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Wednesday, 30 Mar 1966

Vol. 222 No. 2

Committee on Finance. - Resolution No. 12: General (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That it is expedient to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance.
—(Minister for Finance.)

Last night I was explaining the obligation on the Government to effect savings where they think it is possible to do so. I pointed out to those Deputies interested where these savings had been effected. I also pointed out that they could study these savings in the Estimates for Public Services, 1966-67. Despite the many savings effected, however, provision has been made for increased expenditure in many directions. To disprove statements made during this debate by Opposition Deputies that less and less money is being spent, I have picked out some of the items in which increases have taken place and I should like to bring them now to the notice of the House.

In Vote 38, Agriculture, there is an increase of £3,544,000. If interested Deputies will turn to page 106 they will find there under various headings the different increases. Under Research Work, subhead C.1, seed testing, propagation and certification, etc. there is an increase of £17,514. For veterinary research there is an increase of £23,690. Under subhead C.3—Subscriptions, etc., to international and other research organisations there is an increase of £4,749. World Food Programme (grant-in-aid) a sum of £150,000 is provided; this is a new item and, therefore, represents an increase in itself. Under Contribution to Irish Meat Association (grant-in-aid) there is an increase of £38,400.

I come now to Agricultural Education and Development. Under subhead D.1, Agricultural Schools and Farms, there is an increase of £17,088; Grants to Private Agricultural Schools, etc., there is an increase of £3,054; Trinity College, Dublin, School of Veterinary Medicine shows an increase of £15,000; University College, Dublin, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, an increase of £10,000; Additional Grants to University Colleges, an increase of £144,420; the total increase for 1966-67 under those headings alone is £305,000. Under Improvement of Live Stock, Milk Production, etc. there is an increase of £9,678; Improvement of Poultry and Egg Production, an increase of £11,946; Grants to County Committees of Agriculture, an increase of £49,500; Special Agricultural, etc., Schemes, £42,998. The total there is £304,528. Contributions to Irish Countrywomen's Association (grant-in-aid), the sum there is maintained at £8,000; contribution to Macra na Feirme shows an increase of £2,500 which brings the figure to £6,500. Under subhead I.5— An Foras Talúntais, there is a substantial increase of £92,720, bringing the total to £1,386,000. Under subhead K.7—Farm Buildings Scheme and Water Supplies—a very important item in the west of Ireland—there is an increase of £219,043, bringing the total to £2,427,204. Under Subhead K.8, Land Project, there is an increase of £172,062; this is another very important item in my constituency. The total estimate under this subhead for 1966-67 is £2,518,000. Lime and fertiliser subsidies show an increase of £15,000, bringing the total for 1966-67 to £4,860,000.

I could go on quoting increases. I just mention these to emphasise to Opposition speakers who have continually stated that the Government have no money and the Government are bust, that the Government are not bust and that more and more money is being spent. That is why we are here to vote for this Budget to provide extra money to the tune of £12,500,000 so that farmers and other sections of the community may benefit by these increases.

I should like to bring another very substantial increase to the notice of the Opposition; it is subhead K.19, Payments to Pigs and Bacon Commission, an increase of £550,000, bringing the total estimate to £2,350,000. I could go on down through every departmental Estimate and Vote to show the increases. In Industry and Commerce there is an increase of £1,760,700. On page 131 of the Estimates for 1966-67 there is an increase for An Foras Tionscal of £15,000 and for Córas Tráchtála there is an increase under subhead H of £100,000. That is an answer to the many false allegations of those Opposition Deputies who said that the Government are not interested in industry. Last night Deputy John A. Costello said that the increased taxation was going to affect industry and hinder production and that the Government were not interested in industry but we see in subhead R an increase of £2,499,990. This has been provided to help industrialists meet the levy put on by the British Government.

As we are dealing with industry, it is worth while to put on the records of the House a statement made by Deputy Dillon on 5th May, 1952, when he said that the tariff quota industries set up by Fianna Fáil were purely badly run relief works. Would he say that now to the thousands of people who are finding employment in the industries set up by Fianna Fáil? Opposition Deputies are fond of quoting statistics of unemployment and emigration but there would be many people unemployed today, if it were not for the industries set up by this Government.

It is a well-known fact that all over the world there is a big population shift from agricultural employment. We have that problem here but in it we are not different from any other country. This has been stated time and again by Ministers of our Government, that this is one of the problems we have here, that the people are leaving the land and going to seek employment in other places. If that alternative employment is not available for them here, all they can do is to emigrate to the other side of the Irish Sea or to America. That is where they went in 1956 and 1957 when there was no industrial employment available for them here, when the inter-Party Government ridiculed our industrial policy.

How many are unemployed now?

It is not necessary for Deputy L'Estrange to interrupt on every occasion.

Last night I showed Deputies the graph in the Irish Times Annual Review of December, 1965, where the page could not contain the graph showing the number of people who emigrated in 1957. To continue to illustrate the increases in the provisions for the creation of employment, I would like to state that in the Estimate for Transport and Power, which shows a total of £7,631,000, there is an increase of £21,900. I will read out some of these increases and if Opposition Deputies think the money is being illspent, they can say so and I will sit down. Under Vote 41 for tourist traffic, there is an increase of £64,000, bringing the total to £1,911,000. Under the heading of holiday accommodation, there is an increase of £245,000. Fine Gael Deputies do not like the tourist industry but I would like to remind them that if it were not for Fianna Fáil's industrial policy and the tourist industry, we would have many more people leaving the country and there would be very little employment in my constituency, and particularly in the town of Galway.

I would like to quote a very interesting report from the Irish Independent of 5th January, 1948, in which Deputy Dillon is reported as saying that he observed with amazement the astonishing collection of strange people crowding the hotels in Dublin and elsewhere, and that it was time we got rid of them in such terms as to ensure that none of their brothers would come to us in future. Deputy Dillon would not be very welcome in Galway if he made that statement in 1966. Deputy John A. Costello was reported in the Irish national newspapers of 18th December, 1947, as saying that the number of tourists and their total expenditure in the country must be controlled and reduced.

That was when the Fianna Fáil Government had not enough food to feed our own people.

The Deputy has not given the source of his quotation.

The Irish national newspapers.

The Deputy should quote the source.

The Irish Independent of 18th December, 1947. Would you like me to read it again?

Here it is:

The number of tourists and their total expenditure in this country must be controlled and reduced.

Another significant increase is in the vote for rural electrification where the increase is £103,000.

He said that he was quoting from the national newspapers and he was right.

Surely Deputies realise that interruptions are disorderly?

The Chair has a remedy, if I may suggest that.

The Chair has a remedy but I am loath to use it. Deputy L'Estrange will get an opportunity of making his own statement.

In the reports of Dáil Éireann that are sent to Deputies every week, it is interesting to note the number of interruptions by Deputy L'Estrange and Deputy Harte. They only contribute ignorant interruptions. Under Subhead O of the Estimate for the Department of Transport and Power, there is an increase of £103,200 for rural electrification. How many times have we had questions on the Order Paper asking to have the special charges removed or reduced?

Fianna Fáil called the Shannon Scheme a white elephant.

Deputy Harte must cease interrupting.

The Deputy is inviting interruptions.

If Deputy Harte does not cease interrupting, I will invite him to leave the House.

This is of great interest to the people in the west of Ireland. There is a total figure of £627,700 to assist the installation of electricity where it is most needed— the homes of rural Ireland.

What about the special service charges? Have they been increased, too?

Perhaps the Deputy was not listening to me so I shall tell him again about the many questions put down by me and by Opposition Deputies requesting some improvement in the situation regarding special service charges. We have increased the money for rural electrification which will help to speed up the installation of electric light in country homes. Of course, the Deputy will walk in and vote against it.

On primary education there has been an increase this year of £1,483,200—a wonderful increase in the amount of money provided for a service which is one of the worthiest on which the Government could spend money. It is an investment in the future of our people. During the past ten or 12 years, I have kept myself informed on questions relating to education and I have seen that in that period Fianna Fáil have always been anxious to give a better deal to the national teachers. A better deal has come in this Budget, which provides an increase for teachers' salaries of £1,397,000. This brings the total amount paid in salaries to teachers in primary schools to £15,975,000.

The cost of living will take care of that.

National teachers have got a great deal from Fianna Fáil. They know that Fianna Fáil are looking after them. For secondary education there has been a net increase in the Estimate of £1,138,700, and if the Deputy is interested, he can turn to page 82 of the Book of Estimates, Vote 30. There he will see an increase of £25,000 in laboratory grants and of £54,000 in scholarships and prizes, bringing the total now estimated to be spent on scholarships and prizes to £253,070. If Deputies wish to go in and vote against this increase, I wonder will they stand up at home and let it be known that they did so. Special courses are provided for secondary teachers and there is an extra sum of £5,450 towards this item.

One of the big increases shown in this Vote is in Subhead J., Building Grants to Secondary Schools, which has been increased by £115,000. This was never done by an inter-Party Government. In Subhead K. we are providing £402,000 extra for comprehensive schools. Perhaps the Opposition do not agree that we should spend this money; perhaps they will vote against it. Perhaps they would like to see the men who are at the moment engaged in constructing these buildings going without their pay. Otherwise, why will they vote against these things? There has been an increase of £45,460 in the Vote for vocational education. There is a sum of £38,850 extra provided for the training of vocational teachers and it is interesting to note that in Subhead E. we are continuing the contribution of £4,800 to Macra na Tuaithe.

The universities this year are to get an extra sum of £293,500, the total cost being estimated at £3,182,800. Speaking as a Deputy from Galway city, I should like to express the gratitude of the people of that city and of the authorities in the university for the substantially increased grant to the university which this year is £83,620 greater than in 1965-66. This brings the total Vote for Galway University to £355,000. I may say that I played my small part in having the attention of the Minister brought to the need for an increased grant to UCG. There have been other increases in this Vote. Our friends in University College, Cork are to receive £103,000 more and Trinity College is to receive £318,500 more. The annual grant under the Institute for Advanced Studies Act, 1940, has been increased by £3,920 to £137,290.

I do not wish to bore the members of the Opposition or the Government by continually quoting figures but I feel the truth is in the figures. I have given the figures relevant to the Departments under which the increases are to take place. There is another Department to which a substantial increase has been given and I feel it is of very great importance and worth recording in the Official Report. There has been an increase of £1,977,931 in the Vote for the Department of Health bringing the net total to a figure of £17,337,000. The grants to health authorities at £15.8 million represent an increase of £1,419,000 on last year's figures. One of the reasons for this increase is worth noting and is set out on page 183 of the Book of Estimates —supplementary grants to ensure that the amount of the improved net health expenditure falling on local rates in respect of the year 1966-67 will not exceed the amount in respect of the year 1965-66. The supplementary grants in this respect amount to £310,000. How often have we heard the cry: "Do something about the rates." Something is being done about the rates now and I wonder will members of the Opposition still go in and vote against this something that is being done. I know that this will mean something to the people of the west of Ireland who are so hard pressed.

The Deputy should know that rates everywhere have gone up this year.

The rates in Galway have not gone up due to health charges because of the action of the Government. On the question of local government, the Opposition members have been misinformed and have misquoted figures, as I explained last night. In that Vote, the figure of £8,551,450 represents an increase of £734,750 and if the Opposition Deputies read page 69 of the Book of Estimates they will see this is correct. However, let them do their own homework. I do not see why I should do it for them. Under the heading of local authority housing, there is to be an increase of £200,000.

Do not talk about housing.

There is to be an increase of £365,000 in grants for private housing, water supply and sewerage. Water supply and sewerage schemes show an increase of £110,000 and grants in respect of derelict sites, public amenity works and dangerous places show an increase of £8,000. An Foras Forbartha Teo. grant-in-aid shows an increase of £23,000.

My personal view is that it seems to be the ambition of the Opposition Parties that the money would not be spent. They do not wish to see progress or change except that implemented by themselves. It is not the country they are interested in but their own political ambitions. Rather than delay the House too long at this exercise of educating the Members of the Opposition——

The child educating the teachers. I see Deputy Carty smiling across at us.

I am smiling at Deputy Molloy's reference to educating the Opposition—an impossible task.

In the Estimate for 1966-67 for Social Welfare, there is an increase estimated at £6,695,000. That is quite a sizeable sum of money and if the Opposition members do not wish to see this money spent, let them get up and say so, or else come in and vote with us but they cannot have it both ways without being absolutely dishonest. As public representatives of the people, they are obliged to act in a responsible manner.

Hear, hear. We have never done otherwise

Under the heading of Social Welfare in the Book of Estimates for 1966-67, it can be seen quite clearly where this increase will be spent. Under Subhead E—Social Insurance—Payment to the Social Insurance Fund under section 39 (9) of the Social Welfare Act, 1952 there is an increase of £2,732,000. On page 179 of the Book of Estimates for 1966-67, a breakdown of this figure is shown. This money is needed to pay increases in disability benefits, marriage grants, maternity allowances and grants, treatment, old age (contributory) pensions, unemployment, widow's (contributory) pensions and orphan's (contributory) allowances. The excess of expenditure over income in the Social Insurance Fund is £12,450,000. If the Opposition think this is money thrown down the drain, they have an opportunity of voting against it and of speaking against the spending of this money. But let them not go before their own people and tell them that they are in favour of these things if they intend to come into the Dáil to speak against them and into the lobbies here to vote against them.

At page 175 of the same Book of Estimates for 1966-67, under the heading of Social Insurance, Old Age Pensions (Non-Contributory), there is an increase of £2,635,000. Children's allowances are up by £50,000. Unemployment assistance is increased by £813,000, widows' and orphans' non-contributory pensions are increased by £400,000 and miscellaneous grants by £14,000. Miscellaneous grants—for those Deputies who do not bother to make themselves conversant with such things—apply to grants to county councils, county borough councils, urban district councils and town commissioners, not exceeding half the sums spent out of the rates, for the provision of meals for children attending national schools. Very worthy work, but not to be voted for by the Opposition!

These increases in social welfare illustrate to the country and to this House the continuous efforts made by Fianna Fáil Governments to help the poor sections of our people, to relieve hardship in times of distress, such as sickness, unemployment, old age or, God forbid, in the event of the death of the breadwinner. This has been the policy of this Party for several years and it will always be so. I can assure this House I would not stand as a Fianna Fáil Deputy if I did not feel in my heart and soul this was their honest endeavour—to provide for the poor section as well to continue the growth in other spheres.

