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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 26 Feb 1959

Vol. 173 No. 2

Committee on Finance. - Companies Bill, 1959—Second Stage.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. Its purpose is to amend and extend in certain respects the law relating to companies contained in the Companies Acts 1908-1924. Since this is the first piece of company legislation to be introduced here in the Dáil with the exception of the 1924 Act which was needed to deal only with a passing difficulty and effected no permanent change in the law, it may be useful if I give the House a brief outline of the origin and development of our present system of company law.

For historical reasons, of which Deputies will be aware, the course of development of company law in this country is very similar to that of British company law, since the various enactments passed from time to time in Britain on this subject were customarily extended, with occasional minor adaptations, to this country. Here, as in Britain, the forerunner of the ordinary commercial company as we know it to-day was the joint stock company which originated in the seventeenth century, when the advantages of participation by a large number of people in a commercial undertaking first became obvious. These joint stock companies were usually founded on a deed of settlement which set out the rights and obligations of the members, and divided the capital into shares of fixed amounts freely transferable by the holders. They were, in fact, little more than large partnerships and there were always legal difficulties associated with them. Commercial interests were in ensuing years continually pressing for their recognition as companies with separate corporate existence.

In 1844, the first Joint Stock Companies Act was passed. This Act required all companies subsequently formed, with certain exceptions, to be registered under it, and companies thus registered were given the privilege of incorporation. Incorporation may be described as a device whereby a company is given a legal existence quite distinct from that of the individuals who go to make it up. An incorporated company is endowed with faculties, privileges and powers not enjoyed by an unincorporated body, for example, power to hold land, to sue and be sued in its own name, and so forth.

Companies incorporated under the Act of 1844 still lacked the very important privilege accorded to companies incorporated by special Act of Parliament or by Charter, namely, the immunity of the individual members from liability for the debts of the company or, as we call it to-day, limited liability. About a decade later, however, the registration of joint stock companies with limited liability for the members became possible under an Act of 1855. Several amending Acts were passed about this time conferring additional rights or imposing additional obligations on companies, but the law remained unsatisfactory in a number of respects and, by reason of the multiplicity of Acts, it remained somewhat confusing, until the whole system was eventually overhauled and remodelled in the first major Companies Act—the Companies Act, 1862.

This was a milestone in commercial legislation and indeed the Act is often referred to as the charter of modern co-operative enterprise. It proved its value in Britain where it facilitated to a remarkable extent the enormous expansion of trade and commerce which occurred in the second half of the last century. Its value to this country was naturally limited by the political and social conditions prevailing here at the time. Nevertheless, such industrial and commercial expansion as did occur was facilitated by the provisions of the Act. Though amended and supplemented on many subsequent occasions, a large number of its provisions have remained unaltered to the present day. The main object of this Act was to make available to all, by a simple and inexpensive system of registration, the privilege of carrying on business with limited liability. All that was required was to submit for registration a document known as a memorandum of association signed by the requisite number of persons and to procure in return a certificate of incorporation.

The years between 1862 and 1908 witnessed no fewer than 18 Acts to amend and extend the Companies Act of 1862. The existence of all these enactments caused considerable inconvenience and confusion, and for many years there was a strong demand for a consolidating measure. Eventually all the legislation was brought together under the Companies (Consolidation) Act, 1908, which, with some minor amendments made in 1913 and 1917, is the principal statute relating to companies in this country. During the War of Independence the records held by the Registrar of Companies at the Custom House were destroyed by fire, and the Companies (Reconstitution of Records) Act, 1924, was passed to deal with the problems thereby created. Since that time, no further company legislation has been enacted.

The question has sometimes been asked whether we should not think in terms of a more comprehensive change in our system of company law than is now in prospect. There have been suggestions that there might be advantages in adopting an alternative system, either one based on continental law or one which might be designed to change even more fundamentally the character and responsibilities of companies. Whatever theoretical case might be made for a fundamental change, the practical difficulties of attempting it and the unpredictable effects which would follow on it, would make it a very formidable and perhaps dangerous enterprise on which to embark.

The whole commercial organisation of the State has been built up on the basis of the present law, and while that law has its flaws and weaknesses, the practical advantages of adhering to it seem to outweigh the very problematic advantages of a comprehensive change. There is probably no perfect system in any case. The defects in the existing law which have been shown to exist will be, in large measure, remedied by this and the subsequent measure and while it would be unwise to suggest that the third Consolidation Act, when passed, would be liable to amendment, that possibility would exist in the event of the emergence of a serious need to change it.

