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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 11 Jun 1959

Vol. 175 No. 12

Tabling of Documents: Member's Statement.

I gave you notice I wished to raise a matter I thought affected the privileges of the House and affected me as a Deputy. I appreciate that the time was extremely short. I received, since you went into the Chair, a notification that you did not consider that you should give me such permission. I want to put this to you, without going into the matter I told you I wished to raise, that when a Minister announces that he is going to show a document to anybody outside the House and when he is asked to put the document on the Table of the House, it is his duty to put it on the Table of the House and that it would also be the courteous thing to do. If there is a public averment that a document on record in a Government Department is to be shown to anybody, then, if one of the persons concerned—and I was the person concerned here—asks that the document be put on the Table of the House, it should be done. I suggest I should be allowed to make that point in relation to the matter that arose in this House this morning.

I accept without question that because of the time factor in relation to the typescript being available, it was not possible for you to give as full consideration to it as you otherwise might, but the typescript shows clearly that the Minister for Agriculture stated: "I shall produce it to any person outside", and I then say: "Put it on the Table of the House" and the Minister for Agriculture says: "No, I shall not". I want to suggest that that is in breach of the privilege of the House and that as the document is on recored in a Government Department it should either be put on the Table of the House—and that is what I want——

It must be.

——or it should not be shown openly to anybody outside, as the Minister for Agriculture has boasted he intends to do. I am not the least bit ashamed of anything I did as Minister for Finance in the last Government and I welcome that any document would be put on record showing the truth but not the bowdlerised version of the Minister for Agriculture.

It must be put on the Table of the House before it can be published.

I feel I was justified in making the decision I did, notwithstanding the short time at my disposal to consider the matter. The subject matter to which the Deputy refers should have been raised at the time, when the full implication of the matter could be before the Chair. The matter was not raised then. It does not seem personal to Deputy Sweetman and shall not be raised after the matter has been discussed in the debate. I feel I was justified in my decision.

The matter is personal to me because the Minister for Agriculture made a specific charge in respect of the carrying out of my duties as Minister for Finance. Therefore, it is personal.

As a Minister for Finance, it may be a personal matter.

I think the Taoiseach should put the document on the Table of the House so that everybody could read whether the Minister is telling the truth or whether I am telling the truth.

As far as I know, there are no rules governing proceedings in these matters. I think it is desirable that there should be and perhaps sometime we might agree to refer that question to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.

Would the Tánaiste not agree that if any Minister——

We are not going to make the rules as we go along.

If any Minister wants to publish a document, it should first of all be put on the Table so that it can be made public to everybody and not just to a select few.

We cannot discuss that here at the moment.

Maybe the Taoiseach would induce his colleague to put the document on the Table?

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