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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 2 Nov 1965

Vol. 218 No. 5

Adjournment Debate. - County Donegal River Drainage.

On Wednesday, 20th October last, I addressed to the Minister for Finance Question No. 55 on the Order Paper as follows:

To ask the Minister for Finance if in view of the extensive flooding in the Finn and Lennon valleys, County Donegal, he will state what steps he proposes to take by way of proper drainage to prevent a recurrence and to provide better farming conditions for the farmers who work these farms.

When the Parliamentary Secretary concluded his reply, I brought it to the notice of the Chair that I did not hear him, and I refer to Volume 218, No. 1, Question No. 55 of that date. Any person who wishes to read the Dáil Debates will quite easily see that more than Deputy Harte did not hear the Parliamentary Secretary. While I strenuously object to a Minister or a Parliamentary Secretary trying to evade the issue by not speaking up, I am satisfied that the present Parliamentary Secretary has given me this opportunity, which is the first opportunity available to him, of ventilating the happenings in the Finn Valley on the night of October 7th.

The Finn is a river which runs from the high reaches of Glenfin into Donegal right through the Finn Valley until it meets the Mourne, and both the Finn and the Mourne create the river Foyle. This is very high, fertile land and in view of the disaster which occurred in the town of Ballybofey, and indeed all along the river banks, on the night of October 6th or early October 7th, the Parliamentary Secretary should re-examine the draining of the River Finn.

In a financial crisis such as this country is experiencing at the moment, this may be a tall order, but I feel it my duty to suggest it here. If one examines the facts and uses a certain amount of imagination and foresight, one is left with one conclusion in respect of the night the Ballybofey area was flooded and 900 teenagers marooned in a dance hall: if that flood had not hit the dance hall until one hour later and caught those young couples going home or talking on the street, many lives could have been lost. Who will be responsible if this happens a second time? I am not an alarmist but that has happened once and could happen again. If, for example, instead of having a dance in the hall that night, as is the practice, bingo had been in operation and the people attending there were of an older age group than the people who attended the dance, what kind of pandemonium would have been in the hall with flood waters coming through the doors?

Immediately after the catastrophe in Ballybofey, every public representative, local or Dáil, made it his business to go there and see what happened and to pull his weight by contacting the Office of Public Works and, indeed, the Taoiseach. Deputy O'Donnell and I sent telegrams to the Taoiseach asking him to declare the Finn Valley and the Lennon Valley disaster areas. Senator McGowan, a member of the Fianna Fáil Party, stated likewise. That weekend we had the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs and Senator McGowan examining the matter in one direction and the Leas-Cheann Comhairle and Fianna Fáil county councillors examining it in another. They all discovered the same facts and were all of the same opinion, that the disaster was due entirely to bad drainage of the River Finn. Senator McGowan disclosed—I cannot find the reference at the moment—that the amount of damage would be £300,000. It transpired at a special meeting of the Donegal County Council that the damage would be approximately £150,000. I will accept the figure of £150,000 as being the correct one.

Surely it would be good economics on the part of the Government to spend £150,000 on the drainage of these two rivers? Not alone would it prevent a recurrence of the disaster but it would provide farmers with a decent standard of living so that they would know that when they put in crops, they would be able to harvest them when the time came. At the moment any farmer who crops his land along either of these valleys does so possibly in the full knowledge that if there is a week's rain, he will lose his entire crop. This is the dilemma in which the Donegal farmers in the Finn and Lennon Valleys find themselves.

The situation has been aptly described in local newspapers. I do not wish to delay the House by quoting the local newspapers but I should like to quote the Donegal Democrat of Friday, 15th October, where it says in relation to the Lennon Valley:

From Churchhill to Ramelton, particularly, and the Kilmacrennan area hundreds of acres of oats and potatoes have been written off as a complete loss.

This is not peculiar to 1965 and the storms which caused this situation in 1965. This is a hardy annual. I have not been so long in public life to forget that certain members of the present Government Party in very senior positions made election promises that the Finn and the Lennon would be drained as soon as their Party got into power. I am also satisfied that since I came into public life, every political manoeuvre has been employed by the same public representatives to gull and persuade people, particularly at election times, that these promises would be fulfilled when they were returned to office.

I do not wish to make a political issue out of this but the Parliamentary Secretary is a man who recognises the serious situation that could have arisen in Ballybofey on the night in question. I am sure he would not wish to have it on his conscience that if that happened next month, or in a year's, or two years' time, the people attending the dance or other function in the hall might not be so lucky, because the House should realise that but for the grace of God, lives could have been lost on that night and the life of any man, woman or child cannot be assessed in terms of finance. Apart from anything else, this is one consideration which the Parliamentary Secretary cannot easily disregard.

