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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 12 Apr 1962

Vol. 194 No. 12

Committee on Finance. - Resolution No. 7—General (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:—
That it is expedient to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance—(Minister for Finance.)

(South Tipperary): Our entry into the Common Market has been mentioned by several speakers. I am at issue with the Government as regards their policy procedure. When the Taoiseach went to Brussels last January, in his speech there, as reported back here, he laid particular emphasis on the special protective measures he would like to see extended to Irish industrialisation, in view of the fact that we were an undeveloped community. He stressed three particular points. He asked, first, that the application of Article 226 to certain industries should be considered. This amounts, in effect, to a special exemption of special industries or areas in certain circumstances. He asked also that the appropriate general treatment in the reduction of tariffs should obtain. He asked, thirdly, that adequate safeguards should be provided against the dumping of industrial products here, in so far as we were very vulnerable to that development by virtue of the smallness of our industrial concerns.

All that is all right. At the same time, however, he went on to say that no special arrangements would be sought as regards agriculture. It seems to me by that approach he is asking agriculture to do what it has been doing here since 1932: to carry industry on its back again. There is there throughout that approach the same psychology which has actuated Fianna Fáil policy down through the years as regards agriculture: sink or swim into the stream, and the devil take the hindmost; but industrialisation must be feather-bedded and petted and secured all along the line.

I and every Irishman should like to see our industrialisation protected for as long as possible. The removal of all tariff walls and barriers should be so graded as to upset our economy to a minimum. All those employed in our industries here and all those who have put money into them should not have their circumstances in any way damaged. At the same time, we should not assume that our agriculture, insufficiently capitalised as it is, is sufficiently strong that we can say to the Common Market people: "We do not want any protection for agriculture; it is fine. It will jump every fence, but give us all the protection you can for our industry." That is unfair to the rural community, to the average farmer, farm labourer and that part of our population making their living directly or indirectly through agriculture. If that is to be the Taoiseach's line of approach, I would ask him to reconsider it. I would ask the Government to reconsider it, because I think it is grossly unfair.

I also believe the Government have been rather dilatory in the entire matter our approach to the EEC. Not so long ago, Denmark negotiated very fancy terms into the British market. What were we doing while she was doing that behind our back? We were fighting an election over P.R. In the last few years, Greece, an undeveloped country, has been negotiating with the Common Market and, as an associate member, has secured for herself quite fancy conditions. I understand we applied for membership some time last May or June. Yet I find that this industrial organisation group which reported yesterday or the day before was not set up until quite recently. It must have been obvious to the Government for a long time that there was an economic wind of change in the European situation. It is a considerable time since Mr. Dillon from the United States came over here, and that, I presume, was the forerunner of the political pressure which culminated in Britain abandoning membership of the Outer Seven and ultimately deciding wholeheartedly to go into the Common Market.

We have been taking too much for granted. I am only the ordinary man-in-the-street who reads the newspaper and to whom there is no special information available, but I presume a Government with their various embassies abroad should know something more than I know and should be able to anticipate these problems in time to meet them. This advisory body has now recommended a 20 per cent, building tax incentive, a 40 per cent, plant tax incentive and the upgrading of loans over a period of five years.

What effort has been made as regards agriculture? The Taoiseach, with some heat, adverted yesterday to some remarks made at an interview given by the President of the National Farmers' Association, that the Budget did not give to agriculture the dynamic aid it appeared to give to industry. I do not see why the Taoiseach should have got so hot under the collar about it. All he has been able to state is that he had set up survey teams, survey teams set up nearly 12 months after we made our application to enter the Common Market, a market which is effecting tariff removals at an accelerating rate. Is it not a fact that next July all the tariff barriers will be down by 50 per cent. as between themselves? Britain, I understand, is prepared to go in at that level, full blast. Future reductions are also being speeded up and that is the accelerating bus on which we are going to jump. I hope we do not break our necks.

