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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 6 Dec 1962

Vol. 198 No. 6

Hotel Proprietors Bill, 1962— Second Stage.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. The purpose of the Bill is to amend and codify the law relating to inns and innkeepers. The common law has, for centuries, placed the innkeeper in a special position in regard to his duty to receive travellers and his liability for the property which travellers bring with them to the inn. It is the common law duty of the innkeeper to receive and lodge every traveller at any hour of the day or night, unless he has reasonable grounds for refusing to do so, and to receive the traveller's horse, carriage, car or other vehicle and any other goods with which a person usually travels, provided there is accommodation for them at the inn. Failure to fulfil this duty is a criminal offence as well as a civil wrong. Moreover, the innkeeper is under a strict liability at common law for the loss of all goods brought to the inn by a traveller. It is immaterial whether the goods are lost by theft, through the negligence of another guest, or by the acts of the innkeeper's own servants. The only cases in which the innkeeper can escape this liability are where he can show that the loss was due to an act of God or of the enemies of the State or the guest's own negligence.

The Innkeepers' Liability Act, 1863, modified the common law liability by providing that an innkeeper shall not be liable to any guest for the loss of goods to an amount greater than £30, unless the goods are lost through the wilful act, default or neglect of the innkeeper or any of his servants or unless the goods have been deposited expressly for safe custody with the innkeeper. This limitation of liability does not, however, extend to horses or other live animals or to any carriage, motor car or other vehicle. The innkeeper has the right at common law to detain the property of a guest who fails to pay his bill and, under the Innkeepers Act, 1878, he has the right to sell the property after six weeks in order to satisfy the debt.

Almost a century has elapsed since the position of innkeepers was last regulated by the legislature and, in the meantime, great social and economic changes have taken place which, coupled with the introduction of cheaper and faster methods of transportation, have resulted in the transformation of the old roadside inn into the modern hotel. It has been represented to me that in the light of the altered conditions now obtaining a review of the law relating to inns and innkeepers is overdue.

It has been suggested, for example, that innkeepers' strict liability in respect of the property of travellers operates harshly on the modern hotel-keeper and that it is an anachronism and ought to be abolished. In Britain the Law Reform Committee examined the matter and reported in 1954 that certain amendments of the law were desirable. The Committee's recommendations were implemented in the Hotel Proprietors Act, 1956.

The subject has also been under examination by the Council of Europe which has prepared a draft convention aimed at securing uniformity of the law in this respect amongst member countries. In the present state of the law obtaining here it would not be possible for this country to adhere to the Convention which, incidentally, will shortly be opened for signature. In view of all these circumstances I decided to have a detailed examination of the matter carried out and it is as a result of that examination that I am now putting forward the proposals which are contained in the present Bill.

The Bill re-states the principles of the existing law relating to innkeepers subject to certain important amendments. Deputies will notice that we have elected to discard the term "inn" in favour of "hotel" which is, of course, the more apt description nowadays. The Bill imposes on the proprietors of hotels, as defined in Section 1, new statutory duties, liabilities and rights similar to, but in substitution for, those at present attaching to innkeepers under the common law. The definition of "hotel" reproduces the substance of the present common law concept of an inn and, in addition, is so drafted as automatically to include every establishment registered as a hotel with Bord Fáilte Éireann. This latter provision is new and is designed to remedy one of the unsatisfactory features of the present law, namely, the difficulty of ascertaining whether a particular premises is or is not an inn. The provision will mean that persons staying at registered hotels can be certain that they will enjoy the benefit of the protection accorded to them by the Bill. It is of interest to note that in England the Law Reform Committee drew attention to this defect in the existing law but did not offer any solution and, in fact, the matter was not dealt with in the English Act of 1956.

Section 3 of the Bill re-enacts the duty of a hotel proprietor to receive all persons presenting themselves and requiring sleeping accommodation, food or drink and to provide them therewith at reasonable prices, without special contract, unless he has reasonable grounds for refusal. The duty is based on custom and originated in mediaeval times when circumstances surrounding travel were admittedly very different from those obtaining to-day. In those days a person travelled on horseback and if, at the end of a day's journey, he was turned away from an inn, he might have to travel a considerable distance before obtaining alternative lodging for the night. This created obvious hardship and exposed the traveller to the risk of being robbed by highwaymen. Because the circumstances which gave rise to the common law rule have now disappeared, it is sometimes argued that the duty to receive all comers is an anachronism and ought to be abolished. I am satisfied, however, that this argument is fallacious and that it would not be in the public interest or in the interest of the tourist industry that hotels should be able to reserve their hospitality for selected guests. It seems to me that if the proprietor of a premises holds himself out as prepared to receive all comers, it is only equitable that he should be prepared to take the rough with the smooth, and be bound by the law to receive every person who appears able and willing to pay for the services and facilities of the hotel, provided he is in a fit state to be received.

