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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 3 Jun 1947

Vol. 106 No. 10

Committee on Finance. - Adjournment Debate—County Mayo Land Annuity.

In reply to a question that I put to the Minister for Lands to-day, the Minister gave me the following reply:—

"I would refer the Deputy to the very full reply given to his questions last March about the general position at Kiltarshaun. A rearrangement of land was proposed by the Land Commission for Mrs. Conway and other tenants there. The scheme broke down owing to the refusal of a few tenants to agree, but while the negotiations were proceeding, some cases of unauthorised entry into possession took place. The necessary rental adjustments are being made, and any overpayment received from Mrs. Conway will be duly refunded."

The reason I am raising this matter, which, I must admit, is a purely local one, is because the Minister did not seem to grasp the peculiar happenings in this particular case and did not seem to appreciate the injustice meted out to Mrs. Conway. He said: "The necessary rental adjustments are being made, and any overpayment received from Mrs. Conway will be duly refunded."

On the 13th March last I asked the Minister:

"If he is aware of the very congested conditions of the townland of Kiltarshaun, Moore estate, County Mayo; that 20 families are living there on holdings the poor law valuations of which range from £3 7s. 6d. to £1 10s. 0d.; and if he will take immediate steps to rearrange and finally settle this village by migrating five tenants who are willing to leave and by providing new houses and out-offices, repairing roads and field fences, and carrying out drainage works for the remaining 15 tenants."

What happened there was the Land Commission did make an attempt to rearrange this village. The officials in Castlebar visited this particular townland with a view to finally settling the village. The purpose of this question is to bring to the notice of the Minister one grievance that arose out of that. I understand from the local people that an official of the Minister visited the village with a certain rearrangement proposal. That proposal was accepted by nearly all concerned. That meant that the people there had to surrender their holdings, so to speak, for a short period, into the hands of the Land Commission and thereby allow the Land Commission to make the desired rearrangement. At least everyone in the village with the exception of one or two agreed to the rearrangement.

Some time later it appears some official called to the village and said that the proposed rearrangement could not go through and that everybody would have to go back into the old holdings. Everybody in the village did so with the exception of one particular person. Mrs. Conway was amongst those who agreed to surrender her lands to the Land Commission for rearrangement, but when the word came for everybody to go back to his own holding, a man named Kelly, who had got the best portion of Mrs. Conway's land under the proposed rearrangement, refused to surrender it again. Mrs. Conway's holding is so small apart from the portion to which Kelly held on, that I suppose it would not have a valuation of more than 10/-. It was on the portion which Kelly retained that Mrs. Conway grew potatoes, wheat, oats, turnips and also meadow. The grazing was just rough mountain grazing.

The Minister, in his answer, said that the necessary rental adjustments are being made and that any overpayment received from Mrs. Conway will be duly refunded. Does that mean that the Land Commission are so powerless and so helpless that they have no authority to take this land from Kelly and give it to Mrs. Conway, the previous owner, seeing that they abandoned the whole arrangement and decided to leave these tenants as they were?

I want to know why this particular injustice was perpetrated on Mrs. Norah Conway? I intend to ask the Minister to dispossess Kelly pending final arrangements for dealing with the rundale problem there. I intend also to saddle the Minister with the responsibility for full compensation to Mrs. Conway for the loss of a year's crops. It is absolutely incumbent that the Minister should accept that responsibility. The area of which she was deprived was about seven acres of the best tillage and meadow land worth, at the lowest estimate, about £10 an acre. That is a very meagre estimate having regard to the quality of the land. I hold that not alone should the Minister refund whatever his Department has charged Mrs. Conway in the way of rent for this land but that they should compensate her to the extent of at least £60 or £70 for the loss of her crops for the year.

The raising of this question on the Adjournment does emphasise a position which members of the Clann na Talmhan have been anxious to gloss over —that is the tremendous difficulty that exists in trying to settle this rundale system. With one sweep of his hand, Deputy Blowick would settle the whole problem of congestion in the West and destroy completely the rundale system. There would be a good deal less trouble in settling this particular case if Deputy Blowick would refrain from trying his hand to settle it and if Deputy Blowick would keep out of the district.

