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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 15 Mar 1966

Vol. 221 No. 10

Committee on Finance. - Resolution No. 12: General (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That it is expedient to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance.
—(Minister for Finance.)

In resuming the debate on the Budget, I can only say that the reaction throughout the country has been one of shock and disappointment. We have shock at the Minister's statement that this colossal deficit must be faced and we have the disappointment of the people at having been deluded by the Fianna Fáil Party. The economic situation is so bad that the Minister feels "that the need to adjust the 1965 Budget and strengthen our financial position is so pressing that time cannot be lost". The Minister also said : "What went wrong with the Budget introduced last May?" That is what we should like to know. The Minister's lamentable explanation is not acceptable to us. Even the Minister seems mystified, perhaps so much so that one wonders if he even had his finger on the economic pulse of the country in the past year and if he were aware in any way of this mounting deficit we are now facing.

He decided to be honest—and I quote him again—"This has not been an easy Budget to present". That is the understatement of the year. Then he says: "Deliberately I have given the plain facts, convinced that honesty is not only the best policy but also the policy which calls forth the best from our people." Does he mean that he was tempted to withhold the facts or is he implying that he, unlike his predecessors, is being honest in this matter? It certainly was not an easy Budget to present and if the Minister takes credit for being honest about it, I would go a step farther and give him credit for being a brave man in presenting such a Budget.

I sympathise with him and his colleagues in the Party in the task they have in endeavouring to explain this hairshirt Budget to people who were deluded into thinking that the Fianna Fáil Party were leading them into the Promised Land of affluence and prosperity. Deputy MacEntee blamed economic astrologists and soothsayers "who deluded our people with talk of the affluence that awaited them when they got to the end of the rainbow." Surely that statement applies to the pre-election speech of the Taoiseach. Unfortunately, Deputy MacEntee says, we converted that roseate future into an opulent but fleeting present and we spent prematurely wealth which we had not produced. He asked:

Was this not due to the loud-mouthed and the golden statements of the Ministers who preached that the golden era was here and that we were in the midst of national prosperity? It would seem more suggestive of this.

The Minister for Finance in his Financial Statement ten months ago referred to "the satisfactory achievement of the past six years". In the same speech, he said that everyone in the community should benefit from the steady upward trend in our national prosperity. Have statements like these not been responsible for the present situation, of which there is abundant evidence and which Deputy MacEntee condemns?

The Minister for Finance is, perhaps, not so experienced as Deputy MacEntee. This is only his second Budget. Maybe we should wait until he, like Deputy MacEntee, has been responsible for 11 Budgets and then he may not be so convinced that honesty is the best policy. Deputy MacEntee, who claims that he was responsible for 11 Budgets, must know what he is talking about.

That is a large assumption.

He is very busy with his diverse business interests, perhaps too busy to come and discuss the business of the Dáil.

A Deputy's business interests do not arise in the Dáil.

With your permission, I must say that Deputy MacEntee has expounded at great length on the Budget and the problems confronting the country at the present time and I might say that it has relevance.

The Deputy is referring to his business interests.

No; I just said that he was too busy, perhaps, but Deputy MacEntee is still interested in the economy and has decided to devote a few of his leisure moments to a diagnosis of our problems and is airing his view in the national press. He speaks about the plight in which the nation finds itself. We must hearken to the words of an expert like him. Deputy MacEntee calls upon everyone to help the hard-pressed Minister, as he puts it. What about the hard-pressed country which the Fianna Fáil Government have been trying to stifle? We have Deputy MacEntee speaking about "these economic astrologers". Obviously, he has no time for these new-fangled ideas, these economic forecasts. To him they represent astrology. To him, perhaps, the Second Programme for Economic Expansion might be an exercise in astrology. Deputy MacEntee refers to other modern influences and refers to those who were responsible for the framing of the National Wage Agreement.

As far as I can remember, the Taoiseach was in no small way associated with the last National Wage Agreement. It would seem that Deputy MacEntee now seeks in his letter to castigate the Taoiseach. He blames "those irresponsible politicians who demanded increased expenditure on virtually every public service."

Will the Deputy say what he is quoting from?

The Irish Times of Friday last. If he refers to the Opposition as being the “irresponsible politicians who demanded increased expenditure”, he implies that the Fianna Fáil Government are weak and timid and accede to all these demands and that this is the cause of our present economic difficulties. Maybe he is referring to the Ministers of the Government as the “irresponsible politicians”, each Minister demanding more for his own Department.

Then he blames the press, the national newspapers. He says:

Even greater culpability attaches to those newspapers as being the most insidious agency in generating baseless euphoria which it has been the unpopular duty of Mr. Lynch, the Minister for Finance, to dispel.

It seems, according to Deputy MacEntee, that the Minister for Finance was quite aware of, and had no illusions about, our economic plight. That is the same Minister who ten months ago spoke about economic prosperity and the satisfactory achievements of the past six years.

Deputy MacEntee refers to "practically every newspaper". Naturally he must exclude that guardian of the truth, the Irish Press. Never would it pander to such a low level as the generating of baseless euphoria in regard to national prosperity. Can one imagine it last year every day carrying screaming headlines telling us about the economic wrath that was coming upon us, never generating baseless euphoria as to economic prosperity?

Deputy MacEntee devoted a lot of time to diagnosing our problems. I was wondering if he would like to come and present his twelfth Budget and to correct them, or is he more interested in autopsies?

The Taoiseach is reported as having said in a television interview on Saturday night that the prevarication of Opposition Leaders over the Budget had filled him with complete disgust. He thought it was absurd in this day and age for serious political men to try to deceive the people that it was possible to have greater expenditure on these services and to reduce taxation at the same time. His words were:

This is the type of double-talk that brings the profession of politics into disrepute. I will not have anything to do with it.

Does he forget that he was in Opposition?

And will be again.

I should like to remind him of a speech of his on the occasion of the Budget on 8th May, 1956, as reported in the Official Report, Volume 157.

Will the Deputy give the column?

Column 49. The Taoiseach said:

These higher taxes are being imposed because of the Government's inability to prevent the cost of administration going up, their incapacity to devise any method of getting the cost of Government down. In 1953, the Fianna Fáil Government, of which I was a member, took a decision that taxation in this country had reached the danger limit. We announced that we had made up our minds on that fact and that, so far as we were concerned, there would be no increase in tax rates above the 1953 level. We made it clear that, if any Budget difficulty arose, that difficulty would be met by a reduction of expenditure and not by increasing the burdens on the taxpayer.

