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Dáil Éireann debate -
Friday, 8 Nov 1946

Vol. 103 No. 4

Rates on Agricultural Land (Relief) Bill, 1946—Second Stage.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. The Minister for Finance in his Budget statement this year announced his intention of asking the Dáil to vote an increase in the agricultural grant in order to allow further rate relief to occupiers of agricultural land. At the time the announcement was made the county councils were well advanced in the preparations for levying the rates for the current year. Accordingly on the Dáil approving of the Minister's proposals, the councils had to be instructed to take steps to make the additional relief available in respect of the present rates.

As these reliefs differ from those provided for in the existing law, which is contained in the Rates on Agricultural Land (Relief) Act, 1939, it is necessary to bring in this amending Bill to give statutory authority to them and to the action which has been taken by the councils in anticipation of such authority. The Bill, I should emphasise, also makes provision not only for the increased grant in relief of rates this year, but for next year as well.

As the House is aware, I am sure, the agricultural grant had its origin in the Local Government Act of 1898, and by reason of that fact, it has preserved in its allocation many features which arose out of the circumstances of that time. It amounted originally to one-half of the total amount raised by poor rate and county cess off agricultural land 50 years ago. For the whole of Ireland it was over £727,000, of which almost £600,000—£599,011 to be exact—was the share of the Twenty-Six Counties.

The agricultural grant remained at the sum at which it had been fixed until 1925. In that year the Oireachtas doubled the grant, thus increasing it to £1,198,022, at which figure it remained until 1931, when an additional sum of £750,000 was voted. In the following year, that is, the year 1932-33, the grant was again increased, this time by £250,000. For this allocation a new and novel basis was adopted.

The new grant was intended mainly to benefit the small farmer and was divided between the counties in proportion to the valuation of all holdings under £10, and for the first £10 of larger holdings, and was applied to the relief of rates on such holdings or parts of holdings. The addition of £250,000, to which I have referred, brought the total grant up to £2,198,022, which was the largest amount given in any year until the present. In the years following 1932-33 various changes were made in the amount of the grant and in the principles on which it was allocated until, in 1939, the Oireachtas passed the Rates on Agricultural Land (Relief) Act, by which the grant was fixed at £1,870,000 and the method of allocating and distributing it which has heretofore obtained was settled.

I assume, and I trust correctly, that it is not necessary for me to recount in full detail the main provisions of the 1939 Act. Briefly, it provided for the application of the agricultural grant to the relief of rates in three allowances which were known as the primary, the employment and the supplementary allowance, respectively. The primary allowance was given in respect of the rates on the first £20 valuation of every holding. Where the total valuation of the holding was less than £20, the primary allowance was given on the whole valuation of that holding. Where the owner had male relatives, or other men, employed on the holding a further limited allowance was given towards the rates on that valuation of the holding which was in excess of £20, and this constituted what was known as the employment allowance. Finally, the supplementary allowance was given in relief of the rates on that portion of the valuation of the holding in respect of which no other allowance was obtainable. Under the 1939 Act, the procedure for settling the amount of the allowances and determining the various rates of relief was somewhat cumbersome and perhaps even arbitrary. One of the merits which I think may be claimed for the present Bill is that it sweeps away many anachronisms and anomalies, and provides that the distribution of the allowances will be governed by simple mathematical formulae which will uniformly apply to the country as a whole. Last year, as the House knows, the distribution of the grant was governed by the 1939 Act. Out of the total of £1,870,000 available under that Act, the primary allowances took £1,212,740, the employment allowances took £351,298 and the supplementary allowances £297,093. The balance, amounting to £8,869 of the total grant, went to certain urban areas that had been constituted or whose boundaries had been extended since 1898. Under this Bill, the amount of the allowances under all heads will be very substantially increased. Thus, according to the estimates supplied by the county councils, the primary allowances will take over £1,820,000 as against £1,212,740, employment allowances will take about £590,000 as against £351,298, and the supplementary allowances over £460,000 as against £297,093.

