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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 12 Nov 1959

Vol. 177 No. 8

Committee on Finance. - Vote 52—Aviation and Meteorological Services.

I move:—

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £140,000 be granted to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1960, for Aviation and Meteorological Services including a Grant-in-Aid.

The House is, I think, now fully acquainted with the circumstances leading to the establishment of the Shannon Free Airport Development Company Ltd. and the general nature and object of its activities. The Shannon Free Airport Development Company Limited Bill, which was passed by the House on 5th November, 1959, is to provide the company with share capital of £1½ million for the construction of factory premises. Money for its own administration expenses and for training and other grants to industrial projects at the Airport is to be given by way of non-repayable grants-in-aid voted annually within an aggregate amount of £500,000.

In dealing with grant-in-aid funds, the original intention was that an amount of £50,000 would be made available each year. Experience of the activities of the company before the passing of the Bill, showed that such a fixed arrangement would be unsuitable as the need for grant money in any year would depend on the success attending the efforts to secure the establishment of industries at the Airport. Section 8 of the Bill, therefore, now provides for an overall limit of £500,000 on the amount of grant money and within that limit authority for funds will be requested from the Oireachtas each year as shown to be required by the company.

The company has already received the full grant-in-aid of £50,000 provided in the original Estimate and the purpose of the Supplementary Estimate is to provide the company with an additional sum of £140,000 to meet further unexpected commitments. These commitments relate to four projects which are in an advanced stage of negotiation and which——

Did the Minister say "of negotiation"?

Yes—in an advanced stage of negotiation and which the company hope to bring to completion within the current financial year.

There have been suggestions that the Shannon Airport Development Company is unnecessary on the grounds that the promotion of industries at the Airport could be carried out equally satisfactorily by the Industrial Development Authority and An Foras Tionscal and that there is, in fact, no need for the Shannon company.

There might be some grounds for these fears if the functions of the Shannon company were solely to promote industries at the Airport. It will be recalled, however, that the original Shannon Development Authority was set up expressly for the purposes of:— (i) encouraging transit traffic to use the Airport; (ii) developing tourist attractions at and in the vicinity of the Airport; and (iii) promoting freight traffic at the Airport, including, if necessary, the provision of handling services.

It became clear at an early stage that the development of freight traffic would play an important part in maintaining activity at the Airport and that the promotion of industries at the Airport would be necessary to develop the freight traffic. The Authority, which was subsequently constituted as a limited company to give it status as a legal entity for carrying on business, has, therefore, a diversity of functions apart from industrial promotion, and it would be quite impracticable to try to have these functions exercised through the Industrial Development Authority and/or An Foras Tionscal; in fact it would be impossible without legislation to amend the terms of reference of those bodies.

It will be seen, therefore, that there is no overlapping of functions implied in the establishment of the Shannon company. Furthermore, in the processing of proposals for industries at the Airport, the services of the Industrial Development Authority are utilised in precisely the same way as for any industrial proposal for another part of the country.

I should like to get an explanation from the Minister. He requires an extra £140,000. I gather from what he has said that there are a variety of interests which this development company will cater for, not merely industries themselves but industries the negotiations for which are at an advanced stage. At this point, could we at least have precise information, first of all, as to what industries have already started at Shannon and what employment is being given there or in the neighbouring area?

Could the Minister say with regard to the others which are in an advanced stage of negotiation and which he hopes to have developed before the end of this financial year, what is the employment in the first year, or in later years, that is forecast for them? Could he tell me if he can divide this £140,000 which is now requested in addition as between aid for industrial development and aid for the other matters which the development company is to take on?

The Minister can deal with the points raised by Deputy McGilligan, but, for his information, the information he requires as to the precise activities being undertaken by the Shannon Airport Development Company Ltd. at the present time was given on the introductory stage of the Shannon Free Airport Development Company Limited Bill, 1959, as reported in volume 177, No. 1. Details are given of the four projects under construction for which negotiations have been completed. The present employment content and the envisaged employment content are also given.

There are some matters to which I want to refer with regard to the Shannon Airport Development Company. So far as I can see, one is either entirely for this proposition of the Shannon Airport Development Company or against it. One cannot be lukewarm with regard to that matter. Whether we like it or not, Shannon Airport happens to be fighting for its existence and for its future. There is no point in going into the reasons for that. We know that with the coming of the jet age, certain changes are taking place, and if we were to ignore the trends of modern aviation and their effect on this country, we would, in my humble opinion, be committing a very grievous sin against our industrial workers and, in particular, against the 2,000 people employed in Shannon Airport at the present time. There will be a certain amount of over-flying by jet aircraft. Were we, therefore, to indulge in what one might describe as industrial presumption, namely, a foolish expectation of industrial salvation without taking the proper means to attain it? Whether or not the Minister will appreciate that point, I cannot say.