He also said:

Will the Government make up their minds now that Government expenditure cannot go higher than they have let it go to date? Can they give the people a promise that there is any prospect of stability now? What is the use of all these exhortations to save unless the people can be assured that the value of money will be maintained? Only a very foolish man will save money now if he believes that this time 12 months that money will buy less in goods than it will buy today.

That has more relevance today than it had in 1956. The Taoiseach continued:

Will the Government not realise that their responsibility in relation to prices is a definite one?

Then he says, at column 52:

After two years of this incompetent Administration, we have a deficit in our balance of payments which threatens the future of every man, woman and child living in this country. We have rising prices. We have rising costs of Government. We have a higher and a rapidly increasing burden of taxation. All of that is following upon an economy in which, as the Minister admitted here to-day, production is not rising. Any small expansion there was in industrial output last year was offset by the fall in agricultural output because of your incompetent Minister for Agriculture.

How relevant those words are today. Is this not the kind of double-talk to which he objects? To me he seems to have a late vocation, a new concept of the profession of politics. It suddenly dawns on him now and he decides to wrap himself in this cloak of self-righteousness and condemns the Opposition who would dare to suggest that taxes were unfair, or that the cost of Government had gone up, or dare accuse the Government of mismanagement or incompetence. This is the attitude he has taken. Whom is he trying to fool? The people are more aware of and more alive to the situation to-day and we have a greater political maturity.

I wonder whom will the Taoiseach and his colleagues blame next for the present critical state of the economy. They have blamed the Press, the economists, the Opposition Leaders with their prevarications, irresponsible politicians, and those responsible for the National Wage Agreement. The only people they can blame now are the Irish people for being responsible for the crumbling economy—public mis-behaviour, to use the Taoiseach's words. Everybody else is wrong and only the Fianna Fáil Party are right. When are we to have an end to this paranoic situation in the Party? The apathy that exists today is a clear indication of the loss of confidence in the Government. Never was public morale lower than it is today. This is due to the Government's indifference and to their inability to manage the country's affairs. We have incompetence, mismanagement, wilful waste and extravagance.

The unemployment situation, which did not engage the attention of the Minister for Finance when he was making his financial statement, is a formidable problem at the moment. Last year 14,000 fewer people were employed in agriculture, more than 7,000 more than the increase in the industrial sector, which means that we have an increase of 7,000 in the unemployed last year. It was interesting to read the Progress Report on the Second Programme for Economic Expansion which says that the increase of 7,000 unemployed last year must be weighed against the projected increase in employment in the period 1964 to 1970. The projection is an increase of 81,000 under the Second Programme.

The projection for 1966 suggests that there will be a further fall, perhaps 3,000 to 4,000, in employment which means that this year we will have another increase of 3,000 to 4,000 in unemployment. If this projection is realised, it means that from 1967 to 1970 we will have to supply 23,000 extra jobs each year. The Progress Report also says that past experience suggests that it will be extremely difficult to increase employment at this pace, an increase of 23,000 each year from 1967 to 1970. The unemployment figure for last December was 63,700 and the rate of emigration last year reached the fantastic figure of 27,300.

I see no provision for this in the Budget and there was no statement about it. We should like to know what the Government's plan is for solving this mounting unemployment rate. The Taoiseach rebukes the Opposition for criticising his Party and criticising the Budget, but we are entitled to criticise, as the newspapers are, when there was no sign of any realistic plan or policy. Are the Taoiseach and his Ministers hoping for a miracle under the Free Trade Area Agreement? I doubt if the Free Trade Area Agreement will solve the formidable problems that face us today.

Now, we have discussed savings and there is no greater indication of the lack of confidence in the Government than the fantastic fall in savings last year. In the year before last, we had £9.7 millions in small savings but last year this dropped by over £5 million to £4.5 millions. That was a fantastic drop in one year. The people have no confidence in saving; they have no belief in the stability of money values. The NIEC has given a possible explanation, to use the Minister's words. This possible explanation is that in the face of rising prices there has been an attempt to maintain real consumption at the level it reached following the increase in money incomes in 1964. Is the Minister aware that there was an unrestricted transfer of savings from this country abroad, due to the attractive interest rates being offered? Is he aware that interest rates of 8½ per cent, tax free, are being offered by foreign countries? The interest rates are tax free in so far as absolute secrecy is maintained about these savings and there is no disclosure either to the British or Irish Governments. From my information last week, I understand that quite a considerable sum is transferred from this country to gather interest rates of 8½ per cent.

Can nothing be done to stop this transfer of savings, especially in the present situation in which this country finds itself? Could we not have some kind of penalty or restrictive measure on the outflow of these funds? I remember last year asking the Minister about increasing the interest rate on small savings and I asked him would he consider issuing bearer bonds, which might have helped to increase the savings fund. I only hope that this Working Party will issue its recommendations shortly and that it will recommend an increase in the interest on small savings.

One very important point overlooked is that last year the investment resources of departmental funds dropped from £17 million to £12.7 million. The booklet Capital Budget 1966 refers to the investment resources of departmental funds and says they are:

...used in the first instance to finance purchases by the Government stockbroker in pursuance of the arrangements for supporting the market in Government securities. Recent experience, arising no doubt from the prevailing tightness of credit, has been that the funds, instead of being net sellers of securities have, in fact, been drawn on for purchases.

Would this fantastic drop from £17 million to £12.7 million not indicate a loss of confidence? Then we see here a vague hope that this trend will not continue.

This year it is proposed to raise a further £28 million from the banks and by foreign borrowing. A warning is given in this statement, which says:

The possibility of financing the full capital programme for 1966-67 as outlined cannot be taken as assured.

We do not know what we stand to get this coming year. There is nothing definite.

This capital programme of £97.8 million is the same as that for 1964-65, the year before last. The Minister admits that despite the drawing from the International Monetary Fund and the proceeds of the Sterling-Deutschemark issue, the reserves of the banks may still fall short of the end-1964 level. He realises that these reserves must be restored to normal as quickly as possible. The reduction in these reserves is due to the Government taking an undue share of them. The Government hogged so much of these reserves that no doubt this was mainly responsible for the slowing down in the rate of growth projected in the Second Programme. This is a far different cry from what we heard last year when the Minister told us that lending by the banks had increased but did not tell us that the Government had made excessive demands on these reserves and as a result none was available for the private sector. There was contraction in the private sector due to this. So much did the Government borrow that they actually put the economy in jeopardy. Can we have an assurance this year that they will not take the major proportion of the reserves and that the private sector will be given an increase over last year so that we can have an increase in output?