In drafting the new measure which is to provide for regulating the distribution of these increases, the principle originally embodied in the scheme for 1932, that the greater need of the small farmer in this matter of rating relief must be provided for, has been retained. Whilst effecting this, however, it is also proposed, as I have mentioned, to bring about a general uniformity in the rate of the primary allowance.

I have already reminded the House that in the beginning the agricultural grant was equal to half the poor rates and county cess as they stood 50 years ago, but since then the rates have become widely different as between one county and another, so that, notwithstanding the efforts which have been made from time to time to secure greater uniformity of treatment over the State as a whole, great disparities still exist between the ratio of the grant to rates in the several counties.

The generous grant which this Bill provides for offers an opportunity to remedy this situation, and due advantage has been taken of it.

Henceforward the rates as they stood in a particular county 50 years ago will no longer affect the allocation or distribution of the agricultural grant and, what is perhaps equally important, it is not proposed to fix the grant at all in relation either to the primary or the supplementary allowance.

The amount of the grant will be what is needed to give the increased reliefs under these heads whatever that sum may be. This represents I think a concession of very great value indeed to the local authorities and to the agricultural community and I am sure will be fully appreciated by them.

After the passage of this Bill the primary allowance rate, which is the rate of relief given on all valuations up to £20 and on the first £20 of higher valuations, will be three-fifths of the general rate for the year and will, therefore, vary as the rate varies. This, I am sure, will commend itself to the Dáil. It is certainly, as I have said, an arrangement much more equitable in itself and much more favourable to the county councils than that hitherto obtaining. The supplementary allowance rate will be fixed at one-fifth of the general rate and will be allowed on the whole valuation above £20. At present, as we know, it is allowed only on that part of the valuation above £20 which does not rank for employment allowance.

In addition to these two allowances, there will be an employment allowance but it will be at a very much higher rate than the existing allowance. Hitherto the employment allowance varied according to the primary rate of relief—on the average it worked out at about £3 for each worker. As, however, a supplementary allowance was granted in respect of any valuation over £20 for which an employment allowance was not obtainable, the net advantage to the occupier who had a man at work was only about 30/-, because if he did not get an employment allowance he got a supplementary allowance. Under this Bill, the average net employment allowance will be more than trebled, for it is proposed to raise the allowance to a maximum of £6 10s. per man employed and to make it a uniform rate throughout the country. Hitherto the employment allowance rate varied by counties between the limits of 4/8½ and 8/8, because it varied with the primary allowance rate. Subject to the maximum prescribed by Section 7 (1) (c), it will be allowed both this year and next year in every county at the rate of 10/- in the £ on each £ of the valuation above £20. Perhaps an example will give the Dáil a better appreciation of what is intended. If, for instance, an occupier of land valued at £33 has one man, either relative or employee, at work he will get by way of relief: first, 3/5ths of the general rate on £20, then 1/5th on £13, which is the part of the valuation above £20 and, in addition, he will get the employment allowance of £6 10s., that is 10/- in the £ on £13.

What is this £6 10s.? Is that taken off his rate demand?

He will get a credit note for £6 10s. I was proceeding to take the context of the Bill and to explain briefly the purport of its several provisions. I take Section 1, naturally, to start with. The general rate, for the purposes of this Bill, is defined in Section 1. Except in County Dublin, the general rate means the rate levied over the whole of a county health district for any purpose except the defraying of charges for compensation for criminal injuries. I should mention here that in this matter——

What about separate charges?

I shall deal with them later. If the Deputy bears with me I hope I shall be able to explain any difficulties that appear in the context of the Bill.

I can assure the Minister I am very interested.

