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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 15 Nov 1967

Vol. 231 No. 2

Election of Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

Tairgim:

Go gceapfar an Teachta Seán Dunne mar Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

Ba mhaith liom an Teachta Seán Dunne do mholadh mar Leas-Cheann Comhairle na Dála. Molaim an Teachta Dunne mar is é mo thuairim agus is é tuairim ár bPairtí go ndeánbaidh sé obair an phóist go maith nó níos fearr ná aon duine eile sa Tí seo. Is Teachta Dála é le cúig nó sé bliana deág anuas agus tá a fios ag gach éinne go bhfuil an-taithí aige agus go bhfuil sé ábalta an gnó do dhéanamh. Fíor-Ghael is ea é agus mar is eol do gach éinne, tá sé taobh thiar de athbeochan na Gaeilge.

A Cheann Comhairle, I have great pleasure in proposing, on behalf of my Party, that Deputy Seán Dunne be elected Leas-Cheann Comhairle of Dáil Éireann. Seán Dunne has been a Member of this House for 16 years and it is, I think, recognised by both sides of the House—as, indeed, it is recognised by the public—that he is an experienced parliamentarian. In particular, I am sure the Members of this House must be aware of how well he is acquainted with Dáil procedure. This arises from the fact that ever since he became a Member of Dáil Éireann, he has been one of the most frequent contributors to debates during his long term as a Deputy. It may also be said for him that, whilst he is able to give and take, and is well equipped to give and take in debates, he is one who does not bear a grudge and is one, therefore, who, if elected to this office of Leas-Cheann Comhairle, would be impartial in his decisions. I have no doubt that he would carry out his functions in a fair and impartial manner.

Furthermore, he is recognised as a true Gael. He is a fluent Irish speaker and we must, therefore, recognise that he has one of the most important qualifications for the post for which we now propose him. Apart from his fluency in the Irish language, he has been, and this again is well known, one who has all his life promoted the advancement of the language.

There is one final comment I should like to make. Every Member of this House should be conscious of what we are now doing. We are electing an officer of the House. This is an important and vital office in Dáil Éireann. The Leas-Cheann Comhairle will preside over debates for approximately half of the time. He will preside over an assembly comprised of three Parties —Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Labour —and three or four Independents. I believe that the election of Leas-Cheann Comhairle, in view of the importance of the position, is one which should be the responsibility of Deputies of all Parties. As I say, this is a man who will decide very many important issues. This is not just a social or an economic issue. It is not one on which we can have reservations. On social and economic issues, it can be pleaded to be legitimate to abstain in view of certain obligations; but this, let me repeat, is a decision in which we will decide who will be Leas-Cheann Comhairle and my Party believe that, because it is such a decision, we should give a positive expression of our choice, not by silence and not by default.

I second the motion.

Tairgim:

Go gceapfar an Teachta Denis Jones mar Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

Táim ag ainmniú an Teachta Jones mar Leas-Cheann Comhairle mar táim lán-tsásta go mbeadh sé in ann dualgaisí na hoifige sin a chomhlíonadh i ngach slí a shásóidh baill an Tí seo go hiomlán.

Mar is eol díbh tá sé ag gníomhú mar chomhalta i gceannas sa Dáil le roinnt bhliain anuas agus le linn dó bheith ag gníomhú mar sin ní dóigh liom go bhféadfadh éinne a rá nár thug sé cothrom na Féinne glan do chuile dhuine. Chomh maith leis an taithí sin, tá scoith na Gaeilge aige maraon leis an eolas agus an oiliúint is gá chun na hoibre seo.

Ar na hábhair sin, cuirim ainm an Teachta Jones os bhur gcomhair mar níl amhras ar bith ann i dtaobh é bheith lán-oiriúnach don phost.

I second the motion.

Sar a gcuirtear an Cheist ba mhaith liom an méid seo a rá. De réir tráidísúin, tá sé mar nós againn sa Tí seo, nuair a thoghtar Teachta ó thaobh an Rialtais mar Cheann Comhairle, gan éinne o thaobh an Rialtais d'ainmniu mar Leas-Cheann Comhairle. Mar sin, níl sé ar intinn againn éinne d'ainmniú le h-aghaidh an phoist sin ach é fhágaint ag Pairtithe an Fhreasúra an post sin a líonadh.

It has been well established by tradition and invariable precedent that when the Ceann Comhairle has been elected from amongst the Deputies representing the Government side of the House, the Leas-Cheann Comhairle is nominated from amongst Deputies representing the Opposition. For that reason, my Party have decided not to put forward any candidate for this post and to leave the selection of the Leas-Cheann Comhairle to the Parties in Opposition.

We have no animosity in the wide world towards Deputy Jones but I do not think the Pontius Pilate act of the Taoiseach is going to convince anybody. As I said, this is an election of an officer of the House and I believe everybody should participate. The Taoiseach knows that by his Party deciding not to vote in this election in fact they are voting to have a Fine Gael Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

Deputies

Hear, hear.

It is about time the workers of the country knew that the two Conservative Parties were coming together.

I think the workers of Ireland are beginning to know a lot of other things, about those who want that Party to remain in office over there.

Question put and declared lost.

Votáil. It is obvious what the result is going to be. We do not quibble but I think a decision should be made by the votes of the House.

Question put: "That Deputy Seán Dunne be appointed Leas-Cheann Comhairle."
The Dáil divided: Tá, 20; Níl, 43.