The Taoiseach and his colleagues are anxious for advice and suggestions. The Taoiseach is disgusted that no alternative was offered by the Opposition. One thing is abundantly clear: the cost of administration has gone out of all proportion. That is the first fact that emerges from an examination of the Budget. There is definitely mismanagement. This is the age of rationalisation. I wonder could we apply a little more of this to Government departments? Perhaps the Minister for Industry and Commerce, who seems to be an expert on this particular subject, could offer some expert advice? We hear the cry for adaptation and efficiency, but could we not apply a little more of this to Government Departments?

The Taoiseach rebukes the Opposition for not offering alternatives. Is he anxious for Government by Opposition, or is this just the usual cry to hoodwink the public? The people know the Government were put into power to manage the affairs of the State. They have mismanaged them and will be held responsible before the electorate.

If we look a little more closely at the provisions of the Capital Budget, we see An Foras Tionscal are about to get a grant of £4 million. They also got a grant of £4 million last year. The total amount of grants paid out by them is £32.6 million. There are quite a few monuments to Government inefficiency in the shape of factories not even in operation, such white elephants as the Potez factory and the GEC factory in Dundalk, which caused quite an amount of concern. Could we not have more careful scrutiny of these applications for grants for the establishment of factories? A look at the list of factories which have been established shows that many of them are completely extraneous to this country and could never hope to succeed. We must remember the taxpayers provide the money for these factories. They are showing considerable alarm at the money that has been wasted on them.

While on this subject, I do not think the Minister for Industry and Commerce has any right to come into the House and say it would not be in the public interest to disclose what moneys were recovered in the case of the £341,000 invested in the GEC factory in Dundalk. This is public money. It is a public matter and it calls for a public disclosure of what happened this £341,000. The Minister is relieving himself of his Parliamentary responsibility. I do not think he has a right to conceal these facts from Deputies and from the public. It is about time the people had more details about how this money is spent. Such an attitude must be deplored.

If we examine some of the finer details of capital expenditure, perhaps some of the items would not make a whit of difference to the deficit. However, they are items about which I should like details. It says that the National Building Agency plans to spend £500,000 this year on the provision of houses to meet the needs arising from industrial development, compared with £400,000 for last year. Could we have details of the number of houses provided last year with that £400,000 or does anyone ever ask for details? It is a small item but I should like to know. It says also:

The Agency proposes to spend £120,000 in building houses at different centres for occupation by members of the Garda Síochána.

It goes on to say that this expenditure is recouped to the Agency from the Vote for Public Works and Buildings, but as far as I can see this sum is included under both headings, and I was wondering why. It is also stated there is a drop of £0.3 million in the provision for capital expenditure on schools. I would deplore this at the present time. No matter how stringent our economy may be, this should rank high among priorities. Paragraph 211 of the Second Programme for Economic Expansion says:

In 1965 there was an increase over 1964 of 5,500 in the number of secondary school pupils, far exceeding the anticipated increase of 3,500. This increase is accounted for by the greatly increased demand for secondary education and the fact that an increased proportion of pupils stayed on to complete the full secondary school course. These developments accentuated the already urgent need for additional accommodation and facilities.

Despite this, there is a drop of £0.3 million in the provision for capital expenditure on schools. A little later on, I will show where there is no limit to the increases we provide for non-priority items. In paragraph 40 of this Capital Budget, we see that expenditure in 1966-67 is estimated at £1.22 million on the restoration of the State Apartments at Dublin Castle, extension of the National Gallery, and the purchase of premises for State Departments, including legations abroad. Could we not have had a slightly greater reduction under these headings now that we must set a system of priorities? Paragraph 42 says that last year £330,000 was spent on the reconstruction of the Training College for male National Teachers in Drumcondra, and this year an extra £250,000 is being spent. In all, almost £600,000 is being spent on this. I took the trouble to visit this place and I was astonished that it should cost so much. I should like to have details as to why the reconstruction of those premises should cost £600,000.

Detail would seem to be a matter for the Estimate.

It is relevant here. It is in the Capital Budget.

A sum of £600,000 is no detail.

Detail in regard to it would relevantly arise on the Estimate.

It is mentioned that we spent £330,000 last year on the Training College for Male National Teachers and that there is a capital provision of an extra £250,000 for 1966-67. I cannot understand paragraph 68 which says in regard to Fisheries:

Estimated expenditure for 1965-66 was £0.31 million exclusive of £0.22 million for the repayment of Central Fund advances written off which was of the nature of a technical accounting adjustment...

I should like an explanation of that.

In regard to paragraph 74, having heard today about Bord na Móna, I was wondering could we not have had a little increase this year under this heading. It might help. In regard to paragraph 93, £700,000 is being provided for the extra working capital requirements of Comhlucht Siúicre Éireann and Erin Foods Limited. Would it not be possible to have this money provided from the internal resources of this company? Surely there must be some money behind this massive facade in Leeson Street. These are small items but there is a saying: Take care of the pennies.

I am mystified by paragraph 97 which refers to a sum of £4 million for the Industrial Credit Company, a decrease of £700,000 on last year. It is impressive to see that decrease, but of this £4 million, £3 million is given out of public funds, whereas last year only £1.7 million came out of public funds. I should like to know why we take so much from public funds this year for the Industrial Credit Company.

Some of these companies with Irish names are a little confusing. There is a mysterious way of forming more and more companies into which vast sums of money are poured. The functions of many of these companies are vague and nebulous. The ability to form these new companies is only exceeded by the willingness to pour more and more money into them. One of these companies has the innocent-sounding name of An Foras Forbartha. Reference to it is relevant so far as it got an extra £23,000 this year. A few months ago it came to my notice that the affairs of this company might not be in order. There were no meetings of the directors of this company. I put down a question on the Order Paper and, lo and behold, there was consternation inside, from my information. A meeting of this company was called for 9 o'clock at night in time for answering my questions. I still did not find out what was the function of An Foras Forbartha. I should like to know why £23,000 extra is being provided this year and if anything fruitful has come from this organisation. It is a pity we are so bogged down with constituency work or we might have a little more time to look into problems like these.

The Book of Estimates for Public Services is a formidable document but it is very revealing. One item which came to my notice is in relation to the Houses of the Oireachtas: last year £2,000 was provided for postal expenses for officers and staff of the Houses of the Oireachtas and this year it jumped up to £11,000, an increase of £9,000 or 450 per cent.

