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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 10 May 1939

Vol. 75 No. 16

Financial Resolutions. - Resolution No. 1—Income-Tax and Surtax.

I move Resolution No. 1:—

(1) That income-tax shall be charged for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1939, at the rate of 5/6 in the pound.

(2) That surtax for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1939, shall be charged in respect of the income of any individual the total of which from all sources exceeds £1,500 and shall be so charged at the same rates (including increases made by any Act passed in the said year after the passing of this Resolution) as those at which it is charged for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1938.

(3) That the several statutory and other provisions which were in force on the 5th day of April, 1939, in relation to income-tax and surtax and also the provisions relating to increases in the rates of surtax contained in any Act passed in the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1939, and after the passing of this Resolution shall have effect in relation to the income-tax and surtax to be charged as aforesaid for the said year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1939.

(4) It is hereby declared that it is expedient in the public interest that this Resolution shall have statutory effect under the provisions of the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act, 1927 (No. 7 of 1927).

This is a general Resolution fixing the rates of income-tax and surtax.

There are certain points of similarity, Sir, between the Budget of this year and the Budget of last year and of the year before. Neither last year's Budget, nor the Budget of the year before balanced, and this Budget, drawn or explained as it is by the Minister, will not balance either. Borrowing money for the purpose of affording employment cannot be defended, and to that extent the £350,000 which the Minister proposes to borrow in respect of the relief of unemployment unbalances his Budget. Now, the difference between this Budget and the two previous Budgets is this: This Budget proposes to collect from the people £1,000,000 more than was collected last year. This might be said to be a normal year because no longer have we got the trouble which had been going on for some five or six years with Great Britain, and one would expect, in consequence, some relief to the taxpayers who had borne their share during those five or six difficult years. However, it appears that the more peace we get the more we are taxed for it, and the Minister, while complaining of the reduction in values and the consequent reduction in income during the past year, has forgotten, apparently, that a very steep rise has taken place in the value of Stock Exchange securities and, consequently, in stamps and so on, since 1932, all of which the Minister has entered into possession of, and spent.

Now, during the course of the statement to which we have just listened reference has been made to the National Debt of this country. Occasionally, one hears, from people speaking at annual demonstrations or disturbances of one kind or another which take place in Dublin during the year—banquets and so on which the Minister attends—references to the fact that our National Debt is very light. The Banking Commission did not take that view, and it compares the debt per head in this country with that of a number of other countries in Europe, somewhat similar or comparable to this country. In Denmark, with a population of 3,700,000, the debt per head of the population is £16, and the national income is £58 per year. Here, with a population of less than 3,000,000, the debt per head of the population is £24, and the national income, according to the Banking Commission, is under £50 per head. The whole of the debt of Denmark is off-set by covering assets, and 80 per cent. of the interest charges by investments in capital undertakings. The major part of the service of the debt of this country is provided from taxes. Again, Norway has a population within 150,000 of our own. The population is two-thirds rural. The State debt is £27 per head, almost wholly covered by investments in capital undertakings which provide 90 per cent. of the interest charges, and the national income is approximately £51 per head. In Sweden, which has twice the population of this country, the State debt is £20 per head, and there are no dead-weight charges for debt as receipts from productive funds more than cover the requirements. State assets considerably exceed the volume of debt and the national income is approximately £70 per head. Austria has disappeared, but, before its disappearance, the State debt was about £21 per head, the population being a little more than twice ours, and a high proportion of the interest charges covered by receipts from productive undertakings. The combined State debts of Latvia and Lithuania are less than one-tenth of that of this country. The Banking Commission, commenting on these matters, said that it would be easy to extend these references and that they should negative the contention that this country occupies a relatively favourable position in this matter, and they also said that this country was singular in the rate of increase of its debts, some of these countries having effected decreases in the past five years. They further stated that this country much exceeds any of the countries mentioned in the amount of its State tax per head of the population. This is where we are now.