To provide them with Mercedes.

What about the shilling reduction on the old age pension?

Very few of the Deputies on this side of the House can afford to drive Mercedes cars. These Opposition Parties may wonder why they are not attracting the young people into their ranks and why, when they look up at me, they have to see my young face. It seems to hurt them very much that they have failed where Fianna Fáil have succeeded. I think the reason the young people are following Fianna Fáil and why we have been successful is that we have been consistently progressive and have never compromised. Now Fianna Fáil have won the confidence of the people. It is an organised Party, efficient, determined, competent, truly honest and truly representative of the people.

We have had the courage at all times to fulfil our promises even though we had to do it in face of unpopularity. It is very easy to govern with the wind but to stand up here and know what you are doing and do it is a different matter. That is what the people like in the long run and not the chasing of the hare we have seen when other Parties were in power. One of the great qualities of this Government is their great social conscience, clearly illustrated by the figures I have quoted. They have endeavoured, despite strong opposition, to gather in the moneys which they could distribute to the poorer sections of the community and help people in distress, as I have already emphasised. In this respect I should like to quote part of a speech made here on Tuesday last, 22nd March, volume 221, No. 12, column 1996, of the Official Report by the Minister for Health.

He said:

Every piece of legislation in this country advancing the status of the worker was introduced here by a Fianna Fáil Government.

He continued:

If anyone denies this I will sit down.

I was present in the House at the time. There was not a murmur, just as there is no talk now. There was dead silence. The Minister—he did not have to sit down—continued:

Every piece of social legislation has emanated from Fianna Fáil; the widows' and orphans' pensions, the blind pensions, the children's allowances, unemployment benefit, unemployment assistance, wet time insurance, holidays with pay. All these things have come from a Fianna Fáil Government and it will always be our ambition year in and year out to continue to ensure that the less well-off groups in our community, who are our primary consideration, are not forgotten, and that will never happen while a Fianna Fáil Government continues to administer the affairs of this country. It is our belief that the social welfare benefits in Ireland today are still insufficient and grossly insufficient.

That is what has won the confidence in this Government.

I spend quite a while listening in this House. I listened to very many of the debates on this Budget and the other economic debate which took place during the year. As a new Deputy—one who spends more time listening than speaking or interrupting—I can see the pattern emerging among the three Parties in this House. The Opposition criticise the Government for what they are doing in one breath and, in the next breath, they criticise the Government for not doing enough. No suggestions come from the Opposition except on how to spend more money. Yet, when the Government spend money, they are criticised, and when they save money, they are criticised.

We had the FCA training week heavily criticised. There was also criticism of the abolition of the Garda Band. All these matters were done with a view to saving the taxpayer's money. The Government effect savings and are criticised and, yet, when the Government introduce taxes to provide extra money in other ways, they are criticised, too. Unfortunately, the only conclusion to which I can come, studying this situation and sitting here on these back benches, is that the Opposition's contribution towards progress in this country is absolutely nil. Indeed, I would repeat for them a statement which appeared in an editorial in the Irish Independent on Monday of this week, 28th March, 1966:

Logic, not to mention fair play, requires that criticism should spring from knowledge.

It is an excellent statement and one which I admire and feel it is worth bringing into my speech to emphasise the manner in which the Opposition Parties have been acting here, in my observation.

The Deputy should read the 1957 debates.

Deputy Harte is here now but he was not here last night. He made the statement last week that so much information was being supplied to him by the Government— statistical data and other information on Government affairs that, if he were to read it all, he would not be able to do anything else.

When did I say that? I never said that at all.

The Deputy certainly did.

That is as accurate as the rest of the Deputy's speech.

He said you said it sitting down, not standing up.

It is probably true.

It is in the Official Report. We also read in the newspapers over the week-end of the absence of certain Deputies on the Opposition side of the House, especially those who had some professional business to do in all probability in more remunerative quarters than here. Those Deputies absent themselves and yet they come in here late in the evening as judges of Fianna Fáil, a Government who are continually working to bring about a better living for the people and who are not interested in being in office for purely selfish, personal reasons.

"Let Lemass lead on."

Indeed, it would make one wonder. Bringing all these factors together, one wonders how their criticism could spring from knowledge when they would not even take the time to study the situation or attend to their duties in the Dáil.

Is Deputy Molloy speaking from the depths of his ignorance? Apparently nobody knows anything but himself.

It is my personal opinion. If it hurts you, I am sorry. However, I have the right to express my opinion.

The cap fits yourself. The Deputy is a bit young to come in here lecturing older people.

Deputy L'Estrange should cease interrupting. If he wants to continue to listen to the debate, he must cease his interruptions.

I should like to refer now to some aspects of the economy which I feel are at the moment in need of attention——

That will take all day.

——and which may be the cause of some trouble in this difficult year ahead. I want to refer to the continuing demand for wage and salary increases. In this respect, I should like to say that, unfortunately, I must welcome the Government's responsible action in setting the figure of £1,200 as a possible limit beyond which wage and salary increases should not be granted in this year. From the figures and other relevant data which I quoted here last night, it is obvious that there is absolute need for restraint in every sector of the economy, especially in the better-off sector. There is need for restraint on the part of workers who are strongly entrenched and are getting a reasonable wage, within the ability of the economy if they are to earn further increases in the future. My view is that it will probably be up to January, 1967, before it will become possible for the economy to stand any substantial increase in wages. I would ask those people who are not really that badly off, who are looking for extra fringe benefits and extra increases in salaries, to restrain themselves for the sake of the country and to hold back and make some sacrifice because, in times of difficulty, sacrifice is needed. It will be in the interests of everybody if restraint is exercised now. The rewards can be reaped in the not too distant future, and my forecast is January, 1967.

There are very many people in the lower income group who, in my opinion, must get increases and who deserve them. I think this is the opinion of the Government, too.

What about the civil servants who got increases up to £20 a week.

The poorer section of the community are entitled to some increase and this must be negotiated. Any employer who is paying a married man with a family less than £10 a week is not carrying out his Christian duty to pay a just wage.

He can scarcely earn a living wage at present, owing to taxation. The Deputy has very little knowledge.

There are employers who are well able to carry a just wage, if one is to judge by the returns they are issuing. They should be obliged to remunerate their employees in a just manner. There is another section of the community to which I feel attention should be directed and that is those employers who employ young girls aged 14 to 16 years and pay them £2 to £3 a week. Those employers say that these girls are doing only light work. I would point out to them that what they call "light work" can be the greatest physical and mental strain on young people because of its boring, repetitive nature and lack of challenge. I feel that some of these employers who are getting away with this kind of thing in present-day Ireland are actually slave-drivers and should be rooted out and exposed.

There is an industry in Kilcock which Deputy Molloy might start.

I do not hold with employers who are slave-drivers or profiteers. I recommend the trade unions to investigate these matters. The worst aspect of this type of employment—it has been brought to my notice on several occasions—is that these people are interested only in paying a slave wage to girls aged between 14 and 16 years. Once they become 17 or 18 years of age, they will sack them at the slightest excuse in order that they may employ, in their stead, young girls of 14 years and pay small wages again. These employers know that if the girls are kept up to 17 or 18 years of age they will, in time, make demands for reasonable wages. People ask why the trade unions do not do something about it. The unfortunate situation is that these employers will not employ people who are members of a trade union.

The Deputy should have a talk with one of his colleagues about Kilcock. He should display more action than talk.

Deputy Molloy, without interruption.

Another group of workers who work very hard, who do not know a 40-hour week, who do not know the fringe benefits we heard Deputy Treacy talk about last night, are hotel workers who are on duty from 8 a.m. until 11 p.m. and midnight. They are a lot better paid than they were ten years ago. I know this from my own experience as I once worked in an hotel. I started at 9.30 a.m. and I finished at 11.30 p.m., with two half hours off for lunch and tea. That was 13 hours a day, seven days a week, for £3 a week. Things are not as bad now. In the hotel industry they are getting fairly good wages. It is very difficult to set out a schedule of work because of the nature of the work and because it is seasonal. Efforts should be made to improve the working conditions of hotel workers.

(Interruptions.)

I will not deny that the farm worker is underpaid. Certainly he is underpaid. This is another injustice in our society. These men are employed for a few pounds a week and their keep.

(Interruptions.)

One of the causes of the labour shortage—and this is reflected in the fall in the acreage of beet this year—is the small wage paid to farm labourers. These men are not paid sufficient wages, and this increases the trend towards leaving agricultural employment. This is a serious problem. Like the industrialists, the farmers should play fair with the men who are working for them. They should keep them informed as to how things are going on the farm. They should get them interested and give them some form of incentive, because if the worker is not brought into the farm management, and is there to collect his small wage at the end of the week only, it is very hard for him to maintain his interest and to give of his best.

This has been clearly illustrated on Telefís Éireann—and I congratulate them—in the excellent programme, The Riordans, where they are doing exactly what I am saying, and exactly what I should like every other farmer in the country to do. This programme shows an excellent relationship between the farmer and his labourers, and that is a very good example that should be followed by every farmer in rural Ireland. The farmers will not lose their workers if they treat them as human beings and as part of the farm enterprise.

I do not want to go into detail about nurses. There are tremendous improvements that could be carried out in that sphere. There are many other sections of the community who are underpaid, and it is the ambition and the policy of the Fianna Fáil Government to get fair play for those people. I would recommend to the trade unions to help the people who are grossly underpaid. Indeed, they would be much more appreciated if they concentrated on eliminating injustices in Irish society rather than trying to look after the well-entrenched section who are well paid, and trying to reduce their working week.

Last night Deputy Treacy mentioned the 40 hour week. If he wants that now, what will he want this time next year and the year after? If we follow that to its natural conclusion, a man should eventually get £100 a week for doing no work. We should all be a little more responsible. I agree that we must reduce the working week to a certain extent, but I am not too sure that I am in agreement with the fiveday week. I do not know if it is in the best interests of the country. I think it came too soon. I would ask those people to show restraint and to have some consideration for what the economy can bear.

It is very important that the workers in industry should be educated as to what exactly is happening around them and not go with blank minds demanding more money for less work. I met people who were involved in strikes and I said to them: "I hear you are on strike. What is it all about?" They could not explain why they were on strike. They did not know. They just knew that they had to go with the rest or they would be called scabs or some other word.

Did the Deputy interview them in Galway or Dublin, or where?

All over the country. There is another aspect of this industrial difficulty which is being negotiated at present. Quite recently I had discussions with three or four men and I asked them what exactly they were looking for; was it a reasonable demand; did they feel the economy could bear it; did they feel they were entitled to the increase? They did not know. They did not know what they were demanding, or what the union was demanding for them. All they knew was that if it went through they would get more money. Everyone should be more educated in these matters.

The Deputy can say that again.

Despite what Deputy Corish said yesterday, there have been quite a number of strikes, and threatened strikes, and unofficial strikes in the past year. That cannot be denied, and it reflects not only on the workers but primarily on the employers. There are some employers who are not prepared to negotiate. They pay their workers as little wages as possible. The employers must be prepared to put the facts before the workers. If they are Christian people, and if they are interested in the lives of their workers, they will do this and they will not be ashamed to do it.

I know a big employer who refused to join the Federated Union of employers because, he told me, he did not agree with what they are doing. I have no axe to grind for the FUE or the Irish Transport Union or any other union. I am here to express my own opinion, as I see it, and to say what my constituents think about these things. I say there are definitely faults on both sides.

(Interruptions.)

Deputy Harte should cease interrupting. Standing Orders are being broken.

No one will decry the man who makes reasonable demands, but if we had more negotiations and more open discussions on the full facts between workers and employers, we would have less difficulty and fewer disputes. Most of the blame can be put on the employers' side, because they are the people who have to give in the end. If the unions make unreasonable demands which are not related to the ability of the firm in question to pay, eventually they will injure themselves. I would not blame an employer who refused to negotiate with people like that.

The employers must keep their workers informed. An employer who is afraid to show his balance sheet, or to tell his workers what profit he is making, is either paying his workers an unjust wage, or making an excess profit. There are many industrialists who would be delighted to publish their accounts every year. There are some employers who are making a very small profit and in some cases there are firms which are making no profit at all. Any employer who is afraid to show his accounts must be guilty of making excessive profits or paying unjust wages.

There is special mention in this Budget of the £100,000 which is to be spent on special services in the west of Ireland. The problems of the west are many and varied. Indeed, Government aid alone cannot solve them. Last week Deputy O'Hara described some of the scenes in the towns in Mayo and he mentioned in passing that I could bear out what he said, that I knew the people nearly as well as he did. The only thing that was wrong with the speech was that it was obviously blueprinted for the Western People and in every second sentence he blamed the Fianna Fáil Government. I pointed out to Deputy O'Hara that I met a man in Crossmolina very similar to the man Deputy Dillon met in the station in Swinford. This man was earning £20 a week in the Bellacorick power station. He told me he was on his way to England the next day. I asked him why and he said he did not really know but that he was going anyway. I ask Deputy O'Hara would he blame Fianna Fáil for this.

The cost of living chased him.

I pointed out to him that he was in a very privileged position earning £20 a week in a small town in the west of Ireland. He was living at home and even if he got bigger money in England, he could never save as much money, in those circumstances, as he could at home. He did not show any interest. I quoted this instance to Deputy O'Hara and when I looked up the Official Report afterwards on that occasion, I found he said: "Deputy Molloy is referring to a little patch of temporary prosperity." I would suggest, when Deputy O'Hara made that statement, that he himself was suffering from a little patch of temporary mental instability because if he did not realise that this young man is typical of the young people being reared on small western farms in isolated areas, he is not aware of the facts and he is not facing up to the issue he sees before him.

The Deputy must know that young people will go where there is something happening. They will go where they think the amenities are. Modern science has provided very many amenities now in cities and the bigger towns and it is only natural that young people, especially now when they are more educated, will be attracted to the greater amenities. Possibly it will take them some time to realise their mistake when they go to England and try to rear a family. As we know, very many of them, at that stage, are very anxious to come back. Young people have this urge to go away. It seems to me to be the breed of every one of us who comes from the west. I went to Scotland but I came back after a sojourn there. I did my stint of emigration like everybody else. Everyone who goes has that desire to come back.

