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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 16 Jun 1954

Vol. 146 No. 1

Committee on Finance. - Vote 54—Posts and Telegraphs.

I move:—

That a sum not exceeding £4,740,000 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1955, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Office of the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs (45 and 46 Vict., c. 74; 8 Edw. 7, c. 48; 1 and 2 Geo. 5, c. 26; the Telegraph Acts, 1863 to 1953; No. 45 of 1926; No. 14 of 1940 (secs. 30 and 31); No. 14 of 1942 (sec. 23); No. 17 of 1951; etc.), and of certain other Services administered by that Office.

In view of the very short time since I assumed office Deputies will, I know, not expect me to be adequately informed of the activities of the Department or to have examined its policies in any detail. In presenting this Estimate, therefore, all I propose to do is to indicate how it compares with the Estimate for 1953/54, to give briefly an explanation of the variation in the amounts provided under the more important sub-heads, and then to give some account of the working of the various services during the past year and to indicate some of the Department's proposed activities for the coming year.

The net Estimate for 1954/55 amounts to £7,340,000, being a gross total of £7,811,348 less Appropriations-in-Aid of £471,348. The net provision represents a decrease of £34,891 on that for 1953/54.

It will be observed that the 1953/54 provision included a sum of £371,560 which was actually provided for in the Vote for Increases in Remuneration and thus nominally transferred. This amount should be divided up and added under the appropriate sub-heads in order to give the figures for 1953/54 which are properly comparable with the sub-head provisions for 1954/ 55. The sub-heads affected and the proportions proper to be added in each case are:—

£

A

1

28,230

A

2

84,510

A

3

201,130

A

4

9,700

I

1

47,280

Q

1

710

Taking account of these amounts the comparisons between 1953/54 and 1954/55 should be adjusted as follows:—

1953/54

1954/55

Increase

£

£

£

A

1

458,061

473,600

15,539

A

2

1,132,510

1,152,000

19,490

A

3

2,646,130

2,696,000

49,870

A

4

153,000

157,000

4,000

I

1

626,280

649,000

22,720

Q

1

13,110

15,300

2,190

The more substantial variations— those of £10,000 or more—occur on the following sub-heads:—

Sub-heads A (1), A (2), A (3) and A (4)—Salaries, Wages and Allowances:—The increase of £88,899 under these four sub-heads is mainly attributable to the fact that the amount provided in 1953/54 to meet the Civil Service pay award was less than required, to normal increments, to creation of posts, offset by savings on retirements and on suppressed posts.

Sub-head E (1)—Conveyance of Mails by Rail:—The increase of £43,000 is due to the increased cost of conveyance of letter mails and provision for increased payment for the carriage of parcel mails, the latter mainly due to anticipated additional traffic following upon the extension from 11 to 15 lbs., as from the 12th April last, of the maximum weight limit for parcels.

Sub-head E (5)—Conveyance of Mails by Air:—The decrease of £13,000 is due to a reduction in rates for transatlantic air transport and the higher provision which was required in 1953/54 for clearance of United States Post Office accounts in arrear, offset by increased conveyance rates on British Commonwealth air services.

Sub-head G (1)—Stores (other than engineering):— The decrease of £13,400 is due to a reduction in the number of vans due for replacement, offset by increased provision for mail bags.

Sub-head G (3) — Manufacture of Stamps:—The increase of £15,000 is for additional supplies of watermarked paper for postage stamps and for normal requirements of such paper for postal orders, old age pension and children's allowance books, which last year were met from reserve stocks, and for increased purchases of stamped stationery.

Sub-head I (1)—Salaries, Wages and Allowances (Engineering):— The increase of £22,720 is mainly attributable to the fact that the provision for the Civil Service pay award in 1953/54 was less than required, to normal increments, to regrading of posts, offset by savings on retirements and reduced provision for Sunday duty and overtime.

Sub-head K—Engineering Materials: —The decrease of £88,800 is due in the main to reduction in prices and to a reduction in the quantity of stores to be ordered because of an improved delivery position generally.

