Broderick, William Joseph.
- Burke, Patrick.
- Coburn, James.
- Cosgrave, William T.
- Costello, John Aloysius.
- Curran, Richard.
- Daly, Patrick.
- Davis, Michael.
- Desmond, William.
- Dolan, James Nicholas.
- Doyle, Peadar S.
- Esmonde, Osmond Grattan.
- Fagan, Charles.
- Fitzgerald, Desmond.
- Good, John.
- Holohan, Richard.
- Keating, John.
- Lynch, Finian.
- MacDermot, Frank.
- McGilligan, Patrick.
- McGovern, Patrick.
- McMenamin, Daniel.
- Morrisroe, James.
- Mulcahy, Richard.
- Murphy, James Edward.
- Nally, Martin.
- O'Donovan, Timothy Joseph.
- O'Leary, Daniel.
- O'Neill, Eamonn.
- O'Sullivan, John Marcus.
- Redmond, Bridget Mary.
- Reidy, James.
- Rice, Vincent.
- Thrift, William Edward.