Deputies may notice that in Section 3, and, indeed, generally throughout the Bill, the duties and obligations of a hotel proprietor will extend to all persons who seek admission to the hotel as guests and that the existing common law concept of confining these obligations and duties to travellers is being abandoned. I am satisfied that the present concept is unreal and no longer of any significance under modern conditions. Indeed the English courts have recognised that the distinction now exists only in theory by holding that a person who visits his local inn for a drink is a traveller, even though his home may be only a short distance away. On the other hand, the distinction which the common law draws between "guests" and "lodgers" is preserved under the Bill and the obligations of hotel proprietors will extend only to the former.

In this connection I wish to mention that, as a result of a recent Australian decision, it has been deemed advisable to provide that the duties and liabilities of hotel proprietors shall apply to all guests whether or not they are received under special contract. The Australian case in question was one in which the Supreme Court of Victoria held, in 1953, that persons who had booked in advance to stay at a sea side hotel for definite periods of from nine to twenty-one days, and who claimed the accommodation so booked and were received by the hotel proprietor on the terms and basis of their prior contract, were not guests but lodgers, with the result that the proprietor did not come under the common law duty of insuring the safety of their belongings.

It is not, of course, for this House to question the wisdom of the decision of the Australian court but I am satisfied that in so far as conditions in this country are concerned the tests which were or may have been apt in the seventeenth century to distinguish between the ordinary traveller's use of an inn and the use of it by a person then regarded as a boarder are no longer satisfactory criteria by which to distinguish between the two concepts as they are understood to-day. The responsibilities of innkeepers under the common law were fundamentally designed to protect those who came as guests to inns, but that does not mean that, in order to be a guest, a person must nowadays come in circumstances precisely similar to those which prevailed when the common law custom originated, for, if that were so, the custom would long since have died out.

If one sought, for example, to limit the custom today to travellers who arrive unannounced at hotels there would be few cases in which liability under the custom would attach. Modern usage is such that it would seem mere anachronistic eccentricity for the law to impose on a hotel proprietor a greater duty to the relatively few casual callers who come without any notice and are fortunate enough to obtain accommodation than to the many who have the common sense to make a prior booking. As I have said, therefore, the obligations of hotel proprietors under this Bill will apply to all guests whether or not they book in advance.

Section 5 of the Bill provides that it shall be the duty of a hotel proprietor to receive any property brought by or on behalf of a guest for whom sleeping accommodation is engaged and Section 6 provides that he shall be strictly liable for any damage to, or loss or destruction of, such property. I may add that I have carefully considered the desirability of abolishing innkeepers' strict liability for the property of guests. There is no doubt that the historical circumstances which gave rise to the concept of strict liability have largely disappeared; travel nowadays is very much easier and more common than it used to be and travellers are no longer exposed to danger from highwaymen in league with dishonest innkeepers.

At the same time, it seems to me that there is still good reason why a proprietor, who holds himself out as willing to provide food and lodging for all comers, should be under a special obligation in regard to the safety of the goods which guests bring with them and upon which, in return, the proprietor has a lien for his charges. The tourist or other visitor is today, as much as in the past, exposed to the risk of loss through negligence on the part of the hotel proprietor or his servants, but it would often, by the nature of the case, be difficult, if not impossible, for him to prove negligence, as he would have to do if strict liability were abolished. In the case of travellers from overseas, of whom there are a large number nowadays, the difficulty of seeking legal redress against the proprietor would be even greater.

On the whole, therefore, I am satisfied that it is desirable that the principle of strict liability should be retained. I am fortified in this view by the fact that the principle is accepted in most Western European countries. Indeed, the principle has now been so long enshrined in most legal systems throughout the civilised world that it would be revolutionary to abolish it. If this country were to do so, visitors to Irish hotels would be placed in a far less favourable position than in other European countries and there is little doubt that such a situation would react unfavourably on the tourist industry here.

As I have already mentioned, the existing common law obligations of innkeepers are confined to travellers. Whereas formerly this term was interpreted as meaning persons who stayed overnight at the inn, in the course of time the meaning has been altered to include casual visitors who call merely for a meal or a drink. It has been argued that the obligations of innkeepers in respect of property should only apply to the guest who stays overnight and that it is unreasonable to extend these obligations to the property of a casual visitor. I must say that I find myself in agreement with this viewpoint. Indeed, the present law has led to the anomalous situation wherein a person having a meal at a hotel is indemnified against the loss of any property which he brings with him, including a motorcar, but is not so indemnified if he eats at a restaurant. To remove this anomaly and to restore the law to what was clearly originally intended, the obligations imposed on a hotel proprietor by Sections 5 and 6 of the Bill will extend only to the property of a guest who has booked sleeping accommodation.

The liability under Section 6, that is to say, the strict liability for loss or damage, is being extended to property of which the proprietor takes charge outside the hotel, as, for example, where he sends a servant to collect the luggage of a guest from a railway station. This proposed alteration is a logical one and is being made in order to bring the provisions of our law into accord with the Council of Europe Convention governing the liability of hotel keepers.

