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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 3 Nov 1960

Vol. 184 No. 4

Committee on Finance. - Pensions (Increase) Bill, 1960—Second Stage.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. This Bill provides statutory authority for the increases in civil pensions payable from the Exchequer or other public funds, including the funds of local and harbour authorities, which I announced in the Budget last April. The Bill was introduced in this House on the 28th June, 1960, and under the authority of an Additional Estimate for £127,000 which was passed on the 19th July, payment of pensions increases has already commenced in most cases. This Bill covers civil pensions only; separate legislation is being enacted to cover similar increases in Army Retired Pay, Disability Pensions and Special Allowances and Military Service Pensions.

This year's pensions increases extend to all pensioners who retired before the general pay increases of 1st November, 1955, or whose pensions were calculated in whole or in part on the salaries payable before that date. In some cases, although retirement took place after the 1st November, 1955, pension was calculated on average salary over a period which fell partly before and partly after 1st November, 1955. Special provision has been made in Section 7 of the Bill to allow a proportionate pension increase in such cases. A pension calculated on average salary can accordingly be increased even though retirement took place as late as 1958.

The increases under this Bill, like those granted last year, are weighted in favour of those pensioners who are longest retired and whose pensions are lowest in relation to current levels. Pensions calculated on the salaries in force prior to the general pay increase of 1st November, 1948, are being increased by 7½ per cent. while pensions calculated on the salaries payable during the period between 1st November, 1948, and 1st November, 1955, are being increased by 5 per cent. A proportionate increase is provided under Section 7 of the Bill for pensions calculated on average salary over a period which fell partly before and partly after 1st November, 1948.

As explained in the White Paper circulated with the text of the Bill, in any case where pay increases corresponding to the Civil Service pay increases of 1st November, 1948, and 1st November, 1955, were granted on other dates, eligibility for the 7½ per cent. or the 5 per cent. increase will be determined by the actual date of the pay increase.

The Bill follows generally the lines of the Pensions (Increase) Act, 1959, and its provisions have been explained in detail in the White Paper already circulated. There is, however, one change which I think will appeal to Deputies; the provision restricting pensions increases within the limits of an overriding maximum, which was a feature of previous Bills, does not appear in the present Bill.

The Exchequer pensions which are increasable under Sections 3, 4 and 7 of the Bill are listed in Parts I and II of the Schedule to the Bill. The fixed pensions payable to widows and children which are specified in Part II of the Schedule are increased by 7½ per cent. or 5 per cent. according as the basic rates were fixed before or after 1st November, 1948. Increases in these fixed rates will apply to future grants as well as to pensions currently in course of payment.

Sections 5 and 6 empower local authorities and harbour authorities to grant increases in the pensions payable by them which are specified in Part III and Part IV of the Schedule. The increases will be subject to the approval of the Minister for Local Government or the Minister for Health in the case of local authority pensions and to the approval of the Minister for Transport and Power in the case of harbour authority pensions. The increases allowed will be similar in amount and will be generally subject to the conditions and limitations governing increases in Exchequer pensions.

Under Section 8, increases are payable from 1st August, 1960, or the date of commencement of pension, if later.

Section 10 contains various consequential provisions, in particular, for the application to the pension, as increased, of any statutory provisions as to payment, etc., applicable to the original pension. It also provides that any increase in the Bill shall not be assessed as means for the purpose of an Old Age Pension or a widow's noncontributory pension.

The cost of the Bill to the Exchequer is estimated at £118,000 in a full year, including recoupment of part of the increases payable by local authorities. About 7,620 Exchequer pensioners will benefit under the Bill. Of these, about 3,880 will receive a 7½ per cent increase and about 3,740 a 5 per cent increase. The main categories of pensioners are:

2,089 Civil Service pensioners: estimated cost, £40,300 in a full year; 2,705 national teachers: estimated cost, £37,000; 2,440 Garda pensioners and widows: estimated cost, £24,100; 386 R.I.C. pensioners and miscellaneous: estimated cost, £4,500.

This makes a total of 7,620 pensioners at an estimated cost of £105,900. Recoupments to local authorities are estimated to cost a further £12,100 to bring the total to £118,000. In addition to these Exchequer payments, it is also estimated that local authorities will expend about £15,000 in a full year out of their own funds on pensions increases.

The cost of the Bill in the current year will be about £72,000, and the balance of the £127,000 voted by this House in July last will be required for increases in Army pensions, Retired Pay, Military Service pensions and Special Allowances, which will be covered by separate legislation. Including the increases in these pensions and allowances, the total cost to the Exchequer of the 1960 pensions increases is estimated at approximately £212,000 in a full year.