These are matters for the Estimate. They should not be discussed now.

I think this is relevant on the Budget. What we are talking about is lowering the cost of administration, presenting a Budget that will be acceptable to the people and at the same time, provide proper services without taxing the people to the limit.

These are details which relevantly arise for discussion on the Estimate.

On a point of order, did the Taoiseach himself not say Opposition speakers were advocating economies without pointing out where they could be made? If we point out now where economies can be made, are we to be ruled out of order, and then denounced on the radio because we have not done so?

The Chair will not rule anything that is relevant out of order, but these are details that, as I say, would relevantly arise on the Estimates and we cannot debate the Estimates on the Budget debate.

May I point out that there has been a change this year in that, by agreement of the House, this one Budget debate is supposed to include the Vote on Account as well?

There has been no change so far as the rules of the House are concerned in relation to matters of administration and details. Such matters are appropriate for discussion on the relevant individual Estimates.

But this is the sort of comment that has hitherto been allowed on the Vote on Account.

In a general way, Deputies are entitled to refer to the Estimates but not in the detail into which the Deputy is going.

What the Deputy is doing is listing certain increases which he questions.

To go into detail on each would open discussion of the Estimates on the Budget debate.

These increases seem to be out of all proportion and I think I should mention them. Travelling and incidental expenses for the Central Statistics Office have gone up by £12,490, over 100 per cent increase in one year. Some travelling! Under Salaries, Wages and Allowances, there is a sum of £15,000 for additional assistance and we have not heard one word as to what this additional assistance is. Last year the figure was £4,000. This year it has jumped by £11,000. My medical colleague is getting an increase of £16 per week in his salary.

Is the Deputy advocating a reduction in his salary?

I am talking about economies and an increase of £16 a week seems a little high.

This is certainly a matter for the Estimate.

All he has is £86 a week.

He has too much? Is the Deputy asking for a reduction?

Does the Deputy think three per cent is enough?

I did not say that.

The matter is one for the Estimates.

I should like to know for what Comhlacht Comhairleach na Gaeilge is getting an extra £1,500 this year. I do not know under what Estimate it comes and I am wondering whether it is high on the list of priorities.

The Deputy can get all that information on the Estimates when it will be relevant.

If one cannot discuss that on the Budget, then the Taoiseach should not be allowed to discuss it on television.

(Cavan): On a point of order, for my own guidance, it does seem to be rather difficult to advocate economies and suggest the amount being asked for is too much if one is not allowed to show where economies can be effected.

I am ruling detail on these matters as relevant to the Estimates. That has always been the practice. The Deputies are in order in referring to the increases but the reasons for the increases can be elicited properly on the Estimates.

This is also the debate on the Vote on Account.

Would it not be relevant for us, if we accuse the Government of mismanagement and waste, to show where that waste comes? One might elaborate on this, and I think it would be a good thing to explain where the waste comes in order to justify my accusation of extravagance. I am certainly not going into any great detail. I see there is a decrease of £500 in the Vote for the Secret Service.

That definitely is a matter for the Estimates. The Deputy may not ramble in detail over the Estimates.

It is a big secret anyway.

There is no secrecy as far as the Chair is concerned. It is really a matter for the Estimates and not for the Budget debate.

I want to go on record as saying that it is a monstrous proposition that the Taoiseach should be allowed to challenge the Opposition to point out where economies may be made, to denounce them for irresponsibility in not making those proposals and then, when they proceed to make them, they are ruled out of order by the Chair. There is neither head nor tail to that procedure.

I am pointing out that details relating to Estimates are not relevant to the Budget debate. They are relevant to the Estimates.

The debate on the Estimate is a debate on administration. We are trying to balance the household budget and I think the Deputy is entitled to talk about overexpenditure and under-expenditure.

The Deputy is not entitled to go into the details into which he is going on matters which are relevant to the Estimates and not to the Budget.

Supposing he could show where a saving could be made on the Estimate for the Secret Service, that would be helpful to the Minister for Finance, would it not, in trying to balance his Budget?

In certain Departments, postal expenses jumped over £50,000 in one year. I should like to know why this has occurred. I think this increase is uncalled for. If we had a little economy, we might not have this vast deficit that now faces us in our Budget. These are very relevant matters, I think. Trinity College is getting an increase of £318,000. It is very difficult for me to go to my constituents, especially the old age pensioners, and tell them that their ounce of tobacco will go up by 2½d. because, among other things, Trinity College must get another £318,000 for repairs and so on. They probably will not mind paying the extra 2½d. on the ounce of tobacco when they realise Trinity College must have another £318,000— these poor people in Mount Pleasant Buildings and in the other substandard dwellings all over the city.

There is an increase of £15,000 for the preservation and improvement of game reserves. Last year we gave £45,000 for the same purpose. This year it will be £60,000. There is no shortage of money here, as far as I can see. We seem to be game for anything,

In this year of stringent economy— this is important—the provision for the Irish Meat Association has gone up from £11,600 to £50,000, an increase of £38,400. We talk about economies and then we provide this vast sum. I should like to know for what purpose. What does the Irish Meat Association do to deserve this tremendous increase? One could go on for hours showing where economies could be made. They would save the country a tremendous amount of money and we would not then have these unjustifiable taxes.

The "Buy Irish" campaign is getting less this year. Last year it got £45,000; this year the figure is £20,000. There may be some significance in this. I am quoting from the Anglo-Irish Free Trade Agreement: The progressive elimination of any practice mentioned which would frustrate the benefits expected from the removal or absence of duties—Articles 13 and 14. Here we have a sudden drop in the amount provided for the "Buy Irish" campaign. We will probably know the meaning of this next year. What does all this show?

Hypocrisy.

It shows that the cost of administration has gone up fantastically and I am ruled out of order when I try to show where economies might be made.

Administration is ruled out as a matter for the Estimates.

There is mismanagement, wasteful expenditure, extravagance in the extreme, no sense of priorities, and a complete indifference on the part of the Government to the present state of the country On top of that, we have the Taoiseach denouncing the Opposition because, he alleged, they did not come forward with any constructive ideas. The answer to the problem is to trim the Budget. If the Taoiseach is looking for constructive suggestions, then I say trim the Budget, omit the luxuries and make the priorities those which are absolutely essential. That is the answer to our problems. This could be done without causing any great inconvenience. It could be done without upsetting any major economic programme and without causing any setback in industrial output. Such a plan, cutting the cloth according to the measure, would obviate the need for unjust taxes which are not equitably distributed.

