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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 19 Mar 1958

Vol. 166 No. 4

Committee on Finance. - Adjournment Debate: Passports for Northern Rhodesia.

On the 26th February, 1958, I addressed the following question to the Minister for External Affairs:—

"To ask the Minister for External Affairs whether members of the Garda Síochána, who applied for passports to go to Northern Rhodesia, have been refused, and if so, on what grounds, and how many such refusals have been made."

The Minister for External Affairs replied:—

"So far as I am aware from an examination of the records of my Department for the past few years no member of the Garda Síochána applied for a passport to go to Northern Rhodesia; the latter part of the question does not, therefore, arise."

I want to assure the House and particularly the Minister for External Affairs, that I do not raise this matter on the Adjournment for the purpose of embarrassing the Minister. I raise it only for the purpose of eliciting information. The information at my disposal proves that the reply which the Minister gave me on the 26th February last is not in accordance with the facts.

It is generally known that in recent months, particularly in the past six months, quite a large number of members of the Garda Síochána have gone abroad to serve in policy forces on the Continent and in Africa, Canada and the United States. When the Minister for External Affairs tells me that, so far as his Department is concerned, no member of the Garda Síochána applied for a passport it may be the case that the Department prepared a hasty reply for the Minister. I do not accuse the Minister of giving the House either false or misleading information. It may be that he had not the full facts before him.

In December, 1957, an application was submitted from the Superintendent of the Garda Síochána in Clonakilty for the issue of a passport to enable a member of the Garda Síochána to travel to Northern Rhodesia for the purpose of joining the police force there. The fact was clearly stated on the application form. The Garda's full name and address were given and also the address in Northern Rhodesia. A statement of these facts is still available from the records of the sergeant of the Garda Síochána at Clonakilty who will be prepared to vouch for the facts.

The application was made. A week or ten days passed before a reply was received. After ten days, the Department of External Affairs wrote to the applicant stating that, under recent regulations, the Minister for External Affairs could not grant passports to Irish citizens serving or proposing to serve in a foreign police force. That letter was dated 30th December, 1957. Copies of the letter are available. I understand that a copy of the letter was sent to a certain newspaper. Not alone was one such letter issued by the Department of External Affairs but a number of such letters was issued.

As a result of the refusal to grant a passport in this case, the member of the Garda Síochána who was guaranteed an important appointment in the police force in Northern Rhodesia could not travel on the 8th January. It has been the cause of very great disappointment to him. I fail to understand why, when such facts were submitted to the Department of External Affairs, there would appear to be no trace whatever of this application and no trace of the reply issued by the Minister in so far as the particular person is concerned.

May I enlighten the Minister further, in order to refresh his memory? When the reply which he gave me in this House appeared in the daily papers on the 27th February, the applicant addressed a personal letter to the Minister for External Affairs, Dáil Eireann, Dublin, dated 28th February, 1958, in which he refreshed the Minister's memory by giving him all those facts. The Minister was also given to understand that the applicant would refer him for further details of his application to the Garda Síochána sergeant at Clonakilty, County Cork.

If it is a thing that the Minister has now decided to grant the passport to enable this individual to go to Northern Rhodesia, it is too late. The appointment has been cancelled due to the fact that he could not get to Northern Rhodesia on the 8th January. It has been the cause of very great inconvenience. In particular, the reply the Minister gave is by no means in accordance with facts. I raise the matter in a most friendly spirit. I hope the Minister will accept it in the spirit in which I raise it, that is, merely to elicit information and to see if there has been a mistake on the part of his Department. It was a serious matter in so far as this person is concerned, and I am anxious that such a mistake will not recur.

In view of the fact that so many members of the Garda Síochána are displeased with present conditions in the Force, in so far as bad pay and bad conditions are concerned, and are anxious to get very high and important appointments in the police force in Northern Rhodesia where the conditions are most attractive and where a member of the Garda Síochána, going there from this country to-day, can secure a position yielding the same pay as that of a Superintendent in this country because of his skill, training and ability, if there are any applications for passports such as the one in question, perhaps the Minister will be good enough to tell us if they will be granted in future? I feel that a citizen has the right to go to any part of the world he wishes, if he is a free man. The Minister should clear up the position for members of the Garda Síochána who are anxious to better themselves as there are great opportunities abroad for them. It is wrong of the Department of External Affairs to prevent them from going abroad in these circumstances. If we are a free people, we should be allowed to go to any part of the world we like, provided we are of good character and conduct ourselves.

I hope the Minister will be able to throw a certain amount of light on this situation which has caused inconvenience to the applicant in question. Furthermore, it has caused a certain amount of inconvenience and anxiety to members of the Force who have applied for passports to serve in the police forces in Northern Rhodesia and elsewhere.

The Deputy, on the date mentioned, put me the question which he has read out—did we refuse a member of the Gardaí a passport to go to Northern Rhodesia? I said "No"; I still say the answer is "No" and it is a fact.

I got the letter to which the Deputy referred from an ex-Garda and that put me on to the case. I looked up the information at our disposal. The sergeant of the Guards, to whom the Deputy referred, certified that an ex-Garda—not a serving member of the Gardaí—wanted a passport. However, he also informed us that he did not want to be described on the passport as an ex-Garda; he wanted to be described on the passport as a member of the Rhodesian Police Force. In fact, he wanted the Minister for External Affairs to ask all and sundry, in the words of the passport, to give protection to this serving member of the Rhodesian Police Force—who, of course, must swear allegiance to the governing authorities of that police force. He wanted him to request all and sundry "to allow the bearer"— this Rhodesian Police Force member—"a citizen of Ireland, to pass freely, without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer all necessary assistance and protection."

Now, in many countries there are laws prohibiting citizens from joining the forces of other countries, and the penalty is deprivation of all rights of citizens. My predecessor, whom Deputy Flanagan supported in office for three years, had exactly the same approach to this problem as I had—that we cannot afford protection to a member of a foreign police force or a member of a foreign army. I think that the person who joins a foreign army or a foreign police force, to defend a foreign nation, has a right to get whatever protection and assistance its Government can afford him and should not look to us for it.

It is not true to say that a great number of members of the Garda, or ex-members of the Garda, have looked for this. Deputy Flanagan, on the same date as he raised this question here, said to the Minister for Justice that a great number of them are seeking to go to Kenya, Rhodesia and other countries. As far as we know, no serving member of the Garda ever asked. A few ex-members, former members, of the Garda, not more than half a dozen, did, over recent years, ask for passports to go to join foreign police forces; and my predecessor took exactly the same view of the matter as I do, that we cannot afford protection and assistance to them while they are serving the interests of another Power.

I think the gentleman who wrote to Deputy Flanagan on this matter was not quite as open in the matter as he should have been; because this man was not a serving member of the Garda, he was an ex-member. If he wants to leave, there is no passport required between here and Great Britain. If he wants to serve Great Britain, it is up to him to look for a passport and for protection from the people to whom he is prepared to take an oath of allegiance.

Does the Minister agree that the person to whom I was referring resigned from the Garda Síochána on the 19th December and that the application for the passport was made prior to his resignation from the Garda?

No, I do not. The evidence is that he did not apply while he was a serving member. It was after he left the Garda that he applied.

My information is different.

I am afraid the Deputy has been misled in the matter.

We shall look into it again.

The Dáil adjourned at 10.45 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Thursday, 20th March, 1958.

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