If the Minister's doleful references at the end of his statement should happen to materialise, the position would be much worse. We have very little balance of income in this country upon which to put taxes. A point comes in connection with taxation at which, when the rate of tax is increased, the revenue from it decreases, I observed during the last few years that those who spend most of their time criticising our neighbours across the water are apt either to quote or to follow the example of these same people when it happens to suit. Our neighbours have at least a little balance still left to deal with an abnormal situation. Here, where the national income shows no immediate sign of expansion, we find year after year, increasing taxation, increasing local and national indebtedness.

When the Minister was introducing his Budget, some seven years ago, he said he was going to tax the rich. I watched one of these particular taxes with interest during those years. It was a tax upon a class of people for whom the ordinary citizen has little sympathy, the surtax payer. The net was widened and people were brought in who formerly were not liable to that tax. It was assessed on incomes of £1,500 to £2,000 a year and the rate was increased. Strangely enough, in no year since, has the Minister collected within £150,000 of what was collected in the year before he increased the tax. A sum of £780,000 was collected in that year and at no time since have we approached anything like that figure. It is very easy to say: tax the rich, or to say: tax anybody, but it is another thing to get the tax, and in that particular case, by reason of the increase which the Minister with his colleagues and his friends of the Labour Party who applauded him for it imposed, we have lost approximately £250,000 during the past two years and £100,000 or £150,000 in the first two or three years. Much the same thing may happen with regard to the present proposals.

This is meant to be a popular Budget, but it suffers from this defect that, although taxation is being increased to the extent of £1,174,000, it is done at a time when, as the Minister says, there is some uneasiness. My impression is that the present situation does not call for all that uneasiness and uncertainty. There are hopeful signs and the situation is not so dangerous as some of those who suffer from political hysteria would have us believe, and it is a time when the people of this country are entitled to get a constructive Budget from the Government. If we are to estimate the value of this Budget on the basis of the tables in the Financial Statement which has been issued, may I direct attention to the last page, in which it is claimed that the agricultural industry in this country is benefiting to the extent of £10,500,000 in this year. Surely somebody suffering from some sort of mania wrote out this particular instrument. Let us examine two items:—

"From ad hoc legislation for the improvement of agriculture.

Agricultural Produce (Cereals) Acts, 1933 to 1938: wheat scheme:—

(a) Value of estimated increased production of wheat for sale to millers (on basis of Australian wheat price)—£900,000.

(b) Increase in value of (a) through operation of minimum fixed prices (allowing for excess of 2/6 over minimum price per barrel as paid by millers last year) —£1,000,000."

Why, the business people of the Cities of Dublin and Cork will be holding up farmers after this Budget is passed, if that be the case. But a still greater joke than that is the following:—

"Pigs and Bacon Acts, 1935 to 1938:

"Increase in value of home produced bacon to producers as a result of Prices Orders (abated as to increased cost of foodstuffs), £1,300,000."

The word "producers" there is ambiguous. I do not know whether it refers to the curers or to the pig raisers, but even if it refers to both, it is typical of this Budget. In every respect, this provides for a decreasing income for the farmers, for fewer people on the land and for less profits for those on the land. The same reference can be made to the expenditure under the Land Commission. We are providing huge sums of money for a falling population. We are expending £600,000 more this year on education for a smaller number of children. If we concerned ourselves more with the real things that matter to the people, with making the basic industry of the country prosperous, taking from it the enormous costs which are being added to it year after year and which are making it impossible for those engaged in it to have any happiness or prosperity, then we might have some hope for the future of the country. Until this mania of expenditure has passed, until we come down to earth and realise that the prosperity of this country depends on agriculture, and that we must relieve it and help it, not by figures, but by real work, it is humbug for us to talk about 55 pages of a statement in connection with these matters that are dealt with in a manner designed to show that the agricultural industry is prospering in the country. The Government would be much better engaged in formulating a constructive policy, based upon an increase in profitable agricultural production. That policy would make farming again an attractive livelihood and would ensure much more people being employed and contented on the land.

I think it will be admitted that never was there such a pessimistic tone in the speeches of the Minister for Finance as that we have heard to-day. I think it will also be admitted that the whole statement is without vision and without hope for the future of the country. I think it will be further admitted that his last reference on page 54 of the statement could be looked upon as the statement of a gambler. He appears to have no hope at all for the future of this country. The Minister and his Party often refer to the credit of the country. I do not think the credit of the country will rise very high after the statement just made by the Minister. I can see no hope for the curing of unemployment in that statement, and, as I said before, it shows no vision and no hope of any industrial improvement in the country, and nothing is put forward by the Minister or his Government to show that they realise the position which this country is in at present, in so far as industry and the number of people who are unemployed are concerned.