  • Cluskey, Frank.
  • Corish, Brendan.
  • Coughlan, Stephen.
  • Desmond, Eileen.
  • Dunne, Seán.
  • Kyne, Thomas A.
  • Larkin, Denis.
  • McAuliffe, Patrick.
  • Mullen, Michael.
  • Murphy, Michael P.
  • Norton, Patrick.
  • O'Connell, John F.
  • O'Leary, Michael.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Sheridan, Joseph.
  • Spring, Dan.
  • Tierney, Patrick.
  • Treacy, Seán.
  • Tully, James.
  • Tully, John.

Níl

  • Barrett, Stephen D.
  • Barry, Richard.
  • Belton, Luke.
  • Belton, Paddy.
  • Burke, Joan T.
  • Burton, Philip.
  • Byrne, Patrick.
  • Clinton, Mark A.
  • Collins, Seán.
  • Connor, Patrick.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Cosgrave, Liam.
  • Costello, Declan.
  • Costello, John A.
  • Creed, Donal.
  • Crotty, Patrick J.
  • Dillon, James M.
  • Dockrell, Henry P.
  • Donegan, Patrick S.
  • Donnellan, John.
  • Dunne, Thomas.
  • Esmonde, Sir Anthony C.
  • Farrelly, Denis.
  • Fitzpatrick, Thomas J. (Cavan).
  • Flanagan, Oliver J.
  • Gilhawley, Eugene.
  • Governey, Desmond.
  • Harte, Patrick D.
  • Hogan, Patrick (South Tipperary).
  • Hogan O'Higgins, Brigid.
  • Jones, Denis F.
  • Kenny, Henry.
  • L'Estrange, Gerald.
  • Lindsay, Patrick J.
  • Lyons, Michael D.
  • McLaughlin, Joseph.
  • O'Donnell, Tom.
  • O'Hara, Thomas.
  • O'Higgins, Michael J.
  • O'Higgins, Thomas F. K.
  • Reynolds, Patrick J.
  • Ryan, Richie.
  • Sweetman, Gerald.
Tellers:— Tá: Deputies James Tully and O'Connell; Níl: Deputies L'Estrange and Crotty.
Question declared lost.
Question put: "That Deputy Denis Jones be appointed Leas-Cheann Comhairle."
The Dáil divided: Tá, 43; Níl, 20.

  • Barrett, Stephen D.
  • Barry, Richard.
  • Belton, Luke.
  • Belton, Paddy.
  • Burke, Joan T.
  • Burton, Philip.
  • Byrne, Patrick.
  • Clinton, Mark A.
  • Collins, Seán.
  • Connor, Patrick.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Cosgrave, Liam.
  • Costello, Declan.
  • Costello, John A.
  • Creed, Donal.
  • Crotty, Patrick J.
  • Dillon, James M.
  • Dockrell, Henry P.
  • Donegan, Patrick S.
  • Donnellan, John.
  • Dunne, Thomas.
  • Esmonde, Sir Anthony C.
  • Farrelly, Denis.
  • Fitzpatrick, Thomas J. (Cavan).
  • Flanagan, Oliver J.
  • Gilhawley, Eugene.
  • Governey, Desmond.
  • Harte, Patrick D.
  • Hogan, Patrick (South Tipperary).
  • Hogan O'Higgins, Brigid.
  • Jones, Denis F.
  • Kenny, Henry.
  • L'Estrange, Gerald.
  • Lindsay, Patrick J.
  • Lyons, Michael D.
  • McLaughlin, Joseph.
  • O'Donnell, Tom.
  • O'Hara, Thomas.
  • O'Higgins Michael J.
  • O'Higgins, Thomas F. K.
  • Reynolds, Patrick J.
  • Ryan, Richie.
  • Sweetman, Gerard.

Níl

  • Cluskey, Frank.
  • Corish, Brendan.
  • Coughlan, Stephen.
  • Desmond, Eileen.
  • Dunne, Seán.
  • Kyne, Thomas A.
  • Larkin, Denis.
  • McAuliffe, Patrick.
  • Mullen, Michael.
  • Murphy, Michael P.
  • Norton, Patrick.
  • O'Connell, John F.
  • O'Leary, Michael.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Sheridan, Joseph.
  • Spring, Dan.
  • Tierney, Patrick.
  • Treacy, Seán.
  • Tully, James.
  • Tully, John.
Tellers:— Tá: Deputies L'Estrange and Crotty; Níl: Deputies James Tully and O'Connell.
Question declared carried.

Ba mhaith liomsa comhgáirdeachas a dheanamh leis an Teachta Jones ar an ocáid seo. Is mór an omós atá agam air——

Tá an méad atá ráite ag an Teachta as ordú. Taimíd réidh leis an gceist agus ní ceart níos mó cainte a bheith ann fé dtaobh de.

There is no harm in congratulating the man appointed, is there?

I am sure the Deputy will get some other opportunity.

He would like to do it now with the permission of the Chair.

An féidir leis an Cathaoir an seans seo a thabhairt dom?

Is féidir.

Tá súil agam go mbeidh ráth ar an Teachta Jones san obair a bheidh le déanamh aige. I would like to say very briefly that I want to congratulate Deputy Jones, whose undoubted qualities I am very much aware of, on his election to this very responsible office. I want to assure him of the fullest possible co-operation and support, and indeed the personal good wishes of myself and my Party, in the task which lies before him.

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