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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 19 Jul 1949

Vol. 117 No. 9

Committee on Finance. - Rent Restrictions (Amendment) Bill, 1949—Second and subsequent Stages.

The object of this Bill is to amend the provisions of Sections 11 and 17 of the Rent Restrictions Act, 1946, in relation to the special lawful additions to the basic rent in respect of what I may describe as exceptional repairs executed by the landlord. The provisions in question have given rise to unforeseen difficulties in practice which have made amending legislation imperative and a matter of urgency. It is only right that I should, at the outset of my remarks, express my gratitude to Senator Miss Pearse for drawing my attention to the matter in the first instance and so enabling the situation that had arisen to be brought under review.

Paragraph (g) of Section 11 (2) and paragraph (e) of Section 17 (2) of the Act of 1946, which the Bill proposes to amend, are identical. They provide that if a landlord, in any of the five pairs of years in the period 1945 to 1950 inclusive, expends an amount in excess of two-thirds of the basic rent on putting the premises into a reasonable state of repair, he shall be entitled to increase the lawful rent by a sum equal to 15 per cent. per annum of the amount by which his expenditure exceeds two-thirds of the basic rent. I think it is clear that the Legislature, when enacting these provisions in 1946, had in mind the difficult situation in which the landlords of controlled property were placed. On the one hand they were compelled by the law to accept restricted rents— severely restricted, one might say, particularly in the case of premises that were still controlled on the 1914 basis—while, on the other hand, the Rent Restrictions Code had, from the beginning, made the position of landlords more difficult, so far as liability for repairs was concerned, by placing special remedies at the disposal of tenants and, moreover, there were the powers of local authorities under the Public Health and Housing Acts to compel the carrying out of repairs by landlords. Landlords were able to complain with some force that controlled rents were inadequate to permit of the discharge even in a limited degree of their liabilites in respect of repairs, especially in view of the greatly increased cost of repairs. One solution would have been to have allowed rents to be increased to such an extent as might have been considered necessary to compensate landlords for the increased cost of repairs. But, this would have resulted in automatic and, perhaps, substantial increases of rents for all tenants—a situation which, I am bound to say, could scarcely have been viewed with equanimity.

Confronted with the dilemma which I have endeavoured briefly to outline, the Legislature in 1946 decided that an increase of rent should be allowed in respect of repairs, only when the repairs had actually been executed by the landlord to an extent which involved outlay in a particular period in excess of a specified proportion of the basic rent. Such a provision seemed to have the advantages that tenants could not be asked to pay increased rents until the repairs had been done and that landlords would be encouraged, or could be compelled, to carry out necessary repairs and be assured of an increase in rent to recoup them their expenditure. It is true, perhaps, that the provision was, in principle, open to the objection that it placed a premium upon neglect of repairs but to labour this objection too much would be to ignore the realities of the situation in which landlords had been placed for many years during which rents had continued to be severely restricted while repair costs had continued to mount. At all events, it seemed to accord with the requirements of a sound public policy, apart from any question of endeavouring to do justice to landlords, to have the state of the law such that there would be an incentive to landlords to carry out necessary repairs even though this might involve some increase of rents for tenants.

The provisions in this respect that were incorporated in the 1946 Act were not novel. Provisions on identical lines had been included in the Rent Acts of 1923 and 1926 covering repair work carried out in any pair of years in the period 1923 to 1928. One can only speculate at this stage as to the reasons why, in respect of this particular kind of repair expenditure, the percentage was fixed at the seemingly high figure of 15, while the allowance in respect of other kinds of expenditure by the landlord, for example, expenditure on improvements or structural alterations, was restricted to 8 per cent. in both the 1923 and 1946 Acts. One reason that suggests itself is that the 15 per cent. allowance was reckonable only on the excess of the landlord's expenditure over two-thirds of the basic rent so that the net return on his gross expenditure would, in fact, be less than 15 per cent. This, in turn, suggests that what was contemplated was expenditure on repairs which, while not trifling, was not, on the other hand, of such an amount that two-thirds of the basic rent would be so insignificant a proportion of it that, in practice, the landlord would receive a return of virtually 15 per cent. on his total expenditure. Such a result could scarcely have been envisaged as there appears to be no good reason why a net return of nearly 15 per cent. should have been allowed in respect of expenditure on repairs while the allowance in respect of expenditure on improvements or structural alterations was limited to 8 per cent.

