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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 15 Dec 1960

Vol. 185 No. 9

Dairy Produce Marketing Bill, 1960: Report and Final Stages.

Bill received for final consideration.
Question proposed: "That the Bill do now pass."

I do not think the comments of some of the junior Ministers of the Government should be allowed to pass unnoticed. If we are to carry on the business of this House as it ought to be carried on, it involves a certain amount of give and take on both sides. There is certain legislation brought before this House which requires exhaustive discussion.

In my submission it reflects credit on this House when it does exhaustively discuss legislation in detail. It is offensive and impermissible interference on behalf of any single Deputy of the House, or on behalf of any junior Minister or Parliamentary Secretary to refer to this work of the House as the drawing out of the debates, or as wasting time or as filibustering.

Surely this has no relevance to the matter before the House? The contents of the Bill only may be discussed.

There has been a good deal of clarification of the sections of this Bill. That has been contributed to by the model debate which has taken place on the Bill. There are provisions in it to which we seriously object but, on balance, we do not oppose the principle of the Bill and we feel that the experiment is entitled to an early opportunity to prove itself in practice. Therefore we are prepared to give the Government all Stages now.

I think it only right to mention that, in the last analysis, discourtesy and refusal to furnish reasonable information by the Government Front Bench can be controlled by the Opposition only by repeated recourse to the Lobbies and a strict adherence to the Standing Orders of the House. That is a device to which I, Deputy Corish and other responsible members of the House will not lightly have recourse. However, if the obligation is thrown on us it is our duty to have recourse to it and have recourse to it we shall when it becomes necessary. It is our duty and obligation to do so.

We want Parliament to work well and efficiently but that involves the Government in the tedium of supplying to the Opposition all the information to which they are entitled, and which it is our duty to seek. When we are in their position we shall discharge that duty as we have done on previous occasions. I hope that when we become the Government we shall generously provide the Opposition with what they need and when that day comes I would expect the Opposition to ask us to do that. We shall insist on our rights and use every device available to us under the Standing Orders of the House to make sure that we get them.

When this Bill is passed do I understand that the board will have power to levy one-third on milk and milk products but that it is only optional on the Government to contribute two-thirds? Will the Minister give an assurance to the House now that the Government will actually contribute two-thirds of the money?

I shall give you every assurance as far as the provisions of the Bill are concerned.

Under the Bill it is optional on the Government to give two-thirds but it is compulsory on the producer to give one-third. I think it should be compulsory on the Exchequer to give two-thirds just as it is compulsory on the producer to give one-third.

I give an assurance that the terms of the Bill will be implemented as far as the Government are concerned.

I do not want to speak now, but we all realise the importance this measure may have for the country. I wonder will the outcome of the Bill be such as we hope for, that its provisions will operate to secure markets in foreign countries for our milk and milk products? Will this board adopt the attitude of concentrating on its own powers in the internal market here to the detriment of the foreign markets? Will the Minister say that the Board's officers will co-operate with our Embassies in foreign countries in this matter? They have been working towards securing markets in the countries in which they are stationed. I believe that the officers of this board and the board themselves, if they can concentrate in the widest sense on co-operation with our Embassies, may do a little better in securing these foreign markets, if it is not too late already to secure them. If the Board concentrates on entering into markets that should be left for other people, I am afraid that the time given to this discussion will not give the results for which we all would hope.

Question put and agreed to.
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