We were left with that position facing us. The Government, in a very realistic manner indeed, shortly after coming back to office, provided over £1,000,000 for the jet runway which, under the contract, is to be finished next August. In reply to a Question by me yesterday, the Minister indicated that with favourable weather, and so on, it may be finished in time.

Deputy Cosgrave, Deputy Russell and several speakers, notably in newspaper articles and in letters to the papers, tried to suggest that the same facilities obtainable at Shannon Airport should be given to industrialists in the Limerick and Ennis areas. I do not think either of these Deputies wishes to see Shannon Airport close down, with regard, at least, to the industrial zone, but if legislation were ever enacted in this House to give the same facilities to these areas, I am afraid it would be the end of Shannon from the industrial zone point of view.

There is nobody who would prefer to see industries in Limerick city more than I but I am being realistic. If the same facilities were given to Limerick city or to Ennis as are available at Shannon and if the industrialist setting up his factory said: "All right; I will set up my factory in Limerick or in Ennis and fly my products by air freight out of Shannon Airport", what is the answer? In my opinion, it is a question of the cost of freight. You will have double freight charges. At present, the factories at Shannon just load on the finished product and fly it anywhere in the world where there is a market. That is a convincing argument.

I want to refer to another criticism by Deputy Russell in relation to the building of the factories. He cited a case where Foras Tionscal and the Industrial Development Authority gave a loan and a grant to a project and the building was left on their hands. In Shannon, so far, they have leased all the buildings. If it did happen that a company went out of business at Shannon, they would not own the factory. Their lease would end under the terms of their agreement with the Shannon Free Airport Development Company Limited. The building would revert to the company if the people using it ceased the business. I think that is good policy also.

I want to correct a statement which appeared in one of yesterday's newspapers that a Japanese company with Irish principals and substantial Irish capital propose setting up a factory in Shannon. A speech was made by a responsible member of, I think, the Waterford Chamber of Commerce, or some such body. He suggested that, if a curb were not put on the activities of Shannon Airport, cheap raw materials or semi-processed articles would come into the free airport and the result would be to drive a number of Irish business firms off the map. That is not in accordance with the facts.

Shannon Free Airport Development Company Limited—it is a pity the title is not shorter—is not empowered to sell anything on the Irish domestic market. Everything in that industrial zone is for export. The primary object is to encourage air freight. Industrialists in this country, small business people as well as large business people, need not have the slightest fear that at any time they will be in competition with the manufacturers in Shannon. Everything in Shannon Airport will be for the purpose of encouraging air freight business.

The Minister would be well-advised to give the question of freight subsidy every consideration. We know that, in certain respects and in certain cases, air freight is not as economically attractive as transport by ship. There are commodities in which it is competitive. It has the advantage for agricultural produce of getting it to the Continent of Europe quickly but I think there is a case for a subsidy. I do not want the Minister to answer me today because it is very involved. However, in my opinion, there would be a very strong case for a certain subsidy with regard to freight. Concessions are given to airline companies with regard to fuel, and so on. I have in mind a grant or a subsidy (1) to attract industrialists to export by air and (2) to make it competitive with shipping at the present time.

A certain aspect of the mentality of the Irish is that we seem to think everyone in the world is watching us and knows everything that is happening in Ireland and at Shannon. If you pick up 999 industrial or travel magazines out of 1,000 in America you will not see any mention of Ireland. If one of these factories cost £500,000, this company would be well-advised to devote that capital, or an equivalent amount, towards advertising the facilities available. The Minister may say that this matter has been publicised throughout the world through chambers of commerce. We know these individuals. They throw magazines in a reading room. You go in there out of the cold, or if you have nothing better to do. The ordinary go-ahead young businessman quite possibly never comes across these journals. Are they advertising in the right journals? Is there any indication that their advertising campaign will be stepped up?

As far as I can see, everything going well, in the next six years there should be an extra 3,500 persons employed at Shannon. If 3,000 to 3,500 extra people are employed there, this Company will be one of the biggest semi-State undertakings we have, perhaps, after C.I.E. and it should receive every encouragement and co-operation.

The Minister also stressed the desirability of attracting business to Shannon and work hand in hand with Bord Fáilte. We must get away from an insular attitude in this regard. Take the difficulty in relation to hotel accommodation in Ireland. Hotels are about to be erected in Limerick, sites are being purchased in Cork and there are options on sites in Dublin. However, that is all in the future but the Minister will have to be convinced that the modern deal in relation to American tourists is the package deal.