I have already mentioned that in relation to this definition, a special position obtains in County Dublin. In Cork County the circumstances are also peculiar because in that county there are three county health districts and each of them has its own general rate. The money value to individual ratepayers of the relief will vary, not only with the amount of the valuation and the employment they give, but also with the level of the general rate. The effect of that in Cork might perhaps be explained. Hitherto all occupiers of agricultural land in County Cork received relief at a uniform flat amount, irrespective of the varying general rates in the three county health districts. Thus the relief given by way of primary allowance was at the rate of 6/8 in the £. This applied in the North, South and West Cork County Health Districts. Henceforward, however, under this Bill in Cork, as elsewhere, the primary allowance will be the equivalent of a definite and prescribed fraction of the general rate in each of its county health districts, that is to say, three-fifths, while the supplementary allowance will likewise be definite and uniform at one-fifth, and the employment allowance similarly definite and uniform at the rate of 10/- in the £ on every £ of valuation in excess of 20.

I have mentioned and I am stressing, that under the Bill uniformity in the ratio of the allowance to the rate will obtain over the whole country and this will include Dublin County. But in that county, although there is only a single county health district, in contra-distinction to Cork where there is in one county three county health districts, there are three public assistance districts, each of which has a different rate. It is to meet this case that the reference is made in Section 1 to a public assistance district when defining the expression "the general rate in the pound." The primary and supplementary allowance will, of course, represent exactly the same fractions of the general rate in each public assistance district in County Dublin as they do in each county health district throughout the rest of the country, that is to say, three-fifths and one-fifth respectively, and the employment allowance will be reckoned, as elsewhere, at the rate of 10/- per £ of valuation over £20 and will be subject to the same maximum.

A further important consequence flows from the definition of the general rate as given in the Bill. I think this may perhaps touch on the question which Deputy Hughes was anxious to have answered a moment ago. This definition makes it clear that, for the purpose of the Bill, all rates levied over the whole of the rating area, county health district or public assistance district, as the case may be, for any purpose except for defraying charges for criminal injuries will be regarded as part of the general rate. Some counties will find this a substantial concession for, in a county where charges such as charges for piers and harbours, repayment of loans for housing and sanitary services, charges for public lighting and fire fighting, are listed amongst the separate charges but are in fact levied equally over the whole county health district, the rates of these charges will all be included in the general rate and the grant will go to the relief of such rates so far as they are assessed on agricultural land. They may be listed as separate charges but if they are levied over the whole of the rating area, they will count for relief under the section. I should point out, however, and I want to emphasise, that separate charges for such services as water, sewerage and light assessed on groups of townlands of former rural districts, will not rank for relief. Relief will only be given where the charges are spread over the whole of the rating area, the county health district or the public assistance district, as the case may be. I trust that this is well understood.

Section 2 prescribes the period for which the Act will be operative. As the Minister for Finance indicated, it is not intended that the new employment allowances should remain permanently at their present value. It is to be hoped that in normal times an efficient Irish agriculturist will be able to pay his employee a decent wage without artificial subventions of this kind.

Therefore Section 2 of the Bill limits the operation of its provisions to this financial year and next, but as the Minister for Finance pointed out, in his Budget statement, the Government will be as interested as the farmers in keeping local rates within reasonable bounds, seeing that it will have to provide by general taxation each year for three-fifths of the rates on the first £20 valuation of agricultural land and one-fifth of the rates on land valuations above £20.

Everything will be pigeon-holed and nothing will be done.

The Deputy's interruption is not understood.

I am not interrupting at all; I am merely making a sotto voce observation to my colleague.

Because of the fact that certain provisions of the present measure may be of temporary effect only and because the administrative machinery for the new proposals is to be found in the existing provisions of the 1939 Act, the present measure, as those who have studied it may have noted, constitutes a graft on the Act of 1939. It is this fact which has determined the manner in which Section 3 has been drafted. The section provides, first, that the additional agricultural grant of £370,000 which was given under the Act of 1939 will continue. This, added to the earlier grants under the Acts of 1898, 1925 and 1931 brought the total grant, as I have already reminded the House, in relief of rates on agricultural land up to £1,870,000. But there is a striking departure from existing practice set out in sub-section (2) of the section. This sub-section provides that the county councils will be entitled to get the difference between the sum allocated to them under Section 4 (3) (a) of the 1939 Act and any deficiency in their revenues which but for the new increase in the grant would arise out of the new reliefs granted by the Bill.