There is a very big responsibility to try to provide something in this country which will keep the people here, whether it is in their own countryside, living at home beside where they were brought up or in the bigger towns. I feel, as far as the west is concerned, a very progressive step was made when the Government announced they would set up in Galway city an industrial estate. This, to my mind, is part of the solution. Where you have a growth centre you can help the growth and you can attract people there who, at the moment, are leaving the rural areas and going straight to England. We should try to attract them into the growth areas in Ireland and not try to set up artificial growth centres. It would be a waste if money were poured into schemes which are doomed to failure before they start. It is difficult enough to make the right decision but here you have a growth centre and I would advise the Government to concentrate on those areas, to enlarge them and make them attractive for our young people. This would satisfy their desire to move where the amenities are. It would keep the young people near their own homes so that they can go home at the weekends. They could rear their children in the environment, or near the environment, in which they were reared themselves.

The raising of the standard of living of small farmers in the west of Ireland, to my mind, depends on a greater awareness among the people of the part they themselves must play. Each farmer must strive to increase his own productivity. They can best do this by working together and cooperating more closely with the Government services available, especially with their agricultural adviser. There are very many farmers, to my knowledge, who do not know all the services and grants which are presently available from Government sources. Indeed, like the workers and management in industry, they must co-operate with those services and avail of them in order to achieve increased productivity. There is a very big obligation on farmers not to be complacent, to try to advance themselves and avail of every opportunity to educate themselves and to make greater use of the resources and the assets which they have on their land.

I know a lot of what I have said may not have been liked by the Opposition Members but I say it as a Deputy who was elected here from the west. I feel a lot of time in this House has been wasted by ridiculous quotations of statistics——

The Deputy has quoted more than anyone.

——especially when they are irrelevant to any one fact. I feel, if we are to make any progress, a lot of the lead, the leadership, the guidance and the control must come from this Chamber here because everyone who comes in here comes from a different part of the country and must be representative of the area from which he comes. If this is the way we are going to carry on, I feel it will only slow us up. If we make progress, it will possibly be despite ourselves. I wish to conclude on that note and to thank the Opposition for listening to me.

I have listened for a long time to another western Deputy. I can assure this House that if we are to believe everything he said here this morning for the last hour and for some time last night, we would go home quite satisfied that the country was in a very sound financial position. Deputy Molloy, to my mind, has spent a lot of his time reading the books sent out by Fianna Fáil, with all the rosy figures pointing to the great prosperity that was here and the prosperity that was coming, but, to my mind, he must be visiting some of the great hotels which have been built by Fianna Fáil and which give great entertainment to many of our tourists. I see we have many decent Fianna Fáil Deputies who have not even attempted to speak on this Budget, for the very reason that they know, as well as we do, by going through their constituencies, that the position is far from what has been quoted by Deputy Molloy.

I want to say a few words on the Budget. I do not intend to say a lot but this is an opportunity which we get of speaking on behalf of our constituents and it is our duty to come here and, for the sake of information for the Government, to point out the position as it is down in the west. I come from Sligo-Leitrim and I live in the very centre of my constituency. As I am a member of the county council, I can assure you I have a fairly good knowledge of what conditions are like both in Sligo and in Leitrim. I am continually in touch with these people there. If I were to read as much as Deputy Molloy, I would see very little of it.

We learn that since last year, the cost of running this country of ours has increased by £12 million. We must ask ourselves what has caused taxation here to go up by £12 million.

Fianna Fáil Government.

Even with Fianna Fáil Government, we must ask ourselves what is being done about housing, about roads leading to farmhouses, about increasing farm produce, about providing greater employment for small farmers anxious to earn money to augment their small incomes. For years we have been talking about housing and now we have reached the stage when section 5, as it is known to local authorities, is very much spoken of but in my county alone after two or three years, all we have got is, I think, 24 or 25 houses. There must be something desperately wrong when taxation has gone up by £12 million and reached a total of almost £1 million a day and we still have Deputies from constituencies like mine saying they can see no progress.

Let nobody think that I am trying to make political propaganda. I can assure Deputies that if they come to my constituency they can see the position for themselves. Only one section of the community, the poorest and most neglected group, the old age pensioners who have nothing to their name other than being in receipt of 47/6d. a week which will increase by 5/- next November, have benefited by the Budget. I wonder how they can survive on 47/6d. a week if they live in a town in a rented room and have to buy everything except daylight. A social welfare officer to whom I spoke before the last Budget admitted he did not understand how they managed. He said he had asked one old age pensioner this question—and the cost of living has gone up since then—and she said that she bought half the commodities she required in one week and the other half the following week and tried as best she could to keep going.

You think about them only when you are in Opposition.

I am quoting a social welfare officer who has far more experience than either the Deputy or myself. He was a Government supporter but we spoke in a broadminded way. He said that some weeks she might have 4d. over and the next week might be 4d. short. That is as true as that I stand in those Benches.

It is rather peculiar that if there is this great wave of prosperity, about which Deputy Molloy spoke, Fianna Fáil are still not prepared to hold the local elections on the same day as the Presidential election and so save £120,000. If that amount were distributed to the group I have mentioned, it would make a considerable difference to them but when it comes to Budget day, we cannot afford it. Yet we can afford to postpone the local elections not only until October, but as I now understand, until June, 1967. There is something definitely wrong there and I fear that the rosy picture——

They do not want to suffer two defeats in the one year.

Only for the Constitution, they would postpone the Presidential election also.

The chorus continues, even when their own men are speaking.

There was a time when they would even break the Constitution.

The grant of £100,000 being given by the Minister for Agriculture for western farmers may seem a big figure to the Minister but if he were to go down the country—he was in Castlebar once or twice—and meet the various county councils and committees of agriculture, he would come back satisfied that the £100,000 is only a drop in the ocean. You can have £50,000 buried in a half mile of road and yet we have the Minister boasting about this £100,000. for the small farmers in the West. As another Deputy described it, it is only a halfpenny in the pound. If that is the only way of stemming emigration, I fear the Minister will have to come again with a bigger sum.

This time last year we were in the middle of an election campaign and everywhere and in every paper and from every Fianna Fáil supporter we heard nothing but: "Let Lemass Lead On." Many carried badges with this slogan implying that everything would be all right, that we should not change horses in mid-stream. The pattern of life has changed considerably since then. We thought we were in a time of progress but the picture has changed and there is no such talk now. We are told to go slow and it is now admitted that there is a credit squeeze. It took a long time for some responsible officials to admit that.

Some Ministers have not admitted it yet.

The Minister for Local Government in his last circular to county councils has admitted it.

It is the first time he has done so.

Deputy McLaughlin should be allowed to make his speech.

Fianna Fáil representatives spoke on television telling the people about the state of the country and the attacks made on them by the Opposition. They said that if Fine Gael faced up to their responsibilities, they should tell Fianna Fáil where to effect remedies and make economies. Fianna Fáil have been in power since 1932, except for a few short periods, and if we now have to tell them about the condition of the country and what they should do, it is high time for Fianna Fáil to hand over to somebody capable of doing their job. It should not be necessary for us to advise them and tell them about the condition of roads as we find them in many western counties. After 50 years, I think first consideration should be given to the people who have worked hard and made a decent contribution to the State in all these years. They have paid high rates and met their commitments all through and yet thousands of them are left with roads that are a disgrace, leading to their houses while we have no hesitation in spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on main roads that are in reasonably good condition. A sum of £50,000 is spent on a road that could carry the traffic for another five years. We should concentrate on the roads that are in the worst condition.

Now I come to the question of drainage. The Government would get greater production from the land if drainage were carried out and that would lead to a better Budget. There are thousands of acres in my constituency alone, lying along big rivers or tributaries, which are subject to flooding. What is being done about it? Apart from one river, I know of no drainage being carried out at the present moment. In the past the smaller rivers were drained under the Rural Improvements Scheme but, as a result of the squandering of money, the Rural Improvements Scheme had to be suspended and applications received up to October last are on a waiting list.

I always advocated the Rural Improvements Scheme in connection with my constituency and will do so when the scheme is brought into operation again. Through that scheme, relief was given to the small farmer whose land was subject to flooding, employment was provided and there was a great incentive to do the job well because there was a local contribution invested in it. I deeply regret the suspension of that scheme. As a result of that scheme, drains were opened, pipes were cleaned, by-roads were improved, hedges cut. The result was an improvement of the locality and the creation of employment. Admittedly, it might be only short term employment but it was of assistance. Attention must be given to local problems if people are to remain in rural areas. The fact that help is not forthcoming to deal with local problems or to improve localities will cause people to consider emigrating.

It should be mentioned that the persons to whom I refer are paying a rate of £3 9s in the £. Having regard to the fact that the population of a village may be small and trade negligible, such a rate imposes hardship. If the Government do not take action in that constituency and in the west generally to improve matters, I warn them that, regardless of the rigmarole of figures given by Deputy Molloy in this debate, the people will go.

Let us consider the question of emigration. No man who has a wife and family will think of emigrating if conditions are reasonably good at home. A man who is living in a peaceful area amongst his neighbours, in the house where his parents lived before him, has no desire to emigrate and will not do so unless it is impossible for him to make a living on his small farm or in the village. Only recently I met a man and his wife in a local town who told me that they were unable to meet their commitments and keep clear of debt and that the rising cost of living meant that they would have to consider emigrating, that they had only a small farm. Most of the people of whom I am speaking have only small farms and the same will apply in their case if some relief is not forthcoming.

There is another group of people who are hard hit. They are men who work at forestry or road work. The day had arrived when these lads were able to run a car. Now a car in respect of which they were paying £14 tax will be taxed at the rate of £18 and they will have very little left out of £1 when they buy three gallons of petrol —2/8 or something like that. The man who was running a car or had a notion of buying a car will be very cautious. I can visualise that some of the lads will leave the cars at home and will move on because they will not be able to meet the cost of running them.

It would be well for the Government to consider the effect of taxation on villages and depopulated areas. As I have said, the rate in Sligo is about £3 5s in the £ and in Leitrim it is £3 9s. If something is not done to curtail the rise in rates, there will be fewer ratepayers.

There are a great number of complaints about schools being closed. I have been a member of this House for about five years. Since I came into the House, I have been making representations to the Department of Education to have school repairs carried out. The policy of closing small schools is a result of so many schools having been neglected and being unfit. The Department, therefore, had to prepare a scheme whereby one school would cater for the children attending three small schools. I suppose that would eliminate a lot of trouble and would save the Department having to carry out repairs. The policy of closing schools is not meeting with a good reception. The Department should have faced up to the problem of preserving small schools which played such a useful part in the community in the past. If they had done so we would not now have the problem we have to face.

Reference has been made to the ESB. If the Government want people to remain in rural areas, they must ensure that ESB supply is available to them. I make representations to the Sligo office very often in regard to exorbitant charges imposed in cases where the consumer lives a distance from the main supply. The ESB is a paying proposition. Persons who are off the beaten track should get special consideration rather than a special charge. Having regard to the taxes imposed on him, no farmer can pay exorbitant charges for ESB supply.

The many disabilities under which rural people have to live are responsible for widespread discontent and emigration. People cannot meet increased taxation and the other demands out of the profits made on small farms. In passing, I should like to say that I am often asked to make representations to the Department in regard to the £15 subsidy on heifers. It is a pity that when people qualify for this subsidy, it should be withheld from them and that they should have to make representations to a county councillor or a TD.

Acting Chairman

Would the Deputy keep his remarks more general as he is getting down to something which is more appropriate to an Estimate?

I agree, but due to the increased taxation, I think it is relevant to suggest that these payments should be made quickly. The same would apply if a man was to buy a cow for £70 in March and suggest that he should pay for it in September. Recently a very substantial increase was given to a group of people who are already well paid, civil servants. Senior civil servants are well paid but recently some of them got an increase of £500 and some went up by £900. If an attempt is being made to effect economies, this is far from being a good time to give such increases. There are many people still who have been disappointed because they have got nothing at all.

I remember making representations on behalf of an Old IRA man who suffered considerably during the troubled times and because he did not happen to be in the thick of the trouble during the last three months, he did not get a pension. He was always a Fianna Fáil supporter but I always felt that regardless of whether or not he had been there during the last three months, he was entitled to a pension. There are many like him and it is a pity that this small group should be so neglected. Recently I received a letter from the Department in regard to a 14/- or 15/- increase—I agree that he has unemployment benefit——

Acting Chairman

The Deputy is again inclined to speak about matters which would be more appropriate to an Estimate.

I will soon be finished, Sir, and you will not have any trouble with me.

Acting Chairman

In the meantime, the Deputy might keep to the Budget.

We are constantly being told about the great progress we are making, but how can we claim that there is progress when 14,000 people left the land within the past couple of years? In addition, there are 160,000 fewer people in employment than there were in 1951. Is this what we call progress? It is high time the Government forgot about big spending and big schemes which are reaping very little reward. I am a great believer in having good roads but I would leave roads which are in a reasonably good state as they are for the moment. Instead, I suggest that in the rural areas the county councils should be given a substantial grant for making roads to the houses of small farmers. Being a small farmer myself, I can assure the House that if this were done, the people would willingly stay at home and make their contribution towards the running of the country.

Acting Chairman

Deputy O'Connor.

Is there something wrong?

Three Fianna Fáil Deputies have been called between last night and today.

Every second one.

Since when?

Have we not got half the Deputies in the House?

It will be a long time before we make any agreement again. We were not told this when the agreement was made.

Must there be two Fine Gael speakers to one Fianna Fáil speaker?

No, there are the Labour speakers. The same happened last evening.

In rising to speak on this debate, I am actuated by the contribution made by Deputy P. O'Donnell last night. He proceeded to go back to 1932 and he made a fleeting reference to a free trade area, or a free trade position, that existed with Britain up to 1932. He never really told us what he was getting at because he left the picture hanging in the air. I do not know whether he intended to infer that conditions at that time were such that they should never have been changed. For the benefit of the Deputy, I will go back to 1924. There are very few in this House who lived through that time who are in a position to talk about it today. At that time the standard wage in rural areas was 12/- a week. In the old Great Southern Railways at the time, the employees of which were, as far as I can remember, members of the National Union of Railwaymen, the wage structure up to 1932, and indeed up to 1936, was 27/6 a week for the ordinary yardsman or railway porter, 32/6 for a signalman and 36/- for storemen or storecheckers. That was the top bracket. It was stated here in answer to a question the other day that the £ today would purchase the equivalent of goods to the value of 5/1 as compared to 1924. If we are to equate that with the relevant wage structure at that time, the ordinary railway yardsman would be earning £5 10s. 0d., the signalman, £6 10s. 0d., and the checker £7 4s. 0d. I give those figures to show younger Deputies how far we have come. We have a position now to be proud of, even though at present things have gone wrong. The resilience and ability of the Irish nation to lift itself up is always there, and this can be proved again if we can get the co-operation of all our people, particularly of those opposite.