The Minister's handling of the problem reveals a complete lack of understanding of the situation and the sop to the poor old age pensioner is an absolute insult. To add to this, the Evening Press had the bold headline: “Five Shillings Increase for Pensioners”, making sure not to qualify that by saying when they would get an increase. There was no mention on the front page of the Evening Press that the increase would not come into effect until 1st November next and they did not say that there was a means test and that the only people who will get it were those who are completely destitute.

Hear, hear.

The Minister's lack of social conscience is to be deplored. He looked to see what was left before he could consider the old age pensioner. He scraped the barrel. His words were: "The quarter of a million pounds which is all I have available..." That is all that is left—the crumbs from the feast table—and they can look forward to this next November. Hope springs eternal. Does the Minister know the scrounging and scraping that must be done by these people to survive? Is he aware of what it means to try to subsist on an old age pension? Did he read of the tragic death, some months ago, of a poor old age pensioner whose blood literally froze in her veins—sub-normal temperature, they said—due to lack of money? Could we not have cut down on some of these items? In face of rising prices, could we not have provided a little more for them? Let us preach a little Christianity and let us practise it.

Now we have a situation in which apathy has gripped this country. What we need is to evoke a new feeling of patriotism in our people. We must dispel this national apathy as quickly as possible and instil in our people a new sense of responsibility towards this country. We can do that only if we have proper political leadership, the type of leadership that will evoke the best in our people, and this leadership is lacking today. We have no political leadership whatsoever. The type of leadership that would serve as an inspiration to the people is lacking. If we get the proper political leadership, this national apathy will disappear, this despair will go, and Ireland will start moving again. We need to evoke the same type of patriotism as stirred the men of 1916 on the political front and we want to evoke it on the social and economic fronts. The Fianna Fáil Party have not been able to whip up this enthusiasm among the people. The depressing news on the industrial front is proof of the fact that what we need is a change of political leadership.

The Minister for Finance who, I am glad to see is restored to health after his bout of influenza, began his Budget speech this year with the very strange phrase, as reported at column 1286 of the Official Report, Volume 221, No. 8: "What went wrong with my Budget of last May?" Is that not a strange introductory paragraph for a Minister for Finance and is it not made even stranger still when we recall that Deputy MacEntee—who had been his predecessor in the office of Minister for Finance and had been in the House and had sat with him in Government over five of the last seven years— undertook to answer Deputy J. Lynch, the Minister for Finance, in the columns of the Irish Times—the Irish Times, note—two days after the Minister had asked that dramatic question: “What went wrong with my Budget of last May?”

There is one thing certain and it is this: The problems with which we are struggling today were begotten and born of no administration other than the Fianna Fáil Party. They have not got the alibi of saying: "We are the heirs to somebody else's iniquity. Our problems today are the consequences of their administration." Deputy MacEntee, in the Irish Times of Saturday 12th March, 1996—answering the question asked by his colleague, Deputy J. Lynch, the present Minister for Finance, on the previous Wednesday, in Dáil Éireann—asks the question:

May I, who was Minister for Finance from 1932 to 1939 and from 1951 to 1954, and have been responsible for 11 Budgets, answer that question?

Outstanding among the chief culprits, I place the economic astrologers and soothsayers who deluded our people with fantasies of the affluence which awaited when they got to the end of the rainbow some years hence. Unfortunately we converted that roseate future into an opulent but fleeting present and spent prematurely the wealth which we had not produced and, even today, are not beginning to produce.

Does anybody remember Deputy MacEntee's participation in the byelections of Cork and Kildare? I did not hear him say on any platform in Cork or in Kildare, that we were converting a roseate future into an opulent but fleeting present and that we were spending prematurely the wealth which we had not produced and which, two years later, he would have to say we were not, even then, producing.

Deputy MacEntee goes to to say in his letter to the Irish Times:

Next in order of malign influences I rate those who were responsible for what has been euphemistically styled a National Wage Agreement. It is true that this instrument did not initiate the inflationary trend—that was done by a long series of deficit Budgets— but it accelerated it enormously.

Who did that? Was it, or was it not, the Minister for Finance of the Government of which Deputy MacEntee himself was a member, as Minister for Health? He went on to say in this letter:

The agreement—or in view of the differences which arose in regard to its interpretation, should it be disagreement?—injected an enormous quantum of new purchasing power, uncovered by production, into the consumption sector of the economy. Moreover, far from encouraging an increase in production it retarded one. Tied up as the workers felt themselves to be, it led to demands for shorter hours and for uncovenanted, sometimes even previously unthought of, benefits of one sort and another, resulting in prolonged strikes in essential industries.

Why does Deputy MacEntee, speaking as a Fianna Fáil Minister who introduced seven Budgets, blame those whom he describes as the economic astrologers and soothsayers? Is it Fianna Fáil who have introduced into our public life, for the first time in the history of this country, the doctrine that our affairs are to be run by soothsayers and astrologers and not by the elected Government of the country? Is it not Fianna Fáil who have produced the grey book signed by Mr. Whitaker as the book of revelation on which all subsequent activities of Fianna Fáil were to be safely founded and if anyone dared to criticise any extravagance into which Fianna Fáil were plunging themselves, he was charged with challenging the wisdom of the disinterested prophets, whose words were sacrosanct. We are now in the ridiculous position—and in the shocking position—that I find myself referring by name to the Secretary of the Department of Finance who should be absolutely unknown in the deliberations of Dáil Éireann or of any part of the Oireachtas. Who was it then introduced the astrologers and soothsayers into the economic life of this country? Fianna Fáil, because they wanted an alibi under which to shelter as they dragged this country steadily into the economic disaster in which it finds itself to-day.

I am only sorry that Deputy MacEntee has chosen to make his communications to the public through the medium of the Irish Times and not through Dáil Éireann, where he still retains the right to speak. I remember years ago walking beside him through the corridors of University College, Dublin and he turned to me and said: “James, I wish I had your freedom to speak out tonight.” On that occasion I replied to him: “At a great price bought I that freedom but it is a price you could pay, too.” He shrugged his shoulders and he did not pay it.

