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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 18 Jun 1958

Vol. 169 No. 2

Committee on Finance. - Finance Bill, 1958—Money Resolution.

I move:—

That for the purpose of any Act of the present session to charge and impose certain duties of customs and inland revenue (including excise), to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provisions in connection with finance, it is expedient to authorise as follows:

(a) to redeem borrowings, and interest thereon, in respect of capital services, there shall be charged annually on the Central Fund or the growing produce thereof a sum of £601,122 in the twenty-nine successive financial years and a sum of £717,012 in the thirty successive financial years commencing in each case with the financial year ending on the 31st day of March, 1959, and

(b) relief from tax, either by repayment or otherwise as the Revenue Commissioners consider proper, shall be given, in relation to the period between the passing of the Finance (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1956 (No. 47 of 1956), and the passing of the said Act of the present session, where such relief is appropriate on account of amendment of the expression "goods" (as defined in Section 10 of the Finance (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1956) effected by the said Act of the present session.

Paragraph (a) deals with Section 56 and paragraph (b) with Section 51 of the Bill. Section 56 deals with capital services redemption and Section 51 is necessary under the concession given for export profits. Deputies will remember that, in these concessions for export profits, we included fish farms and mushrooms. It will be retrospective to the time it was passed, but, in this case, they will get money rather than pay out. This will be necessary if there is a claim for any refund of income-tax paid on profits for export since 1956 and before this date. We cannot give the refund unless we get this legislation.

Profits derived from fish farms and mushrooms?

These are the two concerned.

Surely paragraph (a) is not about fish farms and mushrooms?

No, paragraph (a) is about capital investment.

Perhaps the Minister said it but I did not hear him when I turned to the wrong section. What is the purpose of paragraph (a) ?

I believe there is a Financial Resolution every year on the subject of capital investment. This is the Financial Resolution to cover it.

Does the Minister tell me that I moved a similar Resolution in other years? My memory is gone.

Does this relate to moneys borrowed from the Marshall Aid Counterpart Fund?

No, it is ordinary money paid out of the Local Loans Fund. It is ordinary capital paid out during the year. We create a sinking fund to pay it back.

We have always had Section 56. I quite understand that but have we ever had to have a Financial Resolution before Section 56?

I am told we must have and I am sure the Deputy was told that too.

If that is so, if it has been done every year and has to be done every year, how is it that the Minister forgot to do it on Budget Day?

It is a Money Resolution, not a Financial Resolution. These are ordinary Money Resolutions which come before the Committee Stage of any Bill. These are not Financial Resolutions.

I thought the last one was a Financial Resolution—on the stripping.

Yes, you are right there.

That was a Financial Resolution but this is a Money Resolution.

I am delighted to hear Deputy Sweetman sees a clear distinction between a Money Resolution and a Financial Resolution. So far as I am concerned I can see no difference whatever, but that much having been recorded, I should like to ask this question: what capital sum is serviced as to interest and redemption by £601,122, as now altered to £717,012? That suggests to me that the capital sum outstanding has increased during the last 12 months and the redemption and interest fund appropriate has proportionately increased. That figure cannot be related to the total borrowings of the Exchequer. It must be related to one figure rather than to the total borrowings. What is the figure to which that annual resolution applies?

This, I think, is clarified under Section 56. I just cannot find Section 56 at the moment, but you will find in Section 56 there was an estimate made at the beginning of the year, and that was changed to the true sum at the end of the year. The second amount is the estimate for the coming year.

I quite see that but what is the sum to which this annual appropriation, which is corrected to £717,012, is appropriate for the redemption and interest? What is the sum to which that is already applied?

It is between £10 million and £11 million.

Is there a separate appropriation set up by Resolution each year in respect of capital borrowings set out in the Book of Estimates?

Provision is made each year in respect of the redemption of capital moneys voted and spent.

Is this in fact a whole series of moneys running parallel, each designed to redeem the money in the year it was voted?

The first relates to capital services which were actually paid in 1957-58, and the second relates to estimated services for 1958-59.

Question put and agreed to.
Financial Resolutions and Money Resolution reported and agreed to.
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