Whatever may have been the reasons underlying the provisions in question. Deputies will, I think, now be satisfied that they have produced results in practice which were certainly not foreseen. Two factors appear to have been overlooked, namely, (a) the possibility that repairs amounting almost to total reconstruction might be necessary involving correspondingly heavy expenditure, and (b) the greatly increased cost of repairs. The second of these is, of course, in a sense, merely an aggravation of the first. As Deputies will readily realise, when a sum running into several hundreds of pounds or, perhaps, a thousand pounds or more is spent by the landlord on repairs and the landlord is allowed to increase the rent by 15 per cent. per annum of the amount by which that expenditure exceeds two-thirds of the basic rent (which would be a relatively insignificant figure), the result is a wholly disproportionate increase in the rent of the premises. Cases have actually occurred in which the result of the operation of the provisions which the Bill proposes to amend has been to double, treble and even quadruple the existing rents. Clearly, if this situation were allowed to continue, it could only result for many tenants in the complete deprivation of the protection which the Rent Restrictions Code was intended to provide for them as there might be such a disproportionate increase of rents as to leave the tenants with no alternative but to give up possession. In these circumstances, I felt that the matter was one which called for the immediate attention of the Legislature and the Government's proposals for dealing with the situation are embodied in the Bill now before the House.

In considering the proposals in the Bill I want Deputies to bear in mind two things. Firstly, the proposals are of an ad hoc character framed to deal with the de facto situation that now confronts us in a number of actual cases and, secondly, these proposals fall to be considered in the light of the fact that the Act of 1946 is itself due to expire at the end of next year so that there will be a further opportunity of reviewing the whole position in the near future. The Bill proposes that, as on and from its enactment, the allowance to the landlord in respect of expenditure on repairs should be modified to a sum calculated in accordance with the scale set out in the Schedule, that is, at the rate of 15 per cent. per annum on the first £100 of the excess of the landlord's expenditure over two-thirds of the basic rent, 8 per cent on the second £100 and 6 per cent. on any amount over £200. It is true that, even on this modified scale, comparatively substantial increases of rent will still be possible. But we have to face the fact that landlords, apart from their liability in the matter of repairs under contract or at common law or under the Rent Restrictions Act, are often compelled by the local authority to carry out substantial repairs and that it would be wholly unreasonable, having regard to the severely restricted rents permitted under the Act, to expect landlords to carry out such repairs without giving them some increase of rent.

As regards those cases in which rents have already been increased under Sections 11 (2) (g) or 17 (2) (e) of the 1946 Act, the rents will be automatically adjusted as from the passing of this Bill on the basis of the new scale and Section 3 of the Bill contains provision which will enable any tenant who, through being unaware of the passage of this amending legislation, goes on paying the increased rent to recover the difference between that rent and the adjusted rent in respect of any period after the enactment of the Bill. In addition to any other method of recovery, the tenant will be able to recover any such sum by withholding the rent until he has recouped himself the amount.

I do not wish to pretend that the proposals in the Bill provide the ideal solution but I feel that I can recommend them to the House as providing the best practicable solution in the circumstances confronting us. Deputies will appreciate that, as I have already mentioned, we are legislating to deal with a de facto situation in which a number of landlords have exercised their legitimate rights under the Act of 1946 and this is something which we cannot entirely ignore. It may well be that, when the whole question comes to be dealt with again, a more radical solution may have to be attempted for the problem presented by the conflicting needs of a reasonable standard of repair on the one hand and of a rent within the means of the tenant on the other hand. I am bound to say that at this stage it is not easy to see what the solution for this problem may be and we can only hope that it will not prove wholly intractable.

Major de Valera

I must confess that, when I was informed that the Minister contemplated bringing in a special Bill to deal with this problem, I did not quite see the manner in which he would tackle it. I think that, everything considered, seeing that he is confining himself merely to closing this particular loophole, the method which he adopted is probably the best that could be conveniently evolved. However, in that connection, I should like to say some things about these sub-sections and I take paragraph (g) of sub-section (2) of Section 11 as an example. If one parses that sub-section, one finds certain difficulty, which, I think, the courts have already experienced, in dealing with the section. The precise meaning of the phrase "comprising the two years"—it goes on to specify the years—has, in itself, given rise to difficulty, and, in particular, the phrase "in excess of two-thirds of the basic rent of the premises" has given rise to difficulty.

