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Dáil Éireann debate -
Friday, 7 Jul 1950

Vol. 122 No. 6

Limerick City Management Bill, 1950—Second and Subsequent Stages.

I move that the Limerick City Management Bill, 1950, be read a Second Time. In March last the Oireachtas confirmed a provisional Order to extend the area of Limerick City by the addition of approximately 3,000 acres. The existing population of 42,987 is increased by approximately 4,700. The corresponding population and members of the other county boroughs are as follows—in Cork City the population is 75,361 and the city council has 21 members. Dublin City population is 506,635 and there are 45 members of the city council. Waterford City population is 28,332 and there are 15 members of the city council.

By reason of the extension of Limerick City the city council have requested that the existing city council of 15 members should be increased to 17 members, and the request was unanimous. The number of members of a county borough council is not necessarily in exact ratio to population in comparison with other county boroughs and it does not necessarily follow that an increase in the area necessarily involves an increase in membership. Each case must necessarily be considered on its merits regard being had to the views of the local authority. As regards the local government electorate in Limerick City, the old city on the present register contains 24,954 local government electors and in the added area there are 3,501 local government electors so that the increase of two members sought by the city council is exactly proportionate to the increased electorate. I consider that the request of the city council is quite reasonable and justified, and I commend the proposal to the House.

There is one point I want clarified. The Minister says that the membership of the city council will be increased under this Bill by two members. I want to know how that increase comes about. From what area will that representation be drawn? Is it the electoral area known as Limerick South Rural and Limerick North Rural? Is it intended to have further legislation dealing with the representation of Limerick County Council? Will the electorate in these areas be entitled to vote for representation on Limerick Corporation and also on Limerick County Council? The position appears to me to be involved. This Bill gives two additional members to Limerick Corporation. What is the position, then, as regards representation on the county council? Will there be any subsequent legislation to deal with that matter?

There is no proposal to alter the representation of Limerick County Council. The electorate in the new added area will be voting in future for the corporation. Limerick City will be one electoral unit, including the added area.

The added area of Limerick North and South Rural?

As far as the boundary has gone, that electoral division will vote for 17 members as one unit. The county council is not altered in any way and will not be altered, except for the fact that some territory had been taken away from them.

Are there not 3,501 local government electors less in those areas contiguous to the city as a result of this measure? Will these people be entitled to vote for the county council as well as for the corporation?

No. Anybody who is inside the new boundary will vote in the city.

Only in the city. They will have no vote in the county.

The representation, then, on the county council for the Castleconnell and Bruff electoral areas will remain the same?

I do not know if I have made myself quite clear. The city boundary has been extended westward, to a certain extent to the south-east, very little on the north-east and very little on the north-west. The new definition of the city will bring in so many new electors. They will vote in the City of Limerick and only in the city. They will have no vote in the county.

Even though they are on the register for the county council in the coming year. If there was an election this year, would they not be on the register?

I think that is a problem that requires some clarification.

If I might be permitted to intervene in a matter that does not really concern me: I remember a Confirmation Bill which was passed last February. By that Confirmation Bill the boundaries of Limerick City were extended. Now this Bill does not affect the boundaries at all. All this Bill says is that, because the boundaries of the city have been extended, instead of their being 15 members on the corporation, there will in future be 17 members. This Bill does not change the area of Limerick Corporation as it was dealt with in that Bill which came before the House earlier this year.

The new register will be mainly based on the old register.

Is not the register made up the previous September?

But that register is incorporated in the city register now. The register of the added area is incorporated in the city register.

That means then that there are 3,501 taken off the county electorate for local authority purposes?

Does that make any change whatever in the strength of the representation of Castleconnell and Bruff areas?

No. It makes no alteration at all in the county.

In fact you are gaining two.

Question put and agreed to.
Bill passed through Committee, reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
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