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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 5 Dec 1973

Vol. 269 No. 8

Army Pensions Bill, 1973: Second Stage.

I move:

"That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

Before I deal with any of the provisions in this Bill I think I should mention that it was almost entirely prepared when my predecessor was in office. I am glad, however, to have the opportunity to introduce the Bill, which I am confident will be welcomed by all sections of the House.

There are three main types of pensions under the Army Pensions Acts. Wound pensions are granted where the degree of disablement is not less than 20 per cent. Disease pensions are given where the disablement attributable to service is not less than 80 per cent and vary with the degree of disablement. Where the disablement is less than 80 per cent but not less than 50 per cent reduced pensions are payable at a final flat rate. The Acts also provide for pensions where the disablement is not caused by service but is aggravated by service.

The main object of the Bill is to provide for the review, within reasonable limitations, of final pensions granted under the Army Pensions Acts and to provide for the review of certain other types of cases arising under these Acts. At present the Acts lay down certain limiting periods in which application for review must be made. In many cases these periods have long since expired and this Bill will enable these cases to be reviewed at the request of the pensioner.

The Act of 1932 laid down a period of ten years after the grant of a final wound or disease pension in which application for review of the final grant should be made. Section 2 of this Bill provides that, where that period has expired, such final pension may be given a first review at any time at the request of the pensioner on production of medical evidence that the degree of disablement has increased by at least 10 per cent, and thereafter may be reviewed at intervals of not less than two years. In special circumstances the Minister for Defence may authorise earlier review. The section also provides for the reassessment of the degree of disablement by the Army Pensions Board and for the increase, reduction or suspension of the pension in accordance with the degree of disablement found on reassessment. If the degree of disablement due to disease is found to be less than 80 per cent but not less than 50 per cent, a final flat rate pension may be awarded.

Section 3 deals with the review of the final flat rate pensions to which I have referred. Under the Acts as they stand these pensions cannot be reviewed. Section 3 of the Bill enables them to be reviewed subject to much the same conditions as apply to final disease pensions. If, on reassessment, the degree of disablement is found to be not less than 80 per cent a disease pension may be awarded in lieu of the final flat rate pension. The section also provides for the suspension of the final flat rate pension if the degree of disablement is found on reassessment to be less than 50 per cent and for its restoration if on subsequent application for review, the degree of disablement is found to be less than 80 per cent but not less than 50 per cent.

Under the Acts at present there is no provision for the review of final pensions granted in respect of disease aggravated by service. Section 4 makes a somewhat similar provision for the review of these cases as is made in section 2 in relation to the final disease pensions.

Under the Acts a gratuity may be paid if the degree of disablement due to a wound attributable to service is less than the pensionable minimum of 20 per cent. Different periods in which the application for review must be made, are laid down. It is considered only fair that a person who was awarded a wound gratuity should be given an opportunity of having one final review of his case. Sections 5, 6 and 7 provide accordingly. They also provide for the grant of pensions if the degree of disablement is found, on reassessment, to be not less than the 20 per cent minimum for a wound pension.

Section 8 provides for the review of a case where the application was not successful because the degree of disablement due to disease attributable to service did not reach the pensionable minimum of 50 per cent. The conditions for review are the same as those in sections 2 and 3 and provision is made for the grant of a pension if the degree of disablement is found on reassessment to have reached the pensionable minimum. Section 9 is on exactly similar lines except that it deals with "aggravation" cases as distinct from "attributability" cases.

Sections 10 and 12 call for little comment. They are merely consequential amendments to certain provisions of the Acts which are necessitated by changes in Defence Force Regulations.

Prior to 1953 pensions under the Military Service Pensions Act, 1924, were not payable while an officer or soldier was still serving. In some instances the officer or soldier died in service and consequently their widows were not entitled to an allowance under the Army Pensions Act, 1971. Section 11 enables an allowance to be granted in these cases. However, the appropriate allowances have already been awarded in anticipation of the Bill and section 11 provides the statutory authority for the payments.

I trust that my remarks have helped to make the provisions of the Bill clearer to Deputies. I commend the Bill to the House.

I should like to thank the Minister for acknowledging that his predecessor had a lot to do with the preparation of this Bill. There is nothing political to be gained in this Bill for any party. We are all agreed on what it contains. We will discuss, on Committee Stage, minor matters.