The difficulty in regard to "comprising" is a matter of the precise definition of the period of years, but the difficulty in regard to two-thirds of the basic rent is that basic rent in the Act, as the Minister will appreciate, is defined in the definition section with reference to Section 9, in the case of 1923 Act controlled premises and Sections 14, 15 and 16 of non-1923 Act controlled premises. If one then goes to these sections with references to which basic rent is defined, one will see that the period to which basic rent relates is not defined in the Act. The reason is obvious, that, in practical cases, one might have to deal with a weekly, monthly or yearly tenancy. The Act does not explicitly within these sections relate the basic rent to a particular period of time. That fact causes certain difficulty in interpreting these paragraphs which are in question in this Bill, and I understand, though I have no personal knowledge of the matter, nor do I know of any reported case on the subject at the moment—on the other hand, I have heard it mentioned in professional circles that the question has arisen—that "two-thirds of the basic rent" has been related to the basic rent over a period of two years rather than one year. Obviously this was an attempt by the courts on their own to ameliorate the situation which the Minister designs to amend here to-day, since such an interpretation would, in effect, substitute fourthirds of the basic rent when the basic rent is related to one year and to that extent would operate in some degree in the direction in which the Minister is moving.

I merely mention the matter now for the purpose of ensuring that we advert to the fact that, if the decision to which I have referred—a decision which, I think, is a Circuit Court decision and which has not been universally adopted, even in the Circuit Court—should rule, we must regard this amendment as applying to that particular interpretation of that paragraph of Section 11 (2) and, correspondingly, I presume, to a similar interpretation of Section 17. I do not think that, in the cases the Minister is contemplating, it is going to make very much difference when we regard this Bill merely as an interim measure for a year. The only point I make therefore is that it might operate completely, or virtually completely, to deprive a landlord, in the case of very small repairs, but, as against that, it is to be noted that the Minister has preserved the 15 per cent. for the first £100, so that the question is not serious with relation to this Bill. The serious matter, however, is that when the Minister is considering the Rent Restrictions Act as a whole, and, in particular, reconsidering these provisions, a radical redrafting of this sub-section or paragraph in the light of experience is indicated. The Minister will be in a better position than anybody else to get information from rent tribunals in regard to this matter and I would suggest to him that he should secure that information.

I have heard it mentioned no later than to-day, by a person who knew what he was talking about in regard to this matter, that there were 17 possible amendments in this paragraph. I must confess that, on a cursory examination here, I have not been able to find the 17 possible amendments which he was talking about but, as I say, he pointed out that here were 17 possible questions arising out of this paragraph. That figure may be an exaggeration but certainly there are some—as I, on looking at it casually now, can see.

Accordingly, the intention is to give the Minister this Bill and it is understood that amendments now would hardly be in order nor would they, perhaps, be desirable. I mention them now for future reference. In regard to the Bill, I think that we must pass it as a matter of urgency in view of the circumstances that have arisen.

I am glad that the Minister introduced this Bill. It will help to do a considerable lot of good for a small number of people—at least, a small number of people as far as I am aware of. This particular part of the 1946 Act that the Minister is amending now has caused substantial hardship. I, personally, was aware of one case where the matter was referred to the court and, under the section, the rent was increased 300 per cent. That was a shocking increase. It certainly comes as a very welcome surprise to me that the Minister has introduced this Bill to put this matter in order. It may operate against a few landlords but that cannot be helped. The provisions that are now being amended operated very severely against the tenants. Some of these landlords insisted on their pound of flesh and, while they had the provisions of the Act there to support them, no reason, no common sense—nothing—prevailed with them. However, the wheel is turning now and the effect of that turn will be undoubtedly welcomed by quite a number of tenants. I would suggest to the Minister, although it is somewhat outside the scope of the present discussion, that when he comes to the consideration of the Act as a whole he ought to endeavour to simplify the whole procedure, which has become so complicated and involved that nobody understands it. The courts have difficulty in interpreting it. Lawyers, even those who are very familiar with Rent Act cases, have tremendous difficulty in finding their way through the Acts. I would ask the Minister to endeavour to find some simple way by which rents can be fixed, probably by the District Court, without any of this reference back—certainly not to 1914. The Minister's prompt action in regard to this matter will be welcomed and I am quite sure that if he is able to simplify the very involved condition in which the Rent Acts are now in he will earn the gratitude of all the people who have to do with the interpretation of those Acts.