This is a serious matter for us because it may mean over some period the disemployment of perhaps 80,000, 90,000 or 100,000 people throughout the country. Apart from the setting up of these commissions I see no practical suggestion coming from the Taoiseach on this very vital matter. We have listened to him for years issuing warnings to manufacturers that they must become more competitive, that the feather-bed conditions under which they were working would not last for ever. However, I know of no instance where he ever even attempted to carry these threats any further than threats.

I am told that some years back when Australia was introducing industrialisation she gave the majority of her industries a certain period in which they were to make good. They had to answer to their Government if they were unduly non-competitive after a certain, reasonable period. Our tariffs, quota restrictions and subsidies remain as high as ever and we are making provision in this Budget for a customs income alone of £45,000,000 and an income tax income, including corporation profits tax, of £38,000,000.

Is it not obvious that there will be tremendous economic difficulties here in trying to clear that hurdle? Surely the time has arrived for the Taoiseach to say to the industrialists of this country: "We cannot wait to reduce our tariffs until we are asked by the Common Market to do so. We must reduce them now." If our application is to receive favourable consideration would a reduction on those lines not alone be economically prudent but also have a good effect on the negotiations which take place in the future? The £45,000,000 which we get from customs will gradually peter out, over what period I cannot say; nobody knows; that will depend on negotiations. The £38,000,000 which we get from income tax will, I believe, be considerably reduced because of the policy of harmonisation of taxation structures. The emphasis will be, as it exists in the Common Market and in most European countries, on indirect and not on direct taxation. To bring our taxation structure into line with that of the Common Market countries in which the free movement of men, money and materials obtains, we must be prepared to accept substantial reductions in our income both from customs and income tax. That is why I would exhort the Minister to address himself to these two important factors, which are the most difficult of the fiscal problems we must meet.

The increased taxes in this Budget are clearly set out in the Financial Statement by the Minister but there has grown up in recent years the practice of placing extra-budgetary charges upon the community. I do not know whether it is done purposely or otherwise but one naturally becomes suspicious that it is being done as a matter of expediency. In this little country bus fares and train fares have increased in the past 12 months. We have had E.S.B. charges increased. Whatever justification there may be for these increased E.S.B. charges, the fact is that they have happened.

I remember seeing a long explanatory memorandum relating to the increased E.S.B. charges about a year ago and I was quite amazed. This memorandum did not come from the E.S.B.; it came from the Fianna Fáil headquarters. Under the heading was written in brackets the words: "The Republican Party." I thought we had got beyond that but it is still in existence. I was amazed that the Fianna Fáil headquarters found it necessary to issue a memorandum defending the increased charges of the E.S.B. I am quite sure the E.S.B. are able to defend themselves.

Our stamp and telephone charges have been increased and it is true to say that motoring here, an important commercial aspect, is the most expensive in Europe. In the past 12 months, we have had a 30 per cent. increase in insurance charges, 20 per cent. first and 10 per cent. at the second go. When I asked the Minister for Industry and Commerce in this House would he consider setting up some kind of an arbitration group to examine the matter, he blandly told me that he was satisfied that the increased charges were just and equitable. The same Minister, in an explanation published on the matter, made the same statement but issued a warning that if they did it again, he would regard them as very bold boys.

I understand that even in the purchase of cars, and I am open to correction on this, there is a measure of retention of the special levies in operation. In the commercial aspect of motoring in general, we are all aware of the restrictive and monopolistic attitudes of the E.S.B. We know that the taxes which we pay in the local county council offices do not compare favourably with similar charges elsewhere and I am sure we are not behind time in excise taxation on our petrol. On top of all that, the average motorist is expected to pay increased charges in view of rising costs of everything for repairs, services and renewals.

An increase has been given in the contributory insurance section and there has also been an advance in the disability allowance and the infectious disease allowance but let us not forget that in these particular items, a 50 per cent. contribution will have to be put up by the rates. Here again we have increased costings and again the public in general will have to pay for these added contributions to the Social Welfare fund by increased contributions from employers and employees.