The very high percentage of the travel from America to Europe last year was of the type that your hotel accommodation and the countries to be visited were picked out. I see no reason why this Company, possibly together with Bord Fáilte, could not ensure that we had the hotel accommodation in Ireland, that we owned a hotel in Spain, that we owned a hotel in the South of France and possibly in Italy or Germany. I do not think that is so fantastic. The first few jets will be delivered to Aer Linte next year. It is essential that we have means of conveying travellers wherever they want to go and that we should have the means of accommodating them. However, I do stress that the whole future of the tourist traffic from America, particularly to Europe in the foreseeable future, will involve the package deal and I trust that consideration will be given to the bottleneck which exists as regards the lack of hotel accommodation. Perhaps I am getting away from the question before the House.

This Company set up in Shannon is composed of a body of young men and some old men; it is well worthy of the support of all sections of the community. I know some of them personally and I know that, night and day, they will have the hope and the object of securing the continuation of the prosperity which Shannon enjoys now. They are alive to the grave position with which we shall be confronted in the jet age but with the encouragement they have received from the Government in the past couple of years I have no doubt they will be successful in their endeavours.

Nobody wants to see Shannon Airport closed nor do I believe that Shannon Airport is in immediate danger of being closed or that it will ever be closed. It is far too important to the vital communications of Europe and America and of world transport as a whole for any such contingency to arise. I am personally fully in favour of anything that will assist in maintaining Shannon Airport.

The Minister made quite a comprehensive statement again today but he really reiterated what he said on the Second Reading of this Bill, that to keep Shannon Airport alive we need a special development company, that we need this company for the purpose of seeing that the freight traffic of Shannon Airport is maintained, that we need it for the purpose of tourism and to ensure that industries will be developed in and around Shannon Airport.

Nobody could disagree with that. However, as I stated on the Second Reading, I consider that all the facilities are already available in the State for this purpose. We have Bord Fáilte Éireann whose function it is to develop tourist traffic. There is always the danger in State or quasi-State bodies of overlapping and duplication of their functions. Although I am not very much in favour of State bodies I freely admit a body like Bord Fáilte Éireann is necessary and desirable. But if they are already doing a job, why do they want the Shannon Airport Development Company to assist them in doing it? Deputy O'Malley said you could open 999 journals in America without seeing any reference to Ireland. I cannot challenge that statement because I have never been in America but, if that is the case, it simply means that Bord Fáilte are not doing their job. If we have this development company manned by people who have no real experience in tourist work, the only result will be overlapping and duplication of functions.

With regard to air transport, of course it is necessary to develop freightage from Shannon Airport but is it seriously suggested that by setting up this company and having a new board, you will develop industries at Shannon Airport that cannot be developed with the facilities that already exist? Is it necessary to develop those industries at the airport itself to ensure that the goods will be carried by air to America? Surely air transport deals with materials that are not very heavy, the lighter type of processed or manufactured material, and it is nonsense to suggest that if those industries were established in Ennis, Limerick or anywhere else, it would involve tremendous extra expense to transport them to Shannon Airport in order to fly them to America, or that it would make any difference one way or the other to Shannon Airport.

As regards the setting up of industries, have we not all the facilities necessary for starting industries? I understood the Minister to say he would want amending legislation in relation to Foras Tionscal to set up an industry at Shannon Airport. If that is so there is a justificable argument in favour of this new company but the Minister just mentioned it en passant. He did not go into details on the question of why it was not possible to have this amending legislation. Even if amending legislation were necessary, if you regard it from the economic point of view, is it not much more economical to introduce simple amending legislation to an existing Bill than to introduce a new Bill? I would be the last to wish any harm to Shannon Airport. I am sure the Minister is genuine in his belief that this Bill is necessary, but I think it is surplus legislation and that Shannon Airport will survive quite well with the existing State facilities without any further legislation.

First of all, in connection with the Bill, I have already disposed of the arguments which are being put forward that it is unnecessary to form the Shannon Airport Development Company. I should like to repeat, however, that the object of the company is to make Shannon as well known all over the world as a centre for tourism, as a place where duty-free goods can be bought, as a centre for fishing and as a point from which to start on a journey to see our scenery, as, for example, Florence is. It has a specialised job of making Americans think of Shannon as a vital centre in connection with their transatlantic journey and inducing them to drop down at Shannon and not to overfly it. That we regard as a special publicity job.