Sub-head L (3)—Contract Work:— The decrease of £118,200 is mainly due to decreased provision for telephone renewal work, the amount for which in 1953/54 was abnormally high, due to renewal of some of the larger exchanges.

Sub-head M—Telephone Capital Repayments:—Increase of £88,903. Funds for the development of the telephone system are provided under the authority of the Telephone Capital Acts (1924 to 1951) which authorise the Minister for Finance to issue sums out of the Central Fund for this purpose. Repayment of these funds is made by means of terminable annuities extending over a period not exceeding 25 years. In consultation with the Minister for Finance provision is made each year under sub-head M for the repayment of the instalments of principal and interest on the annuities created. The increased provision in the sub-head is an indication of the continuing expansion of the telephone system.

Sub-head T — Appropriations-in-Aid:—Increase £70,663, due to anticipated increased receipts from the sale of obsolete stores, from the Social Insurance and the Savings Bank Funds for administration expenses, and under other miscellaneous heads.

As regards the postal services, mail services worked satisfactorily during the past year and traffic generally remained steady. Air mail traffic, inward and outward, showed an upward trend. A new business reply service was introduced on the 1st July, 1953, and is being availed of to a wide extent by the business community throughout the country. The weight limit in the inland and foreign parcel post was increased from 11 lb. to 15 lb. on 12th April, 1954. This extension should be of particular benefit to business firms engaged in the export trade.

On the 1st March, 1954, the special cheap postage facilities in the inland service for blind persons and in the service to and from Great Britain, which hitherto had been restricted to embossed papers and books, were extended to embrace a wide range of articles specially adapted for the use of the blind.

The general reorganisation of postal services in rural areas was continued during the year and a daily frequency of delivery and a better standard of service were provided in the head office districts of An Uaimh, Ceanannus Mór, Dundalk, Monaghan, Cahir, Clonmel and part of Sligo. Daily frequency was provided on 98 posts on which delivery was previously restricted. The reorganisation of postal services in the head office districts of Tuam, Bandon, Skibbereen, Killarney, Tralee, Castlerea and the remainder of Sligo will, it is hoped, be undertaken this year.

Re-equipment of sorting offices with modern fittings was continued throughout the year and it is expected that all head offices will be supplied with these fittings before the end of 1954.

Six new sub-offices were opened and money order and savings bank facilities were extended to 11 sub-offices. A special postage stamp, in the 3d. and 1/3 denominations, was issued in September, 1953, to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the death of Robert Emmet. The stamp was printed in Ireland by the recess process. A special postage stamp in the 3d. and 5d. denominations was issued on the 24th May, 1954, to commemorate the Marian Year. This stamp also was printed in Ireland by the recess process.

Arrangements have been made to issue a further special stamp in 1954, in the 2d. and 1s. 3d. denominations, to commemorate Cardinal Newman's rectorship of the Catholic University of Ireland, the centenary of which is being celebrated this year. This stamp will be printed in the letterpress process in the Stamping Branch of the Revenue Commissioners.

The telegraph traffic continues to decline. The total number of telegrams handled was 3,477,500 as compared with 3,548,500 during the previous year.

As my predecessor announced last year during the progress through the House of the Telegraph Bill, 1953, a committee is considering the finances and working of the telegraph service in order to make recommendations on policy, rates of charge, organisation, etc., and on any other matters affecting the telegraph service. The report of this committee is awaited. In the meantime, however, the policy of abolishing morse telegraphy has proceeded. In the area roughly south of a line from Dublin to Ennis transmission by morse was replaced by teleprinter in six centres and by telephone at 28 other centres since April, 1953. In this area there now remain only 12 offices still using morse transmission. It is expected that morse will be replaced by telephone at all but two or three of these this year. The cessation of morse in the other half of the country is held up primarily through lack of circuits. This difficulty will, however, be largely overcome on the completion of the new coaxial cable from Dublin to Sligo and Athlone to which reference will be made later. During 1953 telegraph service was extended to 29 sub-post offices.