I want him to read that taunt because it is a taunt now. He says that he beheld the slow destruction of our economic affairs by a surge of soothsayers and astrologers. But this was not done on 9th March; this was done on 1st July, 1964, not 1965, eight months ago, but 1964, 20 months ago. When I was speaking on the Taoiseach's Estimate—and it was Deputy MacEntee's right to intervene, to counter what I had to say and I believe he was a member of the administration then; he was Tánaiste and Minister for Health; I refer to column 1364 of volume 211, No. 8—I was speaking as Leader of the Opposition and I said then, in spite of the astrologers and the soothsayers of whom Deputy MacEntee complains today:

If we can go on expanding exports and earning a profit on them, our standard of living will continue to grow, but our ability to export, particularly in the industrial field, is controlled by our ability to complete. The plain truth is, to anybody who studies these matters, that on the right of us and on the left of us, pretty brisk inflations exist at present in the USA and in Great Britain. We know perfectly well the reasons for these inflations: both countries have general elections pending at the end of the year and both are quite resolved that in no circumstances will there be any restriction on the expansive tendencies which have been so sedulously promoted for electoral purposes. In that atmosphere, our capacity to compete is made all the greater by the relative inflation which is proceeding in our two principal markets. If, as is highly likely, at the conclusion of the general election in Great Britain, a different atmosphere obtains, unless we can control the rising cost of living and the tendency for our industrial costs to rise, our competitive capacity in our principal market, in Britain, is likely to disappear. If it does, Nemesis will come upon this country.

Was Deputy MacEntee on his feet then to say: "Well said; that is the corrective to the soothsayers and the astrologers; that is what needs to be said"? As Deputy Prime Minister, he was as silent as the proverbial mouse. Deputies can all judge as well as I can the reasons for the silence. I do not like to judge any man but let him be the judge of his own conscience. July, 1964 was the time to say what Deputy MacEntee—whether it be from pique or patriotism—deems it expedient to say in March, 1966, when the damage has been done.

I want to say quite deliberately the truth as frankly as I can express it. I want to say most deliberately to Dáil Éireann that this Budget and the disasters which will flow from it are the price, the rotten corrupt price, which was paid by Fianna Fáil for cheap electoral victories in Cork and Kildare. I recall the atmosphere obtaining in those two by-elections. I recall the members of the Fianna Fáil Party describing the 12 per cent increase as the Taoiseach's means of correcting the increase in the cost of living which had been precipitated by the accursed turnover tax which the electors of North-East Dublin so emphatically repudiated.

Do not forget the dialectic which took place. The turnover tax was brought into this House on the false representation, supported by Deputy MacEntee and by all the other Members of the Government, that the traditional sources of taxation were no longer able to yield the revenue necessary to carry on the administration. We challenged them and we warned them—"If you have recourse to this, you will open a dialectic of inflation in this country which will carry us to the verge, if not over the verge, of economic disaster. We carried that argument out into the constituency at present represented by the Minister for Education and the Minister for Agriculture, North-East Dublin. We defeated their candidate in that constituency on the issue of the turnover tax. Then came the Cork and Kildare by-elections and I now allege that deliberately Fianna Fáil purchased those elections by what Deputy MacEntee now describes as the "malign influence" of "those who were responsible for what has been euphemistically styled a National Wage Agreement". I now allege here —let him challenge me if he dares— that none was more active then in claiming credit for the Taoiseach than was his Tánaiste, Deputy MacEntee.

This is a terrible indictment to make of the leaders of the national Party from whose membership the Government of Ireland are drawn. I hate doing it, but sometimes the truth must be spoken. Some time we have to call a halt to the slithering down, and the sleazy methods which it is now becoming fashionable to employ in the public life of this country. I call this the boomerang Budget. As certainly as I am standing here today, when we defeated them in Galway and Roscommon, Fianna Fáil believed that a general election was coming upon them which they would lose. I now allege against them that they built up a burden of commitments, and undertook a vast programme of expenditure, in the belief that the result of the ensuing general election would be that there would be an Inter-Party Government in office, who would be required to introduce a Budget along the lines they are now forced to introduce themselves. Up to the time Deputy Corish made his speech in Tullamore, they thought they were going to be beaten, and they hoped to be in these benches to challenge us with responsibility for this Budget, and to be in a position to say: "If you had only let Lemass lead on, none of this need have occurred."

I say that is a great crime against this country. I say we ought to pull ourselves together, stop a moment, and ask to what limits we think it right to go in public life in the pursuit of electoral victory. I think the methods I have described belong to a school of political thought which is new to this country and which, in my judgement, can only fairly be described as sleazy political stunting which new entrants to our political life like Deputy Haughey, the Minister for Agriculture, Deputy O'Malley, the Minister for Health, Deputy Lenihan, the Minister for Justice and perhaps, to some degree, Deputy Blaney, the Minister for Local Government, consider appropriate in order to secure political victory.

I have been for a long time in public life. I have been in public life in periods of great stress, of violence and great depth of feeling. Say what we like, in the great conflicts that took place in the Thirties and Forties, though we profoundly disagreed with one another, there was a kind of mutual respect that we were disagreeing about fundamental matters about which we felt deeply and basically. Somehow or another we did not enter into the phase of purchasing the public's votes with public money.

I feel now as I look at the catastrophe with which we are faced at the present time, and recall the past two years of electoral experience in this country, that there is emerging a a new philosophy in our political life which is represented by the young men to whom I have referred, of selling a bill of goods to the voters under any false description, and no matter how they fail to fulfil the quality or delivery, it does not matter, so long as they have got the votes, and if it is all subsequently exposed as a confidence trick, they feel the appropriate reaction is to shrug their shoulders, snigger and say: "We are in office in any case, and they will have forgotten about it before we have to face them again." I do not think it is right to believe that there are no standards of political principles which are not for sale if the price is high enough. I do not believe that in the long run that will work, and I believe it is the supreme folly of selling your soul for a penny roll and a lump of hairy bacon and not even getting the penny roll or the lump of hairy bacon. It may take time for that lesson to sink in, but these young men have time to learn. It will be for the good of this country if all young men entering public life learn that lesson and bear it in their hearts.

I particularly resented the bland inquiry of the Minister for Finance as reported at column 1286 of the Official Report of Wednesday, 9th March, 1966: "What went wrong with my Budget introduced last May", because I recall that on 16 separate occasions I warned the people of the country of the road we were travelling. I do not claim that it is the duty of the Minister for Finance to read all the public speeches I made, but when the Minister for Finance asked the question: "What went wrong with my Budget of May, 1965", I should like to go on record that the answer was available to him in speeches made before, during and after the period that that Budget was being drafted.