The grant under the Bill therefore will be added to the existing agricultural grant and treated in all respects as the existing agricultural grant, but it will provide the local authority with the full amount required to give the reliefs contemplated in this Bill.

Section 4 provides for the ascertainment of the "specified valuation". In this connection, the Dáil will remember that a new rating system was prescribed in the Local Government Act of this year for land in urban districts.

The provisions of this Bill do not apply to such land and it has accordingly been necessary to redraft the provisions of Section 2 of the 1939 Act, which relate to the ascertainment of "the specified valuation". This has been done in Section 4 of the Bill.

It will be noted from the phraseology of the section that the significant changes consist in the dropping of sub-section (2) of Section 2 of the earlier Act and the substitution of the expression "a rating area" for the word "county" wherever the latter occurs in the remainder of the old section.

The scale of primary allowances is prescribed by Section 5. It is to be equivalent to three-fifths of the general rate. It may happen that an occupier has holdings of land scattered over a county. Under the section these are aggregated and treated as one but as the rate of relief may be different in different parts of the county it is necessary to make provisions contained in sub-sections (3) and (4) of Section 5 in order that county councils may deal with such cases on uniform lines.

That will increase the calculation.

No, I do not think so.

Section 6 deals with the new supplementary allowance. As I have already explained, it differs from the old in being an allowance on the whole of the valuation above £20, whether any part of that valuation is covered by an employment allowance or not, and it will be at the fixed rate of one-fifth of the general rate.

The provisions relating to the employment allowance will be found in Section 7. This section raises the employment allowance to 10/- in the £ on the valuation above £20 and fixes the maximum employment allowance for each man at work, whether relative or employee, at £6 10s. od.

In view of the increase in the allowance, it is necessary to provide that all the employment allowances that an occupier may receive shall not exceed four-fifths of the general rate on the valuation above £20. Otherwise the actual amount of the rates on that part of the valuation might be exceeded by the reliefs.

Sub-section (3) of Section 7 is a new provision. Under the Act of 1939, a county council could not receive claims for employment allowances after the date on which the rate was made. The reason for this was that they had by then distributed all the grant except a small portion which they kept in reserve and would not have a sufficient balance of the grant from which fresh claims, if they were numerous, could be met. Under this Bill the grant will not be fixed. As may be seen from sub-section (2) of Section 3, it will be whatever is necessary to make up the deficiency caused by granting the reliefs.

It has been pointed out to me by Deputy Sheldon that in some counties farmers had not put in claims to employment allowances before the rate was made and were surprised when they found that they had not got the allowances they anticipated.

It is proposed since it can be done conveniently, to allow county councils to accept claims up to the 1st February in the financial year in respect of which the employment allowance is claimed.

Section 8 safeguards any occupiers whose rates on land this year under the Bill might be greater than they would be under the Act of 1939.

Section 9 will allow of the relief of rates being given by way of credit notes this year. Wherever they could not be given by way of abatement of the rate shown on the demand note, it was necessary to issue credit notes, and this validates such issues.

Section 10 suspends the operation of sections of the Act of 1939 which will be temporarily superseded by this Bill. Section 11 of the Act of 1939, which contains provisions in relation to urban districts, has been wholly superseded by the Local Government Act, 1946, but the repeal will not come into operation until next April.

Similarly with regard to Section 12 of the Act of 1939, which is partly repealed by the Act of 1946. I do not think that the remaining sections call for any explanation.

I want to preface my remarks on the Bill by dealing with one particular observation which the Minister made. He said that he hoped to arrive at a time when the efficient agriculturist will pay decent wages without artificial subventions of this kind. I want to tell the Minister that this is not an artificial subvention. This is a relief of something which should never have been there—a tax and a heavy burden on the raw material of the industry. Within the last 12 months we listened to a very long speech from the Minister elaborating on the necessity of expanding production and utilising the British market for our exports. I take it that any form of relief of this sort is to help the agricultural industry.