New radio telephone equipment to replace the existing radio telegraph equipment serving the larger islands off the coast has been received and is being installed. It is already in service to Inishmaan, Inishere, Tory, Gola and Owey Islands and it is hoped that it will be working before the end of the year to the eight other islands at present served by radio telegraph. Progress on these installations has been slower than was anticipated due primarily to the novel nature of the equipment. A considerable amount of experimentation and testing is necessary in each case in order to determine precisely the most suitable positions for the island and mainland terminals of the radio link.

Expansion and improvement of the telephone service continued during 1953. The number of trunk calls made represented an increase of 10.7 per cent. over the 1952 figure; local traffic increased by an estimated 3,000,000-odd calls to a total of over 80,000,000.

Seven thousand six hundred and one new telephone lines were installed as compared with 7,234 in 1952. The total number of waiting applications on the 31st December last was 3,250 representing a substantial reduction on the arrears of 5,000 odd on 31st December, 1952.

In some exchange areas in Dublin where plant and cable conditions are particularly favourable it is now practicable to give service to new applicants with little delay. The exceptionally heavy demand and connection rate in recent years, has, however, reduced the capacity of main underground cables in certain other areas in the city to a relatively narrow margin. This is likely to be the principal bottleneck in the way of providing telephones speedily in Dublin for some time and may reduce appreciably the Dublin installation figures for the current year. Major schemes for the laying of additional ducts and cable are already in hand or in various planning stages and are being pushed ahead as rapidly as the resources of the Department's engineering staff will permit.

In the provinces the clearance of waiting applications has been proceeding apace, but applications involving an abnormal amount of construction work were deferred in favour of early completion of the rural call office scheme. As the House is aware, this scheme has been receiving a substantial measure of priority. Two hundred and twenty-five isolated post offices were provided with telephones in 1953 and of some 900 post offices originally scheduled for attention only 25 now remain without telephones. The work required to provide the remaining call offices is being "staggered" over the remainder of this year to enable the engineers to dispose of their resources to the best advantage and in particular to do more trunk work and to commence the clearance of long deferred applications involving abnormal work.

During last year 53 telephone kiosks were provided. There are at present over 200 in service in Dublin City and suburbs and approximately 250 in the provincial areas. In general, all provincial towns with a population of 1,000 or over have now got kiosks. The question of providing kiosks in towns with smaller populations is kept under continuous review.

Certain improvements in the Telephone Directory were effected in the 1953 edition. It is proposed to improve the directory further in the next issue. It will be in larger and clearer print and will be divided into two sections, one for Dublin City and County and the other for the rest of the telephone system.

In Dublin a new automatic exchange linked with the Dublin automatic network was opened at Clondalkin (serving the Clondalkin and Tallaght areas). Installation of an automatic exchange at Sutton (to serve the Sutton-Howth area) is proceeding and the exchange will be opened towards the end of the year.

Operator trunk dialling, which was introduced between Dublin and Belfast in 1952, was extended last year to the cross-Channel route; Dublin operators now dial directly numbers in the London and Liverpool areas and in the reverse direction British operators dial Dublin numbers. Last summer the number of cross-Channel circuits was substantially increased, and there is now a no-delay service to and from Great Britain.

In the provinces a new auto-manual exchange was opened at Athlone last September. At Nenagh, Muine Bheag, Tramore, Maynooth and Dunboyne manual exchanges were replaced by wholly automatic exchanges. New auto-manual exchange buildings are in course of erection at Limerick, Drogheda and Mullingar.

Switchboard equipment was extended during 1953 at 118 exchanges, and new modern operating equipment installed at Galway, Sligo, Mallow, Killarney, Youghal and Tullamore.

The trunk service was further improved by the addition of some 8,900 miles of trunk circuits to the telephone network and no-delay services were introduced on many routes including the Sligo-Letterkenny, Dublin-Ballina, Dublin-Claremorris and Dublin-Wexford routes.

The proposed underground trunk cable from Dublin to Mullingar with branches to Athlone and Sligo has now passed from the planning to the actual working stage. Trenching work commenced in April. It is hoped to have some long-distance circuits working in this cable by the middle of next year and some circuits between intermediate exchanges earlier still. When this cable is completed a backbone network of underground cables from the capital to the South, West and North, capable of easy expansion to meet any foreseeable traffic demands on the major trunk routes affected, will be available.