The Land Commission wage at that time, the only other one by which you could judge the wage structure, was 24/- and that continued, I think, until 1934 or 1936. Deputy O'Donnell spoke about the production of butter, pigs and cattle. The price of butter in the Kerry markets at that time was 4d per pound and 4½ per pound for separated butter which was the top quality.

Which Deputy O'Donnell said that?

Deputy P. O'Donnell. I mentioned that at the outset. I am not reflecting on anything he said but I would like to give the picture that existed at that stage. I was connected with the trade in those days and I know those figures to be correct. We produced then two-fifths of the butter we produce today, and at the same time we had to export 75 per cent of it in order to import the commodities we required. Even at 4d or 4½ per pound our people could not afford to eat the butter. I worked with many people in the farming community at the time and we did not get butter because the farmer could not afford to put it on the table. That was the position that existed under the free trade of those years. I remember in 1931 I had come back from England to find a very progressive farmer in my own area producing pigs which we termed the one-and-a-half hundredweight pig live-weight. He took them to the market at Killorglin where they were available at 30/- each.

They were a lot worse in 1936.

I am just giving the conditions. I give all due credit to the Government of the day for some of the things they did, particularly the Shannon Scheme. It was foresight to have established an undertaking of that kind in those days. I asked Deputy O'Donnell last night if he were trying to project a picture of favourable conditions in those days. I asked him the reason for the reduction of 1/- in the old age pension. The Deputies of the day, who were not dependent on 10/- a week, did not reduce their own salaries. They took it from the old age pensioners. Deputy O'Donnell's reply was that this was necessary to build up the country and repair whatever damage was done by some of our supporters. I am sure the old age pensioner who had to contribute this 1/-, or their relatives today, feel proud of that contribution. Is it any wonder that the country, particularly the poorer sections, cannot have any faith in the people opposite who have that heritage and who from 1932 onwards have opposed and rejected every effort to industrialise the country? They stated in 1938 or 1939 that the industries established and licensed here were only cobblers' shops and harness makers' shops and were not industries at all. Those were the industries that enabled us survive through the war years, industries like the turf development industry which enabled us to keep neutral in a dangerous moment of crisis.

I can take anything said by the Opposition members—many of them are very decent people—so long as it is constructive; but when they attempt to damage the nation, I hold it is not the duty or the right of anybody to sabotage the efforts of our people. We are in the middle of a difficult situation. I would not attempt to make any excuse or hide our problems. We will have to use every bit of knowledge and energy we have to get out of these difficulties. But we can do so. If we do not unite in this House to try to find the answer, another 100,000 or 150,000 people will be compelled to go. The people in the front-line trenches are the very small shopkeepers and small landholders. The very poorer sections are looked after to some extent and they will be able to carry on. But the small shopkeepers in the rural towns and the smallholders with five or six cows cannot afford to pay the rates and meet all the other demands on them. Something has to be done. If we face up to the problem and unite, I believe we can solve it.

It is unfortunate that we had to meet this 12 per cent wage increase and the status increases. We had a Minister telling us here that the Civil Service section alone cost £10 million. It is estimated that local authorities got a further £3 million and State bodies another £1 million. That is £14 million taken out of the production pool by a body which, in the strict sense of the word, is non-productive. They do not produce the basic materials necessary to earn that money. If that £14 million had been expended on the weaker sections of our economy, it would have made a vast difference. I do not know what can be done at this stage to remedy the position. Certainly, this pressure of organised groups to scrape what they can out of the existing pot will have to stop if we are to survive. Otherwise, they will bring down the house of cards and we will all be faced with having to take much less. But our problems can be solved if we get together and tell the people that the lifeblood of the nation is at stake, that they will have to try to save more in order to meet the necessary demands to keep the economy going.

Deputy McLaughlin commented on old age pensioners trying to exist on 47/6d a week. If the Deputy's county council are doing their job, another 12/6d should be added to that. The poorest section, those old age pensioners without any means, should be getting the supplemental 12/6d. It is Deputy McLaughlin's duty to see that they get it.

One section of our producers not getting their due share are the fishermen. There is a vast potential off our coasts if it is organised and developed on modern lines so that the fish are landed and processed here. There are plenty of foreign markets, provided the fish is available. Much more money must be channelled into the production side in order to increase exports of fish, a very natural source of wealth for the economy and the nation.

There must be a check to rising rates in local authorities. In the Kerry County Council, I tried to bring a halt to increased rates this year. I suggested that the county council should do a small bit of paring under every heading. I referred particularly to the matter of health as regards the different hospitals, and I thought a saving of about £10,000 could be brought about. Unfortunately, a council member stood up and said I was trying to hit the poorest of our people. That was not my intention. Every year we allocate a certain sum and we find at the end of the year we have overspent and have to find an extra two shillings in the coming year. Some form of control must be exercised by the Minister for Health to bring about an easement of that position and to obviate the increases that have taken place from year to year above the amount allocated in the rates. The Minister for Finance should do something to help in that direction.

I should like to appeal to Deputies both on the far side of the House as well as on this side to bring home to our people, wherever we speak, at the crossroads or at the meetings of public bodies, the necessity for being careful at this stage. Many of our younger people are looking for motor cars. I have seen as many as four motor cars outside labourers' cottages. People are entitled to have them undoubtedly but, with hire purchase facilities, things are made too easy and people who have a wage of only £7 or £8 a week are trying to keep a car going. It costs an average of about £4 to run a car, even if it is used only at odd times. In my young days we could not even afford a bicycle, and they were cheap then. We must do our best to stop the terrific pressure that exists throughout the country from all our people for more money, more State help, more wages. Unless there is increased production to justify increased wages, we can only end up in a crash which will have disastrous results for the nation.

While I was somewhat interested in the comparisons which the previous speaker made in regard to present day wage rates and those of many years ago, one of them needs some comment from me. I refer to the formula which he adopted for comparing present wage rates with wage rates in the 1920s and 1930s. It is far from acceptable to give the value of the £ in 1924, we shall say, and its present value, and to equate the wages in 1924 with those of the present year. That is not the method by which present wage rates should be adjusted or on which present wage rates should be termed to be good wages.

I did not suggest that should be the wages of today.

I am glad to hear the Deputy say that. I had the impression he was trying to justify present wage rates by using that formula.

I was trying to convey that if the free trade position were accepted here, that is what the wage would be.

I hope that formula will not go outside this House because it would not help the present position. To come to the Budget proper, this Budget of 1966 has been repeatedly described, and rightly described, both inside and outside this House, as the take-all and give-very-little or give-nothing Budget. It provides for an extra increase in taxation of £12,500,000, and this £12,500,000 is to pay not for increased or better services but simply for the mistakes of bad government over the past couple of years.

One of the most frightening aspects of this increase in taxation is that it does not provide for urgent and necessary improvements in the various services. It does not provide for the improvements necessary in housing, health, education, industry and many other important services. It is also frightening to think that in order to provide these necessary services extra taxation will have to be found.

One of the worst hit services is housing. It is sad to think that although this House spent the past six months debating a Housing Bill and the many worthwhile proposals put into that Bill. it is not worth the paper it is written on because the money is not available to implement the various improvements outlined in it. The local authorities have got their allocations for housing for the next 12 months. If the other local authorities have got a similar allocation to that which Kilkenny Corporation and Kilkenny County Council have received, then the out-look in the next 12 months for an increase in house building, both in the local authority sector and the private sector, is very bad. Kilkenny Corporation, who have under their jurisdiction 11,000 people, have been allocated in the coming 12 months an amount which will provide for about eight houses at the most. For supplementary reconstruction grants, they have been allocated £1,200 and a sum of £5,000 for house purchase and house building loans. That amount will barely cover the provision of two houses in the next 12 months.

Now that is the picture throughout the length and breadth of the country. For years people have been waiting for houses, living in flats, and sometimes in hovels, and paying exorbitant rents. They have been given no hope of any kind of any improvement in their position in the next 12 months. That is the bitterest disappointment to the hundreds of thousands who have been on the waiting list of every local authority for the past four or five years. Some of them are paying up to £2 and £3 a week for one or two rooms. Some are paying doctor's bills and hospital bills because of poor health arising out of lack of proper accommodation and proper amenities. Something will have to be done to make money available for such an essential service as housing. I understood the Government were putting their priorities right in this situation in which they find themselves without any money. Housing should come first, in my opinion, and, if it is first, God help the other priorities that come after it.

This shortage of money will hit the building trade in general very seriously. There will be a cut back in both the reconstruction and the erection of houses. It is inevitable that large scale unemployment will occur in the building trade in the next few months.

A good deal of discussion on this Budget has been devoted to wage and salary increases and industrial unrest. The NIEC Report advocated the introduction of an incomes policy covering all incomes. If the Government are not willing to introduce an incomes policy, then they should not meddle in wage negotiations. Neither should they have interfered in the negotiations towards the end of last year and in the beginning of this year. The Taoiseach and other Ministers have advocated wage restraint and an increase of three per cent. That interference by Ministers has done nothing but harm. It has added to the industrial unrest in many parts of the country. If the Government are not willing to introduce an incomes policy on the lines suggested in the NIEC Report, then they should not try to influence any wage agreement. Apart from not accepting the NIEC recommendations, they did exactly the opposite to what this council advised them to do.

Lowly-paid workers who got an increase of 12 per cent two years ago benefited in most cases by no more than £1 per week. These workers could justifiably have claimed an increase 12 months ago but they restrained themselves, as did the trade union movement, from asking for such an increase until the expiration of the National Wage Agreement. These workers who suffered so patiently for the past two years are now being told that they can look forward to no more than a three per cent increase.

It is time some headline was set where lowly-paid workers are concerned. People who are not in a strong bargaining position and who are existing on a starvation wage should get the benefit immediately of some formula to provide them with a decent wage. An incomes policy as such would be of little help to them because such a policy would apply more to the larger groups of workers with better incomes. Some form of compensation will have to be provided for the married man with a take home wage of £7, £8, £9 or even £10 per week.

The best examples of the way these workers are treated will be found in local authorities and Government Departments. I refer in particular to county council road workers and to the non-nursing staffs in hospitals. The average wage of an adult male employee is £7 per week. How a man can live on that passes my understanding. Many attempts have been made in the past 12 months to improve the lot of domestic workers in hospitals and wardsmen. All efforts have been ignored by the responsible Minister, by the county managers and by the others responsible. A White Paper should be issued outlining an approach which could be adopted by outside employments, a White Paper that would outline a minimum figure for these people which could be copied by outside employers. There are many employers who can afford to pay in excess of these figures and who are sheltering behind these rates. They say that the county councils are paying only £7 a week and ask why they, in private industry, should pay more. The fact that many unscrupulous employers are sheltering behind this wage structure is the reason I ask that something be done.

The present unrest is due mainly to the type of society that has been built up in this country, a society in which life gets more and more tough for the labouring man with a family. The standard of living is still low, about 70 per cent of the British standard, and the British standard is low in comparison with the European standard. If we are to judge by the expensive clubs and dining places that have been opened in Dublin in the past 12 months and which seem to be doing well, there must be a good many people who have a lot of money to throw away. There is a section of our community making easy money on the sweat of the workers. We have not to go too far from this House to see places where meals cost anything up to £3, £4 and £5 per head.

Whilst the Leader of the Labour Party has dealt adequately with the matter, I must again comment on the impression that is going about that all the present troubles in this country are the result of wage demands and the 12 per cent increase. It is not those who got 12 per cent on wages ranging from £8 to £15 a week who have caused inflation. The people who got an increase of £1 per week under the ninth round were not the people who caused inflation. The inflation was caused by people who got big increases on already big salaries. The man who got £1 on a wage of £8 or £10 per week needed that increase to provide for himself and his family. We must get rid of the wrong impression which lays our present difficulties at the feet of the trade union leaders of this country.

I want to refer to our manpower policy which is part and parcel of the Budget, part and parcel of our economic expansion and the means by which our present difficulties can be resolved. Economic expansion depends on economic investment and technical development. Adaptation costs money but failure to adapt costs productivity and that, in turn, costs people. If productivity decreases, employment is adversely affected. One of the greatest mistakes of the Government and of the people who exhort workers and others to increase productivity is the absence of all efforts to produce a manpower authority. It is useless to try for increased productivity without adequate and definite proposals to deal with the manpower problem. This is of first importance. Productivity and manpower must go hand in hand.

Indirect taxation in this Budget leads to higher prices and these, in turn, lead to demands for increased income. That process solves nothing and the only hope is increased production. The growth of our economy depends on our capacity to export and that depends on the amount we are prepared to invest in economic activity and technical development. All these things depend on an adequate manpower policy which will cover all aspects of the problem and not merely the retaining of our workers.

There are many criticisms of this Budget which I could make but I do not think I should take up the time of the House at this stage when the time is limited and other speakers wish to express their views. Comment on social services and other services would be justified by me but these matters have been dealt with by other Labour Party speakers. One pressing problem is the increase in local authority rates which went up sharply last year and again this year. There is no relief in this Budget for those people, for the small farmer and small shopkeeper who is now faced with increased rates, increased taxation on his petrol and car and increased costs all round. All this is indicative of the failure of Government policy, of their failure to implement promises they made, their failure to solve even the fundamental problems of unemployment and emigration. The only sentiment I want to express in closing is the hope that it will not be necessary to have a further Budget this year. A further attempt to increase taxation would only result in further inflationary trends and I do not think would help the situation. I mention these things briefly, lest my failure to advert to them be taken as agreement with the proposals of the Budget which provides this negative increase in old age pensions.

I shall not detain the House very long because in the limited time left, some of my colleagues may be anxious to contribute. This Budget is remarkable not so much for what it contains but rather for what it is symptomatic of. It reveals an alarming situation which many people suspected for a time past was coming and which a great many people knew had arrived. The Budget proves conclusively and beyond all doubt that the economic policy of the Government has failed and particularly that the Second Programme for Economic Expansion has veen virtually a fiasco. My Limerick colleague, the Minister for Health, when speaking last week was very critical of the Opposition, particularly of Fine Gael, on the ground that, despite the issue by the Government in recent months of numerous publications explaining quite clearly the causes of the present situation, Fine Gael Deputies did not take the trouble to do their homework and study the various publications.