Listening to the Taoiseach and the Minister for Finance, one would imagine that this country has never had it so good. There are many yardsticks by which one may measure the economic strength and prosperity of a people. I think personal savings are a yardstick one may use. I shall be told immediately that personal savings have advanced slightly in the current year but the Taoiseach has admitted that our personal savings are amongst the lowest in Europe. I do not care what kind of statistics you put up, to the average man, and to all of us, the measure of prosperity is the few pounds or few shillings we are able to put aside at the end of the week, the month or the year.

The Irish people in general do not live in a very extravagant fashion. Only a small percentage of the people are habitués of the race course and the dog track. Yet it is a fact that the average savings of the average person in this country are abyssmally low.

Deputy O'Donnell felt that the Government could have done better. He adverted to the three important sources of income which they had—the £9,000,000 as a result of the abolition of food subsidies, the £18,000,000 from what he described as the "raffles", and the £4,000,000 from the special levies. These were substantial windfalls. I have already mentioned the substantial windfalls from emigrants' remittances and the money brought into the country by tourist emigrants.

There is a statement in the Minister's Budget speech in relation to the Common Market:

.... the Community, while protecting itself from outside fluctuations, cannot close its frontiers with the rest of the world if its external trade is to be maintained...

The Minister, speaking of a Community of 200,000,000 people, adverts, by implication, to the importance of external trade. Is it not extraordinary to find the Minister in 1962 so conscious of the importance of external trade for a Community so large and so potentially self-sufficient when, in 1932, the same Minister was pursuing a policy of splendid isolation for this country? For many years, Lord Beaverbrook and his Press preached in Britain the policy of splendid isolation. Mark you, Britain, with all its economic resources and its vast empire, never fell for the doctrine of economic self-sufficiency. But certain people in this country 30 years ago subscribed to this doctrine.

The policy pursued by Cumann na nGaedheal was the old traditional policy of agriculture first, industrialisation to take place pari passu with that, and each industry compelled to fulfil certain criteria; it would be screened, examined, its labour content assessed, whether it was using native raw material, whether there was a home market for its product. It was on that basis that the E.S.B. and the Sugar Company were set up. In 1932 there was a complete reversal of that policy. An economic wall was built around the country. We were told we could ourselves produce anything from a needle to an anchor. All we had to do was approach a Government Department and get a list of the various imports and then set about making this, that, and the other.

The consequence of that policy was that little industries were set up here and there throughout the country. Economically now these cannot survive. There was a book by Professor Johnson then called "The Nemesis of Economic Nationalism". It is still available. It could profitably be read today. Fortunately, economists do not always subscribe to political concepts. We have now come full circle and are abandoning the policy of 1932, a policy upon which this country should never have embarked, a foolish policy of attempting to make the country economically self-sufficient. In the economic sphere, as indeed in the political sphere, we are now going into a complete reversal of the policy we have been pursuing for the past 30 years.

I am sorry for the Taoiseach. I am sorry for any man who has built up an economic structure—I do not deny the Taoiseach is a man who works hard—and then finds the temple he has built collapsing around him like a house of cards. I am sorry for him, but I am much more sorry for the Irish people whom that gigantic foolish industrial experiment cost so many millions of pounds. At one period in the United States of America they tried to introduce prohibition. That was a costly experiment, and ultimately proved to be a foolish experiment. Vis-á-vis our small economic resources the economic experiment we have tried has been far more foolish and far more costly. Now we are hoist with our own petard. Now the nemesis of economic nationalism is catching up on us.

It is unfair—I think it is unwise— to place the undue emphasis that the Government place on our expanding economic position. I am happy for any small advances that may have been made in the last year, or two; but that is not the long-term view. While one refrains from damning confidence, it is nevertheless one's duty to recognise how fragile our economic structure is. The Taoiseach has admitted that we are more dependent than any country in Europe upon exports; we live by our exports, and we are exporting to a market which is virtually a world dump. So far, we have only the one market.

I have already mentioned that our personal savings are the lowest in Europe. Our emigration rate, in proportion to our population, is at least the highest in Europe. If you add our emigrants year by year to the number of unemployed people here, our unemployment figure I believe would be the highest in the world. Under the guise of tourist income, we have become partially a nation of remittance men, balancing our Budget upon the money sent from our poor Irish emigrants whom we affect not to know, once they leave our shores, despite the fact that we have one of the largest emigrant rates in Europe.