It is only a matter of weeks since I put down a question in this House asking the Minister if his attention had been drawn to certain proceedings in our courts bringing about a very serious position for a great number of our tenants of houses and also the danger of a position being reached whereby we might have a very serious situation. I want publicly to pay tribute to the Minister in complimenting him on his very prompt action in coming to the aid of those who have been affected and of a great many more who have been threatened. I welcome this amending Bill. The Minister in his statement in reference to this matter has put out of my mind the discussion of certain matters here now because he has indicated quite clearly that within a very short period of time, when the Act we have expires, a comprehensive study will be made with a view to trying to adjust not only this position but others.

A lot has been said on behalf of the decent landlord who is entitled to certain rights and to a certain profit on his property, and a certain very limited reference has been made to the type of landlord who seeks always to abuse—if he can get things to which he is not entitled by resorting to abusive methods—and to affect tenants very harshly. What I have to thank the Minister for in this particular instance is that the cases which came to my knowledge were cases where landlords, in order to get possession of premises, thought out a scheme whereby they did not in any particular year or couple of years carry out what would be called necessary or essential repairs. They allowed buildings to get into such a state that the authorities had to be called in in order to force the landlords to comply with their responsibilities. Then, much more than necessary repairs were indulged in, with the result that if this position had been allowed to continue very many of our people would not have been able to afford to pay the rents which would be clapped on their backs. Deputy Cowan referred to one particular and notorious case where the rent was increased to something like four times the size of the previous payment.

I am sorry that the position in this State is that we cannot make this amending legislation retrospective because those who have been affected will now have to pay very substantial increases, even with the limitations which are now imposed upon the collecting of the charges by these new reduced percentages on the charges of £100 and £200. I am sorry that cannot be cured but I agree that the principle of avoiding retrospective legislation is, in fact, a good one.

I wonder if the Minister is quite satisfied that the public are sufficiently aware of the rights they have under Section 20 (5) of the 1946 Act. Under that sub-section the tenant has a right to be consulted in the first place with regard to repairs and if he is not consulted and if repairs are done which he may think are in fact above what the court would decide as necessary or what I would call "essential repairs" he has a right to go to court and appeal to have the matter investigated with a view to the actual charge being fixed by the court. I want to be frank. I have to thank the Minister for having drawn my attention to this particular sub-section of the Act because I myself was unaware of it until the Minister drew my attention to it and I am grateful to him for having done so. I should like him to refer to it because otherwise it may not get the publicity it deserves.

There is one thing which I should like the Minister to refer to, if he cares to say what he thinks is the meaning of it, and that is the question whether he is satisfied that under Section 20 (5), where what might be regarded as a necessary expenditure on the part of the landlord takes place, there is a sufficient safeguard for the tenant—that a bad landlord will not, in fact, if he does the repairs himself or has some small contractor doing them for him, be able to charge more than what should be the normal value of the repairs done.

I am glad that it has been decided to give the Minister all the Stages of this Bill to-night, as the matter is a very serious one. I am glad that those who have had imposed upon them very extravagant increases in rent will now have an opportunity of having them reconsidered with a view to the reductions which this Bill will bring about.

There is a type of small house where the rent is very low as compared with modern rents, and in many cases these are very old, almost cottage type, houses. It appears to me that it would be very easy, in some of these cases, to spend £100 or £200 on these houses and thereby bring about a very substantial increase in the rent. I am wondering whether the local authority could not be brought in in some way, in the Minister's comprehensive Bill which he is to introduce, as a safeguard for these people. Numbers of tenants may be paying 7/-, 8/-, or even up to 12/6, a week for a particular type of small old-time house. A quick calculation will show that, even under this Bill, if there is something slightly over £200 spent, it would mean an extra £23 a year chargeable to these houses, which would mean a net increase of something like 9/- a week.

I am not approaching this in any carping manner. I want to say, without any reservation at all, that the Minister deserves to be particularly congratulated, first of all on the manner in which he has attempted to give some serious protection to the tenants generally, and secondly for the quick manner in which he has had this matter examined and the speed with which it is before us here. I also want to thank him publicly for the advice and information he and his Department have given me throughout the short period in which this matter was being discussed and considered.

I would like to join in the tributes paid to the Minister for the expeditious manner in which he has met us in a very grave situation. In view of the fact that the 1946 Act in itself contains a provision that it was to be reviewed not later than next year, any Minister might have let the matter ride until then. Nevertheless, the Minister foresaw what was a very serious situation for certain tenants and it has been met to a certain degree by this particular amendment.

