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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 22 Feb 1945

Vol. 96 No. 5

Seeds and Fertilisers Supply Bill, 1945—Second and Subsequent stages.

The purpose of the Bill is to continue in operation the Seeds and Fertilisers Supply Act, 1942, for the period 1st August, 1944, to 31st July, 1947. There has been a Seeds and Fertilisers Supply Act every year since 1940 and in view of the necessity for maintaining food production, it is proposed that this Bill will extend the facilities for a period of three years. As most Deputies know, the Bill is an enabling Bill. It enables county councils to provide seeds and fertilisers on credit terms to cultivators of land. It also validates schemes which have been in operation since July last when last year's Act expired. The Bill is a permissive . It gives county councils the power to adopt schemes if they wish to do so. It is in no sense an agricultural credit Bill. It is more in the nature of a minor social service whose purpose is to help necessitous cultivators to obtain the necessary credit so that they can purchase seeds and fertilisers and thus produce food for themselves and their families.

All the county councils, with one exception, have adopted this scheme this year. The total number of loans last year was 5,453 and the total expenditure or money advanced was £55,169. The average loan has been in the nature of £10 per borrower. In case Deputies would like the figures for the various years, I will mention them briefly. The figure for 1939-40 was 3,157; for 1940-41, 9,269; for 1941-42, 5,509; for 1942-43, 5,465; and, as I already stated, for 1943-44, 5,453.

As Deputies know, under the 1942 Act the State guarantees half the loss that might be experienced by a county council provided the Minister for Local Government is satisfied that due care was exercised in selecting the persons who have not repaid the money they owe and provided that he is able to certify that the loss is regarded as irrecoverable. No applications, in fact, have been made to the Minister for Local Government in respect of any county, so that any losses on advances not repaid must have been too small to warrant the county councils taking any action. Equally, the amounts owing arising from the operation of this scheme in the various years are very small. For example, in respect of the scheme operated for the year 1941-42 the total amount owing in July, 1943, the succeeding year, was £3,449. In the next succeeding year the amount still owing from the scheme which operated from 1941-42 was only £1,269.

That is for the Twenty-Six Counties?

Yes. Therefore, the scheme appears to operate fairly successfully. In fact, in the last year for which we have figures, the number of persons who did not make any payment on account of the scheme was extremely small and they came mostly from three counties. We are attempting to take such action as we can to see that the payments are made.

As I have already said, the Bill is in the nature of a small minor social service and has definite limitations, but it is of continuing value to the community. The Government is proposing to renew it for three years, since we envisage the continuance of the emergency and, in any event, as long as there appears to be demand for these facilities the Government thinks it worth while to maintain them.

Would the Parliamentary Secretary say what county did not make any application?

County Kerry was the only county which made no application and did not take part in the scheme.

We have no objection to the Bill. I suppose it is serving a useful purpose in a very small way. I am glad that the Parliamentary Secretary has described it as a minor social service rather than as an agricultural credit scheme, since it is a minor social service and is not at all an attempt to provide credit for agriculture. It is really providing credit for people unable to secure credit in the ordinary way. Whatever credit problem there was in the past, so far as the ordinary small farmer was concerned, has been met to a great extent by merchants extending credit in trade. The people unable to secure credit of that sort are very few indeed and in so far as this scheme helps that type of person it serves a useful purpose. We agree to the Bill.

I think this is a very desirable scheme. There is one point that struck me in the figures which the Parliamentary Secretary gave. The figure for 1940-41, 9,000, appeared to be almost double that for any other year. Is there any reason for that, other than possible fear of the emergency when it was at its most acute stage? Could the Parliamentary Secretary tell us why it should have dropped immediately afterwards back to half and remained at that? I regard this as a very useful social service, which immediately marks out those who take on a job like this. It shows they are not afraid to work for their wives and families. I think it is a very desirable Bill.

In reply to Deputy Dockrell, we have no actual explanation for the large number of applications in that particular year. It may have been due to the fact that a number of people who got a start, so to speak, by obtaining a loan found they did not need to obtain the same facilities in the next year. I assure the Deputy that we take every possible step, by way of public advertisement and by way of letters addressed to secretaries of county councils, to popularise this scheme. On the 2nd November, 1943, we addressed a letter to all county councils pointing out various ways in which they could, within the ambit of the Act, make things as easy as possible for small cultivators. We suggested ways and means of interpreting the Act in connection with the sureties required and the type of people to receive these loans. We did everything we possibly could, within the terms of the Act, to make things easy; so we feel that we have done our utmost in the matter. As I have said, we have no real explanation for the unusually large number in the year mentioned.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take the remaining stages now.
Bill passed through Committee without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
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