I have studied the various publications, the documents which have been quoted at length by Government spokesmen during the past couple of weeks. Politics being what it is, it is only natural we should take a different interpretation. Deputy Dowling last night quoted at length from many of these documents and Deputy Molloy followed his example this morning. My reading of the publications issued by the Government leaves me in no doubt whatsoever that the cause of the present situation, particularly the circumstances which forced the Minister to introduce this Budget, is solely the failure of the Second Programme.

The ordinary man in the street, whom I am proud to represent, is asking a very intelligent question. He is asking why it is that despite all the money that has been raised in taxation and by borrowing in recent years, the Government in 1966, in the middle of the Second Programme, should find it necessary to introduce a Budget of this sort. That is the question every Deputy, irrespective of the Party he belongs to, has been asked in recent weeks. Year after year for many years past, we have had new methods of taxation introduced, new methods of raising revenue. Among the most noteworthy have been the abolition of the food subsidies, saving £18 million in 1957, PAYE, netting £15 million in 1959 and the introduction of the turnover tax. As well, there have been increases in the taxes associated with the obvious commodities every year and again this year—cigarettes, tobacco, spirits and petrol.

Despite this continuous increase in taxation year after year, the Government in the past year have had to resort to what they call exceptional borrowing. The extent of that borrowing is very striking and very alarming. I quote from Capital Budget, 1966, page 13, paragraph 10:

The situation just described was dealt with (a) by raising exceptional finance amounting to £20 million from the Central Bank, (b) by making a drawing of £8 million from the IMF to support the national reserves, (c) by the issue of a Sterling/Deutschemark Loan for £7 million, and (d) by seeking bank accommodation of approximately £11 million.

Paragraph 11 points out that calls on the banking system for amounts of the order of £46½ million must clearly be exceptional. Paragraph 12 deals with foreign borrowing:

Foreign borrowing is expensive and the repayment periods are usually shorter than would apply in the case of domestic issues. Such borrowing, therefore, adds heavily to the taxation required to meet debt service charges.

On page 12, paragraph 3, we find:

The Public Capital Programme gives effect to a large extent to the Second Programme for Economic Expansion and a report on it, therefore, is very much a progress report on the Second Programme. The following general comments on public capital expenditure in 1965/66 and 1966/67 are intended to align what has happened or is planned with the projections of the Second Programme.

We also find that the expenditure for 1965-66 is expected to show an excess of £5.6 million on the figure for the same period in the previous year. It is apparent, therefore, that the assumptions made for the resources in the Second Programme are not being realised. Small savings and investment resources of departmental funds have fallen sharply. So we find that the financial projections of the Second Programme have been completely wrong and we have had to resort to what has been described as exceptional borrowing.

The outlook for 1966-67 again indicates that, in addition to the taxation imposed by the Budget, there will be further borrowing. With all this taxation and all this borrowing, what results have we got? That is the question the ordinary man in the street is asking. We have another document— The Second Programme for Economic Progress Report for 1965 which I intended quoting at length but I do not intend doing so now, in view of the limited time left. This Progress Report reveals a terrible situation. It reveals the situation that, in sector after sector of the economy, the targets have not been reached and the best criterion or test we can apply to any programme for economic expansion is employment. We find in the NIEC Report No. 13— Comments on Department of Finance Review of Economic Progress in 1965 and Prospects for 1966—and I quote from page 25, paragraph 36:

The growth in employment has fallen short of target in all sectors.

That is a terrible indictment of Government policy. It is a clear indication that the Second Programme for Economic Expansion has been a failure. In employment then we have the situation that in 1965 14,000 people left the land and there has been a net reduction in employment to the tune of 7,000. The NIEC Report goes on to comment on page 25, paragraph 37:

We are disquieted by the fact that total employment has fallen and we attach importance to the outcome of the examination of the policy measures that may be required to secure the fulfilment of the targets which is now proceeding in the Department of Finance.

So that the acid test of Government policy and the acid test of any programme for economic expansion is employment. In that test, this Programme has failed completely.

Again, in this Progress Report on the Second Programme for Economic Expansion, we find that in the major sectors such as agriculture, we have had a drop of 14,000 people; 14,000 people have left the land, and in sector after sector of the agricultural industry, there is a failure to meet production targets. In some of these branches of agriculture the reduction is very alarming. I referred here on Thursday last to the reduction in milk supplies. We find that in the month of January of this year, milk production is down by four per cent; three per cent in February, and the latest information I have had over the last weekend is that it is down, at the moment, for March to the tune of 12 per cent. Beet production is down by 15 per cent. Pig production reveals another alarming situation. What I am worried about is this—not merely does it reveal a very dangerous situation in our agricultural industry from the point of view of the farmer but it reveals a much more dangerous and alarming state of affairs by virtue of the fact that the commodities I have just mentioned which have shown a drastic reduction, such as beet production, milk production, pig production are the branches of agriculture which provide employment in the processing industries. I fear, therefore, for the employment content of our milk processing industries, for our bacon factories and for the sugar industry.

If there were any sense of priorities at all in Government planning and investment, it would surely indicate that the sector of our economy which contributes in the biggest way to exports should receive the greater attention. Despite all that has been said and the progress made in the development of industry, the stark naked fact still remains that agriculture is the foundation of our economy, and but for our agricultural exports in 1965, we would be in a situation today which one could not imagine. We found that even a small reduction in our cattle exports for 1965 has been a major factor in bringing about the present situation.

Therefore the situation revealed by this Budget is significant but it is also very alarming. It is unfortunate that in the Minister's speech on the Budget and in the Budget itself there is nothing to indicate these exceptional measures which are now necessary to lift the economy from the doldrums into which it has fallen. There is nothing in this Budget to stimulate our people to greater effort. In my view, that is the worst feature of the Budget. Many people, especially thinking people, as well as asking what has happened, where has all the money gone or how did the present situation come about, are now asking what went wrong with the Second Programme for Economic Expansion and why did it fail to produce the results which were so confidently forecast by the Taoiseach and other Government speakers in recent times?

I am not an economics expert but I studied these documents and I believe the Second Programme for Economic Expansion failed for the simple reason that it was only a programme. It is pointed out quite clearly in one of these NIEC publications that the Second Programme for Economic Expansion merely outlined the targets which might be achieved by 1970 but it did not mark out the road or path by which those targets could be achieved. I admit that reading the Second Programme is not the type of reading most people indulge in, but, for the want of something better to do some nights ago, I read, for the first time, that final chapter under the heading “The Methodology of the Second Programme for Economic Expansion”. While a lot of the statistical methods employed there, and the terminology and equations, and so on, did not make sense to me, nevertheless it is true to say that the Second Programme for Economic Expansion was nothing but a hypothetical academic exercise—and that is commented on. That is a way of saying what the NIEC have said, that it did not map out the road or path. Instead of saying what might be done, it did not say how these targets could be achieved. It is quite simple and it is an interesting exercise, if one had the time.

I wonder if the Department of Finance expert considered the social implications, the human and psychological problems and the many other factors that have to be met with in determining and drawing up a national policy. I believe and I am convinced now as never before, that the Second Programme for Economic Expansion is what I said it was, namely, a hypothetical academic exercise having no foundation in reality and no awareness whatever of the problems which had to be encountered and which have since had to be met. There is further evidence of this, in relation to investment, in the NIEC Report No. 13. I shall quote from paragraph 33 on page 23:

It seems to us, therefore, that some ceiling must be fixed for investment that will allow an acceptable increase in consumption and that will not push the balance of payments deficit beyond acceptable limits.

It goes on to point out that the choice of an investment that does not add to productive capacity in such a way as to facilitate, for example, an increase in exports means the permanent sacrifice of an investment that would. These two documents, Reports No. 11 and No. 13 of the NIEC, are more critical and, reading between the lines, far more critical than any Opposition Party could be of the methods employed in drawing up the Second Programme for Economic Expansion. It criticises the lack of financial statistical information. It criticises the very bad standard of investment management and the lack of efficiency in operation. All of these criticisms are made by the NIEC. I think that Deputies such as Deputy Molloy, who spoke for one and a half hours and quoted what X said in 1957 and what Y said in 1961, would be much better employed making use of the University Degree which he has by applying his mind to these problems. This NIEC Report reveals tremendous weakness in Government policy and in Government planning. When the Second Programme for Economic Expansion was introduced—particularly in relation to targets which were fixed for agriculture—I recall that, at that time, numerous organisations and many people who understand agriculture, who know the problems, criticised the targets not because they were too high but, mark you, because they were too low. I remember speaking here on the Budget two years ago and quoting the NFA green book publication where it states that the targets for agriculture in the Second Programme for Economic Expansion were far too low and unrealistic. Mr. Raymond Crotty produced an excellent document at that time and pointed out in no uncertain manner that, unless an annual gross rate of 5 per cent was achieved in the agricultural programme, total economic expansion could not be achieved on the target specified in the Second Programme. Mr. Allwood, who is management expert with the Agricultural Institute, in a paper about two years ago addressed to the Statistical and Social Society of Ireland pointed out, in relation to the development of the west, that industrial development was not enough and that unless an overall growth rate for agriculture, the basic industry, was achieved, the Second Programme targets could not be achieved. Despite the fact that the NFA, the ICMSA and other economists and independent experts criticised the Second Programme targets because they were too low, we now have the unbelievable situation that those low targets have not been achieved and, as far as we can gather, the progress rate of expansion in agriculture in 1965 was only 1 per cent.

I do not know what methods are used in the Department of Finance in the matter of investment analysis, in the matter of fixing priorities for investment, and so forth. Agriculture, and industries based on agriculture, is contributing the major portion of our exports.

Except for the £100,000 for small western farms, there is nothing in the Budget to enable this most important major industry to expand and develop. On the other hand, money has been invested in industries and in various projects which have proved to be unwise and unsound investments. A classic case, and an example which has been quoted quite frequently in this House and which has been the subject of numerous Questions, is the Potez Aircraft Factory at Baldonnel. I could never understand why, and on what ground, the Department of Industry and Commerce decided to invest a substantial amount of money in this industry. It was well known at the time that, for various reasons, this project had not an earthly chance of succeeding. The type of aircraft it was producing had become obsolete. The British aircraft manufacturing industry was in the doldrums. Was it conceivable that a French aircraft manufacturer could succeed in the industry at Baldonnel in this country, where there was no pool of the skilled technicians so necessary in aircraft manufacture, at a time when the British aircraft industry, with its long experience, was in the doldrums?

It is vitally essential that this House would be told by the Minister (a) on what grounds this money was allocated for that industry and (b) who vetted the proposal. On the other hand, while this money could be made available to industries which were very doubtful from the word "go", every Deputy, including myself, has had numerous complaints from small industrialists and small businessmen in our constituencies, about the extreme caution and the fine-combing methods of the Industrial Development Authority, and the almost impossible job it is to get a grant of a few thousand pounds for a small industry.

We must do a lot of rethinking in relation to this question of investment, and particularly investment in development projects. As I have said, the NIEC have been very critical of the Department of Finance. In their Report, No. 11, at page 50, paragraph 71, referring to the question of priorities, they state:

In particular, in the case of capital expenditure, a ranking of projects in order of national importance is necessary to ensure that the resources available for public and private investment, which are now scarce in relation to the demands being made upon them, are used to maximum advantage... If the new opportunities for growth are to be exploited to the full while at the same time maintaining stability, a stricter examination of the relative benefits from the various possible projects is required... In deciding on the appropriate rankings for productive investments and the share of resources to be devoted to each, close attention must be given to the increase in national output, and especially in exports, which is expected, relative to the size of the investment, to the length of time before the increased output accrues and to the relationship of different projects to each other... The priorities must be clearly defined if they are to be understood by the community at large.

There are numerous other paragraphs dealing with this particular subject. It is very significant that the NIEC, a Government-sponsored body, making an intelligent analysis and assessment of the Second Programme, should be so critical in so many spheres of development.

However, there is some indication that the Government, and the Department of Finance in particular, have learned a lesson from the failure of the Second Programme, and have taken note of the criticism of the NIEC Report because in the Capital Budget, 1966, at page 17, under the heading "Review and control" it is stated:

Particular attention is being given to methods of assessing the national value of investment projects in order to determine those investments which, in relation to their cost, yield the maximum economic and social benefits to the community.

This gives some hope that there is to be a new approach to the whole question of economic development. The selection of priorities for investment, the proper management of investment, and so forth, are all vitally important factors, but there is another important factor, that is, economies in the cost of public administration to which Deputy Costello referred last night. This is the age of the management consultant, the efficiency expert, the investment analyst. Over the past five or six years, we have had the Taoiseach and Government Ministers and spokesmen, exhorting businessmen and industrialists, and even farmers, to modernise their methods, to effect all the economies possible, and to strive for the most efficient possible methods of production.

This year, and every year recently, we found a colossal increase in the cost of public administration. Surely if the businessmen and industrialists and farmers, by the application of modern management techniques and methods, could achieve economies, the Government could do likewise. It is very bad example for the Government to be preaching this and not making any effort to set a lead themselves. That, in fact, is what the Government have been doing. There must be room for economies in the Civil Service, in the administration of the various Departments, and so forth.

Another important factor in righting the economic situation is the question of savings. The reduction in savings has been very disappointing, and has been a significant factor in leading to the present situation. Over the past four or five years in Budget speeches, I drew the attention of the Minister to a method of saving which has proved very successful, particularly in Britain and in the United States, a method of saving which is very attractive to the ordinary person. I refer to the unit trusts. I understand that some unit trusts are operating here. I do not know to what extent. I feel this method of saving is well worth looking into still further.

There are three questions: Where did the money go? Why did the Second Programme for Economic Expansion fail? What can be done now to save the situation? The situation will not be saved by coming in here with tomes from the Dáil Library and quoting what one Deputy said in 1957 and what another said in 1960. Deputy Molloy last night and this morning delayed the House for an hour and a half quoting from this, that and the other book. I did not hear him quote once from a Government publication.

He gave the facts.

He quoted from various newspaper reports, but I do not recall his having quoted from the NIEC documents.

(Interruptions.)