I see nothing in the Minister's Budget: I see no new ground broken to suggest that there is the slightest attempt to give any help, any guidance, any follow-through, to the poor people of our community who, by economic circumstances, have to land in Liverpool, London and Coventry, perhaps without a friend to meet them. I am sure there is not one worthwhile individual in this country who would begrudge the reasonable amount of money necessary to establish a liaison service in the bigger cities in Britain between the Department of External Affairs and the various voluntary agents who are trying to help the more defenceless members of our community who have to emigrate there.

I mentioned our declining population within the period of the last two Budgets vis-à-vis the population rising by 51,000 in Northern Ireland. Our output per capita here—and this is not the fault of the workers—must be one of the lowest in Europe. It is considerably lower than in Northern Ireland. Our income per capita is in a similar position. Our taxation per head, taken in co-relation with the social and national service provided, is one of the highest in Europe.

I shall conclude by repeating what Deputy Norton has already mentioned, namely, that we are the only dying white race in the world.

While everybody is glad that it has been found possible in this Budget to grant relief to some of the more needy sections of the community, there is, I think, a general feeling of disappointment at the unimaginative approach to the country's major problem. At a time like this, when we are poised on the brink of great economic and social changes, there is nothing in this Budget which will generate that dynamism and national effort which is so necessary if we are successfully to reach the new economic frontiers which are before us in Europe.

This £163 millions Budget has been called a marking time Budget, a clever one at that. I am inclined to agree with that verdict. I am also inclined to think that the present occasion is anything but an appropriate occasion for marking time, while it is much less an occasion for cleverness.

As the Minister reminded us in his Budget statement, this may be the last Budget introduced in Dáil Éireann without prior approval from Brussels. He rightly stressed that that fact is of tremendous significance. This quite possibly and quite likely may be the last Budget in the framing of which we can exercise all the powers of an independent, self-governing community. Assuming that the outcome of the EEC application is favourable, we shall have to surrender some of our economic power in future, as part of that surrendering of sovereignty which the Minister for External Affairs has described as the price we must pay for whatever benefits EEC membership may bring.

This, then is an historical and vital Budget, a Budget comparable in historical importance with the first Budget introduced in Dáil Éireann 40 years ago. It is a last opportunity to do something great and inspiring. It is not an occasion for marking time in the manner of a tired, cautious old man. It is a time for a statesmanlike use of budgetary power. Part of his statement did in fact show that the Minister recognised that all-important fact but when it comes to brasstacks, to details of policy changes, it is clear that the Government are watching and waiting and doing precious little.

The few changes, while welcome in some respects, amount to nothing more than clever Budget juggling. First of all, I want to draw attention to some of the defects in this Budget. I want to view those defects in the light of the fact that we are on the threshold of a new era in Irish history, an era which will mean more to me and to my generation than it will mean to most of the people in this House. It is fitting that we should take a long-term view of this matter but, before referring to the various effects of the Budget, I should first like to draw attention to what seems to be a misleading, although clever, feature of this Budget. It manages to survey the whole field of public administration and it makes no reference to the success or otherwise of the drive to keep administrative expenses down to a minimum. We are told that higher labour costs have added around £6,000,000 to the cost of administration but we find no reference to any effort to offset those increases by economy.

The Taoiseach may claim, as he did last night, that Departmental officials are always on the alert to secure economy but the fact that the Budget statement, which in previous years dealt with this subject, omitted any reference to it on this occasion, renders the Taoiseach's claim unconvincing. "Wage increases are to be absorbed by means of higher prices." This is in sharp contrast to what the Government are telling private employers, manufacturers and farmers. Speaking at the Federated Union of Employers' annual dinner the Taoiseach went so far as to welcome the pressures which are now operating on management because of high labour costs because they force them to overhaul their working methods, to minimise and, if possible, eliminate their effects on prices.

