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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 24 Mar 1960

Vol. 180 No. 8

Committee on Finance. - Vote 65—Dundrum Asylum.

I move:

That a Supplementary Sum not exceeding £800 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st March, 1960, for the Expenses of the Maintenance, etc., of Patients in Dundrum Asylum (8 and 9 Vict., C. 107; and No. 19 of 1945).

The need for this Supplementary arises from the granting of improved basic scales of pay to the attendant staff at Dundrum Asylum following negotiations at conciliation level within the scheme of Conciliation and Arbitration for the Civil Service. The revised scales of pay are the same as those for comparable grades within the prison service which were granted following an Arbitrators' award also under the scheme for Conciliation and Arbitration for the Civil Service.

It is calculated that the cost of these increases for the current year will amount to £1,100. There are, however, savings of the order of £200 ordinarily available on the Salary Subhead of the Vote and, in addition, it is possible to take credit for a further saving of £100 on another subhead thus reducing the additional sum required to one of £800.

I might mention that the increases in pay which give rise to this Supplementary Estimate relate only to the basic scales of the attendants in the Asylum. The Supplementary Estimate does not include anything in respect of the general cost-of-living increases granted with effect from the 15th December, 1959, to the Civil Service. The additional expenditure involved in meeting this latter increase in respect of the staffs of the Dundrum Asylum has been included in the general Supplementary Vote for Increases in Remuneration which was passed by the House on the 2nd of this month.

I am rather puzzled by the Minister's reference to the increased cost of living adjustment of September, 1959, inasmuch as the Taoiseach, the Minister for Finance and himself have been loudly proclaiming that there is not any increase in the cost of living. The Minister has revealed the fact that for some reason best known to themselves, they found it wise, on the basis of negotiation, and without going to arbitration, to arrange for a wide scale adjustment of salary scales which does not seem to chime with their claim that the cost of living has not increased. Perhaps the Minister will explain this discrepancy?

There is no discrepancy. The cost of living increases relate to a decision which was arrived at very early last year. The present Supplementary Estimate, and that is the only thing we are entitled to discuss, arises not out of any readjustment of scales in respect of the cost of living——

You said they did.

I did not say that. Perhaps the Deputy did not follow what I did say, which was that the need for the Supplementary Estimate which we are discussing arises out of a revision of the basic rates of pay.

We are improving the scales, not in relation to the cost of living, but in relation to the value of the services rendered. I merely, for the information of the House, mentioned the fact that another Supplementary Estimate had covered the general increase granted to the Civil Service relating to the outside trend of living.

What I wanted was a clarification of what the Minister was saying. I think he told the truth this morning.

Vote put and agreed to.
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