If the Deputy wishes to make his maiden speech, he will have an opportunity in about five minutes. The third question which now remains is: What can be done? In the course of the debate over the past few weeks, various suggestions have been put forward. I believe that the NIEC can play a much stronger and much more active role in economic planning and development. I believe the NIEC should be reconstituted, and that the obvious flaw and great weakness in the NIEC is the fact that there is no representation for agriculture. I believe that should be remedied without any delay and that the terms of reference of the NIEC should be extended, that they should not merely be a National Economic Council but should be a National Economic Development Council, which is an entirely different thing.

Of course, there is need also for the reorganisation of the economic unit, if there is such a thing, within the Department of Finance so that people will know what is happening. The lack of information, particularly from the Department of Finance, has been commented on and criticism has been voiced here in the NIEC Report, No. 11, that information, vital to the assessment of progress, was not forthcoming in time and delays of two and three months were very often experienced. I feel, then, there will have to be a complete re-thinking and I would suggest—I think Deputy Treacy mentioned this last night—we should hear no more about the Second Programme for Economic Expansion but that the mistakes of its failure can be learned and an entirely new approach adopted for the future.

It is not my intention to delay the House too long. I just wish to refer to one aspect of the Budget, which is perhaps a very limited one. With regard to the dancehall tax, the owner of a dancehall is liable to turnover tax if his income for the month exceeds £150. As I understand it, with the application of the new Budget tax, this will disappear and he will be liable to ten per cent turnover tax on his complete takings throughout the year. This will hit many of the small dancehalls very hard. I refer particularly to the communityowned halls throughout the country. Many of those have been built by committees and organisations such as the ICA and parish committees and they are owned by the people of the parish. All of them that I know are, at the moment, finding it very difficult to meet their responsibilities. Their incomes are very low and the rates and income tax imposed on them are very high. They must consider the cost, no matter what functions they run. This will certainly put many of them out of business.

These dancehalls are run for social purposes rather than for profit. They are places where people can congregate from time to time. They have their socials and they run functions for profit to run various organisations in the parish. Now two standards are fixed by the Budget, more than 100 patrons and a charge of 4/-. I am not aware of any rural halls in which the charge is now 4/-. I think it is always 5/-.

Even though the population in many areas throughout the west is very low, I think that on social occasions you will rarely have a crowd smaller than 100. I think this concession means nothing and I would ask the Minister to have a second look at this problem. It is obvious that he and his advisers realise that the problem of those dancehalls should be dealt with but I feel their information must be very limited when they picked those figures as the limits for exemptions.

Considering that the Budget covers all the economy of the country, and considering all that has been said about it, this problem may sound very trivial and small but I feel it is one of great importance to the community. It is one which can be appreciated only by a person who lives in a rural community, as I do, and who has some little responsibility for organising and running the social life of the country and trying to keep those particular halls open so that they will be there any time the people need them. It is not my intention to go into any other problems of the Budget. As I said, they have been dealt with in detail. I would ask the Minister again to give a second look at this particular difficulty as I feel that what has been offered will, in practice, mean nothing.

Each Budget seems to me to get steadily worse and worse. There was a time when we could look forward to a Budget as giving some substantial reliefs and asking for some taxation but now we have arrived at a situation where we have substantial taxation and very little reliefs. The cost of living seems to me to be steadily increasing, and, although in this Budget the cost of foodstuffs was not directly increased, the increased freight charges and the increase in petrol and motor taxation costs must raise the price of foodstuffs. We have arrived at a situation in which many housewives are faced with an impossible task in balancing their weekly budgets. It has become for many a gigantic challenge to feed and clothe their children alone.

I mean to be very brief because I know there are a number of other speakers but there are a few things I should like to mention. I would like to point out that, by deliberate Government action, the cost of living is being increased this year. Some time ago—I think, last year—the Minister for Finance decided that the petrol companies should not increase the price of petrol because he felt, I suppose, they make enough profit as it is and because he felt that the motoring public could not afford the increase. Now, by the deliberate action of the Minister, the price of petrol is being increased and motor taxation is being increased. Those of us who live in rural Ireland realise that a motor car is no longer a luxury. CIE provide little or no transport in rural Ireland, particularly in the west of Ireland, and, therefore, a motor car is a necessity. God knows, it is hard enough to keep the people in the west of Ireland without penalising them still further by forcing them to lay up their cars.

A great many people in the west of Ireland make a living out of travelling shops and the use of trucks and lorries. Those people are now faced with an increase of 25 per cent taxation. That will be very hard on a great many of them. Every Budget brings an increase in the price of alcohol. I know alcohol can be regarded as completely a luxury. I will not say whether it is or not but we must remember that there are thousands of publicans—there are some of them in this House—who are trying to eke out an existence nowadays. In Bible times, a publican was considered a tax-gatherer but it was never as true then as it is now. The publican is a tax-gatherer.

Here again we have the spectacle of the Minister last October or November solemnly telling the publicans to keep to the prices they had in the last Budget. I suppose he felt the people could not afford the increase of 1d on the pint. He also solemnly warned Guinness that they had to keep to the prices they had in the last Budget. Now we have the position that in a few short months the Minister deliberately increases the prices. It seems that Ministers, particularly the Minister for Finance, speaks with his tongue in his cheek: one month he assures the publicans and the brewers that it cannot be done, that the public cannot bear increased costs and next month he gives the increase. I am rather alarmed at the way the Guinness company are treated in this country. I know they make large profits and people say: "Look at their profits". Have we arrived at a situation when it is becoming a crime to make a profit? I remember after the Minister's statement last year seeing the managing director of Guinness interviewed on Telefís Éireann. His words at that time shook me. He pointed out that while Guinness had increased the pint by 2d, I think, since 1952, the other increases had been caused by deliberate Government action. He also pointed that if this continued, Guinness would have to look at their programme and see where best they could manufacture their products.

We must remember that Guinness are big employers and good employers. They contribute in many ways to the social life of the country. They endow scholarships, contribute to and sponsor various functions and because they are making big profits that is no reason why they should be penalised. I wonder what crime they are guilty of. Is it one of omission or commission? It seems as if there is some deliberate Government action to push this company a little too far but the day we push Guinness out of the country, it will be a national tragedy and the Minister for Finance who is trying to balance the Budget without the revenue coming from Guinness will be faced with serious difficulties.

I expected some relief in income tax in this Budget. I expected, and I think everybody else did, that the rate of income tax would be increased slightly but I thought the allowances would be increased also. There was one slight concession of £30 for children over 11 years of age but if we look at the allowances, we see that a single man may earn only £6 per week before paying income tax. A married man may earn £520 a year and a married woman, if she is earning, is allowed the princely sum of £45. I know a great many men in this country consider that women's heads are made like Professor Higgins said of cotton, hair and rags and that when a woman marries, her place is at the kitchen sink. I regret to inform the House that we have arrived at the situation, whether for good or ill, in which married women are working and, as the years go on, more and more married women will work.

To my mind, such people should be divided into two categories, the women who work because they are not sufficiently occupied at home, not because of financial considerations, and those who work because they must. The former are not so much to be pitied as those who must work. A great many people in Dublin city and throughout the country are working to eke out an existence for their families, trying to give them a reasonable education. They are badly hit and it is time the Minister for Finance had another look at this £45 allowance for a married woman because that allowance does nothing for her and certainly does not help her morale.

Another interesting situation is that if you have a single man and woman, brother and sister, living together in a joint home, they have an allowance of £312 each per annum before paying income tax which brings them, if my arithmetic is correct, to £624 per annum while a married man and his wife do not get quite £600, assuming the married man and woman have no children. It seems to me that the married woman is being penalised and that the whole system is wrong. There is a Victorian attitude about it, an idea that women should be seen and not heard, that they should be in their homes at the kitchen sink and that they are fit for nothing else. It is time we had more enlightenment and time someone said something of that kind. Perhaps I am not the best person to do so but I feel I should say anything I can to highlight this injustice which is being done.

This Budget does very little for the social welfare recipients. In fact, the 5/-extra given to old age pensioners and postponed as it is until next November is a very inadequate increase in the times in which we live. This 5/-, I note, is given only to those who have absolutely no means. The time has come when there should be some tightening up in the system of unemployment benefit. The allowance given to those who need it is scarcely adequate but in the west of Ireland particularly—I know it is politically unwise to say this—there are people getting unemployment assistance who could be working. I believe the day we give them the incentive to idle is the day we do a bad turn for this country. Those who cannot work or genuinely cannot get employment are entitled to more than they are getting. If people were honest and if those who could work worked, those who cannot get work could get more. I think the Government have sufficient inspectors and some sort of inspection should be carried out to ensure that those who are receiving unemployment assistance are entitled to it.

Much lip service is paid here, particularly by Ministers, to saving the west. I suppose the Minister considers that his gesture of £100,000 for the farmers of the west of Ireland will do something to save them. It is only a drop in the ocean and I consider that our farmers were deceived up to this year. They were given to understand that there would be some relief or aid for them in this Budget. They suffered last year—shall I say it—through no fault of their own, a disastrous year and in point of fact they got nothing. Although much is said about saving the west when it comes down to brass tacks, I do not think any Minister gives two hoots for the west.

I have been following newspaper reports and comments by political correspondents for the past three weeks very carefully and I note they are all disappointed that the Opposition do not suggest ways of balancing the Budget. It is not the duty of the Opposition to provide the Government with this information. Every Government is supplied with a vast service of highly-paid and competent civil servants and it is the Minister's duty to seek the aid and advice of those civil servants. I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the Civil Service may give that advice but it is certainly never heeded. Therefore, I do not think it is any duty of mine to tell the Minister how he can balance the Budget but I can tell him in my opinion one way in which he can save money.

Deputy Ryan asked a question last week about how much it costs, on average, to run a State car. If I am correct, I think the average cost was about £3,850 per car per year. We are a very small and poor country by West European standards. Yet we run a vast fleet of State cars costing £3,850 each per year. I suggest these State cars should be withdrawn and that we should have a system such as they have in England whereby a pool of cars is maintained, so that——

When a Minister finds he has to fulfil a State engagement, he can simply ring up and say: "I need a car to go to Cork" and that would be provided. I know these cars are allotted to Ministers and they are allowed to use them as they would use their private cars. Many of us in this House drive cars and we all know we do not spend anything like £3,000 per annum on them. This is only a very small thing but it is typical of the country to do everything on a magnificent scale as if we had means to spare. If we began with the small economies, we would save a considerable amount of money in the year and would not be fleecing the unfortunate taxpayers to the same extent. We have now reached a situation in which there is no incentive for a person to work. The more you earn the more is taken from you. I consider the whole income tax code to be demoralising. That is all I can say about it.

I shall not delay the House any longer but I would recommend the Minister to look particularly into that last recommendation of mine about the State cars.

Nuair a bhí an tAire Airgeadais ag léamh Cáinfhaisnéis na bliana dhúinn trí seachtainí ó shoin tháinig aoibh an gháire ar bheola na dTeachtaí thall. B'fhuirist fheiscint ná raibh sé ag déanamh buartha nó bróin dóibh. Ní túisce a bhí deire ráite aige, ámh, ná gur éirigh ocbhadh gan sgios ar fúd na h-áite. Bhí cás na seanbpinsinéirí ag déanamh tinnis dá bhformhór. Bhí Teachta amháin anbhuartha i ngeall ar an 2d breise a cuireadh ar leath-ghloine na sean-mná a raghadh isteach sa tabhairne ar an Aoine. Dhein sé dearmad, ámh, go ndíolfadh an 5/- breise a tugadh dí 2d ar 30 leath-ghloine.

Cáin eile a bhí déanamh buartha don Teachta céanna ná an t-árdú ar cháin bhóthar na ngluaisteán. Ba gheall le h-inneal feirme gach ghluaisteán ó Laoi na Sreabh go Béara. Nuair do bhí seisean ar a sháimhín só, d'éirigh ath-Threoraí Fhine Gael ach ní cás na bpinsinéirí ná ar ghluaisteáin a bhí ag déanamh tinnis dó ach treascairt Nelson. Do cháin sé go dubh is go dóite é is do thug sé a dubhshlán na mí-rialtach a leag é. Is eagal liom, ámh, go raibh leath-shúil dírithe aige ar a Dháil-Cheantar fhéin agus orthu siúd ina Dháil-Cheantar a thugann gean agus grá do lucht leanúna Nelson.

Is trua nach raibh duine eile thuas ansin.

Iarraim ort, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, cosc a chur leis an gclúite súithte Teachta sin nach bhfuil de bhéas ann a bhéal do choimead dúnta nuair a bhíonn duine ag labhairt i dteanga a shínsear.

Teach the Irish language to Seán Lemass.

Iarraim ort a Leas-Cheann Comhairle iachall a chur ar an samhailt sin a bhéal do choimeád dúnta, mar chuireann sé tinneas ar gach éinne.

Rinne an Teachta deireanach a labhair tagairt do na gluaisteáin a bhíonn ag na hAirí agus na Rúnaithe Parlaiminte Rinne sí dearmad a rá linn go bhfuil tuarastal an Gharda nó an tiománaí i gcás sa £3,800 a bhí i dtries aici. Measaim fhéin gur minicí a fuair sí féin agus a muintir tiomáint nó marcaíocht i gceann de na ghluaisteáin sin ná furmhór na dTeachtaí ar an taobh seo den Tí. Ní thuigim cad na thaobh nár chuir Fine Gael féin deire leo nuair bhíodar i gcumhacht. Tá se an-fhuirist comhairle a thabhairt ón dtaobh thall ach ní ró-fhuirist í chur i ngníomh nuair a bhíonn dream ag rialú na tíre.

Nuair a bhí an Teachta Tomás Ó Domhnaill ag caint rinne sé tagairt d'óráid an Teachta Ó Maoluaidh agus an méid leabhar agus páipéar a thóg sé isteach leis agus an sraith figiúrí a léigh sé astu. Tháinig an Teachta Pádraig Ó Domhnaill isteach ansin ina dhiaidh agus ualach asail de leabhair agus de ghiobal páipéir faoina ascaill aige. Do léigh sé le binib iad. Bíodh a chead sin aige.

Ní béas liomsa feidhm a bhaint as leabhair, tuarascáil nó páipéir nuair a bhím ag caint sa Tigh seo. Tuigtear dom go léann gach Teachta na cáipéisí sin nuair a sheoladar chuige iad. Ba cheart iad a léamh go cúramach agus stáidéar a dhéanamh orthu ach ní h-aon tairbhe feidhm do bhaint astu sa Tigh seo chun a chur in iúl do chách cé chomh cliste is atáimíd.