Have efficiency experts been called in to advise on the working methods or to overhaul the working methods in public administration at all levels? Are the Government not just handing on increased costs to the taxpayer without any attempt at eliminating the effects of higher wages on public expenditure? The promises made in 1957 of huge economies in administration certainly now seem very empty. Not alone is the Minister unable to report economies but he seems to prefer not to mention the subject.

There is another matter which the Budget statement does not discuss and that is finance for education. I realise that this is not the appropriate occasion to deal with that subject. I hope to have more to say on it when we come to discuss the Estimate for the Department of Education.

I should like to mention one thing. We read in the newspapers yesterday that an estate has been purchased outside Dublin, at Celbridge, to which it is intended to transfer the Faculty of Agriculture at U.C.D., from the Albert College. The question of higher education is at the moment sub judice while the Commission is sitting, but I understand submissions have been made to that Commission that have been favourably and sympathetically received dealing with the desirability of having the Faculty of Agriculture sited in the country where the Faculty members would be in touch with everyday problems. I have very definite knowledge of this because Limerick was one of the places considered suitable for a Faculty of Agriculture. The announcement made in the past 24 hours that U.C.D. had purchased this estate seems to me to be making a mockery of the Commission on Higher Education and I should like to have some statement or some information on the subject.

I do not want to approach this debate, especially as it is the first occasion on which I have had the honour of contributing to a Budget debate, with a completely destructive type of attitude. I welcome the reliefs that have been given but I do so with certain reservations.

Why did you vote against it?

The Deputy is entitled to speak without interruption.

We must ask him some questions.

Because of the reservations.

I suggest Deputies on the opposite side will have an opportunity to speak for themselves.

Deputy O'Donnell is well able to answer for himself.

Because of the old age pensioners, for one reason.

I do not wish to approach this in an entirely destructive manner. I welcome the reliefs that have been given but with certain reservations——

But you would not vote money for them all the same.

Because you could get it out of dances.

Yes. Keep on the dance entertainment tax and you have £1 million this year.

Not at all.

That is what the Budget statement says.

You did not get much out of dances.

£450,000 on that remission as from October—£1 million in a year.

I am afraid I have not sufficient experience of debating in this House to be able to continue with interruptions. I have certain reservations. First, the increase of 2/6d. in the old age pensions is very small. I think we are all agreed on that. I had hoped that it might have been possible to give at least 5/-. The Minister for Justice may scoff at that but I say it in all sincerity——

But you would not even vote them the halfcrown.

If the Minister would go to his constituency and see the plight in which many old age pensioners are——

At least I voted for the halfcrown. You voted against it.

We did not. Bring in 5/- and see who will vote for it.

I think that 2/6d. is a very small effort on the part of the Government.

It is when we move down the country and look at the provinces and notice the reliefs which have been given in this Budget to the farming community that we find ourselves with plenty of reservations. First of all, I should like to say that I am happy that what I said when speaking in the debate on the Vote on Account about the marching farmers was noted by the Government. However, the reliefs given in the rates are of benefit only to the bigger farmers. The reduction in the tractor tax will relieve the big farmers only. If my memory serves me correctly, Deputy Dillon mentioned that the rate reliefs would benefit 34,000 farmers—the bigger farmers. While admitting that the rates of these farmers can be fairly considerable, the relief is practically negligible in so far as the small farmer is concerned.

I come from a constituency where dairy farming is predominant and during the past two weekends, I have been touring about the constituency, speaking to farmers, and I have found there was general expectation that, first of all, they would get an increase in the price of milk and that secondly, there would be a calf subsidy. A deputation from the Irish Creamery Milk Suppliers Association was received by the Taoiseach recently and according to the newspapers, their claim for an increase in price was sympathetically heard. But we find no increase in this Budget.