The main concepts on which company law here is founded are that individuals may come together and form themselves into a body known as a company having a separate corporate existence of its own distinct from that of its members, thus ensuring the continuity of the concern notwithstanding the death or bankruptcy of the members and these members may, and generally do, declare that their liability is limited so that in the event of the company being brought to an end they will stand to lose only whatever capital they have put into the venture, together with any amounts remaining unpaid on their shares or guarantees. The members are free to transfer their shares either to other members or to outsiders. Lastly, as a convenient and workable arrangement, the day-to-day management of the company can be vested in a board of directors elected by the shareholders.

This is, of course, only the barest outline of the fundamentals of company law; the Acts deal with these and a host of other matters in great detail. There are, for example, provisions dealing with the internal regulations of the company known as its articles of association, the raising of capital from the public, its financial accounts, the reduction of share capital, the appointment of directors and numerous matters of management and administration. In addition there is a large number of provisions dealing with winding up, the object of which is to ensure that when a company is being brought to an end, its assets will be disposed of, and its creditors satisfied in due order of priority. The procedure varies according to whether the winding up is compulsory, by order of the court, is under the supervision of the court, or is voluntary.

The need for comprehensive changes in company law has long been recognised, but it has been difficult to find an opportunity to bring about these changes because of the magnitude and complexity of the task. A committee was set up however in 1951 to report on the reform of company law and it submitted its report in February last. As will be evident from the report, the committee undertook a particularly arduous task involving a detailed examination of an unusually complicated subject, and I would like to take this opportunity of expressing the appreciation of the Government of the valuable services rendered by the committee.

Its report, which contains numerous proposals for the amendment of existing legislation, is under examination at present, but it is clear that owing to the complexity of the problems involved, some period of time must elapse before all the committee's recommendations can be fully examined. Accordingly, some time ago I announced that, as an interim measure, legislation would be introduced to give effect to some of the more urgent reforms requiring attention, and these amendments are dealt with in the Bill which is now before the House. A second and much more complex Bill will have to be introduced later to deal with the remaining amendments requiring to be made in company law. Finally, it is my intention to introduce a consolidating Bill which will gather together in one measure all the law on this subject.

The actual matters arising out of the need to change the law and the report of the Committee on Company Law Reform that this Bill deals with are these. The Bill will authorise a company limited by shares to issue redeemable preference shares. That is dealt with in paragraph 58 of the report. Under the existing law, the share capital of a company cannot be reduced without the sanction of the courts. A company cannot, therefore, issue preference shares on the basis that they are redeemable, because to do so would involve an assumption that the courts would sanction the reduction of capital—in fact, they might not. It is sometimes difficult to raise capital on satisfactory terms by the issue of ordinary shares. The issue of preference shares may be an unsatisfactory alternative, since preference shares do not nowadays find the same support as they did in former years.

One reason for that is that, over a number of years, there has been a tendency for their market value to fall, with the result that prospective purchasers are often deterred from buying them for fear of suffering a capital loss. As assurance of redemption at par within a fixed time would go a long way towards removing this disadvantage and would reduce the difficulty which a number of Irish firms have experienced in procuring capital for development purposes. I am satisfied that, provided adequate safeguards are adopted, the issue of redeemable preference shares would be advantageous.

The next matter with which this Bill deals is dealt with at paragraphs 73-75 of the committee's report. At present, a company may not purchase its own shares, as this would constitute a reduction of its share capital. It is possible for a company to circumvent this prohibition by providing financial assistance to other persons to enable them to purchase its shares. Such a practice is objectionable as it could seriously weaken the security enjoyed by the company's creditors and I propose, therefore, to prohibit it. I am providing, however, an exemption which will permit a company to provide funds for the purchase of shares for the benefit of the employees. Profit sharing schemes for the benefit of employees are desirable, and I do not wish that the new legislation should interfere with any such arrangements. As a corollary to prohibiting companies from dealing in their own shares, I propose to prohibit a subsidiary company from purchasing shares in its holding company.

The next matter dealt with in the Bill is discussed in paragraph 96 of the committee's report. Schemes for the amalgamation of companies may, in certain circumstances, prove impracticable under the law as it stands. It sometimes happens that a majority of the shareholders of a company whose shares another company wishes to acquire are willing to sell, but that for one reason or another a small minority are not prepared to do so. It is sometimes not an attractive proposition for the purchasing company to take less than 100 per cent. of the share capital of the other company—leaving a small minority interest behind—and amalgamation schemes which are, perhaps, desirable in themselves may fall through for this reason. It is important to provide a remedy for this difficulty, and the Bill contains a provision that if an amalgamation scheme has been approved by the holders of at least 80 per cent. of the shares the transfer of which is involved, the company which is acquiring the shares will have power to purchase compulsorily the shares held by the dissenting minority. The position of minority groups is being safeguarded, however, by providing for a right of appeal to the courts.

