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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 26 Nov 1959

Vol. 178 No. 4

Adjournment Debate—Watermain to Haulbowline.

It is with reluctance that I raise this matter here. I would not raise it were it not for the absolute callous indifference—I cannot describe it any other way—shown by the Minister and his Department as far as the watermain to Haulbowline is concerned. In October, 1958, we had the first difficulty there and I raised the matter in this House on the 7th January, 1959. I received the following reply from the Minister:—

I am aware of the importance of obviating interruptions in the supply of water to Haulbowline Island and as a result of a recent break in the existing main the whole matter is under active consideration. Steps will be taken by my Department in conjunction, as may be deemed appropriate, with other interests involved with a view to ensuring that the supply is maintained.

That was on the 7th January last—I quote from Volume 172, column 15.

From the 7th January until the 19th October the Department of Defence were actively considering something which involved the livelihood of some 600 men who have not got the sheltered position that those gentlemen have.

The Deputy should not refer to officials. The Minister is responsible for the policy of the Department.

I suggest to the Minister that if he did a little pruning and a little clearing out, perhaps he might get a little more consideration shown in his Department. I have no hesitation in saying so. My experience of the Minister's Department has been a very bad one. In the first place, the Department for 16 years was considering whether they would take in apprentices or not.

The Deputy will relate his remarks to the motion before the House.

The position is that the Department, stated on the 17th January that they were aware of the urgency of this matter and that there were 600 people going on to the island every morning for employment—600 men whose livelihood depended on the safety of that watermain. I have no qualms of conscience so far as I am concerned. I went down there and examined the position for myself and I brought to the Minister some rotten bolts which were holding the watermain together. I was assured by the diver who did the job that every bolt in the main was in the same condition. Those bolts were shown to the Minister before last January. He knew the state of affairs since January last. There have been three breaks in that watermain since and it is a regrettable situation to see water having to be towed across to the island in barges in an endeavour to keep those people in employment. That is wrong. In my opinion the Minister is guilty of neglect in not looking after the matter, to say the least of it.

Now, after having it under active consideration from January to October, it has been thrown over to that Caitlín Ní hUallacháin—the Board of Works. I suppose that in another 12 months we shall have to start from scratch and endeavour to scratch them again and get up sufficient steam in them to get the watermain laid. In the meantime, every hour that that watermain is in that condition, there are unfortunate men and their families in fear and trembling for their livelihood. Their livelihood means more to me than this Dáil, or any other place, or any Minister, or any Department. I am prepared to make any allowances that could be made but the Minister and his Department knew the state of affairs as far back as January last and there was nothing to prevent the Minister in January last handing over the matter to the Board of Works. He has thrown it over to them now after the finest summer we ever had, after five or six months during which there would have been no difficulty whatever in laying the watermain across to the island. It has been thrown over to them now to face during the winter.

I have responsibilities to my constituents. I have responsibilities to the people who sent me here and these responsibilities come first with me. I would not stand for any Department, or any Minister, endangering the livelihood of my people in that manner. I do not know how long this new team will be considering the matter now. I had some experience of the Board of Works too.

The Minister has no responsibility for the Board of Works.

No. He has responsibility for throwing the baby over to them after 10 months of "active consideration". I had hoped to have the two questions answered together and that I would have had the two responsible Ministers there. Perhaps next week I will have the opportunity and we can strengthen up the Board of Works end of it. Certainly I consider that the Minister has treated this matter in a callous manner. I consider that his actions are such as I would not expect from a responsible Minister in charge of a responsible Department, particularly the Department of Defence. If the other activities of the Department of Defence are to be on the same line then I think it is time there was a general comb-over in that Department.

A Leas-Cheann Comhairle, as you yourself remarked, I have no responsibility for the Board of Works, and I am also at a loss to know why this matter should be raised on the adjournment. The Deputy got a full reply to the Question which he put down on the Order Paper, and he had another Question on it yesterday, to which he also got a full reply. Therefore, he is aware that this matter is being dealt with as a matter of urgency by the Office of Public Works. It is all very well for the Deputy to say that a decision should be taken, immediately a leak develops, to lay a new watermain, but unfortunately a Minister cannot take that attitude. The question of the cost to public funds, of the time such an operation might take, and other technical matters, have to be examined in the public interest. I and my Department would be failing in our duties if we adopted the irresponsible attitude Deputy Corry would like us to adopt, and immediately on the discovery of a leak, proceeded to lay a new submarine watermain.

The difficulty that developed here was apparently due to some kind of electrolitic action between dissimilar metals used for the bolts and nuts in the cast-iron watermain. The main itself is in perfect condition, but the bolts and nuts have been eaten away, due to this electrolitic action. I think it would be obvious to any reasonable person that the reasonable approach to this matter is to see what alternative alloys and metals can be used to avoid the same thing happening again. I am aware that it would be of no concern to the Deputy if it were necessary to lay a new main every second year, but unfortunately the public finances have to bear the cost. Therefore it is obviously desirable, before embarking on a scheme such as that, that all due investigations should be carried out, and the reasonable approach was adopted of referring the matter to the Institute of Industrial Research and Standards, as the Deputy is well aware, so we could have the benefit of their advice as to what should be done.

I know the Deputy thinks we should not have done that, that we should have gone ahead and laid a new watermain regardless of the cost, but I think we took a wise precaution in seeking their advice. When that was available, the matter was referred to the Office of Public Works and, as he was told today, following some discussion and correspondence with the Office of Public Works, it was finally agreed on 19th October that they should deal, as a matter of urgency, with either the major repair, or replacement of the main, whichever should be found to be the more feasible and reasonable solution.

We are all aware of the fact that there is a major industry situated on the island. It so happens that that industry does purchase some of the Department's surplus water supply. We happen to have a surplus available, but the Department of Defence is not a public authority, and has no inherent responsibility for supplying water to any industry. It just happens it is available and we do supply it, but the industry concerned is one of the interests involved in the question as to whether a new main, or the repair of the existing one, should be undertaken.

That industry is not prepared to adopt the same irresponsible attitude as Deputy Corry. Before considering what contribution they should make to the cost of rectifying the fault, they desired to be informed, first of all, of the costs of the different alternatives available. I think that was a reasonable attitude on their part, and also that they should insist on knowing what the likelihood was of its being a permanent solution, and the cost involved. That is the position at the moment. We are aware that all these bolts are in a very bad condition, and every effort is being made to have the matter rectified at the earliest possible date. The Office of Public Works will now deal with the problem and I have no doubt they are treating it with the urgency it demands.

The Dáil adjourned at 5.15 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Wednesday, 2nd December, 1959.

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