On the question of the calf subsidy, I favoured it very much for two reasons. One is that in the dairying counties, particularly in the creamery areas, we are faced with a very big problem in the matter of the eradication of bovine tuberculosis. In Limerick, where we have a T.B. incidence of practically 50 per cent. and where the scheme seems to have failed completely in the matter of expediting the eradication of tuberculosis, we were looking to a calf subsidy as an alternative method—a subsidy on heifer calves which would encourage dairy farmers to raise their own replacements. The difficulty which arose in respect to the headage grant was that the farmer who would sell off the reactor cows very often did not replace them. I was therefore hoping we would be able to start from the other end by means of a calf subsidy.

The second aspect of such a subsidy which was attractive to me was that it seems to be likely that now there is a good future for the production of baby beef and I was hoping that a calf subsidy would encourage farmers to rear their calves and to secure a part of this allegedly growing baby beef market.

As I say, as far as the dairy farmer in my constituency is concerned, I think this Budget is on the lines described by a spokesman of the Irish Creamery Milk Suppliers Association who said yesterday that for the dairy farmers, this Budget was contemptuously insulting. This £2.5 million allowance is very poor compensation for the dropping of the fat cattle guaranteed payments which brought in around £6,000,000 to farmers during the past financial year. This year, farmers are facing the prospect of much more uncertain beef prices and the overall loss to those in the cattle trade is most likely to be very much more than the farmers will get in this £2.5 million allowance.

Then the Budget Statement makes no reference to Government policy on losses incurred by the Bacon and Butter Marketing Boards. Those losses cost the Exchequer around £7 million last year. This year, less than £3 million is allocated for them. From the figures available, we are all aware that there is an increase in milk and pig production, but export prices are not likely to be any better during the coming year than they were last year, so that we can expect heavy export losses. How are they to be met? Are they to be covered by a Supplementary Estimate later in the year? The Budget Statement does not seem to indicate that they are. Or are we to have an extra levy at the producer end?

I admit that it is very difficult to discuss this Budget with any degree of precision until we know what the terms of our entry into the Common Market are. There is a lot we can do to prepare ourselves. The recent report of the Committee on Industrial Organisation, the main recommendations of which are being implemented in this Budget, was that some progress is being made in assessing the extent of the industrial readjustment problem. It is a pity that similar progress has not been made in assessing the readjustment necessary in the agricultural sector. I was glad, however, to see in this morning's newspapers a statement by the Taoiseach that a report of an examination into the economy of the small-scale farming which had been going on for some time is about to be published. From what the Taoiseach said, there seems to be an indication that we are about to tackle the problem in a more determined way. While, as I say, progress has been made in assessing the readjustments necessary in the industrial sector, the same cannot be said about agriculture. The whole picture for agriculture seems very bleak.

The Budget Statement summing up of the situation puts it very neatly but, at the same time, leaves it rather obscure. The Minister said:

For agriculture, there is the prospect of a market protected from outside fluctuations in which stable prices, eventually to be aligned, will rule. These are very considerable advantages which could aid the development of our agriculture. There are, however, limiting factors which it would be short-sighted to ignore.

It seems to me that, with all the talk of the Common Market being the answer to all our problems, and particularly to the farmers' problems, there is some change of opinion, or some doubt, and the prospect held out for us seems to have been a good bit away from reality. In my constituency, I have heard Government spokesmen telling the dairy farmers of Limerick that we would get 2/9d. a gallon for milk in the Common Market, but from the Budget Statement, the farming community cannot hope for better prices. We shall have fixed prices; we shall have stable prices and stable markets in return for lower profits. Does this indicate large-scale farming?

As I said at the outset, this Budget is unimaginative and uninspiring. I am particularly concerned about the future of the small farmers, and from what I have seen in the Budget Statement about the prospects for agriculture in the Common Market, I am greatly afraid there is not much future for small-scale farming, and that we shall have a stepping up of the flight from the land. The manner in which the agricultural grant relief has been given seems to suggest that the Minister agrees with that line of thinking as it does not help the small farmer.

We are awaiting publication of the report on the profitability of small-scale farming to which the Taoiseach referred yesterday. There is one bright spot on the horizon in this Budget, that is, the allocation of another halfmillion pounds for the development of the accelerated freeze drying work, the AFD as it is known for short, a process which was introduced by the Irish Sugar Company. The allocation of an extra half million pounds for the extension and development of AFD work, a food freezing process, is very desirable. I am sure we shall get an opportunity of discussing this matter in greater detail when the Bill dealing with it comes before the House.