Other sections of the Bill deal with matters discussed in paragraphs 127 and 128 of the committee's report.

Under the law as it stands, certain resolutions, such as resolutions in connection with a change of name of a company or a change in its objects or articles, are effective only if they are passed at two successive meetings; at the first the resolution must be passed by a majority of three-fourths of the members present, and at the second it has to be confirmed by a simple majority of the members present. These resolutions are known as special resolutions. In practice, the second meeting is almost invariably a formality and serves no useful purpose. There is, therefore, no point in putting companies to the expense of calling a second meeting, and I propose to dispense companies from the obligation to hold it. I propose also to make a change in the law as regards the computation of votes at a meeting. As the law stands, members who are present at a meeting but do not vote on a resolution are regarded as voting against it. This is obviously unsatisfactory and I propose to amend the law to provide that, in future, the requisite majority will be computed by reference to votes actually cast.

Every company is required to send each year to the Registrar of Companies a complete list of its shareholders showing their names, addresses and occupations and also details of their shareholdings. The preparation of this list involves a good deal of labour in the case of companies with a large number of members, and I feel the obligation could be eased without weakening the real effectiveness of the Act in this respect. I propose, therefore, to relax the requirement somewhat so as to provide that in future a complete list of shareholders need be filed in every fifth year only, a list of additions to, and deletions from, the full list to be filed in the intervening years. In order to facilitate the examination of the lists at the companies office, companies will have to provide a suitable index if the list is not in alphabetical order.

The name of a company must be set out in the memorandum of association which is registered in the companies office, but this name may be changed subsequently in accordance with a procedure prescribed by the Act which involves ministerial approval. A number of companies which have been registered under the Companies Acts have had their name prescribed in a separate Act, and as a result they are unable to change their name without an amendment of the latter Act. A case which illustrated their difficulty in a practical way came under my notice some time ago. I would have been perfectly willing to convey my assent to the proposed change of name, but I was advised that the procedure under the Companies Acts could not be utilised and that amending legislation would be necessary. The effect of the amendment which I am now proposing is that the provision under the Companies Acts will be made available in the type of case I have mentioned.

I am taking this opportunity of repealing the Companies (Foreign Interests) Act, 1917. This Act, which was passed during the First World War to control the interests of aliens in British and Irish companies, is now an anachronism. It has long ceased to serve a useful purpose, and it is proposed to repeal it.

This Bill is, as I have explained, an interim measure intended to deal with a number of matters which are of special urgency. Many of the other matters arising from the committee's report are of a complicated and perhaps controversial nature and they will require detailed study before it will be possible to reach conclusions in regard to them. The examination of all these matters is proceeding, and legislative proposals will be put forward in due course. In the meantime I hope that the present interim Bill will make a useful contribution to the task of bringing the law up to date on some aspects of company law.

This Bill which the Minister has introduced arises out of a report furnished by a committee set up in 1951 as well as by reason of the obvious need for certain changes in legislation. I might endorse the remarks which the Minister made concerning the work of that committee. It was appointed for the purpose of examining what amendments or changes were desirable in company law and I may say it was one of a number of legal reforms which were initiated, some of them implemented by the previous Government, as a result of recognition that improvements and changes were desirable.

This is a very useful report. It was unfortunate that due to reasons mentioned in the preliminary part of the report it was so long delayed. The persons concerned carried out an exhaustive and thorough examination of the problem. They have also provided in the report a useful historical summary of company law and the various changes which have taken place. So far as this country is concerned, the increase in the number of companies in the State has been considerable and is, indeed, a compelling reason for the reform of company law. It is notable that the increase is due almost entirely to the number of private companies. With the direct and indirect investment of public moneys in industry, it is important that companies should comply with a uniform system and that that system, both of law and of accounting, should supply the public or those interested with adequate information about the business and activities of the company concerned. For that reason, I was pleased to hear that this is only an interim measure.

One of the recommendations made in the report which was the subject of careful consideration by the committee was whether it was desirable merely to change the Companies (Consolidation) Act, 1908, or introduce a new Bill. The committee came to the conclusion that they should recommend that new legislation by way of amendment was not desirable and that a new Bill should be introduced. I am glad to note from the Minister that he proposes to introduce a Consolidation Bill later.