I cannot understand why the machinery used on the Swilly embankment was not transferred to the Lennon or Finn Valley. That may be answered officially by the Office of Public Works as happens when pressure is brought to bear on them for the drainage of a particular river, but it appears to be elementary economics that if machines are available adjacent to the Finn or the Lennon, they should be put to work immediately instead of being transported at great cost to other parts of the country. If it is not possible to drain these rivers, then serious consideration should be given to the partial de-rating of the agricultural land. It can easily be recognised that if a farmer cannot harvest his crops, he cannot earn a living and being unable to earn a living from the land which he toils, it is ludicrous in the extreme that he should have to pay his rates.

I have promised Deputy O'Donnell a few minutes of the allotted time and I make this final appeal to the Parliamentary Secretary. In my opinion, the amount of money necessary to drain the River Finn and the River Lennon would be very well spent even if it meant that the job would be merely started and the embankments built at a later stage. Any attempt on the part of the Office of Public Works and the new Parliamentary Secretary to alleviate the problems which confront the farmers in these valleys would be very much appreciated by them. I hope that this discussion will in some small way enlighten the Parliamentary Secretary, and if he wishes to tour the valleys, I invite him to do so. If he gives me ample notice, I will be glad to tour them with him.

The point which I wish to make is much more urgent than that raised by Deputy Harte. Deputy Harte talked about the long-term policy for the drainage of these rivers but what is more urgently necessary is assistance for these people in the glens. The Derry Journal for 8th October carried this banner headline “Night of Terror in Donegal”. A day of terror is bad enough but a night of terror is worse. I have had an opportunity of inspecting these valleys and I have seen houses flooded to a depth of five or six feet. I have also seen houses which were flooded and had it not been for the fact that they were two-storey houses the families could have been drowned in their sleep. Last night in Pettigo I saw a house which was flooded as a result of the neglect in cleaning the Lennon River. We have heard a lot about cleaning the River Shannon and there has been a lot of blowing about that, but here we have a small catchment area which could be tackled by means of an interim drainage scheme. Even at this stage, under the Local Authorities (Works) Act something could be done. I was in a field quite near the town of Castlefin where a man had four acres of barley on conacre land which he had paid for and had tilled. Not one solitary stook of barley was left in that field.

Members of the Donegal County Council are reasonable men and they are agreed that something must be done to compensate these unfortunate people who suffered on that night of terror. We have a precedent for this, as I have pointed out on a few previous occasions. The precedent is the North Strand in Dublin when all red tape was cut to ensure that the people would be reasonably compensated, as they were compensated by the then Government. There should be no difficulty in setting up an independent tribunal to inquire into what damage was done on that night and on a few nights since. If these people can satisfy an independent tribunal that they suffered damage, they should be compensated by the Government. There is no use in appealing for more tillage unless the farmers are satisfied that their tillage will be protected. The only way that that can be done is by draining these rivers but pending that, I appeal to the Government to give compensation.

It makes very bad reading for people in Donegal to read that the Taoiseach said, when this matter was being discussed, and I quote from Volume 218, column 64: "It rained in other parts of the country too." Deputy Costello, when Taoiseach, did not say that to the people of the North Strand nor were the people of the Shannon catchment area told that. It is poor consolation to the people of Donegal and it is something we would not expect from the Government and something we are not going to accept from the Government. Unless some relief is given this year, these people will be financially unable to till their land next spring.

I hope my appeal will not fall on deaf ears. I know that the Parliamentary Secretary is sympathetic and will do anything he can. What we are asking him to do is to use his influence with the Government. We are asking his colleagues, the Leas-Cheann Comhairle and Deputy Cunningham, to use their influence with the Government to ensure—we do not want any political capital out of this—that something is done for these people. I know that Deputy Breslin and Deputy Cunningham are anxious that these people should be compensated. They have more influence with the Government than we have and I appeal to them to use that influence to see that what Deputy Costello did on one occasion, cut red tape, is done again and that these unfortunate farmers are compensated for the loss they sustained.

I should like to support the other two speakers. I have seen the effects of the devastating storm Debbie, striking us in the West and I had——

I cannot allow the Deputy——

I am pointing out that I brought——

We are discussing a particular matter and I cannot allow the Deputy to discuss another matter.

I agree.

If the Deputy wants to speak about Donegal——

I am getting to that.