Ní dóigh liom go dtáinig an t-Aire Airgeadais nó Aire Airgeadais ar bith a bhí i Rialtas na tíre seo isteach sa Tigh seo chun breis cánach do chur ar mhuintir na tíre ar son na cánach. Caithfear cáin a leagadh ar na daoine chun na seirbhísí do riarú, ní le grá don cháin ach go bhfuil sé riachtanach a leithéid a dhéanamh. Na daoine a labhair in aghaidh na cánach anseo inniú do mhol a lán acu dúinn go mba cheart árdú tuarastail a thabhairt agus deontaisí breise do thabhairt do gach aicme. Ní h-acmhainn a leithéid a dhéanamh gan árdú cánach. Is ionann sin is a rá, má chuireann Aire cáin gan gá ar an bpobal, gur duine mí-mhacánta é agus go bhfuil baint aige le Rialtas mí-mhacánta.

Is ait mar sin go bhfuil muintir Fhianna Fáil i réim sa tír seo le tríocha bliain anuas agus go raibh muinín ag an bpobal astu. An gceapann an dream thall go n-éireodh linn dalla phúicín nó dalla mullóg a chur ar an bpobal i rith an ama seo agus ná bfaighfí amach sinn? Nuair a bhí an Comh-Rialtas ann tugadh bata agus bóthar dóibh go mear. An uair dheireanach a bhíodar ann do ritheadar agus do theitheadar ón gCáinfhaisnéis mar tuigeadh dóibh ná béadh seans acu dul i réim arís.

Ní bhéadh sé de lag-mhisneach ionainn teitheadh ón gCáinfhaisnéis ná ó na daoine a thagann isteach anso ár gcáineadh. Leis an Aire a deirim: lean ar aghaidh le do chuid oibre. Tiocfaidh an lá nuair a thuigfidh na daoine go ndearna tú do dhícheall ar son muintir na tíre. Thabharfainn comhairle dhó a thug Gael do dhuine breis is trí chéad bliain ó shoin nuair a bhí na Sasanaigh i réim sa tír seo:

Ná coigil is ná caith ar fad do sholáthar;

Taisc chun caithte is caith chun coimeádta.

An té a chaitheas go leamh beidh in easba gearánach,

Ach an té a chaitheas mar ghlacas sé an beart is foláine.

The relevance of the Deputy's concluding remarks to the Budget of 1966 escapes many of the Members of the House, including, I am sure, the Chair. I doubt if Deputy Ó Ceallaigh really understands the relevance of it or if he has even read the papers to which he made reference and which he said Deputies should read before they come into the House.

It probably would help if when dealing with the Budget of 1966, people would concern themselves with the problems of 2016 as well as with those of 1966. We have heard a great deal about the events of 50 years ago. Never in the course of this debate did I hear anybody on the Government side of the House refer to the inevitable consequences in 2016 of what we are doing in 1966. Yet there are today in swaddling clothes, there are today in our national schools, and there are about to be born in this year of 1966, children who in 2016 will be but in their early fifties. These are the people about whom we in Fine Gael are primarily concerned.

While everybody in the nation will pause to reflect in this year upon the deeds of the men of 1916, we say we are not keeping faith with those men, we are not keeping faith with our own people, if we neglect to consider the consequences of the folly of this Government, which will have damaging effects as far away as 2016. Fifty years hence may seem much further away than 50 years gone by to some people, but there are many of us who were not born during the years and years and years they have quoted in the course of this debate, and the relevance of what happened in the first, second or third decade of this century must escape many people today who are concerned with the pressing problems of 1966.

We recall that at the last general election the Taoiseach sought the votes of the people on his giving an undertaking that this would be his last chance. He asked for a last chance and promised that he would resign before the next general election. It would seem prudent for him to resign now because everything upon which he went to the country has been rejected by him since. The path on which he led the people has exploded, is now full of ruts and is now impossible for the people to discern. They do not know where they are being led, if they are being led at all.

One wonders why the Taoiseach has not the decency to resign yet, but then one recalls that he said his greatest pride—they were the words he used— his greatest pride would be to be Taoiseach when the country would be celebrating 1916. Therefore, in the true tradition of the leadership of Fianna Fáil, personal pride comes before the national interest. One wonders, when his pride is satisfied in the next few weeks, will he then have the decency to resgin, or will he again display the weakness of the leadership of Fianna Fáil, an inability to understand when he has outstayed his welcome.

The Government are taking some comfort in the fact that, in a typically patriotic way, the Leader of the Opposition, Deputy Cosgrave, has stated that we in Fine Gael are satisfied that this country has a basically sound economy. But we have never said at any time in the course of this debate that that economy has not been seriously damaged by the behaviour of the Government over the past nine years. We are convinced that it has been seriously damaged, and that is why we have carried on this debate for almost a month and why we refuse to allow the Government to give the impression that things are sound or that no serious damage has been done.

History, small petty history, has been produced in the course of this debate. I might be pardoned for referring to two really significant historical and economic events. I refer to the United States of America, then and now the wealthiest nation in the world, which in the 1920s had a sound economy but which had a Government lacking in moral courage, which had a Government lacking in appreciation of what the country needed, as we have here today. The result was that a sound economy came crashing down in 1929, accompanied by suicides, accompanied by economic, financial and social ruin. It needed a Roosevelt to save the American economy, to save the American nation and indeed to save the world.

In Germany, mighty, wealthy Germany, rich and powerful then as now, there was in the 1920s another weak Government, lacking moral leadership, lacking moral courage, doing intense damage there to the national morale, as is happening here today. Germany knew economic ruin when one day after another a barrel load of marks would be needed to purchase something that one mark would buy the day before, and the week after a lorry load of marks would be needed to purchase something that a barrel load would buy the day before, with growing inflation, with growing depreciation in the value of money, just as we have today. The German economy came crashing down, to be followed by the advent of Herr Adolf Hitler, because the people had to turn to something in the depression.

In 1966 we face the same desperate possibilities. Because our sound economy is being seriously and continuously damaged, accompanied by a desperately low standard of national morale due to the dreadfully low lead given by the Government, we face very serious dangers and the very steps taken in this Budget are the steps the National Industrial Economic Council said should not be taken. That is why we so vigorously and so viciously attack it. They did the very thing they were told by their experts and advisers not to do and what we in the Fine Gael Party told them not to do. There are some commentators apparently who are not capable of understanding what was in the NIEC Report or what has been said by us.

Many people are wondering why we are in this position at the moment. Let us reflect on the figures. Even though they are in millions, they are nevertheless relevant and are easily understandable to anyone who wants to understand them. Last year the records show that there was a drop in small savings of £5 million. Withdrawals from post office banks and small savings were £5 million greater than deposits. Why? The small saver is not a speculator; he is not a spendthrift. He is the person who tucks a little away for the rainy day and uses it when the rainy day arrives. This £5 million which was taken out represents an umbrella used by these people when the rainy day came under Fianna Fáil in 1965 and 1966. These people still have the umbrella up. In case we did not know, the Government have showered more financial rain on them in this miserable Budget.

Departmental funds, which are a barometer of the people's confidence in the Government, and a barometer of the buoyancy of the economy, also fell by £4 million. Again, this is a vote of no confidence on the part of the people in the Government. Because of the credit squeeze which the Government generated in their panic, and again in ill-advised circumstances, the Government had to pay ransom money to get their own overdraft. They had to pay £3½ million as a consequence of their own credit squeeze. Exchequer Bonds are a barometer of the confidence of the business community in the Government and are an indication of what savings are available in the private sector. The Government were compelled to sell £5½ million of Exchequer Bonds to pay back the investors who were no longer prepared to lend the money to the Government who were bringing about the financial ruin that has blighted the country.

Then we have to go into the world market to see the consequences of the Government's folly. We had to contribute £4,300,000 to the International Monetary Fund in order to try to stabilise our economy. At home, because the preachers would not practise what they were preaching to everybody else, the Government outran their own estimates of expenditure and their capacity to pay for what they were doing and spent an additional £8 million beyond what we were asked to produce to them last year. This has culminated in the greatest national degradation we have suffered for decades, having to hawk our credit and the standing of our economy through the financial capitals of the world.

Do not let anybody think that our inquiries were confined to New York or Duesseldorf. We went to every Irish embassy and legation and the people there were told to make inquiries in the financial capitals in which they were situated to see if Ireland could get a measly £7 million. Seven million pounds which the American stock market would spend or throw out while a stockbroker would be sneezing was refused to this Republic, notwithstanding the fact that we had a basically sound economy. I ask why? It was because these financiers took a look at the book which Deputy O Ceallaigh said we should look at and because they watched how the economy was drifting and because they saw the Government were mismanaging affairs. Then they refused to lend the money which, as I said, they would spend while a stockbroker was sneezing on the New York Stock Exchange. We could not get it there and we had then to go to Europe, to Germany, where there is more money than they know what to do with. We had to pay exorbitant terms for the price of the Government's folly.

This is a condemnation of the Government's approach to the Budget. Having made all these mistakes, one would think that they would try to learn by their mistakes but they have done the reverse. At the end of six years, not only have we had trade deficits but in our net expansion of external activity, we had a deficit of £20½ millions.

We arrive at the few weeks before the Budget in which the Government had to consider what policy to adopt. They are told in the NIEC Report, a Report prepared by industrialists, financiers, economists and so on, people best able to judge, that there was a chance of the economy recovering, provided the Government observed the prerequisite of recovery and that was not to increase taxation. The Government ignored that advice and increased taxation by the biggest increase we have ever had in the 44 years of our independence, the biggest and most savage increase. I wonder that the members of the National Industrial Economic Council have not resigned. Their advice was ignored and they have been thrown out. They have been told that no matter what advice they give, the Government are going to ignore them and so we have increased taxation of the order of £12½ million.

What will be the consequences of this taxation? You cannot accuse us of trying to take political advantage or of trying to cause unnecessary scares. We will rely on the experts in the NIEC Report. We are told that the consequences of increased taxation will be a fall in employment. That is the Government's deliberate intention, to increase unemployment in 1966-67. Do not let anybody have any doubts about whether this Government carry out their printed intentions. In 1958, they told us they intended to cut down on housing because social investment had been completed. They did that and in some years produced one-fifth the number of houses built in the days of their predecessors. The intention of the Budget is to increase unemployment.

The second consequence of increasing taxation this year, the NIEC Report says, in support of what we in Fine Gael have been saying for the past few years, is that it will bring about a fall in output. This is going to reduce national productivity. This additional tax bill is going to do the very thing which is completely contrary to all the Government's boasted intentions in the second programme of so-called economic expansion.

We in Fine Gael have forever been pointing out—and we are supported by the NIEC Report—that increased taxation will increase prices and costs. There is no other way in which taxation can be levied except by increasing prices and costs. This will be an inevitable consequence of the £12½ million increase in taxation. We are told this by people of no less ability than those on the NIEC Council. This increase in taxation will also reduce our international competitiveness. That is also an inevitable consequence of this Budget. In case there is any doubt about it, we had experience of that years ago. Every time Fianna Fáil brought in a vicious Budget that was the result, and this one is more vicious than any that went before. Finally, we are promised in the NIEC Report that the consequences of increasing taxation this year will be to prolong the restrictive measures the Government were obliged by their own folly to bring into operation in the last 12 months.

These are the consequences of the Budget. All the silly backbenchers of Fianna Fáil can do is to run down to the Library and look up the index to see what Tom, Dick agus Harry said 20, 30 or 40 years ago. We are concerned with 1966 and, as I said, with 2016, which most of us will not see and, therefore, for many people it is irrelevant today. But for the young people it is intensely relevant. We are concerned that a Budget should be brought in in this day and age which will reduce employment and output, increase prices and costs, disimprove competitiveness and prolong the restrictive measures introduced last year.

On income tax, we had the Taoiseach for want of a better argument suggesting he was merely returning to the level of taxation operated by the last inter-Party Government. I suppose ten years ago is not too far for him but it is for many people not then of voting age. However, he has made the argument and I shall answer it. The 8d in the £ increase in tax now proposed is equal to a deduction of three per cent in the rate of wages of the people. While the Minister for Finance and members of the Government are saying that the maximum that can be allowed is three per cent by way of wage increases, they negative that completely with one stroke of the pen by increasing income tax to a level equivalent to reducing incomes by three per cent. In addition, the number of people paying income tax is increasing year after year. The proportion of the earning population now paying income tax is much greater than it was ten years ago. Unfortunately, for reasons best known to themselves, the Revenue Commissioners and the Statistics Office are always very much behind the times with their income tax statistics. Deputies will have noted in the Income Tax Report published in 1962—the Seventh Report of the Commission on Income Taxation—that the figures used to illustrate their arguments were for the financial year 1954-55, seven years before the publication of their own report. Therefore, we have not got available to us the figures upon which to make an accurate assessment of what the position is today compared with 1956. But I say without fear of contradiction from watching the trends over the years that at present compared with 1956 three people pay income tax for every two who paid it at that time. This clearly indicates that income tax, which at one time was a tax on the rich to feed, clothe and comfort the poor, is now a tax on the majority of the people. It is no longer a progressive tax but a very regressive one. Imposing a three per cent increase in income tax while at the same time permitting only a three per cent increase in wages to some sections of the community is grossly unfair and we in Fine Gael cannot support it.

I wish to give way to other Deputies because in these closing stages of the debate it would be unnecessary as well as unfair to travel the whole field of the economic statistics which have been published and frequently quoted. But the steps and consequences I have indicated globally are the inevitable consequence of this year's Budget. Therefore, this Budget stands condemned for the consequences it will have on the economy.

Within the past 18 months industry and commerce have suffered severely because of the Government's dithering and playing around in the field of international trade. For the 12 months prior to the announcement of the consequences of the negotiations with the British Government, industry here did not know what way to turn, what steps should be taken. In very many cases industries very properly delayed expansion schemes and contemplated alterations because they did not know whether they would be able to remunerate the capital spent on alterations they had in mind. They were hoping that when the uncertainty vanished— even though it vanished in a disastrous way for some of them—at least they would be able to make plans for the future. But now, when they could be making plans and executing those plans, they find themselves entirely deprived of credit because the banks will not make the money available to them.