One of the problems in this country is that, with the amendments which have taken place in Britain, and with which the committee and others who have interested themselves in this matter agree, the amending legislation, particularly the British Act of 1948, is quite inappropriate in our circumstances. Nevertheless, it is obvious that changes should be made. It is also important that matters concerning company law should be contained in one statute. It is in itself a rather complicated and complex part of the law and the fact that our companies arrangements follow fairly closely the British system is one reason why— while not following it, certainly not following the very radical changes which were made in the 1948 Act— it is not desirable at this stage to embark on a new system of company law which would take no account of the practices and procedures which have been followed because of the application over the years of similar statutes to this country. However, the proposals which are contained in this measure deal merely with a few matters and I suppose it is not possible at this stage to consider the question in greater detail.

The power taken in Section 2 to issue redeemable preference shares is a very useful provision, which will be welcomed by business people generally. I should like the Minister to consider, between now and the Committee Stage, whether it would not be possible to get an amendment which would not merely cover the power which is contained in this section but which would also enable existing preference shares to be converted into redeemable preference shares where all the preference shareholders of the company agree. In a recent speech the chairman of the Industrial Credit Company and the chairman of the I.D.A. referred to the fact that, if this legislation is enacted, the Industrial Credit Company propose to provide capital, and would be enabled to provide capital, for industry in a way in which it is precluded from doing at present. He went on, in the course of that address, to deal with the advantages in issuing redeemable preference shares, which have been referred to by the Minister and which are the subject of this section. I believe that is to be welcomed.

The other provisions which are proposed here were all recommended in the course of the report published last year. One of the problems which the committee found was that it was impossible to get a unanimous view on certain matters; and it seems to me, from reading the report and from looking at the complexion of that committee, that the difficulties arose because of the views taken on the one hand by lawyers and on the other hand by accountants. The committee, on certain aspects, particularly those dealing with winding up and with the question of accounts, admitted that they found it difficult to get agreement. However, I hope that between now and the introduction of the consolidation measure, these other matters will be dealt with.

Anyone who has had experience of winding up companies is struck by the difficulties which arise and by the unsatisfactory nature of the procedure here. It ought to be possible to devise a system which, while not encumbering itself with the more elaborate procedure which is in operation in Britain, nevertheless will enable speedy and satisfactory effect to be given to the voluntary winding up procedure, which is at present both slow and unsatisfactory. In the case of winding up under the auspices of the court, the difficulties are not so great and provision is made for dealing with the matter in a more satisfactory way.

The other changes which are made here are desirable and follow from the recommendations made in this report. The introduction of a comprehensive consolidation measure is one which will fill a need long felt by those who have to deal with this matter, especially accountants, solicitors and people engaged in commerce generally.

One of the difficulties which was adverted to by the committee is the fact that, generally speaking, there are no text-books available here dealing with company matters for persons concerned with such matters. That refers not merely to those directly concerned: there is no adequate presentation of what the law is for those interested in investment here. While it is generally understood by outsiders that our system follows fairly generally the system in operation in Britain, it is important, with the need for increased investment here, that the law should be readily understood by those who propose to invest here and that the requirements which they will be obliged to fulfil or comply with should be easily ascertained and understood. That aspect of the matter was also referred to in the course of the address by Dr. Beddy. It is one of the questions generally addressed by outside investors who contemplate investing in this country or establishing an undertaking here.

I am disappointed that the question of stamp duty was not considered by this committee and that the question of duty on transfers is not considered in this measure. Probably, it is not strictly appropriate and the committee decided not to discuss it, but any impediment to increased investment here should be removed. If it is not considered possible to include such a provision in this Bill before its enactment, I hope it will be the subject of consideration before the consolidation measure is introduced.

This is a very technical Bill to the ordinary man, but I welcome it. The last Companies Act was the Act of 1924 which was introduced for reasons explained by the Minister at that time. The question of reforming company law is very important because of the number of people employed in the various industrial and commercial firms who would be affected by the financial manipulations which take place at the top in those firms.

The Minister has explained that this is more or less an interim Bill designed to consolidate the existing company laws and to provide facilities which have been lacking up to the present. I agree that a change in company law must be approached very carefully because so many classes are affected and because the very basis of the commercial and industrial set-up of the country might be undermined.