There is quite a lot one could say about the unsatisfactory state of affairs in regard to the preparation of the agricultural sector for entry into the European Common Market. There is one aspect which must not be overlooked, that is, the psychological aspect. We all know that the environment in the rural areas, the mode of life, the traditions, and the fact that the people are slow to make changes, make it very difficult for the small farmers in the rural areas to change their way of life. In view of the great changes which are about to take place, there is urgent need for studies in social psychology to help those in the rural areas to readjust their lives. A certain amount of work has been done in this direction through community development efforts and studies. Muintir na Tíre and, to a lesser extent, Macra na Feirme and Macra na Tuaithe, have done invaluable work in this field, but they have only touched on the fringe of the problem becauses they are unable to finance adequate research. I hope the Government will assist these rural organisations in their very important work in the field of social studies.

In this matter, we are late in the field. We are very backward in this matter compared with other countries. If this question of the psychological attitude of the people and their unwillingness to change or accept changes had been tackled long ago, our people in the rural areas would not now be as unprepared psychologically as they are, that is, not prepared for the vast changes which are about to take place. However, we can still do quite a lot.

There is one matter in regard to community development and social psychology which I should like to mention. Next June, an international seminar on community development will take place for the first time in this country. It has been sponsored by Muintir na Tíre. It will provide us with an opportunity to see what social psychology can give us. It is to be hoped that the Government will take notice and, more important still, take action.

There are just one or two other items from the Budget Statement to which I should like to refer. The first is the question of savings. I was glad to note in the Budget Statement that there was an increase in the amount of savings—something like £750,000—but I was glad to note that the Savings Committee are to intensify their campaign during the coming year. Quite a lot could be done through the medium of the schools and with the help of the teachers to inculcate in the minds of our young people the need for and the desirability of saving.

There is another matter which I note from the Budget Statement of the Minister. Prize Bonds seem to have remained at the same level as the previous year, but I think it might be no harm to explore the possibility of reducing the price of the bonds from £5 to a lower figure. I had suggestions to that effect. From the various discussions I had, I would say that a figure of £2 could lead to an increase in the amount of money invested in Prize Bonds.

There is also another method of saving in which I am interested, that is, the system of unit trusts which would seem to be very successful in Great Britain. The figures I got show that there is something like £46,000,000 invested in these unit trusts. One of the attractive features about the unit trust is that it gives the ordinary man in the street a chance to invest. To the average person, the ordinary worker, the stock exchange is a gambling paradise for the rich. This matter of the unit trust should be investigated.

In conclusion, I feel that I should refer to the need for overall economic planning. Judging from the attention given to the French economic experts during their recent visits to Dublin, the Government are considering adopting something along the lines of the French economic system. I think this is a matter of very great importance. I am a little disappointed that the Budget statement did not refer to it.

These, then, are my humble views on the Budget. I tried to show that, considering the serious problems facing the country, there is far too much inaction reflected in this Budget. I hope that we can look forward in the future to a more dynamic approach to our economic and social problems. The Budget is to me, looking at it against the background of my particular constituency, a grave disappointment. As I say, I only reiterate what the spokesman of the Irish Creamery Milk Suppliers Association called it yesterday—contemptuously insulting.

The Budget can be summed up very well by quoting the opening statement of a leading article in yesterday's paper. It says:

A modern Budget is much more than an exercise in State housekeeping. It is a major instrument of economic and social policy, which must be used to apply the brake or the accelerator to the economic machine as occasion demands. Thus, in addition to collecting money for the various State services, the Minister for Finance has to consider the underlying conditions of the economy and the social aspects of his policies in devising his financial plan. Yesterday's Budget appears to have struck a fair balance between all these fundamental considerations.

Would the Deputy give the reference?