I want to go on record as saying that those speeches were made at the Kildare convention of 9th January, 1964, in Ballybay on 15th March, 1964, at Malahide on 11th April, 1964, at the Fine Gael Árd Fheis on 19th May, 1964, at Harrison's Hall, Roscommon on 14th June, 1964, at the regional conference at Navan on 25th October, 1964, at the East Galway constituency convention on 30th October, 1964, at Portumna on 15th November, 1964, on a television broadcast during the Galway by-election on 26th November, 1964, at Ballinasloe on 28th November, 1964, at Loughrea on 1st December, 1964, in a telecast on the general election in March, 1965, at Carrickmacross on 20th March, 1965, at Waterford on 22nd March, 1965, at Carrick-on-Suir and Thurles on 23rd March, 1965 and Limerick on 25th March, 1965. I do not know how in more explicit language I could have told him what would go wrong with his Budget of 1965 if he chose to listen.

There was one occasion when I know he had to listen and that is in volume 215, No. 10, column 1333. I want to compare what I then said with what the Minister for Finance said. We were discussing the General Resolution, as we are doing now, relevant to the Budget, of which the Minister now says: "What went wrong with my Budget of 1965?" I said, in concluding my opposition on that occasion:

I could elaborate at length on a variety of other aspects of the cost of living, but I elect deliberately, for the purpose of bringing this whole problem into focus, to dwell on this tripartite dilemma—rising cost of living, rising adverse balance of trade, rising adverse balance of payments. That cannot go on indefinitely. What remedy do the Government propose whereby to correct this deadly evil which, if allowed to continue, will one day have to be faced? The longer we wait to face it the greater menace it will become for the survival of this country, not only in economic freedom but in political freedom too.

I want to read now for the House what the Minister himself had to say in the same debate at column 1878. Is it small wonder, when you hear this, that he should stand bewildered before us last week with the query: "What went wrong with my Budget of 1965?" Here is what he believed and hoped for in 1965. He was concluding the debate on a General Resolution on 20th May at volume 215, No. 13, column 1878. He concludes with those words:

I have dealt in some detail with most of the points raised and I do not wish to delay the House longer. We have in this Budget not only a good social welfare Budget but, from the fact that we have made provisions for increased expenditure on agriculture, industry, housing and other forms of productive effort, a good economic development Budget as well and, please God, with the assistance we have been offered from the other side of the house——

Of course, Deputy Dillon was the sore thumb there——

——and the co-operation we can expect to get from the country, we can have greater development, greater progress and perhaps even a better Budget next year.

Is it any wonder this poor, bewildered man—he is a nice, likeable man— should get up and ask in desperation in the presence of the House: "What went wrong with my Budget last year?" It was well he got Deputy MacEntee out of the Cabinet before this Budget was introduced or he would have got a very dusty answer at the Government meeting before he came in to present his Budget to Dáil Éireann because Deputy MacEntee seems to have known all the time what went wrong with it but when he was in the Cabinet and when he had the right to speak, he kept the same discreet silence he will remember keeping in 1943. Well, in the realm of eschatology, I suppose the quintessence of free will is that we have the right to choose damnation; so in the sphere of politics and economics, the essence of individual liberty is that the people have the right to do wrong. Mind you, that is a principle that was challenged at a very high level in this country at one time and one of the wrongs the people have the right to do is to choose Fianna Fáil, even if the majority of our people choose bankruptcy and anarchy as well.

Mind you, the stability of this country and of its institutions lies not only on solvency, it rests on the conviction of our own people and our neighbours abroad that the legitimate Government of this country is capable of government. When I see our country teetering on the very verge of bankruptcy—I will define that in a moment— while at the same time a group of anarchists can go down to the centre of our city and blow up Nelson Pillar while the gardaí are bustling around putting traffic tickets on their neighbours' motor cars, I begin to ask myself: "What has happened to the Republic to which we were all so proud to belong?" What has happened to the public administration when the National Army is called out to complete the work initiated by the anarchists and the corporation are called, like Philistines, to shatter the artistic treasures that decorated the plinth of that silly old familiar monument we have all grown up beneath? Many of us have looked on it as a symbol of a foreign power in the country we were committed to make free; many of us have watched it change into a symbol of the triumph of the struggle to be free. He stood with his cocked hat and his bronze sword inviolate, the symbol of the power they sought to impose on us which we have brushed aside and left its silly symbol there to remind us of the glory of those who made us free. I am humiliated that we should allow members of our National Army to complete the work of a cheap Mafia. That is what one would call anyone who defies the authority of the legitimate Government of this country —a Mafia.

Hear, hear.

Do not let us ignore the fact that there are Deputies in this House who shiver a little and say: "Had he not better watch his tongue? Is he safe any more?" I would sooner be dead than submit to the tyranny of a dirty bunch of anarchists who have made our country a by-word before the world. If they want to murder me, let them murder me but let there be voices raised in this country to say that no one will be tolerated who claims the right to flout the legitimate Government——

The Deputy is going a little wide of the point.

What does stability consist of? What of the legitimate Government of the country——

Chickens come home to roost.

I wonder. I understand the reluctance of the Chair not to follow this argument. Maybe I am wrong; maybe I am too pessimistic. Are we to invite people to shrug their shoulders and be indifferent to open defiance of the legitimate Government of this country? I revere the legitimate Government of this country from whatever Party it is drawn. That was what I was brought up to long for—a Government drawn from our own people. I have always stoutly maintained the right of our people to do wrong if they want to. If Governments are chosen by fraud, other consequences will follow, but I shall not pursue it any further in view of the reluctance of the Chair to travel with me.

He is the only one who ever had control of you.

He has his job to do and while he sits in that Chair, it is part of my job to make it possible for him to do his job. I wish to warn the House that the Government are budgeting for a surplus. I warn the House that the representation made by the Minister for Finance and the Taoiseach that they may have to return in the autumn for the imposition of further taxes is a shameless and disgraceful fraud. A budget envisaging the expenditure of £262.278 million without any new charges coming in course of payment, except 5/- a week for destitute old age pensioners in November, has in it no potential for the absorption of the traditional £4 million to £5 million which must be calculated for over-estimation if the most elementary principles of public finance are to be respected.

This is a Budget designed to produce a surplus of anything between £3 million and £4 million. It has been drafted to enable the Taoiseach to glory in the autumn that he had not to impose the awful taxes that he greatly apprehended he would have to impose when the Budget was introduced. I suppose that is a legitimate kind of fraud. My younger colleagues will be shocked to hear me speak of legitimate fraud and I commend to them the book, written by an American, called Presidents Who Have Known Me. There they will learn the very subtle distinction between corrupt fraud and legitimate fraud. I do not blame a politician who says: “The heavens will fall on us in the autumn but I am struggling to hold them up”, so that when the autumn comes he can roll up his sleeves and show the arms of Atlas that have protected us in the frantic hope that the people will have forgotten that he was playing the part of Samson in the spring, pulling down the roof though now he is holding the sky.