In so far as a motor vehicle is concerned, an important new safeguard is being provided for the hotel proprietor in that his liability for loss or damage will not apply unless he has been previously notified that the vehicle has been brought to the hotel. I ought, perhaps, to mention that in this respect the method of approach in this Bill differs from that in Britain under the Act of 1956. There, motor vehicles have been removed altogether from the scope of strict liability. This was done on the basis of recommendations made by the Law Reform Committee which argued, first, that there is a substantial difference between a car which, unknown to the hotel proprietor and contrary perhaps to his instructions, may be left in a car park by a casual visitor and other property which may be brought into the hotel by a guest. Secondly, cars are generally already insured against loss or damage.

On the first point, I do not accept that there is any logical distinction between a motor car and the other property of a hotel guest. Strict liability applies only in respect of property brought within the precincts of the hotel. I can see no justification for distinguishing between cars and other property in the matter of the application of strict liability, especially as this liability will, under the Bill, be confined to the property of guests staying overnight. The argument that cars are usually insured against loss or damage is irrelevant. The issue to be determined is the fundamental one of where liability ought justly be placed. My view is that this must be settled on general principles independently of the relative abilities of the parties to meet the liability.

Under existing law, there is some doubt whether an innkeeper's liability for damage to the property of a guest is on the same footing as his liability for the loss of that property. Section 6 of the Bill remedies this position by making it clear that the liability extends to damage, loss or destruction. For the avoidance of doubt the Bill goes on to make it clear in Section 11 that the Accidental Fires Act, 1943, does not apply in relation to any claim for damages by a guest who invokes the strict liability of a hotel proprietor. That Act provides that a person who suffers damage by reason of fire accidentally occurring in or on the building or land of another person shall not be entitled to claim damages against that other person. In a fairly recent Circuit Court case it was held that by virtue of the Act of 1943 a hotel proprietor was not liable to a guest for damage caused by accidental fire occurring on the hotel premises. I am satisfied that the Act was never intended to apply in circumstances of that kind. Hence the need for Section 11 of the Bill.

The strict liability of a hotel proprietor will not apply where the damage to, or loss of, property can be shown to be due to an unforeseable and irresistible act of nature or an act of war. This follows the existing common law rule. Where there is contributory negligence by the guest the position will be governed by the Civil Liability Act, 1961, which provides for the apportionment of liability in such cases having regard to the degrees of fault of the plaintiff and the defendant. Where the court finds that the defendant, that is, the hotel proprietor, is guiltless of what may be called moral fault, while the plaintiff, or guest, is guilty of negligence, the whole loss will be borne by the latter. Thus, for example, if a guest negligently leaves valuable jewellery exposed and unguarded in his bedroom and it is stolen by another guest, the hotel proprietor will have a complete defence. Similarly, if a guest leaves his motor car parked carelessly on the drive-way up to a hotel instead of in the car park set aside by the proprietor for the purpose and the car is subsequently stolen, the court would almost certainly hold that the entire loss should be borne by the guest.

Section 7 of the Bill increases from £30 to £100 the existing limitation on innkeepers' liability in certain cases, and provides for a new limit of £50 in respect of any one article. These changes are clearly desirable in view of the fall in the value of money since the Innkeepers' Liability Act, 1863, was enacted. The new limits are further more necessary in order to bring the law here into conformity with the provisions of the Council of Europe Convention to which I have already alluded. As under existing law, the limitation will not apply to motor cars or property which is deposited with the proprietor expressly for safe custody or property which is damaged or lost through the negligence of the proprietor.

In order that a proprietor may obtain the benefit of the limitation conferred by the section a notice in the form prescribed in the First Schedule of the Bill will have to be displayed conspicuously in the hotel premises. Deputies will observe that the notice will require to be in both Irish and English. Some proprietors may consider it desirable to have the notice in other languages also and there is, of course, nothing in the Bill to prevent their adopting such a course. The new notice will replace the notice at present required to be exhibited under the Act of 1863 which is, in effect, a copy of Section 1 of that Act and is usually embellished with the escutcheon which appears at the head of every British Act of Parliament, namely the royal coat-of-arms. Thus, not the least of the reforms which the Bill will effect will be to ensure that the present anachronistic document will be replaced by a suitable notice prescribed by the Oireachtas.

Under existing law, the proprietor of a hotel is under a duty to take reasonable care of the person of a guest and to ensure that, for the purpose of personal use by the guest, the premises are as safe as reasonable care and skill can make them. It is obviously desirable that this duty should be preserved and provision to that effect is made in Section 4 of the Bill.

As I mentioned earlier, the duty of innkeepers to receive travellers and their property is an obligation under the criminal law as well as a civil responsibility, and an innkeeper who fails to fulfil that duty commits an offence for which he may be indicted. While the threat of civil proceedings is likely to be sufficient in most cases to ensure that hotel proprietors will fulfil the duty in question, circumstances may arise in which, on the grounds of public policy, the State would wish to be able to enforce fulfilment of the duty. Accordingly, Section 12 of the Bill preserves the existing obligation under the criminal law but provides that offences shall be tried summarily instead of by indictment.