So far as Bord Fáilte is concerned, it is my intention to secure such a measure of co-ordination between An Bord Fáilte, the Shannon Airport Development Company, C.I.E. and Aer Lingus that there will be absolutely no overlapping whatever and no waste of time or effort through agencies competing with each other and doing the same job. If, for example, it is possible to arrange the type of package tour recommended by Deputy O'Malley, and with which I agree entirely, then the packaged tours should be known to all those agencies and be devised in such a way that no one is selling competing package tours. For that purpose, a committee is being formed so as to ensure that there will be no overlapping.

I hope Deputy Esmonde will take my word for that. I am absolutely insisting that it would be fantastic to have An Bord Fáilte representatives arriving in New York and arranging for publicity in one form or another, whether on television or by personal contact, or by calling on counter clerks, and the week after to have the Shannon Airport Development Company arrive with a similar team to do exactly the same job. There must be real and true co-ordination and we hope to effect that.

The work, therefore, of the Shannon Airport Development Company will comprise, first of all, its own specific job of dealing with the area around Shannon, with the duty-free shop and with the facilities in the area. Secondly, it will deal with the whole question, in co-ordination with the other agencies, of bringing package tours to Ireland. At the same time, the Shannon Airport Development Company will have the special function, in which it will be exclusively engaged, of making the kind of personal contact suggested by Deputy O'Malley with prospective industrialists. Deputy O'Malley can be assured that the executive and directors of the Shannon company are fully aware of the limited value of advertisements in trade magazines. To get industries to Shannon, there has to be continuous personal contact, either in the form of exhibitions in a particular city or town where the industries are already operating and can be demonstrated in films, or through personal contact with high executives. That is already being done and an expansion of that activity is contemplated.

Deputy McGilligan asked for some particulars of the industries in operation at Shannon at present. At the moment, there is one industry which does not depend on the Estimate with which we are dealing. It is dealing with the production of chinchilla furs for onward sale. There is a second industry which is making coin-operated amusement games and vending machines. Those two industries together employ 30 people.

I did not hear what the Minister said. What was the second description?

Coin-operated amusement games and vending machines. Those two companies employ 30 people at present and one of them does not require any grant under the terms of this Estimate. The second will require a grant. In addition, there are industries in course of erection. There is a factory being erected which will manufacture pianos and piano actions. It will employ 50 to 60 people to begin with and build up to 200 later. There is the firm of W.R. Pink, Ltd., which is not yet in production; the factory is in course of preparation as in the case of the previous firm. It will manufacture machines for marking textile fabrics.

How many will be employed there?

The employment is envisaged as being 25 persons. There is no indication of there being any extension.

Would the Minister go back to the firm producing the chinchilla furs? How many are employed there?

There are just a few people there. Another firm is to manufacture factory cleaning machinery and will employ 30 to 40 people, developing to 80. Yet another firm is to manufacture transistor radios and electronic equipment. It will employ 30 to 40 people, in the first instance. Looking at those figures, as well as the four prospective firms now in course of negotiation, we see that they have an employment content of 145 people increasing to 500 in a few years.

That takes in those under negotiation?

But what about those actually there?

The two actually operating employ 30.

A total of 30.

The whole four?

No, the two in operation employ 30. There are six altogether but one is not subject to this Estimate. The four prospective firms will employ 45, increasing to 500 in a few years.

The suggestion has been made that we should subsidise air freights. I do not think that is practicable under present circumstances and I understand that it would be contrary to the rules of the International Air Transport Association. I should say that air freight under certain circumstances is regarded as being absolutely economic and that is one of the advantages of Shannon Airport as a place for developing industries. If the aeroplane can call at the door of the factory and if there is no extra charge for bringing the goods to the aeroplane, and they can be placed on board by a fork lift truck, and if they are packed the way they can be packed for air transport and are delivered in an area where they can be called for by a lorry, they can frequently make the venture generally remunerative to the company.

I believe that one of the advantages of the Shannon area is, quite apart from the tax incentives which are offered and the grants for industry, that firms will tend to take an interest in Shannon Airport because of the air freight factor. How far that would develop is impossible to say, but having met some of the executives of these industries when I was on a visit there, I can say that they do value it. Deputies will be intrigued to know that articles such as pianos can be satisfactorily exported by air, and that, apart from the other obvious advantages of the Shannon Airport area, the company intending to manufacture these pianos is satisfied that the kind of crating that will be used will be an actual economy to them.

I think I have answered all the points. As I said, this is a very important venture. I am told by the executives of the Airport Company that they have every reason to believe that quite a large number of people will be employed there in the course of the next two or three years, and there are a number of other projects which have not reached what could be described as the final negotiation stage, all of which indicates what I hope will be continuing prosperity for Shannon Airport.

It is around the corner too, like the other things.

Vote put and agreed to.
Supplementary Estimate reported and agreed to.
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