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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 28 Oct 1970

Vol. 249 No. 1

Death of Member. - Prices and Incomes (Temporary Provisions) Bill, 1970: First Stage.

I move:

That leave be granted to introduce a Bill entitled an Act to provide, for a limited period, for the regulation and restriction or prohibition of increases of wages, salaries and other remuneration, dividends and rents for the purpose of safeguarding the economy, in the national interest, from the present serious dangers threatening it, for that purpose to amend and extend, for a limited period, the Prices Acts, 1958 and 1965, and to provide for other matters connected with the matters aforesaid.

We oppose this Bill, which is described as a prices and incomes measure.

The position is that because the Deputy is opposing this I will call on the Minister to make a short statement and then call on the leaders of the other two parties to make brief statements also.

All Deputies, I think, are well aware of the main provisions of this Bill. Although the Bill itself is not before the House, the provisions have been widely publicised. I do not propose, therefore, to go into any detailed explanation of the provisions at this stage. I merely wish to refer to the fact that they are part of what might be described as a package deal, the second part of which will come under the Financial Resolutions to be discussed later in the afternoon.

Broadly, they provide for temporary control of incomes across the board — not merely wages and salaries — for control of rents and for an extension and a strengthening of price control machinery. That is a broad outline, and all I wish to say in explanation at this stage is that the various economic indicators which make this package deal necessary will be referred to in more detail by me later. However, there is one indicator with which every man, woman and child in the country is familiar, and that is the grossly accelerated rate of prices——

Which the Minister accelerated in his Budget. This is the low wage Bill.

Those who oppose this measure, whether outside or inside the House, have failed to produce a reasonable alternative to it. By that I do not mean suggestions which on examination have been shown to mean nothing. If such people fail to produce a reasonable alternative and still oppose the principle of this Bill they stand before our people branded as people who do not care if the prices of all those commodities which the housewife must buy will shoot up and who do not care if thousands of our people are thrown out of work.

(Interruptions.)

Is Deputy O'Higgins opposing the introduction of this Bill?

I oppose it.

I give way to Deputy Corish.

Let us hear from Fine Gael first.

The Minister in his blustering remarks in introducing this Bill has given clear evidence of the malaise in the benches behind him. We are all conscious of the grossly accelerating rate of price increases. We were so conscious of this on the 23rd April last when the Taoiseach introduced the Budget on behalf of the then Minister for Finance that we reminded him that the turnover tax would lead to this present situation. We have no confidence in any prices and incomes policy introduced by any member of this Government. Anything they produce, we reject.

Deputies

Hear, hear.

Because this is a matter of confidence and of trust I shall be dealing with it in some detail later but suffice it to say now that this appalling mess for which the Government by their ineptitude, by their incompetence and by their lack of courage are responsible, cannot be solved by any composite, contrived or panicky method put together by the two halves of Fianna Fáil. We reject this Bill and will not support it.

It is difficult to understand the approach of the Minister for Finance to this measure. His concern for the Irish housewife now is pathetic, particularly when one remembers that during his long reign as Minister for Industry and Commerce he did nothing to control prices.

In ordinary circumstances we would not oppose the First Stage of any Bill on the principle that we would like to see what was in it but the Minister let us know most of the details on Friday night last. As far as this party is concerned and as far as the trade union movement is concerned neither they nor we will ever agree to any measure which takes away the right to free collective bargaining. The Government failed to control prices and they now pretend to put a blanket on all incomes. I do not believe this will be so. If the Government wanted to control prices they have had adequate machinery for doing so during the past four or five years, but they have not done so. In fact, the only commodities investigated under the Prices Bill were electricity and bread while the price of everything else has soared since that Act was passed.

In the Budget speech delivered in April last by the Taoiseach, deputising for the then Minister for Finance, we were assured that there would be strict price control. There has been no evidence of this and neither has there been any evidence of any intention on the part of the Government to enforce any sort of price control. The Minister for Finance has told us that price control will be limited to certain items. As far as I can remember, this involved the principal items that went into the basket of the housewife. If there is to be price control, it should be such.

While we all welcome the change of heart on the part of the Minister — I do not know who influenced him — in regard to the 12th round agreement, this change is typical of the Government's indecision. Within a short week they have changed their minds on a very important matter. This will not satisfy the Irish Congress of Trade Unions and those affiliated to it. The Government have shown disregard and disrespect for the views of the trade union movement. I am aware that the trade unions have sought an interview with the Taoiseach. This was asked for while he was in New York and I do not know whether it has been granted. The Bill will now be printed but there will not have been adequate consultation with the trade union movement. As far as the employer-labour conference is concerned it will be seen that the trade union movement were honest and sincere in trying to work out a wage formula but the Government decided to have this blanket freeze.

