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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 10 Mar 1949

Vol. 114 No. 8

Supplementary and Additional Estimates, 1948-49. - Vote 76—Organisation for European Economic Co-operation.

I move:—

That a sum not exceeding £19,500 be granted to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending 31st March, 1949, for contributions towards the expenses of the Organisation for European Co-operation.

The Organisation for European Economic Co-operation, of which Ireland is a member, was established by the Convention for European Economic Co-operation which was ratified by the Dáil on the 1st July, 1948.

The convention provides for the expenses of the organisation being borne by member nations in accordance with the scale approved by the council of the organisation. In the case of Ireland the rate of contribution approved is .89 per cent. of the annual budget.

The ordinary financial year of the organisation commences on the 1st July and ends on the following 30th June and the Secretary-General is required to present an annual budget to the council for approval. The initial budgetary period, however, covers the period between the 16th April, 1948, when the organisation was first set up, and the 30th June, 1949. An estimate has been prepared for this period and approved by the council at 1,461,730,308 French francs. On the basis of our assessed contribution the amount which we are required to contribute towards this estimate is about £12,280 and provision for this sum is made under sub-head A of the Estimate now before the House.

I should perhaps mention that the sum of 1,461,000,000 odd francs includes the sum of 485,000,000 francs which represents the cost of the acquisition by the organisation of real estate and property which will remain the property of the member nations and can always be realised on their behalf subsequently. The proportion of our contribution in sterling towards this 485,000,000 francs is approximately £4,100.

Under sub-head B the sum of £7,220 is provided as a contribution towards the working capital fund of the organisation. The necessity for this fund arises from the fact that there is a timelag between the assessment of member nations' contributions and the payment of those contributions. This time-lag arises from the necessity for them to be voted by the Parliaments of the member nations. It naturally creates a certain delay and leaves a certain deficit.

The total amount of the working capital fund is assessed at the counter-value, in the currency of the member countries, of a sum of 700,000,000 francs calculated on the basis of the rates of exchange obtaining prior to the recent devaluation of the franc. Here again our contribution is assessed at .89 per cent. of the fund, or 6,230,000 francs, the equivalent of which in sterling at the pre-devaluation rate is £7,216. The slight excess between our actual contribution and the amount provided for in the Estimate is to meet the bank charges on the transfer of funds. All contributions to this fund remain the property of the contributing nations and are refundable on the termination of the organisation or on the earlier withdrawal of a member nation. By arrangement between the organisation and the French Government contributions to this fund will be refundable at the same rate of francs to the contributing currency as the rate at which they were originally paid, that is, in the case of sterling, at the rate which obtained prior to the recent devaluation.

At the urgent request of the organisation we paid part of our contribution towards this fund in December last, the amount involved—£5,753—being advanced from the Contingency Fund. The £7,220 now proposed is made up, therefore, of this £5,753, which will be refunded to the Contingency Fund, and a balance of £1,467 to cover the amount which remains to be contributed by us.

As this is an Estimate for a new service, I do not know whether the Chair intends to apply to the debate the same limitations as would ordinarily operate in the case of a Supplementary Estimate. I am particularly anxious to know if I can raise on this Estimate a report sent by the Minister for External Affairs to this organisation to which we are now proposing to vote money.

That would be policy.

To an extent it would involve policy, I agree, but all we know about this organisation, so far, is the information which was given to the House by the Minister when the resolution for approval of the agreement was submitted here, the statement he has now made and the report which he sent there. It is difficult to discuss anything in the Estimate if one cannot refer to the one administrative act that did arise, so far as we know, between the passing of the resolution and the submission of the Estimate.

The practice, of course, has been that a Minister's action, in respect of policy, can be discussed on the Estimate on which his salary appears.

I understand that, but the Chair appreciates that this is a new Estimate. It is not a Supplementary Estimate in respect of which the Dáil has already had an opportunity of discussing the general service on the main Estimate for the year. It is a service for which an Estimate has not already been submitted to the House.

The Deputy will appreciate that the matter which he wishes to discuss will normally arise on a main Estimate on which the Minister's salary will appear.

I thought you would so rule. I am looking forward to that discussion.

The Minister is responsible to this House, and any matter in respect of his action arises on the Estimate on which his salary appears.

I bow to your ruling.

May I take it that the same ruling would apply to the desire of a Deputy to refer to a matter which was the subject of a question to-day?

If you get away with that, I will.

As regards the Estimate before us, I take it then that the only subjects open for discussion are the two purposes set out under sub-heads A and B—that is, the amount of the contribution towards the expenses of the organisation and the contribution to the working capital fund of the organisation. As Deputy Lemass has said, I do not think it is possible to discuss these in any great detail. I think that it would probably be in order for a Deputy to say that the general feeling in the House and in the country is that the Minister and the Government have properly represented the views of the people by participating in this conference, and in making these contributions towards the membership it would be a matter of very great regret generally in the country if anything were done to sabotage that work.

You got the word in, anyway.

Vote agreed to.
Supplementary and Additional Estimates reported and agreed to.
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