I am quoting from the leading article in the Irish Independent of 11th April, 1962, page 12. When the Minister for Finance had to look into how much money he would require, his estimate was £16,000,000 higher than last year. It would have taken an awful lot of taxes to bridge that gap. If it had not been for good planning over the past six years by balancing his Budgets and by economic development, there would be no hope of bridging that gap.

In actual fact, when he sat down to prepare his Budget, industry and tourism had developed so well over the past year that he found he had a surplus on hand, instead of a deficiency of £16,000,000. Had it not been for that farsighted policy and planning which was developed in 1958, he would certainly be in a sorry plight today. I hate to think of the Budget he would have to bring in. Not alone would he not have been able to give relief to the farmers and to the old age pensioners, but he would have used up all his taxes to bridge the deficiency. As a result of good planning and good housekeeping, he has been able to do all this. As well, in the past year the subsidy on cattle called for £3,000,000 more than was anticipated this time last year.

How much this year? Nothing.

It was only a temporary measure and it went out of hand with the fall of the English market last year, owing to the dumping of Yugoslavian meat on the Smithfield market. Even with that he was able to stand up to it and have a surplus for the coming year. That was as a result of good policy. Anything that is well planned will always be able to cope with the unexpected. When he found he had this surplus he gave money to the poorer sections of our community and the people who have not been having it so well.

Like the poor dancehall proprietors.

He gave 2/6d. to the old age pensioners and to the other pensioners.

And £10 to the judges.

And £1 million to the proprietors of the cinemas.

Fianna Fáil have always given something to the pensioners over the last four years. The Minister has passed on £2,500,000 to the farmers. When dealing with the plight of the farmers he had to think what was the best way to reach every farmer. There was a suggestion about giving a subsidy on calves or a higher price for milk or other products, but that would benefit only sections of the farming community. He had to find a way to help every section of the farming community. He has brought in a scheme whereby the relief on the first £20 valuation is increased from 60 per cent. to 70 per cent. and over £20 by 25 per cent. This will be accepted by the farmers as a fair and just way of helping everyone. No farmer can say he did not get some help in the Budget. If pressure had been put on him there would always be some section saying they had been left out but everybody gets a rebate on land and it is what the farmers asked for. They had been asking the local councils not to increase the rates. Now with one sweep the Minister for Finance has brought the rates back to the level of the 1956-57 period. That is an exceptional concession. He would not have been able to do it were it not for the economic expansion that has taken place over the past few years.

The policy over the past 30 years has been to build up industry and to encourage the tourist industry. Were it not for industries I do not know what the Minister would have done on Tuesday. Where would he have got the money from? The farmers' incomes have been falling for the past few years. I am always surprised at people denouncing the help given to industry. After all, the more jobs you can create the more people the farmers have to feed and there is a ready market on your own doorstep without having to sell abroad. Everybody takes holidays now and Ireland is an ideal place in which to spend them. The money that tourists spend helps the farmers. Tourists have to eat. In addition, some of them smoke and in that way they help to balance the Budget.

I was very pleased that the Minister thought of the old age pensioners in regard to smoking. Most of the older people smoke pipes and the Minister did not increase the taxation on the hard pressed tobacco which they usually smoke. He also had to keep in mind our proposed entry into the Common Market. It is difficult to budget when one has to keep an eye on the future in which we do not know what the consequences of our entry into the Common Market will be. We have a good idea that it will be of great benefit to us. The Minister also had to keep in mind our people at home and do the best he could for them. He provided help for industry. People here are complaining that quite a number of industries will suffer through our membership of the Common Market. I have never heard of any industrial organisation complaining about our entering the Common Market or that they are not getting sufficient help to enable them to go into the Common Market. They realise that with a bigger market there is a challenge and they are prepared to meet it. I can safely say that we should not be worried in that respect. I was glad to see from the Minister's statement that emigration had fallen to its lowest level for some years.

The Deputy will get a shock when he reads the Registrar General's Report.

That speaks well of our economic development.

Progress reported; Committee to sit again.
The Dáil adjourned at 5 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Wednesday, 2nd May, 1962.
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