It is planned to build about 1,800 miles of overhead physical circuits to shorter routes throughout the country where extra circuits are required. Last year over 1,350 miles of new circuit were provided in this way.

Continuous service was introduced at 13 exchanges where the hours of service were previously restricted; and the hours of service were extended by two hours at 188 small exchanges. Over 96 per cent. of subscribers are now provided with 24-hour service.

The Department's building programme is continuing to make good progress. In the Dublin district, there are at present under construction automatic telephone exchange buildings at Foxrock and Whitehall and work on a major extension of Clontarf automatic telephone exchange has commenced. Premises for a new post office at South Anne Street, Dublin, have been acquired and the necessary adaptation works are in course of execution.

Pending the erection of new permanent district sorting offices to serve the Dundrum/Churchtown and Crumlin/Walkinstown areas of Dublin, a temporary office has recently been provided at Churchtown and it is hoped to provide a similar temporary office in Walkinstown in the near future.

In the provinces, new post offices and/or telephone exchange buildings are under construction at Limerick, Drogheda, Kilrush, Rathluirc, Mullingar and Greystones, and financial provision has been made for the commencement of new buildings at Galway, Sligo, Naas, Cootehill, Athenry and Letterkenny. Structural alterations providing extended accommodation are in progress at Ballina, Tralee, Monaghan and Cahir, and schemes for Kilkenny, Dundalk, Ennis, Carrick-on-Suir, Fermoy, Loughrea, Roscommon, Bray and Ballymote are well advanced.

Considerable progress has been made in the detailed study of postal and customs requirements for the new Central Sorting Office in Dublin and a tentative lay-out plan for the building has recently been received from the architecht assigned to the work by the Commissioners of Public Works.

The position of the Post Office Savings Bank continues to be satisfactory. Deposits rose from £13,323,000 in 1952 to £14,075,000 in 1953 and withdrawals fell from £10,961,000 to £10,815,000, a net surplus of £3,260,000 as compared with £2,362,000 for the previous year. Interest earned during the year is estimated at £1,437,000 and the total amount standing to the credit of depositors on the 31st December, 1953, is approximately £61,767,000.

Deposits during the year by the Trustee Savings Banks amounted to £980,500 and withdrawals to £462,000, an increase of £60,700 on deposits and a decrease of £237,700 on withdrawals. The balance to credit of the Trustees Savings Banks at the end of the year, including £258,000 for interest, is approximately £9,290,000.

An appreciable amount was withdrawn by ordinary depositors and by the Trustee Savings Banks for reinvestment in 4½ per cent. National Loan.

The estimated combined balances, Post Office and Trustee Savings Banks, on the 31st December, 1953, amounted to £71,057,000 as compared with £65,584,000 on the same date in 1952.

In regard to saving certificates, business for the year showed a small decrease as compared with the previous year. Receipts from sales amounted to £3,037,000, repayment of principal to £1,375,000 and interest to £517,000. Corresponding figures for 1952 were £3,370,000, £1,576,000 and £638,000. The decrease in sales was mainly due to the natural decline in purchases as compared with 1952, during which year the 5th issue, a very attractive one, was introduced. The decrease in repayments was principally due to smaller investments by savings certificate holders in the 4½ per cent. National Loan than in the National Loan floated in 1952.

The amount of principal due to investors at the end of the year stood at £16,935,000 compared with £15,272,000 at the end of 1952.

Last year when speaking on the Estimate my predecessor dealt at length with the financial position of the Department. He indicated that on a commercial account basis the working of the Department for the year 1953/54 was estimated to result in a deficit in excess of £700,000. To meet this anticipated loss the former Government decided to increase postal, telephone and telegraph charges so that the Department should be self supporting. Increased postal charges were accordingly introduced in May, 1953, increased telephone charges in July and October, and as already mentioned, the position regarding telegraph charges is being examined by a special committee. These increases would have enabled the Department to meet the anticipated deficit on the over-all working of the Department for 1953/54. As the House is aware, however, increased pay was awarded to the Civil Service as from the 1st of April, 1953, and the cost of that increase to the Department for that year was £420,000. Despite this increased cost the deficit on the over-all working of the Department for the year is now estimated at £312,000 made up as follows: Postal Service, Deficit £142,000; Telegraph Service, Deficit £347,000; Telephone Service, Profit £177,000.