I believe that this Bill will have the effect of bringing Irish law relating to inns and innkeepers into closer accord with modern social needs and conditions. It will also serve to bring our law into closer conformity with that of most continental countries, and, in the process, will enable us to ratify the Council of Europe Convention on the liability of hotel keepers. Deputies will readily appreciate that unification and harmonisation of law in this particular field is most desirable from the point of view of the development of international tourism. Finally, the Bill will fulfil the important function of clarifying and re-stating the law in a single, comprehensive, modern statute which will obviate the necessity to refer to previous enactments. We are, in fact, codifying the law.

I have endeavoured to deal with the main principles which arise under the Bill and I trust that what I have said, coupled with the information contained in the Explanatory Memorandum, will facilitate Deputies in their examination and assessment of the Bill.

Before I conclude, I should like to express my appreciation of the assistance afforded to me in connection with the preparation of the Bill by the Council of the Incorporated Law Society who submitted an excellent memorandum dealing with the existing law and making suggestions as to the manner in which it should be amended.

I commend the Bill to the House and ask that it be given a Second Reading.

Everyone will agree with the principle that there should be a new Hotel Proprietors Bill to replace that which is now 100 years old and, therefore, completely out of date. With that principle accepted, the actual consideration of the Bill becomes more a Committee Stage consideration of the details of the Bill.

We all must accept that the function of hotels and the place of hotels in the national economy, having regard to the present position of the tourist trade, must be jealously guarded. It is 17 or 18 years since I had the honour of being President of the Irish Tourist Association. I remember making it clear at that time that it was not the 95 per cent of our hotels which were excellent that set the talking pattern for the Irish tourist trade, but unfortunately the fact was that people were more inclined to grumble about the things that were wrong, rather than talk about the things that were right and that, therefore, the odd 5 per cent. which did not completely live up to their obligations, as did their brethren, received more notice and did inestimable damage.

It is as true today as it was then that it is this very small proportion indeed—and I stress "very small proportion"—of our hotels which do not live up to the reputation of the others which frequently bring the whole trade into unfair disrepute. Bearing that in mind, and bearing in mind the manner in which the State has generously come to the aid of the hotel industry with different forms of incentives and inducements, I was surprised that the Minister did not go a little further in certain respects in this Bill.

There is nothing—and I defy contradiction of the word "nothing"— that does more damage to the reputation of all our hotels than the one hotel out of 100 that has dirty, insanitary, bad toilet accommodation. It completely wrecks the efforts of everyone else to improve the standard of our hotels if one hotel in a town does not keep up a reasonable standard and it happens that guests or visitors go into that hotel. Therefore, the Minister might have considered, when introducing this Bill, providing some system by which that odd one per cent. —perhaps it is not even as high as one per cent.—might be prevented, under a code such as this, from doing damage to their colleagues and neighbours, and to our reputation as a whole. Whether he feels it is not entirely proper for consideration in this Bill or not is a matter I would like him to indicate. It is something of which all of us have heard from time to time. Sometimes, let me add, it is not entirely the fault of the hotel proprietor, but may be the fault of the odd one per cent. of the patrons as well.

That is one of the things that occured to me when reading this Bill —that when bringing the old law up to date, the Minister might have given consideration to conveniences of that sort for visitors, thus providing the degree of modern improvement to which we have become accustomed and which we have rightly come to expect. I want to stress that I am speaking of a minute proportion only who do damage to an industry which, as a whole, has made and is making very great efforts. It is many years since I made exactly the same point when speaking for the Tourist Association.

In this Bill, the Minister has rightly made a differentiation between the person who drops in casually for a meal and the person who stays overnight in a hotel. The fact that the hotel keeper will not be under a liability in respect of goods for the person who merely drops in for a meal does not, of course, as I understand it, relieve him of liability when, for example, a person gives his hat and coat to the cloakroom attendant and gets a ticket for it or it is taken by a porter. That is a contractual relationship, and this is merely a statutory relationship. It is as well that the difference should be understood.

In that connection, it is clear that the old limit of £30 set in 1863 is completely and absolutely out of date now. It is highly desirable that the amount should be changed and brought into accord with the modern value of money. I do not think anybody would accept that £30 in 1863 was the same as £100 now. The amount would have to be raised much more substantially. However, £100 is a fair enough figure from the point of view of the statutory obligation. I should like in that respect some clarification from the Minister that it is £100 per person and not per account. In other words, if a husband and wife are staying in a hotel and there is one account, one booking, it is £200 obligation in respect of them, with the same over-riding limit of £50 for any one article.

It is desirable that the provisions of the Accidental Fires Act, 1943, should be excluded from the liability of a hotel proprietor, but is it clear that in deleting the provisions of that Act from this Bill we are not in any way affecting the liabilities of one guest to another guest? The 1943 Act was introduced because of the fire in Athlone. The fire spread from one premises to another and it was held, prior to the introduction of that Act, that the owner of the premises where the fire originated was liable for all the damage wheresoever it was caused. Is it clear that the deletion of the provisions of the 1943 Act from this Bill will not mean that if a fire starts in a bedroom, perhaps because of a guest's action, that guest will be liable for the whole burning throughout the hotel? I believe that matter must be clarified beyond yea and nay.