It will be noted that during the statement the Minister repeated the statement made by Deputy Flinn, the Parliamentary Secretary, in a debate on unemployment schemes recently, that it is almost impossible at the moment to find schemes in the various areas on which money could be spent. I do not agree at all with that statement. I think that very many schemes, good schemes, can be found in the various localities to enable such money to be spent. During the course of his statement the Minister also referred to the debts of local authorities. I think the Minister and the Government should be reminded here that in recent years the debts of local authorities have been increased enormously in consequence of Government policy. Again, I would refer to the Vote for the relief of unemployment. When a grant is given to an area it is mandatory on the council operating in that area that they themselves should put up a certain amount of money. The previous Government gave certain grants to help the unemployed, and local authorities were never called upon to put up any money to supplement the amount so given. It may be said, of course, that the amounts given now are greater than those given in the time of the Fine Gael Government, but that does not alter the situation, because the local ratepayers are asked to do something which this Government admitted it was their purpose and their duty to do when they first came into office.

Under one of the local authorities of which I am a member it is costing the ratepayers a sum of 2/7 in the £— money which has been put on definitely in order to augment or supplement grants that have been given under Government policy for the relief of unemployment. It would be very unpopular—and something that local authorities could not face—to refuse to accept some of those grants. In consequence, local authorities are called upon to supplement them. Something will have to be done in the very near future to remove this burden.

Local authorities all over the country, along with the Government, are doing their very best in order to relieve the housing shortage. That is costing a good deal of money because, even taking into account the Government grant of two-thirds for a house, the rents are too high for the people to pay, and the local authorities are themselves subsidising each house they build. It will be found that during the past five or six years rates have increased under urban authorities on an average of 3/- or 4/- all over the country and that is a very serious position.

Deputy Cosgrave referred to the statement made by the Minister for Finance when he said he was going to tax the rich. I would like to congratulate him on this occasion that he has confined himself to the taxing of the rich. There should be a tax on what might be considered luxuries. I do not consider tobacco to be a luxury. Many a poor man in receipt of unemployment assistance or with a low rate of wages will find it hard to meet even a small tax on tobacco, and, as the Minister said, it undoubtedly will be passed on to the consumer. I must say that I did expect that there would have been a tax on the necessaries of the people, owing to the big expenditure contemplated this year for the Army.

To come back again to the reference of Deputy Cosgrave on the statement made by the Minister for Finance early in his career as Minister that he would tax the rich and relieve the poor and that the Labour Party applauded him for this, we did and will continue to do so, because we maintain that the rich are not paying their due proportion towards the taxation of this country. In 1929-30 the total tax revenue was £20,611,000. After nine years of depression, during the period of the economic war, the tax revenue for 1938-39 was £25,987,000, being an increase of 26.2 per cent. This is drawn mainly from the poorer classes, from the ordinary man in the street. I take it that 70.5 per cent. is obtained in indirect taxation, that is on food, clothing, household utensils and articles of everyday use. Our wealthy classes— or supposedly wealthy classes—are paying slightly less than 30 per cent. of the nation's taxes, or were doing so up to this year, and the mass of the people are paying 70 per cent. In England the wealthy classes are paying 53 per cent, as against our 29.5 per cent, and the sum levied on the masses of the people in England is 47 per cent. as against 70.5 per cent. here.

In the financial year 1926/27 in this country income-tax and surtax yielded £5,063,000; in 1936/37 the yield was £5,284,000—an increase of 4.3 per cent. A complete census of industrial production was taken in 1926 and again in 1936. This showed that the net value of output remaining with the employers, after payment of wages, was in 1926 £9,000,000; in 1936 it was £15,000,000—that is to say, the net profit increased between 1926 and 1936 by £6,000,000, or 66 per cent. The payments in income-tax in the same period increased by only 4.3 per cent.