I would like to reiterate, however, what my colleague, Deputy Briscoe, has said in regard to houses with low rents. Under the terms of this amending Bill, even as it stands, these rents can still mount to completely disproportionate figures, compared with the original rent. It occurred to me that the Minister might have gone a little further and put an over-all maximum on the amount of the permitted increases in relation to the amount expended on repairs, so that it would bear some relation to the market value of the house. Many of the houses to which Deputy Briscoe referred have rents ranging from 2/6 to 10/- a week and they can be bought at present without vacant possession at as low as £100 and with vacant possession up to £300. Even under the terms of the amending Bill, the rent chargeable on these houses can be doubled and quadrupled.

Even if the Minister could not see his way to touch that particular aspect of the question now, I would ask him to have it very much present to his mind when he is considering the whole situation next year and try to introduce some prohibition, some overriding maximum of permitted increases, so as to bear a fairer relation to the market value of these small houses. That would give those who are tenants at present and their successors in such houses reasonable security. If the rent is disproportionately increased now, it will mean almost an eviction order on these particular tenants, who could not afford to pay much more—certainly not three times more—than they are asked to pay at present.

I am glad that the Bill has been received in this particular way and the best thing I can do is to take the last argument first. The 1946 Act does arrange for an overriding maximum—Section 20 (5) governs that —but the tenants up to the present where this has arisen have not made use of it. I want to stress that point. Where these excessive improvements are carried out, if the tenants had availed of that section, this could not have occurred. Even availing of it, as the law stood, there could be a very substantial increase of 15 per cent. on the capital expenditure. The operative words in sub-section (5) are:—

"the court may, on the application of the tenant, if satisfied that the expenditure (in so far as it is applicable to any of the said matters) in respect of which the notice was served, was not incurred or was unnecessary in whole or in part, disallow or reduce the increase accordingly, as from such date (whether before the date of the application or otherwise) as the Court thinks fit."

That gives very wide power to the court.

Before the Minister passes from that, I would like to ask one question. Cases may be presented to the court where, having regard to the condition of the house, certain repairs would be considered necessary, through no fault of the tenant or the landlord. It is these particular cases I was directing attention to.

Major de Valera

Where a landlord by default lets the house go out of repair, the repairs are necessary by that time. The court, on application under this sub-section (5), finds itself confronted with the position that the repairs are necessary. Whatever about the method by which they become necessary, the court cannot find that they are unnecessary and so ground jurisdiction for the variation that this paragraph gives. I think that is the essential difficulty.

But it says "reasonably necessary". Evidence can be adduced against the landlord, that he failed to carry out work for a certain length of time and the court can take that into consideration.

Major de Valera

That may be the interpretation of the Minister, but would not be the interpretation of the court.

The Meredith Report set out fairly accurately what was intended. I am not going into the merits of the case now. My advisers assert that there is protection there, if made use of. This new amendment to this particular section is protecting the tenant in a temporary way, at any rate, until we have examined the whole code.

As has been pointed out, the Act expires in 1950 and it will not be a matter for the Minister and his Department alone to consider. I invite Deputies on all sides of the House to assist us in that particular matter and try to get some measure which will be fair to all concerned. It is not going to be easy. I can see very great difficulties and I am sure everyone else can. If, however, the matter is approached in the proper manner, I think we can and will get an equitable method of dealing with the problem. I do not think there is anything further I can usefully say except that the matter must be reviewed next year. I think we shall have to set up some sort of commission—something on the lines of the Meredith Commission—so that evidence can be taken.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take the remaining stages now.
Section 1 put and agreed to.
SECTION 2.
Question proposed: "That Section 2 stand part of the Bill."

Major de Valera

I suppose the Minister would not consider any method of capturing the cases referred to. It is rather different from the principle of retrospective legislation.

I would not have got as far as I have got if I tried to do that. The principle of retrospective legislation is not a good one.

Will the Minister give some thought to the possibility, when the main Bill is introduced, of referring it to a Special Committee so that evidence could be heard?

I certainly will. Amongst other things in connection with that new legislation, probably some sort of fair rent tribunal will have to be set up and the cases which are escaping under this may be dealt with. I do not want to anticipate that legislation, but there is a chance they may be caught by that and I would advise the people concerned to be discreet in the management of the matter.

Question put and agreed to.
Remaining sections, Schedule and Title agreed to.
Bill reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
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