The result is that in this year, in which we ought to be changing and expanding to meet the challenge we now have to face, industry and commerce are unable to do so. We in Fine Gael feel that the Government are doing serious damage to the economy, particularly to the industrial arm, when they bring in a Budget of depression and restriction at a time when industry ought to be able to move forward with more confidence and get their wants in necessary financial assistance. They certainly will not get it from the banks or from the ordinary private lending agencies. They are forced to turn to whatever small pittance the Government are prepared to make available through the Industrial Development Authority and other industrial financial agencies.

I am sorry to say we are now living in an age in which no Irish need apply for financial assistance from the State. Really, these Government agencies ought to print on their notepaper or post in the windows of their offices "No Irish Need Apply." What the landladies of Birmingham, Manchester and Coventry have put in their windows for years now is the slogan of many State agencies and Government Departments. I do not say that lightly. The experience of many Deputies, industries and public people must be that again and again when respectable, long-established Irish institutions seek money from State concerns it is refused to them unless the applicant is accompanied by some foreigner of unknown parentage and uncertain background. If he can bring in some person with an unpronounceable name and some unknown background an Irish person has a chance, so long as he is the subtenant of some foreign interest. This to us is an appalling state of affairs and something we entirely reject. While we accept that the percentage of industrial losses and failures is small relative to the number which have been sustained, we say these failures should not have occurred. We share the views of industry and commerce and the country in general that we cannot afford losses of the magnitude of those which came to light last year. The ultimate consequence of losses of that kind is that the sections in this country which are paying have to pay not only for themselves but also for the mistakes and folly of the Government.

I conclude with these words. A good barometer of the Government's economic success or failure is housing. Every county council and city corporation has been notified within the past week of the money to be made available to them over the next year or in advance to meet existing commitments. The result of this notification will be that local authorities all over the country will have to bring building operations practically to a halt. That is a disgraceful situation. It is an unpardonable situation and, in view of what the Federation of Builders said last week, it is an appalling situation for the thousands employed in the building industry. What is really despicable, however, is that for the past six months public servants, both local authority and State, have been asked to behave in an extremely shabby manner, in an unprofessional manner, in an untruthful manner, in dealing with people urgently looking for houses. It would not, perhaps, be pertinent to this debate to dilate further on this, but we shall certainly deal with the matter in extenso on another occasion.

It is now quite clear that there is nothing short of ruin facing the building industry, not to talk of other industries and other sectors which will be savaged during the next 12 months. All this will flow from the folly of this Budget and the folly of this Government over the past nine years. When will the Taoiseach have the decency to get out of office? He promised he would do so. He has broken every other promise he made to the people one short year ago. If he is a man of honour, there is one promise he can keep, that is, to get out. He is no longer wanted.

Government policy is very clearly outlined in this Budget. There was a choice between cutting down on essential services or finding the money by additional taxation. Cutting down on essential services would be fatal. It would result in the slowing down of the economic growth of the country, and that at a time when we must be in a position to avail of every opportunity that offers in the years ahead. Cutting down would mean unemployment. We all know what happened in 1956 when similar difficulties confronted the inter-Party Government. Their action then was far more costly to the country than will be the action taken by the Fianna Fáil Government today in similar circumstances. What happened in 1956 must never happen again. We in Cork city remember very well the years of inter-Party Government. We had unemployment; we had emigration. Our biggest factories were on half-time. Worse still, people lost all confidence in the future of the country. The year ahead is a promising one, especially in the field of exports. If full advantage is to be gained and if we are to avail of all the opportunities, then the country must be geared to meet the challenges that will certainly confront us.

I am amazed at the picture that has been painted here by some members of the Opposition. I wonder are these Deputies trying to engender panic in our people? Or are they trying to bulldoze the Government into taking irresponsible action? That is the question that is being asked. I am afraid the Opposition have failed to engender any panic. We are an educated people and people generally are fully aware that the Government are obliged, as a responsible Government, to take responsible action to cure the country of its present ills. I fail to understand why the Opposition are so critical of Fianna Fáil policy. No matter what legislation is introduced, it is bitterly opposed by the Opposition and, in particular, by Fine Gael.

We are told we do not oppose enough.

The extraordinary thing is that the legislation brought in by Fianna Fáil has been successful and has been welcomed by the people. If that were not the fact, we should not be sitting here today on these benches. Fifty years ago great sacrifices, including the supreme sacrifice, were made by great men. Today we are asking the people to make little or no sacrifice to ensure that whatever difficulties the country is in will be successfully surmounted at the earliest possible opportunity.

I am a member of a trade union and it is only right and proper that I should refer to the importance of bringing about closer co-operation between worker and employer. Unless there is this co-operation, what hope is there for the future? If there are difficulties and if the wheels of industry are not running as smoothly as they should, it is only to be expected that both sides should come together in mutual understanding of each other's problems. The Irish worker has brought this country through many a crucial stage and I have no doubt that Irish workers will co-operate now—I speak on behalf of the workers of Cork in the main—in whatever action may be necessary on the part of themselves and their trade unions. No sacrifice is too great for progress.

Listening to the debate here I have been wondering if we are being told indirectly that the Government should never have approved, if you like, of the Irish worker getting an increase of 12 per cent in 1964. I wonder are we being told now that that was wrong. In 1964 industrial production was the highest on record. So, too, were exports. Surely the Irish worker was entitled to his slice of the cake. It is very important that incentives should be given to the worker; if the incentive is forthcoming, the Irish worker will prove his worth in industry and elsewhere. I propound my views so that the man in the street will understand the circumstances. The Opposition must remember that they are dealing with educated people, with people who understand the problems and who are prepared to co-operate, irrespective of what sacrifices are expected of them.

I say in all sincerity that at a time like this the people of Ireland, not only we on the benches of this House, are looking for leadership from the Government and also from the Opposition, and, so far, that leadership has not come from the Opposition benches. There is still time when we leave this House to go back to our constituencies, to put the problems before the people and to ask their co-operation to help the country out of the present circumstances and put it on the road to prosperity. If they make that appeal to the people, the people will give all the help and co-operation asked of them and give it willingly.

The Budget of 1966 which we have been discussing over the past month is a cruel, hard and deceptive Budget. Despite the fact that we know the people were expecting, through Government pronouncements, a tough Budget, this Budget surpasses their worst expectations. It is a Budget designed to take the money out of the people's pockets and to produce a surplus next year, and it can only be said for Fianna Fáil that over the past few years they have been getting more and more for worse and worse. As one wit has said, we do not mind supporting the Government but we think the Government should leave us enough to support ourselves. After this Budget the people will have little left to support themselves. Never has so little been done by so many for so few.

We now have an all-time record increase in taxation of £12 million, and that despite the promises made by Deputy MacEntee when he was Tánaiste in 1956 and also by the present Taoiseach that Fianna Fáil would not further increase taxation. Despite that £12 million increase in taxation, only a miserly 5/- per week is being handed out to the destitute poor, to the widows and blind persons. I asked a question only a week ago and I was told that only 21,000 old age pensioners would qualify for that increase, despite the fact that "Truth in the News" had glaring headlines on the day of the Budget that all old age pensioners would get an increase, and this increase which was normally given from 1st August is now postponed until 1st November.

In 1964, the Government gave an increase of 2/6d. per week to the old age pensioners and they paid it from 1st August of that year. They gave an increase of £16 per week to the High Court judges and made that increase retrospective to the previous November. Many Deputies have spoken here of the sacrifices made in 1916. This year is the fiftieth anniversary of the deaths of the men who gave their lives for Irish freedom and many people are today inclined to ask if it was worth it all. Did they die in vain? Have we let them down? Unfortunately for the Irish people, Fianna Fáil have been in office for 28 of the past 34 years and far from cherishing all our people equally, their policy has been to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. There is no denying that.

I have already related what they did in 1964 and we all know the status increases that were given that year when the Government knew the country was in difficulties. They gave increases of between £900 and £1,000 a year to people in top positions. The same Government are now prepared to pay an increase of no more than £1 per week to the lower-paid employees. It cannot be said that the present Government have lived up to the ideals of the men of 1916. They gave their life's blood for Ireland but Fianna Fáil are now sucking the life's blood out of the Irish people and the nation is bleeding to death. We are living through a period when, although the financial structure is sound, the Government are sticking to a policy which has brought the nation to the brink of bankruptcy. That cannot be denied.

The Government have hawked the credit of the nation throughout the world. They were refused a loan in America and had to seek one in Germany, a country which was torn to shreds by two world wars and where, before they could go to work to build up the nation, the people had to make the tools with which to work. They got from Germany a loan of £10 million at a rate of interest which Deputy MacEntee calculated is about ten per cent. If that money was borrowed to build houses, to build hospitals or to give employment to our own people, we might say that there was some sense in it but it has been borrowed to pay debts incurred by the Government.

I read in a newspaper recently, as recently as March 23rd, that the Minister for Health was shocked by the challenge to the institutions of Government. In 1956, in a time of similar challenge, the Fianna Fáil Deputies of Limerick marched in the funerals of people who were challenging the institutions of this State. Their chickens are now coming home to roost.

It is opportune to ask now what has produced this present situation, what, to quote the Minister for Finance, has gone wrong? We all have to admit that the answer is the deliberate inflationary policy which the Government have pursued since taking office in 1957. The Government were determined to pursue an open inflationary policy and the evils that would ensue from such a policy were pointed out to them time after time in this House by different speakers. Deputy Sweetman, Deputy Dillon and Deputy T. F. O'Higgins all pointed out their mistake. I will not go into the number of times Deputy Dillon told them, but I think it was 17 times he pointed out to them what would happen if the Government continued their inflationary policy. But, despite that warning, the Government paid no heed.

Last week, the Minister for Transport and Power said in this House that we had rank inflation since 1962, that "inflation" is a dirty word and that it is time the people of Ireland came to realise that it is a dirty word. Why did he not preach that in the Fianna Fáil Cabinet? I want to give him credit for going as far as he went because it has been known throughout the country for the past three or four years that he did say that. It was well known that there was division in the Fianna Fáil Cabinet when the Minister for Transport and Power was warning them for the past two or three years. He was prepared to put country before policy but the Government were not. Their idea was to get back into office and to stay there. Their idea was to use the people's money to retain their positions and to keep the fruits of office for themselves and for their own followers. It is a pity the Government did not listen to those warnings.

It might be no harm to refer to what Deputy Dillon said in a speech at Mountbellew on 3rd October, 1964, as reported in the Irish Independent of the following day. He said that the economic situation in the country was highly critical. He said he pointed out to the Government on the debate on the Adjournment on 1st July, 1964, that certain trends in Great Britain could no longer continue after the general election and that the post-election period in Great Britain would bring new and formidable problems for this country. Deputy Dillon continued that speech by saying that the Government here were entitled to reasonable time to demonstrate what steps they proposed to take to meet the new situation. He said that if, as he expected, they had no plans to deal with what could only be described as the crisis which then confronted the country, it was high time for them to get out.

Deputy Dillon suspected and, unfortunately for this country, he was right that at that time the Government had no plans to deal with the situation confronting them. When the Taoiseach taunts us about why we do not make proposals or why we do not say this or say that, I would remind the House that when he was questioned in 1956, he said it was the duty of the Government, as they hold the reins of office, to make the proposals and to govern the country, to control the economy and to balance all the factors, one against the other. They are the only people in a position to know the full facts. They have the Civil Service behind them and they have other ways of finding out and nobody else has the same opportunity. Such information is not available to the Opposition. The Government, with all that information available to them, should be able to avoid the successions of boom and slump which have been the unfortunate lot of the country. Let us admit that they have failed to do their duty which was pointed out to them by the Minister for Transport and Power. They took a gambler's chance on gaining admission to the Common Market to cover up all their faults and failings. They have since negotiated the Free Trade Agreement with Britain and all their hopes now seem to be dependent on that agreement.

The more we look at the sad history of the past few days, the more each and every one of us realises the Government's responsibility for our present plight; the more we realise how necessary it is that the Dáil—and not outside bodies—should hear a statement from the Government; the more we realise it is time the Taoiseach, or somebody else, came in here and told us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Let us admit the incontrovertible fact that we have not been told the truth for a long time.

No later than 16th November, when the Fianna Fáil Árd Fheis was being held, the Taoiseach referred to a time of economic difficulty. The report of his speech to the Árd Fheis on that occasion is to be found in the Irish Independent of Wednesday, 17th November. He said they need not be unduly perturbed because exceptional difficulties were affecting the country's rate of economic progress at that time. He then said he had taken measures to deal with the situation not a moment too soon and not a moment too late.

I want to say deliberately that Fianna Fáil have not told the people the truth for the past month and they are not telling them the truth today, even in Leinster House. The Minister for Local Government, in particular, is withholding information from the people.

That is true.

Every county council in Ireland will get a rude awakening within the next few days because a circular has gone out to each of them and when the county councils discuss and digest that circular, they will realise that it puts an end to housebuilding in every county of Ireland for the next year.

Water schemes.

Water schemes, sewerage schemes — the whole lot. I shall quote from the circular issued from the Department of Local Government on 22nd March, 1966, just to let the House know how bad things are. In the concluding paragraph, we read that it will be necessary to finance approximately ten per cent of the global capital allocation for any county council area for housing, sanitary and miscellaneous services from sources other than the Local Loans Fund or from internal resources. Just to show how bad things are, there is mention of receipts from the sale of lands or other property and special repayments of advances for house purchase loans.

The county councils of Ireland are being told in effect at the present time, when they are crying out for land on which to build more houses: "If you have an acre or two anywhere in the county, put it up for auction: sell it immediately and try to meet some of your commitments." The county councils are also being told: "If a person has borrowed money for a house, get after him immediately and try to get him to pay the loan. Try to get him to pay it within the next few months instead of over the next 35 years."

As regards County Westmeath, due to the fact that the Minister for Local Government has been telling us that money is available and that money will be available and has denied that there is a shortage of money, our county council are pledged to pay £131,000 in grants and loans, but, according to this circular from the Government, our total allocation for 1966-67 will be a sum of £92,000. In other words, Westmeath County Council will be £39,000 short in the amount necessary to meet their commitments from last year. We must call a special meeting to tell the people that housebuilding has drawn to a close and that neither Westmeath County Council nor the Government have any money to give to pay loans or grants and that the only suggestion we have got from the Government is to get the money from the sale of land or other property.

Progress reported; Committee to sit again.
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