We are not impressed either by the Government's proposals as stated by the Minister for Finance that there will be control of dividends and profits. Dividends and profits can be put aside and paid on the 1st January, 1972 but wages and salaries lost cannot be recovered. We are aware that it is possible to have measures to control wages and salaries but we do not believe that there will be control of dividends and profits or of profits on the sale of lands.

I want to impress on the Government that the Irish Congress of Trade Unions are opposed violently to a wage freeze and that as far as we are concerned, we will support the trade unions of this country in whatever legitimate action they decide on.

Question put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 75; Níl, 67.

  • Aiken, Frank.
  • Allen, Lorcan.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Barrett, Sylvester.
  • Blaney, Neil.
  • Boland, Kevin.
  • Boylan, Terence.
  • Brady, Philip A.
  • Brennan, Joseph.
  • Brennan, Paudge.
  • Briscoe, Ben.
  • Brosnan, Seán.
  • Browne, Patrick.
  • Browne, Seán.
  • Burke, Patrick J.
  • Carter, Frank.
  • Carty, Michael.
  • Childers, Erskine.
  • Colley, George.
  • Collins, Gerard.
  • Connolly, Gerard C.
  • Cowen, Bernard.
  • Cronin, Jerry.
  • Crowley, Flor.
  • Cunningham, Liam.
  • Davern, Noel.
  • de Valera, Vivion.
  • Dowling, Joe.
  • Fahey, Jackie.
  • Faulkner, Pádraig.
  • Fitzpatrick, Tom (Dublin Central).
  • Flanagan, Seán.
  • Foley, Desmond.
  • Forde, Paddy.
  • French, Seán.
  • Gallagher, James.
  • Geoghegan, John.
  • Gibbons, Hugh.
  • Gibbons, James.
  • Gogan, Richard P.
  • Haughey, Charles.
  • Healy, Augustine A.
  • Herbert Michael.
  • Hillery, Patrick J.
  • Hilliard, Michael.
  • Hussey, Thomas.
  • Kenneally, William.
  • Kitt, Michael F.
  • Lalor, Patrick J.
  • Lemass, Noel T.
  • Lenehan, Joseph.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Loughnane, William A.
  • Lynch, Celia.
  • Lynch, John.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • MacSharry, Ray.
  • Meaney, Thomas.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Moore, Seán.
  • Moran, Michael.
  • Nolan, Thomas.
  • Noonan, Michael.
  • O'Connor, Timothy.
  • O'Kennedy, Michael.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Des.
  • Power, Patrick.
  • Sheridan, Joseph.
  • Sherwin, Seán.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Timmons, Eugene.
  • Tunney, Jim.
  • Wyse, Pearse.

Níl

  • Barry, Peter.
  • Barry, Richard.
  • Begley, Michael.
  • Belton, Luke.
  • Belton, Paddy.
  • Browne, Noël.
  • Bruton, John.
  • Burke, Joan.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Cooney, Patrick M.
  • Corish, Brendan.
  • Cosgrave, Liam.
  • Cott, Gerard.
  • Coughlan, Stephen.
  • Creed, Donal.
  • Crotty, Kieran.
  • Cruise-O'Brien, Conor.
  • Desmond, Barry.
  • Dockrell, Henry P.
  • Dockrell, Maurice E.
  • Donegan, Patrick S.
  • Donnellan, John.
  • Dunne, Thomas.
  • Enright, Thomas W.
  • Esmonde, Sir Anthony C.
  • Finn, Martin.
  • FitzGerald, Garret.
  • Fitzpatrick, Tom (Cavan).
  • Flanagan, Oliver J.
  • Fox, Billy.
  • Governey, Desmond.
  • Harte, Patrick D.
  • Hogan, Patrick.
  • Hogan O'Higgins, Brigid.
  • Burke, Liam.
  • Burke, Richard.
  • Burton, Philip.
  • Byrne, Hugh.
  • Clinton, Mark A.
  • Cluskey, Frank.
  • Collins, Edward.
  • Conlan, John F.
  • Jones, Denis F.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Keating, Justin.
  • Kenny, Henry.
  • L'Estrange, Gerald.
  • Lynch, Gerard.
  • McLaughlin, Joseph.
  • Malone, Patrick.
  • Murphy, Michael P.
  • O'Connell, John F.
  • O'Donnell, Tom.
  • O'Donovan, John.
  • O'Hara, Thomas.
  • O'Higgins, Thomas F.
  • O'Leary, Michael.
  • O'Reilly, Paddy.
  • O'Sullivan, John L.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Ryan, Richie.
  • Spring, Dan.
  • Taylor, Francis.
  • Thornley, David.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Treacy, Seán.
  • Tully, James.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Andrews and Meaney; Níl, Deputies R. Burke and Cluskey.
Question declared carried.

Tuesday week.

When will the Bill be circulated?

It will be circulated in a few days.

This week?

I would hope it would go out on Saturday but, failing that, it will be Monday.

(Interruptions.)
Second Stage ordered for Tuesday, 10th November, 1970.
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