The Minister has, with a great flourish of trumpets, talked about the new notice that will be put up in hotels. In my view, there is only one word for that, and that word is "cod". Anybody who goes into a hotel is supposed to know the law, just as in every other aspect. Having a liability in relation to this Act measured just because a notice is or is not up on the wall is utter nonsense. The obligation to display a notice in Irish, English, or any other language—if the persons concerned want to warn foreigners so that they will not be able to say they did not know what the notice was— appears quite nonsensical and should be dropped completely from the Bill. It is a fundamental principle of our law that we are all supposed to know the law. Therefore, in this modern age, there is no reason whatever why that should be done.

Personally, I also think that the obligation imposed in the Bill on a hotel keeper to provide accommodation is also an anachronism. Today communications are such that anybody can telephone ahead for accommodation, if he wants it. Why that normal procedure would not be adopted in respect of something that is to be made a criminal charge is not a thing I can understand. I know the hotel keeper has the right to refuse if it is reasonable for him to refuse. He can say he is full. The question of whether he is full or not is always a matter of some argument. It is always possible to put up a "shakedown" in a room normally used as a sitting room if he wants to do it, but he would not be obliged to do it. In 1863, there was no satisfactory means of communicating one's desires, if one had to stay overnight in an inn. That system has now completely gone by the board. To retain it in this Bill is to retain an anachronism and, not only that, but it is giving legislative sanction to what is an undesirable practice. In these days of modern communications, if one can arrange accommodation by telephone or by writing ahead, it is only reasonable that one should do so. Therefore, I think the Minister should seriously consider the necessity for retaining that provision in the Bill.

We all agree that a Bill of some sort is necessary after one hundred years to bring us into accord with modern practice. Once that is agreed, the details become more a matter for the Committee Stage and we shall have an opportunity of considering them next week.

I recognise this Bill as a welcome attempt to bring the law up to date. I propose not to say very much on it, except to mention that there was some confusion in my mind when I discovered it was the Minister for Justice who was taking charge of the Bill. I appreciate now why he does, since it is, in fact, a Bill which deals mainly with the responsibility and liability of hotel proprietors towards guests and lodgers. I think I am right in assuming that the Minister for Transport and Power would have responsibility for any improvements that might be required of hotel owners in the matter of room accommodation, toilets and so on. For that reason, I trust the debate will not be so wide on this occasion as to appear to have transferred his functions from the Minister for Transport and Power to the Minister for Justice.

It occurred to me, listening to the Minister's speech, that if the general public had realised what the responsibility of hotel keepers was towards the public in respect of certain things, I fear we would have had much more litigation since the original Act up to the present. It is well that the law is being trimmed up, so to speak, and that hotel proprietors and the general public will know exactly where they stand.

I am disappointed that the Minister has not had full regard to the Convention of the Council of Europe in respect of hotel proprietors. The Convention has not been signed yet but, if I interpret the Minister's remarks correctly, it has been more or less agreed between the member countries of the Council of Europe. I do not know what the urgency is in this matter but if the signing of the agreement between member countries is imminent, I think it might have been desirable to wait until it has, in fact, been signed, if he has any reservations about its not being signed now, because I think it is important for various reasons that there should be uniformity in law of this kind in the European sector.

We are told that we are to be in the European Economic Community in a very short time. That factor should be considered but, even if we were not members of EEC, it would be desirable that people from Europe, travelling from one country to another as tourists, should find uniformity. Whether the Minister contemplates a revision of the law when the Convention is signed or if and when we enter EEC I do not know, but it seems, after a cursory glance at the Bill, that the responsibilities that are now being placed on proprietors of hotels here appear in some respects to be a little more onerous than those on hotel proprietors in other European countries.

The Minister said that the Bill did not attempt to fulfill all the obligations contained in the Convention but he dismissed the matter in a few sentences. Would he, when replying, give in a little more detail the real reasons why he did not observe the Convention that has now been agreed on or why he did not wait until the Convention has been signed by the members of the Council of Europe?

This Bill will enable us to sign and ratify the Convention. We could not ratify it at present. When we have this Bill enacted, we will be able to do so.

I think the Minister will admit that the proposals in this Bill do not embrace many of the proposals in the Convention.

They do, yes.

In any case, perhaps, he would make a little more comment on that when replying than he did in his opening speech.

There are some matters in the Bill which could be commented on but, like Deputy Sweetman, I think these are better left for the Committee Stage. Therefore, I do not propose to say any more, but I applaud the fact that there is an attempt here to bring the law in respect of hotel proprietors up to date.

I am interested in one or two points here, particularly Section 3. The proprietor of a hotel is under a duty to receive at the hotel as guests all persons presenting themselves. May they refuse on certain grounds and, if so, on what grounds? Perhaps the Minister would tell us a little more about that because guests are refused. I know hotel-keepers are entitled to refuse guests if they are disorderly or drunk but very often, for snobbery reasons, they are refused. For instance, if a person comes up from Connemara, perhaps well-dressed but without a collar and tie, may the hotel refuse him? Or a man may come along with an open shirt. Such guests have been refused. Therefore, I should like to know on what grounds guests may be refused. I know the law says hotel-keepers are liable to a fine of £100 if they do not receive guests but how does the person refused go about making a complaint?