Before concluding, there is one important matter to which I wish to refer particularly and that is the manner in which appointments are made to sub-postmasterships. Deputies will recall that in January, 1951, under the inter-Party Government, a permanent selection board, consisting of senior officers of the Department, was established in connection with the filling of such positions, and given the following special directions:—

"(a) The board shall be responsible for the investigation of the applications and qualifications of all candidates for any of the said positions;

(b) The board shall disqualify for the said positions any candidate who uses or attempts to use political influence in the furtherance of his or her candidature for any of the said positions, and

(c) The board, after an impartial examination of the applications and qualifications of all candidates, for any of the said positions, shall determine the candidate most suitable in each case having regard to the efficiency of the public service."

Since my assumption of office I have found that there has been a departure from this procedure and that the selection board originally constituted has been replaced by another board, which submits to the Minister, not one recommended candidate but three candidates, in order of merit, from which the Minister may select the person he considers most suitable for the appointment. I have found, too, that in connection with these appointments it has been the practice to permit representations to be made by Deputies directly to the Minister, thus bringing these appointments back into the sphere of political pressure. I propose to get away from this revised procedure and to revert to the original procedure under which the selection of the most suitable candidate is left to the board. I propose also to reintroduce the direction that the use or attempted use of political influence in connection with such appointments shall lead to the disqualification of the candidate concerned.

I realise, of course, that the final responsibility for the appointments rests with the Minister.

Finally, despite my short service as Minister, I think that I should express my appreciation of the efficient and zealous manner in which the important services for which the Department is responsible are operated by all ranks of the staff.

In connection with this Estimate, as with the others, the Minister has had no time to examine the work of the Department and has presented the kind of Estimate which I would have had to present if I had been in his position, but I would like to say that we all of us had great regard for the Minister in his former capacity as Minister for Local Government and for the way he presented the work of his Department to the House, and in that connection I feel quite sure that his good qualities will be again reflected in the work he will do in his new Department. I think I can say on behalf of all members of the Party which I represent, that we had considerable regard for the Minister during his last term of office.

The Minister is to be congratulated on having at his disposal officers for whom I had the highest admiration when I was in his place and, in connection with the service, which is largely, and should be, semi-commercial, he will find that the officers will give him advice on the many personal problems with which he will have to deal, relating to a staff of nearly 14,000 persons, advice which I found to be, in virtually every case, excellent and related not only to humane considerations but to the considerations of the service which these men have to perform and to the necessity of their being persons of undoubtedly high character. I feel sure that the Minister in his new position will find that he can take the advice of his officers almost without any qualification in regard to all these matters because of the experience they have had.

In connection with the postal service, as the Minister has noted, the revenue, both from the parcel and letter end, has been reasonably stable throughout the years and I am glad to hear that the Minister intends to continue with the revision of the rural post office services and to provide eventually a daily service throughout the country.

I hope the Minister will proceed with the plans that were being made for providing new and better uniforms for postmen. I understand that uniforms of better material can be provided at what, at least two years ago, was less annual replacement cost and that the men will look better in the uniforms. I have always felt that the uniforms of the postmen were rather behind those of the Army and the Garda Síochána and even of such bodies as C.I.E. Officers have drafted some excellent designs and I hope the Minister will continue the work of finalising the arrangements for providing postmen with better uniforms.

I am glad to hear that the work of the improvement of buildings is likely to continue. I hope the Minister will set his face firmly against any attempt by anyone who would provide advice to the Department of Posts and Telegraphs with regard to the design of buildings to use drab, Victorian, British colours for the improvement or renovation of post offices. Let us have reasonably bright colours so long as they are in conformity with the style of architecture involved. There was a terrible tradition of bright, shiny, red brick and dull, dull brown and drab, drab grey. Let us please get away from that in the future development of our post offices.