The Deputy is trying to proceed through the Galway difficulty to get——

I am merely saying that the Minister has in his hands the power to meet this situation as he did when I invited him to see a similar situation, and to rise to the occasion——

I am calling the Parliamentary Secretary.

First, I should like to apologise to Deputy Harte because when he began speaking he said he could not hear my reply to his question on 20th October. If you recall, Sir, it was very difficult for you or for anyone else to hear my reply, even if my delivery was a little faulty, because, so far as I can recall, pretty well every member of the Fine Gael Party on that occasion was giving tongue.

I do not want to interrupt the Parliamentary Secretary——

The House was in a state of pandemonium, as you may recall, Sir.

Like the valleys in Donegal on that terrible night.

I do not know whether Deputy Harte's plea and Deputy O'Donnell's plea can be taken to be an official Fine Gael departure from the procedure that has always been accepted since 1945 of sticking to the priority list set at the time the Arterial Drainage Act was passed through the House. If this is the official Fine Gael view, it is peculiar that it has not emerged until now, because they themselves had two periods of office in which they could have, if they wished, reviewed the priority list as it stands at present. No one has done that. I think it is wise that no one has attempted to do it, because there are good economic and engineering reasons why the Office of Public Works have abided at all times by the priority list established at that time.

Can the Parliamentary Secretary tell me——

The Parliamentary Secretary is entitled to his ten minutes.

On a point of information——

The Deputy has made his case. I will not allow these interruptions. The Parliamentary Secretary is entitled to his ten minutes and should be allowed them.

Deputy Harte said that the sole cause of the events in Donegal on that night——

Do not blame Deputy Harte.

——was bad drainage through the negligence of the Office of Public Works. I should like to say in that connection that the rainfall in the Ballybofey area on that night was phenomenal. There were three inches of rainfall within five hours. It is worth while reading an extract from the engineering report on that particular incident. It says:

No drainage scheme could reasonably be designed for such phenomenal rainfall which only rarely occurs, and then only in small areas, in this case just upstream of Ballybofey.

As a rough guide, the largest overall catchment rainfall intensity that could be catered for in the general run of economic schemes would be less than two inches in 24 hours.

In this case we had three inches in a concentrated area within five hours. Most rational people will agree that rainfall of those proportions would be bound to cause flooding conditions.

I suppose it is understandable, but Deputy Harte completely ignored the fact that there are vast areas in the country besides Donegal which are in just as great need of drainage, and which suffered just as much as Donegal from time to time from flooding. In recent times we have seen very severe flooding in different parts of the country. I myself in the town of Kilkenny saw the water lapping about the pews of the Black Abbey Church—which was built in the 12th century. Thousands of acres of hay and corn were flooded by the Nore and the people near the Suir had the same experience time and time again. This is by no means peculiar to Donegal at all. I, as a farmer, can appreciate the losses incurred by farmers in conditions such as these.

The Deputy made a very good point before he finished when he said he was concerned that drainage machinery now in Donegal should be utilised to the best advantage and that the money expended should be spent to the best advantage. It is for that reason, and not for any other reason, that the priority list as it stands at present was drawn up. Our engineering advice both in the case of the Finn and the Lennon puts them pretty well down the scale in each case, which does not mean that Donegal has been neglected, by any means, in the matter of drainage. In fact, it was a little more fortunate than most counties. The Swilly embankment, the Cloon Burn, the Abbey and the Blanket Nook, were all taken in hands in recent times. I do not think there is any Deputy from Donegal or anywhere else who would not admit——

The Parliamentary Secretary is mistaken.

——that Donegal has had a fair crack of the whip. I do not want in any way to belittle or minimise the sufferings of the people in the Ballybofey areas or valleys who were affected by this phenomenal rainfall, but I refuse to accept—personally or on behalf of the Office of Public Works—that it was through any negligence on their part that this phenomenon occurred.

I do not know whether I should mention at all the very florid contribution made by Deputy O'Donnell except to say I do not think it comes within my terms of reference to establish an independent tribunal to inquire into incidents of this kind. For my own part, the people who suffered in this flooding have my sympathy and my understanding as a person who has suffered losses of that kind himself and who probably, for that reason, would appreciate the difficulty and the seriousness of the problem at least as well as either Deputy Harte or Deputy O'Donnell.

Before the Parliamentary Secretary sits down, can he say where these two rivers stand on the priority list?

I can: the Finn is 26th on the priority list of 28 major catchments.

What number are we at now?

No. 10. Dunkerrin is at present being surveyed.

Another 16 years.

It will be quite a while.

The Dáil adjourned at 11 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Wednesday, 3rd November, 1965.

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