There is another point. I understand that all guests are required to sign their names and addresses at the reception counter but I am only too well aware that in many cases the names and addresses are false. So long as the name and address is signed, it is all right with the hotel proprietor. In many cases, no effort is made to get any evidence that the names and addresses are correct. It is a well-known fact that some hotels are used for immoral purposes. I have read enough newspapers and books to know that. In fact, the Minister is only too well aware that in practically all divorce cases, there is evidence of adultery in hotels. Therefore, it is not likely that these people give the correct names and addresses.

Anybody can go to a hotel and bring in any woman he likes, put down names, and there is no question of producing any evidence that they are correct. If other people are subject to scrutiny and inspection by the Garda, why should hotels be immune? Why should they be privileged? I mentioned this only because if guests were required to show evidence of their correct name and address, it would be a deterrent against this abuse. That is a very important point because so long as people can put down anything at all, the hotels will be abused.

There is not much more I want to say except to mention those two points, ensuring correct names and addresses and the grounds on which hotel proprietors may refuse to receive guests. We are to have a Common Market when we may expect large numbers of visitors to this country. Perhaps the hotels may not like coloured people. Can they refuse on that account? Could they pretend that the hotel is full? There is always a way out of these situations. Would they be justified in attempting segregation and saying to the coloured people: "Of course, we accept you but you must go to the left." That is done in America. It could be done here. If some hotelier did not like coloured people, he could accept them but ask them to go to the left or to the right. The world is getting smaller and we can except large numbers of visitors here and cases of the kind I mentioned could arise. There are quite a number of coloured students here and as often as not, they are refused admission to places. Are they protected under this Bill?

In conjunction with other speakers, I welcome this Bill. It is one hundred years since the law was changed. The Minister indicated that the Bill was introduced in order to enable us to accept the draft Convention of the Council of Europe. I take it from the Minister's speech that the Irish Government intend to sign the Convention. I think it is a very good thing and that they should do so. The Council of Europe is a body representative of 15 nations. A considerable amount of work is put into the matter of Conventions. In the Council of Europe, all shades of opinion are expressed by public representatives from all countries. This Convention gives a wide coverage and displays a modern approach to hotel management and accommodation generally.

There are one or two points in the Bill which I think need a little clarification. The new laws relating to the responsibility of hotel keepers in regard to motors cars is a little ambiguous. The Minister says that the hotel proprietor is not responsible for the motor car of a guest, unless he notifies the hotel that he has a car. I presume that hotels have some sort of a garage or parking place of their own over which they have full jurisdiction. The car should be safe in every way. Therefore, the hotel proprietor should be responsible for the vehicle concerned. In the event of the hotel or guest house not having special accommodation for a car and a guest leaving his car outside without locking it— nowadays that is no guarantee against the car being stolen—and notifying the hotel proprietor, is the hotel proprietor responsible or not? It is a point upon which considerable controversy could arise. Unless this matter is clarified, there will be extensive litigation which will be of tremendous advantage to the lawyers but to no one else.

I fully concur in what Deputy Sweetman said about the one per cent. of hotel keepers who do not provide the sanitary facilities they should provide, who do not keep their premises clean. There is also a small percentage of hotel proprietors who overcharge, to the detriment of Irish tourism and their colleagues. It seems to me that there is no particular reason why it should not be mandatory on hotel proprietors to put up a list of prices in the rooms.

In my travels in many lands, not only continental Europe but in the United Kingdom, I have always found, when staying at a hotel, that the price is displayed. That makes it clear whether the charge includes breakfast or not; in other words, one knows exactly what one is charged. There is one per cent. or perhaps a little more of hoteliers in Ireland who are doing incalculable damage to the tourist industry. If they get somebody whom they conceive to be a bird of passage and who they think is wealthy, they will present him with an enormous bill. The person concerned has no redress whatever, unless the price is written up in the room. That is the guarantee in continental Europe and in the United Kingdom as well. A person knows exactly what he is being charged and hoteliers cannot charge more. I do not know if that comes within the Bill or not. I admit that I have not studied the Bill very extensively. I merely heard the Minister's speech. The point, however, is one which the Minister might seriously consider.

If we are going to put up new notices in hotels, why not start afresh in order to get into line with modern conditions? Having regard to the new European idea, we are going to have an influx of tourists. I am glad that the Minister has stipulated in the Bill that if anyone wishes to display notices in other languages regarding the rules and prices, he can do so and I think hoteliers should be encouraged to do that. There is nothing better than having these notices in three or four languages. Foreigners feel at home if they can read their own language. It is the custom to do that in Europe. In Germany, for example, one sees notices in English, French, German and Italian. The same applies to notices in the trains. And in London, they largely do the same type of thing. Five or six years ago, it was the exception rather than the rule to hear a foreign language spoken in a hotel but now it is quite usual.