I recommend this Bill to the House for its approval.

I think there will be general agreement in favour of the proposals but I regret that the Minister has not found it possible to do more for the various categories of State pensioners. Everyone is familiar with the circumstances in which pensioners become entitled to pensions. Pensions are regarded as part of the remuneration earned by State employees whether they are civil servants, Gardaí, Army personnel, teachers or employees of the local authorities and that portion of the pension is deferred pay which is retained for the pensioner on his or her retirement.

While this is so, in almost every case the actual increase in the payment of the pensions has been delayed for a certain length of time after the pensioner retires. This applied particularly in the case of pensioners who have retired for a number of years. The increase proposed in this Bill will, to some extent, compensate those pensioners who retired earlier and is on a graduated basis applying a 7½ per cent. increase in some cases and 5 per cent. in others.

I think it is generally recognised that these increases are not only justified on the basis of the increase in the cost of living which has taken place since pensioners retired but that in actual fact there is a time lag in every case and, as I say, particularly in the case of those pensioners who retired earlier in the payment of an increase. Persons who still serve or who have served up to recently either in the Civil Service, the Army, the Garda or in the services of the local authorities secured the various increases in salaries and wages which were granted on the basis of the rise that had occurred in the cost of living but, in the case of pensioners, the rise took place and the increase in pension was not paid until long after the increase in the cost of living.

It seems, therefore, that there should be some automatic adjustment in the case of pensioners to compensate persons for the increase in the cost of living. I should like to suggest to the Minister that consideration should be given to this question. Some private companies give more or less automatic adjustments in the case of pensions and the Civil Service Arbitration and Concilation machinery provides increases for serving officers. So far as I am aware, the various public bodies have a similar procedure but in the case of retired pensioners the only increases that are granted are those under the various pension increase Acts—the first one, I think, in 1949 or 1950 and another one in 1956 and the Pensions (Increased) Act last year as well as this Bill.

I think it is generally recognised that pensioners are adversely affected in two ways. In the first place their pensions have been calculated on the basis of salary or wages at the date of retirement and if the cost of living rises, as it has invariably risen since the war years, they find that for a period they are existing on a pension fixed on the basis of a lower cost of living, while those who continue in the service of the State or that of the local authorities invariably have an adjustment made quickly and the person who has retired finds he or she has to exist for a period on a pension fixed on the basis of a lower salary or wage. A period of time elapses and then the increases that have been mentioned are granted, so that, in actual fact, these old retired pensioners in most cases have never been fully compensated for the rise in the cost of living because of the time-lag involved.

I feel that the Minister should sympathetically consider the question of having some machinery put into operation which will enable a revision to take place similar to that which applies in the case of existing State servants, either through arbitration and conciliation machinery or the procedure adopted in the case of teachers and of serving personnel in the Army and Garda. As I say, this proposal is welcomed in so far as it provides an increase for pensioners, graduated according to the date of retirement, but there is the point that there is a time-lag that has continued over the years between the date of retirement and the date of increase in pension. I suppose it is true to say that in some cases pensioners have died without receiving any increase.

In almost every case, payment of pension will be for a comparatively short spell. Indeed, I think an estimate has been made of the number of years in each individual case and it works out at something less than ten years. For that reason, I feel there is a very strong case and that, in equity, these retired pensioners are entitled to have pension increases granted in the same way as increases are granted in wages and salaries to serving personnel.

I think the only point raised by Deputy Cosgrave was that he would like to see pensioners fully compensated for the increase in the cost of living. I can understand anyone holding that view but it would be a very difficult and onerous task for any Government to undertake. As a matter of fact, I think I can say that no Government has accepted the principle that pensioners should be fully compensated. Indeed, it is even a novel idea to give these increases because I believe increases to pensioners were unknown until after the last war, so that at least we have done something that was not done before. With the limited amount of funds at our disposal—and this, of course, applies to all Ministers for Finance—we have tried to do better for the more lowly-paid pensioners than for the higher paid pensioners.

There has been a higher percentage given under former Acts to lowly-paid pensioners and, for example, if one takes the case of a civil servant who retired on a fairly low salary back in the 1940's, I think it will be found that the percentage added to his retiring allowance is substantially more than the percentage given to a person with a higher pension. I feel the best we can do at present is to try to keep some sort of relationship, if you like, between the lower pensions and the increased cost of living but I am afraid we cannot fully compensate pensioners. All we can do is to try to lessen their hardship to the greatest extent possible within the limits of our resources.

Question put and agreed to.
Committee Stage ordered for Wednesday, 9th November, 1960.
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