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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 28 May 1952

Vol. 132 No. 2

Imposition of Duties (Confirmation of Orders) Bill, 1952—Second Stage.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. Deputies, I think, are aware that Orders made by the Government under the Emergency (Imposition of Duties) Act, 1932, have to be confirmed by the Dáil within eight months or else they cease to be operative. This Bill is designed to secure the confirmation of a number of Orders made during the present year imposing, reimposing or altering certain protective duties, and the earliest of them has to be confirmed by legislation before the 24th June. The commodities affected by these Orders are: cotton quilts and blankets; cast-iron baths; metal pot scourers; component parts of bicycles; personal clothing and wearing apparel; plastic toilet seats and covers; cotton thread and ply yarn; ungalvanised rainwater goods; hard surface floor coverings; dressed sheep skins; agricultural forks and wooden handles. Of these duties, those imposed on cast-iron baths, metal pot scourers, plastic toilet seats and covers and dressed sheep skins are new protective duties. The other Orders either effect some change in existing duties or reimpose duties that have been temporarily suspended. In the case, for example, of cotton quilts and cotton blankets, the Order merely effects an administrative change by transferring these articles from the category of woven articles for domestic use to the category of bedding without altering the rate of duty. It achieved an administrative conveyance in the administration of the duty.

The Order dealing with certain component parts of bicycles removed from the scope of the tariff certain components that are not likely to be manufactured here at an early date.

In the case of cotton thread, ply yarn and agricultural forks, the existing duty had been suspended during the war. The present Orders affecting these goods restored the duties at reduced rates.

The Order relating to agricultural forks also deals with wooden handles. The position was that different types of wooden handles were subject to duty at different rates, and there was considerable difficulty in enforcement. It led sometimes to the evasion of the full duty. Now, one uniform rate of duty has been made effective on all types of wooden handles.

The Order dealing with personal clothing and wearing apparel restored to the clothing industry the same degree of protection as was granted to the industry before the war.

Iron and steel rainwater goods are subject to duty if protected by galvanising. The practice was developed of protecting them by painting instead of galvanising. Articles so protected were held by the Revenue Commissioners to be exempt from the duty, and the definition has been altered now so as to prevent the evasion of duty by that device.

The only other Order to which reference must be made is that relating to the duty upon hard-surface floor coverings, that is to say, oilcloths. They were subject to a standard rate of duty of 6d. per square yard, which was imposed prior to the war. The duty became less effective with the alteration in values since the war and has been raised to a flat rate of 1/- per square yard.

The Minister mentioned, for instance, one item—cotton thread. While naturally we agreed with the imposition of tariffs to protect the home industry, can we take it from the Minister that the imposition will not mean, in this particular instance, a sudden increase in price?

Cotton thread prices are fixed by Government Order.

I mentioned only one item. I should like to know in case there may be a tendency to have a sudden increase in the price of the home item owing to the import duty.

In the case of some of these goods, it may be that the exclusion of imports may have an effect on prices, in the sense that imports were coming in here at prices which were regarded as uncompetitive. In the case of cotton thread, that is distinguishable from the others in the sense that, at present and for a long time past, maximum prices are fixed for cotton thread. They are still in operation and will be maintained so long as required in order to ensure that supplies are available to everybody at controlled prices.

Could the Minister, on the Committee Stage, give us some figures to show what will be the increase in the articles concerned?

The increase in prices?

The increase in prices in actual cash.

That is not an easy thing to do. In the case of most of these articles manufactured here, no increase in price will follow. In the case of some, a decrease in price may follow, in the sense that a higher output may result in lower costs. That is undoubtedly true in the case of wearing apparel. At the present time because of trade depression in Great Britain, and also because of a certain accumulation of stock there which was manufactured for the Australian market but which has now been excluded there, there would be a possibility of obtaining occasional lots at a lower cost than the same type of goods could be manufactured here. By excluding these goods, we are depriving ourselves of a temporary advantage of obtaining occasional lots of low priced goods. By so doing we, of course, keep our own industries functioning and, in the long run, we think this is the wiser course for the country.

In certain industries we agree that where the market is small, as it is here, overhead costs would be spread over a smaller number of articles and that the price will be higher than if there is a bigger market. I want to get the exact figures. We agree with the general principle that it is better to employ our people here, thereby creating a small increase. The House, I suggest, is entitled to know how much that increase is.

That information could not be got in each case, if I understand the Deputy rightly. Where the Government agrees to impose or reimpose a tariff it satisfies itself that the price of the home product will either not be increased or will be kept at what appears to be a reasonable level. It would not be possible to attempt to estimate to what extent the imposition of tariffs on imported goods has prevented these goods coming in cheaper than they would be manufactured here. Our position here is that we are a small market. A large-scale manufacturer in another country can export occasional consignments here at prices lower than he could sell them in the country of origin. It is just not practicable to attempt to establish any basis of comparison between costs of production here and the price at which this country could occasionally import goods.

I am quite sure that the Minister, before he made these Orders, had before him information which gave him a rough idea of what the effect was going to be on the cost.

As to the prices of most of these. These Orders were made subject to the condition that there would be no increase.

I will press for information on a different item on the Committee Stage.

I do not want to promise that. Some of these Orders have been in existence for eight months, and there have been fluctuations in the cost of materials.

All I wanted to do was to give the Minister a warning that I would look for information on the Committee Stage.

Even if we were to pay a little more for the goods, is it not better that these industries should be kept going here, thus providing employment for our people? It is rather a pity the Deputies opposite did not follow out that practice in the case of wool and cotton goods. If they had done so, we would have less unemployment this year.

You lost the best market.

I want to discuss these matters in a sensible manner. Imports at the present time have the advantage of being placed on the market at low prices. It is natural for us to assume that the Irish manufactured articles are not on the market at present at as low a price as some of the imported ones owing to the advantages these latter enjoy. If the price of the Irish article at the present time is based on cost of production, plus a certain profit, will the Minister say if there will be a danger of an added profit being put on such articles as a result of protection?

In the case of some of these goods like clothing, competition will take care of that situation. There is a large number of factories, most of which are not producing to capacity at the moment and which are cutting their prices in an endeavour to get sales. In the case of other goods mentioned, there might be only one producer and, in such a case, the Department will take measures to ensure that an arrangement is entered into by the firm concerned as to the prices at which its products will be sold.

Question put and agreed to.
Committee Stage ordered for Thursday, 29th May.
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