Tribute should be paid to the 1951 commission which examined this matter and reported back in February, 1958, suggesting reforms. Of course, some of the suggestions could not be adopted very readily without examination of their possible effects on the national economy. That is why I am glad to hear from the Minister that this is more or less an interim Bill. Of course, there will be opportunity on Committee Stage to go more fully into the technical aspects.

I agree that the need for the proposed changes has been recognised for a number of years. The Minister instanced a case where he was prepared to facilitate a certain firm but found that amending legislation would be necessary and he was unable to facilitate them, owing to lack of legal provision.

The Minister mentioned in the course of his speech that arrangements would be made for the redemption of shares at par at a fixed date. I was wondering what provision it will be possible to make towards that end. Government stock is guaranteed by the State to be redeemable at par at a certain time, but, in the case of private enterprise, it may be more difficult to assure shareholders that the shares will be redeemable at par at a certain fixed date.

It was also mentioned that there were possibilities under the existing law for a holding company to enable an outside interest to purchase shares from it or on its behalf. Amendment of legislation in this respect is very desirable. However, the existing company law has enabled a parent company to establish a number of subsidiary companies. In view of the limited capital available here, it is possible that, were it not for that facility, the enterprise displayed by the subsidiary companies might not have been possible and we might not have had the industrial growth that was achieved by some of those companies. That development was mainly due to the people who were associated with the original company and who formed a number of companies down along the line by manipulating the limited capital available.

I agree that this legislation will be of particular interest to accountants and the legal profession. It will have the effect of attracting outside capital to this country. Our industrial development has been hampered by lack of capital. If the introduction of this Bill encourages people with capital outside the country to invest it here, great advantages will accrue to the country.

The Minister mentioned that a complete list of shareholders need be filed with the Registrar of Companies only once every five years in future. I assume that in the intervening period the Revenue Commissioners will be working on the old list and will become aware of changes that take place, such as the death of a shareholder, the disposal of shares, and so on, and that the Revenue Commissioners will be facilitated to that extent and that that list will be a check for their purposes.

I welcome this Bill. I think this occasion should not pass without paying a tribute to the very valuable work done by members of the commission in putting before us in their report every aspect and every problem arising from the existing company law which enables us here to-day to consider the introduction of an interim Bill designed to meet the position that exists at present.

Immediately, might I correct one statement Deputy Rooney made that may cause some apprehension? The list of shareholders is supplied to the Registrar of Companies and not to the Revenue Commissioners. It is not intended by this device to empower the Revenue Commissioners to get after defaulting taxpayers.

In introducing this Bill, in the circumstances surrounding it, I appreciate that my difficulty will be to defend what is not in it rather than what is in it. There is before us a report recommending a whole series of changes in company law. The procedure which I contemplate is that we proceed at once to make the minimum number of changes which are required quickly and then examine all the recommendations of the committee and prepare a comprehensive amending Bill which will make all the changes in the law which we decide upon after examination of the committee's report. Finally, there will be the Consolidation Bill which will incorporate the whole lot in the one Act.

When I got the report of the committee and considered it, I consulted the Government as to the procedure to be adopted. I asked my officers to bring out from their recommendations a list of the changes which were proposed which would not likely to be controversial and which would be, therefore, easily embodied in the first of these three measures. They proposed 32 separate proposals which, if I proceeded with them, would defeat my main purpose because it would take a considerable time to frame a Bill containing these 32 provisions. The discussion on them and the possible amendment of them would also be a cause of further delay. Therefore, I proceeded to incorporate in this Bill only those changes in respect of which, from my own experience or because of representations made to the Department, there is a desire to do something quickly, leaving over all the other changes to the second amending Bill.

I would ask Deputies not to seek to go too far in bringing into this Bill additional proposals which are not in it at the moment, unless there is good reason for doing something about these matters quickly. All these matters will come up again in another Bill which is now in course of preparation. The aim is to get this Bill through fairly quickly so that the facilities it gives, particularly in regard to the issue of redeemable preference shares, and so on, will be available without delay.

It may be, I appreciate, that a case will be made either by some special interest or by individual Deputies for incorporating in this Bill some further changes which we have not proposed in the Bill at the moment. They can be considered but, in legislation of this kind, hasty action as a rule is not desirable. For that reason, I would ask those interests that may be thinking in terms of a further amendment of this Bill to keep in mind that there will be another Bill of a more comprehensive kind in which action can be taken if it is necessary and that, really, we should pass this Bill and put it on the Statute Book without holding it up.

Question put and agreed to.
Committee Stage ordered for Tuesday, 10th March, 1959.
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