The Taoiseach, strangely enough, speaking on the wireless, announced that he believes taxes will go up and up. I warn the House that if such a decision is deliberately taken, it is not an economic decision but a political decision. If taxes are to go up and up, then we have got to make up our minds to give up the system of a free economy and adopt in growing measure a continental socialist philosophy. I am not charging the Taoiseach with being a Marxist, but it is true that when you make that choice you should make it with your eyes open wide. If you are to move into a new world of socialist philosophy, you must undoubtedly abandon individual liberty and freedom. Lenin when first asked the question did he mean that the masses were to be deprived of individual liberty and freedom gave the contemptuous rejoinder "Freedom from what?" And that was considered to be, and is considered today by Marxists, to be the devastating and all encompassing reply.

I want to answer them. The thing I am concerned to preserve in this country is freedom from arbitrary tyranny, whether by an individual, an oligarchy or a majority—freedom to think and speak our thoughts, freedom to believe what our consciences tell us to believe, and I remind Deputies that Lenin had great illusions about the deliverance of the masses from the illusions of freedom by the spiritual children of Lenin, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. Those who accept that philosophy are learning now, too late, that not being able to answer the oratorical question of Lenin, "Freedom from what?" they give away a precious something without which life is well nigh intolerable for them today, and if you want to see the change now, as Deputy Corish and I did, you can travel as we did one day as guests of the Federal German Government from Bonn to East Berlin. You can see the taxi-driver, who could not be civil to us when he opened the door. When he knew no one was listening, he could not be too critical of the tyranny under which he lived. You should see that taxi-driver resume his exterior when he got back and found people could hear again.

God knows. I did not love all I saw in West Berlin—it is a honky-tonk town—but many of the appearances of a free economy are in it and at least there survives in it the right to protest, at least there survives the right to cry out for reform, the right of the people to say they will not tolerate evils any longer. That right does not exist on the other side of the Wall.

Because I have a passionate belief in the power of the truth I want to say something that will vex and annoy some of my friends in the Labour Party——

If we can interpret you, probably you might not.

I have great sympathy with the trade union movement because it is passing through a strange historical phase, not only here but in every other free country in the world. The trade unions grew up here, in Britain and even in the United States with the traditional role of championing the oppressed, frequently fighting vast, powerful vested interests in defence of the defenceless but they simply have not wakened up to the fact that that is not true any more.

It is, of course.

No. The mistake is that now the power has passed to the trade unions and the trade unions are struggling with a dilemma with which I have great sympathy, that is, they have discovered, or are in the process of discovering, that power carries with it appalling responsibility. I said here once before, and I shocked Deputy Corish because I do not think he understood what I meant, that there are only two classes of persons who lust for power. One are fools and the other harlots. The fools do not know that the acquisition of power carries with it the awful burden of responsibility: the harlots do not care.

In the course of the evolution of history or in the discharge of their public duties, the Fourth or Fifth Estate, whichever you choose to call them, the trade unions of this country and of Great Britain, are shouldering the burden of vast power and finding the burden of the corresponding responsibility a burden on which they cannot and will not turn their backs but which they find frightfully difficult to bear. I want to say something which I have no doubt may give some scandal to my colleagues on this side of the House in my own Party and to the members of Fianna Fáil : if trade union leaders are trying to explain the complexity of economics to the rank and file of their own members, whether in Marlborough Street or Liberty Hall, how can they ask a man with a wife and family, who is earning £10 or £12 a week, not to press a claim for more money to be spent on his wife and family when the Government are proclaiming that they intend to spend more and more and more? When he asks: "What are they spending it on?" the trade union leaders must say: "Part of it is for status increases for civil servants."

I yield to nobody in my admiration for civil servants and for the incomparable service they give this State, but, my goodness, what a catastrophic decision it was that last year, the year leading up to this critical situation in which we now stand, it was thought expedient to give status increases up to £900 a year—nearly £20 a week— to civil servants. I know that the increases of £900 a year were few and far between; I know that if you go over many ranks of civil servants and compare the purchasing power of their new salaries with the salaries they enjoyed in 1948 or 1929, the purchasing power today is really little or nothing larger than it was then. But what a time to choose to do it!

I want to repeat what I said before. The joint stock banks of this country are meant to be the pillars of orthodoxy in the field of economics. Deputies will observe certain chairmen of joint stock banks have expressed amazement at my animadversions on their dividend distribution policy. I want to say again that in this year that we are asking the trade union movement to preach economics to their members in Liberty Hall and Marlborough Street, that for the directors of the joint stock banks to increase their dividends to every shareholder they had, was, in my judgment, the apotheosis of irresponsibility and if they do not like that they can lump it, for it is certainly true. I know the trade unions have an essential contribution to make to the problems with which this country is confronted at present. I know also that if they are to be enabled to make that contribution, they must have help from the other sections of the community who should be as profoundly concerned with the future welfare of the country as we insist it is the duty of the trade unions to be. But I remind the members of the Labour Party that they have immense responsibilities and it is the failure to face them that has brought this very situation into existence in Great Britain with which leaders of the Labour Party there are now struggling and which is being used to bring discredit upon the trade union movement.

I have always recognised the Press as the Fourth Estate and the trade union movement in this day and age as the Fifth Estate in the commonwealth to which we all belong. Sometimes I wonder if we in the First or Second Estates or the Third Estate show all the responsibility we should. Sometimes I wonder if the Fourth Estate and the Fifth Estate do so. Certainly, we should make this common resolution: let us have no combination to advise one another if we are not prepared to set a good example ourselves. I do not think the Government, in the light of the Taoiseach's speech or of the bewildered query of the Minister for Finance: "What went wrong with my last Budget?" can feel they are doing their parts. I do not think the banks that are distributing increased dividends show a sense of responsibility. I do not quarrel with anybody making increased profits if they are the result of efficiency or superior service but I do find fault with enriching every shareholder at a time when you are asking every wage-earner to exercise restraint.

Hear, hear.

The truth is bitter but it is appropriate that it should be made known. It is enshrined in the mythology of Ireland that so great was the veneration of truth that it was believed that in the presence of falsehoods the very building in which they were uttered began to fall down and that the utterance of truth could arrest the decay.

Progress reported; Committee to sit again.
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