The only other point that strikes me is this. In the old Act, the liability of hoteliers was £30. That ceiling is now £100. The old Act was introduced in what is known as the Victorian era. If the ceiling 100 years ago was £30 and is fixed today at £100, does the Minister consider that £100 today will buy what £30 would buy 100 years ago? If he does, I do not think the ceiling is right and he should increase it. This is quite a fair Bill to hoteliers. If anybody is stupid enough to leave anything valuable such as a jewel in a hotel and it is stolen, the hotel keeper is not liable. A sum more in keeping with modern times should be fixed.

I think it is generally agreed that the proposals in this Bill are a necessary improvement on the existing law. In fact, the record of this country in ratifying Council of Europe Conventions is a good one and our record in ratifying a number of international Conventions dealing with a variety of matters from ILO to the various Conventions of the Council of Europe is an indication that we are anxious to play our part fully in implementing the decisions of these various organisations.

It is essential that we should ratify the Council of Europe Convention on hoteliers because of the very great importance of tourism here to the national economy. As the Minister remarked, it is desirable from every point of view that we should harmonise our legislation with that of other member countries of the Council of Europe. One of the things which can irritate tourists is the fact that they find a difference in the legislation and law applicable to their stay in one country compared with another.

Nowadays, because of the work of the Council of Europe, a great deal is being done to make the law uniform and those Member countries who ratify these Conventions have an obligation to bring their own law into line with the changes that have been made. Indeed, I think all of us who visit hotels from time to time and see the old Victorian notice under the Innkeepers' Liability Act have often regarded it as an anachronism. It is high time that notice was changed. Where similar laws exist in other spheres, which are now out of date, it is time they were amended and modernised. But that particular one, because of the obligation to give publicity to it and to display it in a prominent place, probably hits the eye more strikingly than many of the other laws which are probably out of date but still operate. It is therefore essential that the law should be brought up-to-date and brought into conformity with modern conditions.

One of the matters which has contributed to an expansion in the tourist trade here is the fact that so many of our hoteliers have, over a number of years, improved their standards and brought their premises to a condition comparable with the best either here or on the continent. There are still a negligible few who fail to measure up to these standards and, despite the work done in the early days of the Irish Tourist Association and in more recent times, by Bord Fáilte—indeed by the combined efforts of both—and by the numerous efforts made to impress on hoteliers the importance of providing the best possible facilities, the essentials for visitors, there are a negligible few who still fail to measure up to the modern standards which visitors expect.

The damage which these few can do is quite considerable. It may happen that a particular visitor or group of tourists visit only one hotel in a particular locality. If they get the wrong impression, it may colour their attitude to a subsequent visit, or to that particular district. While very few now fail to measure up to the high standard which is necessary, it is important that on an occasion such as this, emphasis should be placed on the need to measure up to the best possible standards, not only for visitors at home but, even more important, visitors from abroad. One matter that does require some attention—whether this is the appropriate measure on which to raise it, I do not know—is the question which I believe, in the past, and sometimes even in the present, has militated against an improvement in hoteliers' standards and certainly in the matter of providing better accommodation, that is, the fear of revaluation.

Undoubtedly, the grants which are provided now by Bord Fáilte have had the effect of providing an incentive to many hoteliers to improve their accommodation and to provide amenities which are nowadays recognised as necessary if tourists are to be attracted. While these grants are quite considerable, nevertheless a number of hoteliers feel that because their premises are liable to revaluation, and although increased business may be attracted by reason of the improvements made, the deterrent of revaluation has had a restricting effect on the improvements which a number of hoteliers might otherwise adopt.

Deputy Cosgrave will appreciate that the Minister for Justice has no responsibility for this matter of revaluation. That rests with another Department.

I was about to say that it might be a matter for discussion between the Minister and his colleague, the Minister for Finance. Other than that, I believe that this Bill is an improvement insofar as it brings the law up to date and modernises the attitude which we, in common with other Member countries of the Council of Europe, must adopt. There are certain details of the Bill which we can discuss on Committee Stage, more appropriately than now—certain changes proposed require modification. The question of whether the change in the value of money has been adequately provided for is also a matter which can be considered on Committee Stage because undoubtedly what was an appropriate figure 100 years ago requires very considerable modification in view of the depreciation in the purchasing power of money since then.

First of all, I am grateful to Deputies for the manner in which they have received the Bill. It is true to say the Bill has been generally welcomed, as I had hoped it would be. Not the least merit of the Bill is the fact that it does something which we have been attempting to do all the time in this programme of law reform—tidying up in one modern statute of the Oireachtas all our statute law on any particular subject. From now on, it will not be necessary for students, practitioners or ordinary citizens to do a great deal of research and to go to old statutes in order to find out what the statute law is. Indeed, further than that, we have to a considerable extent codified the law. In other words, we have taken the common law as it has been evolved and developed by judges and written it down in black and white in the statute. I think that that is a commendable feature of the Bill and that it has commended itself to Deputies.