That would be a very nice situation undoubtedly, but he will not do it.

He caused the trouble there.

Is it the Minister or Deputy Moran who is dealing with this?

While the Land Commission had great difficulty in making this rearrangement it would, I believe, in spite of the difficulties of the people, have brought about an agreement between them but Deputy Blowick must needs go into the area and propose a settlement of his own which created all the trouble. I thought that Deputy Commons and Deputy Cafferky were really the unwise people in the Clann na Talmhan Party and that when Deputy Cogan was leaving the Party it was probably because of the action taken by these two Deputies, but if ever there was a leader of unwisdom in any Party it is Deputy Blowick.

God bless us.

I find it difficult to understand the mentality of the Mayo people.

You should.

It will be borne on you as time goes on.

Deputy Blowick has that beautiful settled physique and capacity for settling things that he reminds me very much of Jeeves. He tells us here of the sins of the Land Commission. He has emphasised that one must be a member or at least a secretary of a Fianna Fáil club before any benefits can accrue to a Mayoman from the Land Commission. The reason I mention that I find it difficult to understand the mentality of the Mayo people is that I saw in the paper during the week a demand from a Fianna Fáil organisation in County Mayo calling on the Land Commission to refrain from any further division of land in the county. Therefore, not alone is the Land Commission being attacked by the Clann na Talmhan Party in County Mayo but they are being attacked by the Fianna Fáil organisation in County Mayo.

They are afraid you would touch Oranmore and Browne.

There is a condition of acute congestion existing in this area. If these people lived in any other district I would be inclined to repeat Mitchel's quotation from Don Juan del Aquila in regard to them, but I do remember that these people are living under most difficult circumstances. I know the wretched conditions of their lives. I know we must have tremendous patience with them, but the Deputy will remember that out of the 40 tenants in that district 20 have been migrated.

It was not you who migrated them. It was done by the Congested Districts Board.

I did not do it of course. I had nothing at all to do with it, but 20 have been migrated. Surely it will improve the condition of the people in the district, if the Land Commission will be permitted to put its scheme into operation. Not alone did we migrate 20 people from the district, thus making available to the 20 remaining whatever land was left by the migrants but a sum of £917 was made available for fencing, £472 for roads, £258 for drains, £350 extra for fencing and £185 extra for drains, as well as all the money that would be spent in the building of houses in the district. Would not it be wise of the Deputy to refrain from interfering in this particular case and to let the Land Commission try to make a settlement of the great difficulties that exist there?

Would the Minister say when will they make this famous settlement? Are they going to leave it for another 35 years?

Does not the Deputy know the present temper of the people of that district, even though he will not admit that he is in great measure the cause of the difficulty there?

That will not cut any ice down there. You are wasting your wind.

The Deputy has raised this question here needlessly, I think, from the point of view of having the matter attended to but, of course, the Deputy is a very good man to look after his political fences and having made a mess once down in this particular district he would like to convince the people there that he is the man who will fix them up.

Some one would need to do it.

The Minister is concluding.

He is doing everything but answering the question I have put to him.

If I can get the roots of the question, Deputy Blowick's whole trouble seems to be with a case for compensation between a particular tenant or allottee against another. That seems to be the whole basis of his question. All I want the Deputy to understand is that the Land Commission is the only instrument that can be utilised to fix this particular case. The Land Commission, if allowed, will fix this particular case, completely disinterestedly, in complete honesty, but if there is any other interference by Deputies as between the Land Commission on the spot in the particular area and the tenants it is only going to lead to further trouble.

I asked the Minister a question. I asked him what he is going to do about this particular case where a person was dispossessed of land, and who is still being charged a rent by the Land Commission while another party is allowed to take the profit and the crops off it. What are you going to do about the matter? I am only asking a straight question, making full allowance for all the hot air.

The Dáil adjourned at 10.15 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Wednesday, 4th June, 1947.

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