I trust that the Minister will examine the proposals for a renewal of the permanent stamp issues. We have a permanent stamp issue longer than any other country in the world. There has been no change for many years. While it may be desired to preserve some of the best stamps amongst our stamp issue for reasons of national tradition, there is a case for improving some of the stamps and the Minister will be able to get valuable advice in that regard.

The Minister has noted that the telegraph committee is proceeding with this work of investigating the loss on our telegraph services, which remains at £300,000 for this year. That is equivalent to one and a half times the tax on dance entrances which was repealed by the last Government. May I mention that, in my opinion, it is absolutely wrong for the taxpayer to have to pay for the telegraph service? Of the total number of telegrams, about 32 per cent. are sent by business people. The remainder consist of domestic, consolatory and congratulatory telegrams. I suggest that in the case of a State service of this kind the richer users should pay for the element that is supposed to represent social services, namely, those sending messages by telegram on special occasions.

I want to say that if the Minister makes some sensible proposals for the elimination of this loss—I might mention, in passing, that in Britain the telegraph service results in an annual loss of £3,000,000 or £4,000,000—and if he makes sensible proposals which may involve an increase in the charge for telegraph services in certain circumstances, if, for example, he proposes a night letter-telegram, a telegram to be delivered with the first post next morning, at a relatively cheap rate— we must remember that most telegraph rates were fixed away back in 1926— with a relatively expensive rate for the immediate urgent telegram, and if he can do that in a manner which will give reasonable facilities while making allowance for the change in the value of money since 1926 and the increase in wages since, I feel quite sure that the members of the Party which I represent will not criticise the Minister merely because he is increasing the charge. I would ask him, as far as possible, not to feel afraid of making reasonable proposals which will not hit the poorer man but which will at the same time bring the telegraph service a little more into balance than it is at the present time.

In regard to the telephone service, the most urgent work is that of enabling the programme in Dublin to be completed together with trunk circuits in areas where there is still not a satisfactory service and providing telephone services for those people who have long lines in the country and have been waiting a long time in the interests of providing telephones for all post offices. If this work is carried out as quickly as possible it should be practicable to give telephones more speedily in the future. As the Minisster probably knows, even in Great Britain with all the panoply of engineering services available there, there are at this moment 350,000 people waiting for telephones and they have had to wait for a considerable time. A somewhat similar condition of affairs obtains in America, where last year there were 500,000 people waiting for telephones for a considerable period. Most telephone administrations think it best to ensure greater speed for trunk services rather than make concessions to telephone subscribers who wish to have installations in their homes as quickly as possible.

I hope the work of the industrialist consultants who have been of great help in the engineering service will continue to prosper under the present Minister. The consultants who have been in operation have been able to find that while the improvements introduced were of great importance, these improvements were of a kind they had been able to make in private commercial companies paying dividends and making profits. The improvements were in no way abnormal or peculiar. I hope the work will continue under the present Minister.

As the Minister knows, the work of the engineering branch in the year 1953 constituted a record in the history of the Department. With a staff showing an increase of 16 per cent. there was a tremendous increase in the output of work. I am sure that under the present Minister that increase will continue.

In regard to the three services taken as a whole, the whole service, I understand, is estimated to lose £312,000 in the coming year—a profit on the telephone service, a small loss on the postal services and a large loss, as I have already mentioned, in the telegraph service. The service was losing £840,000 in the last year of the last Government but one which held office and the last Government but one, in which the present Minister held office, imposed charges totalling some £1,000,000 a year, the last of which was left to me to authenticate and which was approved of by the last Government. The last Government, of which I was a member, imposed further charges totalling £800,000 a year and the service still shows a loss. Over a period of 20 years the three services showed a total net annual loss of half a million pounds. While I realise that under the inflationary conditions under which we have been living, it may be difficult for the Minister to reduce that loss at the present time, I hope he agrees with me that as far as possible the service should be made to pay for itself. It may take time to see what steps can be taken to reduce the current loss of £300,000, which I feel is unreasonable. I feel that the richer users of the three services should be able to pay for the losses which arise from the social service elements in the three services and the taxpayer should not be asked to pay, if at all possible, for the person who uses the telegraph, telephone or postal services.