Most of the points which have been made are Committee Stage points and we shall be able to have an argument about them in greater detail when we come to the Committee Stage. However, one or two points were made which I think it would be advisable to deal with now, primarily because of their importance but also because there may be no particular section of the Bill under which we could appropriately deal with them later.

The principal point to which I would refer is that raised by Deputy Sherwin about the possible emergence of a colour bar. I want to make it clear that the Bill, as far as I can see and as far as we can plan, effectively disposes of any question of a colour bar emerging in our Irish hotels. Deputy Sherwin has asked the question: On what grounds will a hotel keeper be able to refuse a person who comes along seeking accommodation? The Bill, of course, states that a person must be received unless the hotel proprietor has reasonable grounds for refusal. The interpretation of what are reasonable grounds will be a matter to be determined by the court in relation to any particular instance.

Like the nail in the sandwich in the hotel.

It seems absolutely clear to me that no Irish court would hold that colour would be a reasonable ground for refusing admission to any prospective guest. Therefore, I think the Bill does in that way effectively ensure that we shall not have ever emerging in our Irish hotels any suggestion of a colour bar; and I have no doubt that that would be the intention of every Deputy in this House.

Deputy Sherwin also asked whether there was any obligation on hotel keepers to record accurately names and addresses. Well, there is not in this Bill. This Bill is fairly narrow in its objective. It sets out to define the rights, liabilities, obligations and duties of the hotel proprietor to the guest and of the guest to the hotel proprietor. Any question of hotel keepers being compelled to keep registeres or accurate lists of their guests is not in this Bill a matter——

Are they obliged?

They are, on the continent.

Not here.

They ought to. That is my point.

If they are foreigners, they are obliged to produce their passport here, are they not?

No, not under this Bill. The whole law governing aliens, and so on, is separate entirely from the law governing the relationship between the hotel proprietor and the guest.

But it is the existing law?

There are regulations made by my Department governing aliens, how they must behave, how they must register in hotels, report to the police, and so on, but these matters are not the concern of this Bill.

Deputy Sweetman made a number of points and asked some pertinent questions. I disagree with some of what he said. I think I can more or less safely leave his questions over until we come to the particular sections with which he was dealing. Deputy Esmonde asked about the Council of Europe Convention and Deputy Corish seemed to be under some misapprehension about the matter. The position is that a draft Convention has been prepared and is now open for signature by Member States.

As I explained to Deputy Corish by way of interjection, the purpose of this Bill is to put our law into such a state that we can, if we wish, sign and ratify the Convention. The question of signing the Convention is a matter which the Minister for External Affairs is considering very actively at present. I have informed the Minister for External Affairs that, if this Bill becomes law, we will be in a position, if he and the Government so wish, to ratify the Convention. Therefore, as far as the Convention is concerned, this Bill is, if you like, a preparatory step. It is putting us into the position that we can, if we wish, sign and ratify the Convention.

There is just a subsidiary point that strikes me in connection with the ceiling of liability laid down in the Bill. Some Deputies have adverted to the fact that £100 today is not equivalent to £30 in 1863. I fully agree with Deputy Sweetman and Deputy Esmonde that it is not. However, as Deputy Sweetman himself said, it is a rough and ready measure. In fact, it is greater than the limit of liability laid down in the Convention. The Convention specifies 3,000 gold francs, which is approximately of £75. Therefore, our provision of £100 in the Bill is greater than what the draft Convention provides.

No, gold francs. It is equivalent to about £75. Deputy Corish also seemed to think that we were diverging from the draft Convention. I am not quite sure in what way he suggests we are, but I cannot see that we are. In fact, we have actually used the wording of the draft Convention wherever possible.

Another thing we have adopted, which is proposed in the Convention, a specific matter, is the provision that a hotel keeper shall come under the obligation of strict liability where he takes possession of the guest's property outside the hotel. The sort of thing in mind is where he collects the property at a railway station.

Deputy Sweetman had a number of points about specific provisions in the Bill which, as I have said, we can safely leave over to the Committee Stage. However, in reply to Deputies who raised more or less general matters about hotels, hotel prices, hotel toilet accommodation, and so on, may I say that these are not really relevant to this Bill. The only thing in this Bill about prices is contained in the provision placing on the hotel proprietor an obligation to receive the guest where he is in a fit condition to be received. The proprietor is obliged to provide sleeping accommodation, food and drink at reasonable prices. I admit that there is considerable scope for disagreement between one man's opinion of reasonable prices and another man's opinion. As Deputies know, of course, Bord Fáilte publish every year a list of the prices charged in all the hotels registered with the Board.

I have no more to say at this stage, except again to thank the members who have spoken for the manner in which they have approached the Bill and for the welcome they have given to it. We can have a further and fuller discussion on the specific points of detail on Committee Stage.

Question put and agreed to.

Next Tuesday.

You will hardly proceed to the Committee Stage before Christmas?

I doubt it, but we shall do our best,

It is not an instrument of great urgency.

The only suggestion I would make to the Leader of the Opposition is that if something has to get a knock, it is more likely to be this Bill.

Committee Stage ordered for Tuesday, 11th December, 1962.
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