I want to point out to the Minister that, if he was really sincere in the views which he expressed at that time, he might compare the position of the agriculturist here who pays wages, with the farmers in Great Britain and Northern Ireland who also pay wages, both selling in the same market. The Minister was concerned about the development of that market and recapturing that market. So far as Irish agriculture is concerned, he must realise in connection with these artificial subventions he talked about, that the British and Northern Ireland farmers have no rates on their agricultural land and that, notwithstanding this relief, the Irish agriculturist paying wages still has to meet a considerable rate and that there has been a very substantial increase in rates in recent years. As we are dealing with the main industry of the country and as this provision is made to help and foster the main industry, I want to say to the Minister, arising out of that observation of his, that if we are to have efficient agriculture and expanded production we must rely, not merely on the farmer and financial assistance and help to individual farmers, but on a properly-directed Government policy.

I think it will come as a shock to farmers all over the country this morning to find that one of the results of the recent mission to London of the Minister for Agriculture on his way back from Copenhagen is that Irish turkeys are now to be put into the foreign class on the British market. Heretofore we were always classed as British and sold our turkeys there on the same terms as the English farmer. Now we are to take a reduction of 9d. per lb. for first-class birds. During the emergency, Irish birds were not merely better than foreign and colonial birds, but they were better than Norfolk birds in the British market. The result of the announcement made this morning is that our turkeys are to be put, not into a colonial class, but a foreign class. They are to be put in the same category as Argentine or Hungarian turkeys.

They are "external relations" turkeys.

I am wondering whether there have been recent talks with the United States, whether we are to have trade with the United States and not with Great Britain, whether the Imperial preference which the Minister talked about in the last few months—we are all very interested in the policy he adumbrated for the country then—has now gone completely by the board when we have a very considerable portion of our produce classed as foreign going to the market about which the Minister talks so much. One would expect anyway, after 15 years of Ministerial experience, that the Minister would be a bit realistic about the whole position when he talks about help and assistance from artificial subventions and that he expected he would have more efficient farmers in this country capable of paying decent wages. He cannot overlook, and no one can overlook, the conditions under which the Irish agriculturist has to produce and sell his produce. If an inept Ministry is incapable of providing favourable marketing conditions, then I suppose we will be looking, not merely for assistance of this sort, but for much greater assistance.

However, so far as this whole problem is concerned, I welcome the provision of £1,000,000; but we certainly say that it must be permanent. I cannot see that there is any hope of rates coming down after two years. The Minister must realise that that cannot possibly happen in view of the programme before the country for housing, his grand plans for road construction, and so on. It is grossly unfair to throw back the burden in the form of a tax on the raw material of the primary industry of the country, particularly when that industry has to compete with British and Northern Ireland farmers in the British market. The Minister indicated that the relief provided 15 years ago at the inception of this scheme represented 50 per cent. of the total rates on agricultural land. He also told us that in 1932 the amount of agricultural relief provided was £2,198,000. He did not tell us that at that time the rates levied on agricultural land amounted to £1,260,000, while in 1945-46 they went up to £3,207,000.

They are doubled.

The relief for last year, as the Minister indicated, was £1,870,000. The aggregate assessment made this year is £5,400,000. In 1932 it was £2,403,000. It has gone up by £3,000,000. With the jump of £3,000,000, the Minister is now clapping himself on the back for providing this relief of £1,000,000 for two years only. I submit that that subvention must be permanent and that, not only must it be permanent, but it must be progressive. If we are to look forward to progress in agriculture, you must relieve agriculture of that burden and that tax. If the Irish agriculturist has to sell against British and Northern Ireland farmers, we must march in step as far as the conditions under which he is producing are concerned.

When we turn to the wages paid in this country and the wages paid in Northern Ireland and Great Britain, we find there is a very big disparity, and the Minister must agree that that is not desirable. I have nothing to say by way of criticism so far as the policy of relief is concerned, but I say it is not enough; that it must be greater, and that the policy must be to provide relief in a progressive way, rather than for two years and then step it down again.

I move the adjournment of the debate.

Debate adjourned.
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