As I say, I am speaking in a very general way. I am aware of the difficulty which faces the Minister. It may be quite impossible in present circumstances, in which there have been so many inflationary tendencies, high costs of living and tremendously high cost of materials—telephone material now costs three or four times what it cost in 1939—to apply the principle immediately. Such a proposal might do more harm than good but I hope he will bear it in mind. I might point out to the Minister that the charges for the postal and telegraph services are amongst the lowest to be found in this country compared with the general standard of charges in 1938.

Most of the postal and parcel charges vary from 50 to 60 per cent. above 1938. Telephone charges in the case of rentals are only 50 per cent. above 1938 and call charges are 30 to 66 per cent. above 1938. Although there are other services in this country which have expanded and which have shown a greater traffic volume and where, on the principle of the old Ford car, the price should be kept down, the fact is that, even comparing the telephone service with other services which have shown a great volume of expansion, the charges made at the present time, although people no doubt feel them keenly, are very low compared with 1938. The Minister at least has not got to face the charge that the cost has been in any way unduly inflated.

The Minister made some observation on the amendment that was made by myself in relation to the selection of sub-postmasters. I found that the officers of the Department made very wise choices, taken as a whole, and out of a total of some 308 appointments made since 1951 there were changes made only in about 13 from the proposals already made by the officers of the Department. If the Minister thinks that by going back to the original system he will get some advantage, I hope the result will be satisfactory; but I hope the Minister is also aware that the selection board as now proposed by him has no statutory justification in law and that he still is absolutely responsible and that when he says the board should determine the names of the persons to be appointed he nevertheless is entirely responsible himself. As I have said, there were very few alterations made in the time of the last Government—only about 13 out of some 308 appointments, made in connection with the system as left by my predecessor. In connection with the system as it was amended whereby the selection board put up a number of names, up to three, in all, there were only some five changes made out of 100 appointments.

I would like to express the hope that the Minister will confer with the Minister for Finance with a view to preserving and expanding the work of the Director of Savings who was appointed by the last Government and whose special duty is to provide more modern publicity for the encouragement of savings in connection with the Post Office Savings Bank and with the other forms of savings provided by the Post Office. While it is difficult to prove that savings increased in the last year from causes directly related to the work of the Director of Savings and the expansion of publicity, it is my personal view that his work was of great assistance. The point was being reached where some inquiry had been made into the possibility of establishing savings committees in industries and in large centres of employment, whereby workers could, by agreement, have savings voluntarily deducted from their wages and put into the Post Office Savings Bank. Difficulty was found in that in many cases the leaders of industry or representatives of trade unions concerned reported that there was already a considerable number of different kinds of deductions made for various social purposes and that to add another deduction in the form of Post Office savings might be difficult. However, the scheme has been propounded, it was propounded by the present Taoiseach, it has been examined by us and I commend it to the Minister for his further examination.

At the outset I would like to express gratitude to Deputy Childers for the cordiality with which he has greeted me on taking up the office which he has vacated. In the brief period I have been in office I have been able to assess even now the wonderful amount of energy put into the Department by my predecessor, with commendable success. Therefore, any suggestions from Deputy Childers will have very serious consideration from me. His aim and mine are the same, to make the Post Office service as efficient as possible and to aim at the day when it will be in truth the revenue Department it ought to be, without in any way impairing the efficiency of the service given to the people. Along those lines I shall strive. I am very new to the work. I may say I am taking a good deal of notice of what Deputy Childers has said and as far as I can, with my officials, I will follow along the road of energetic work. I have sufficient optimism to hope, with the continuous growth of the telephone system, which is likely to be most profitable, that in the near future we may be able to give a completely satisfactory service to the people and at least pay our way. Towards reaching that day I shall bend all my energies in my new Department.

Vote put and agreed to.
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