I believe all this goes to show that some relief should be given to the ordinary people and some attention should be paid to people who have gained to such an extent over that period of years. The Minister has stated to-day that the existing sources of revenue will soon dry up rapidly. As far as that is concerned, I do not know where he is going to get any more taxation from the ordinary people. He says that the Minister for Industry and Commerce has quite recently made some adjustments in his Department which have taken certain revenue from him. I suggest that in the case of home-manufactured goods there is a good deal of profiteering going on in a great many cases and the people set up to manufacture goods here are getting a very decent profit by reason of the fact that, in many instances, they are putting on an amount equivalent to the tariff—or something approaching it, at any rate. The people are being fleeced by this extra imposition, and in that connection I would suggest that the Prices Commission is not moving half swiftly enough. Attention should be paid to that situation.

As I have said, I think that the Minister has adopted a very pessimistic tone in introducing this Budget, and if the credit of the country is going to suffer it is by such statements as that made by the Minister before he sat down.

Question put.
The Committee divided: Tá, 62; Níl, 35.

  • Aiken, Frank.
  • Allen, Denis.
  • Bartley, Gerald.
  • Beegan, Patrick.
  • Boland, Gerald.
  • Brady, Brian.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Breathnach, Cormac.
  • Breslin, Cormac.
  • Briscoe, Robert.
  • Carty, Frank.
  • Childers, Erskine H.
  • Corish, Richard.
  • Crowley, Fred Hugh.
  • Crowley, Tadhg.
  • Derrig, Thomas.
  • Kissane, Eamon.
  • Lemass, Seán F.
  • Little, Patrick J.
  • Loughman, Francis.
  • Lynch, James B.
  • McDevitt, Henry A.
  • MacEntee, Seán.
  • Maguire, Ben.
  • Meaney, Cornelius.
  • Moran, Michael.
  • Morrissey, Michael.
  • Mullen, Thomas.
  • Munnelly, John.
  • Murphy, Timothy J.
  • O Briain, Donnchadh.
  • De Valera, Eamon.
  • Everett, James.
  • Flynn, John.
  • Flynn, Stephen.
  • Fogarty, Andrew.
  • Friel, John.
  • Fuller, Stephen.
  • Gorry, Patrick J.
  • Harris, Thomas.
  • Hickey, James.
  • Humphreys, Francis.
  • Hurley, Jeremiah.
  • Kelly, James P.
  • Kelly, Thomas.
  • Kennedy, Michael J.
  • Keyes, Michael.
  • O'Grady, Seán.
  • O'Loghlen, Peter J.
  • O'Reilly, Matthew.
  • O'Rourke, Daniel.
  • O'Sullivan, Ted.
  • Pattison, James P.
  • Ryan, James.
  • Ryan, Robert.
  • Sheridan, Mechael.
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Traynor, Oscar.
  • Victory, James.
  • Walsh, Laurence J.
  • Walsh, Richard.
  • Ward, Conn.

Níl

  • Belton, Patrick.
  • Bennett, George C.
  • Benson, Ernest E.
  • Brasier, Brooke.
  • Brennan, Michael.
  • Broderick, William J.
  • Browne, Patrick.
  • Burke, Patrick.
  • Coburn, James.
  • Cogan, Patrick.
  • Cosgrave, William T.
  • Curran, Richard.
  • Daly, Patrick.
  • Dillon, James M.
  • Dockrell, Henry M.
  • Doyle, Peadar S.
  • Esmonde, John L.
  • Giles, Patrick.
  • Gorey, Denis J.
  • Hannigan, Joseph.
  • Hughes, James.
  • Keating, John.
  • Linehan, Timothy.
  • McFadden, Michael Og.
  • McGovern, Patrick.
  • McMenamin, Daniel.
  • Mongan, Joseph W.
  • Morrissey, Daniel.
  • Mulcahy, Richard.
  • Nally, Martin.
  • O'Higgins, Thomas F.
  • O'Neill, Eamonn.
  • O'Sullivan, John M.
  • Rogers, Patrick J.
  • Ryan, Jeremiah.
Tellers:—Tá: Deputies Little and Smith; Níl: Deputies Doyle and Bennett.
Resolution declared carried.
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