I am anxious that this Bill should become law as soon as possible. We should be able to take all Stages today, which I think is the Minister's intention. My party intend to facilitate the Minister as far as possible. Anybody who has read the Bill and the explanatory memorandum will see that the first nine sections refer to giving some wounded or disabled people a final fling, so to speak. They had many complaints down through the years. They said that their cases should be reheard but they could not have them reheard because of some rule or regulation which prohibited them either in the 1932 Act or the 1949 Act. They felt very aggrieved and as time went on they became more aggrieved. I would not blame them.

The purpose of the first nine sections of this Bill is to give people who were refused a wound pension or a pension for a disease contracted while they were in the service a chance to restate their case. The Minister will be able to have their cases reopened and referred to the pension board for decision. I have no doubt that many of them will be successful. We should not delay this matter any further because these people are not young.

The Minister says that sections 10 and 12 call for little comment. I suppose they tidy up the position. Section 11 deals with the 1971 Act under which widows could get an allowance if their husbands had been in receipt of an Army pension at the time of death. It was found that a group of people had been left out and they are now being dealt with under this Bill. There are many widows of Old IRA men who had special allowances who are not included in the 1971 Bill. I wonder could anything be done about them. They were entitled to £1 per week or half of the pension on the death of their husbands. I know that medal-holders got special allowances.

Perhaps the Minister could include the widows of Old IRA medal-holders who were in receipt of special allowances at the time of their death. A very strict means test is applied to those claims. These widows feel they should get some allowance. Some of them may be reaching the age when they will get the old age pension and some of them may be in receipt of widows' pension. While the special allowance is not very large these widows are most anxious that they should get consideration. The Minister probably cannot deal with them on this Bill but I hope he will consider the matter.

The Fianna Fáil Party agree with the Minister on what is contained in this Bill. We support it. I thank the Minister for his reference to his predecessor who had a lot to do with the preparation of this Bill. There are no political kudos to be gained by either party and I am anxious that the Bill should go through the House as quickly as possible.

I want to make an observation on this important measure. I want to make a plea to the Minister and to the Minister for Finance that there should be some remission of taxation on the pensions of the Old IRA who are a dwindling element in our community.

I should like to thank Deputy Meaney for his remarks in relation to my quite proper and truthful statement that my predecessor was in office when most of this Bill was drafted. I regard the Ministry of Defence as a national Ministry which should be removed as far as possible from politics. In my view this Ministry provides a national service under the strictest provisions of our Constitution and our laws and it will benefit greatly from Deputy Meaney's approach and, although I say it myself, from my own approach in acknowledging the work of my predecessor.

Deputy Meaney raised the question of doing something for widows of special allowance holders. I am not against this. I would be very pleased if they could get something extra. The important thing about the special allowance is that it is not a pension. Many people who fought for the freedom of our country in days gone by found themselves, sadly, later on not blessed with the world's goods. In appreciation of the fact that they risked their lives, and of their work for the country, a system was evolved whereby they were given a special allowance on a strict means test. The fact is that the widow of a special allowance holder is no worse off, even though she is probably quite badly off, than any other widow in a similar position. That would be the legalistic view. All I can say to the House is that I am well-disposed towards trying to help those people in every way I can.

Under the Pensions Act, 1971, widows of military service pensioners benefited in so far as they were entitled to half their husbands pensions or £80.52, whichever was the greater. That was a good step forward. There is the legalistic view and, I suppose, the quite materialistic view that the widow of a special allowance holder is no worse off than any other widow in like circumstances. That will be my problem in trying to convince the Minister for Finance that there is a need for this. I think the House will realise that that problem exists. The House desires to do the very maximum for every widow in poor circumstances, no matter who is on this side of the House or that side of the House.

A person was given a special allowance for service to the country at a very crucial stage, at the time of its birth. He was given special treatment, if you like, and special consideration. The question then arises as to whether this should be extended to his widow. I have the utmost sympathy for the views expressed by Deputy Meaney.

Deputy Timmons suggested a remission of taxation for widows of Old IRA men. We would find ourselves with the same sort of problems as we would have in relation to an allowance for widows of special allowance holders. Perhaps the right thing to do is to give them more money from the Exchequer. Very few of these people are paying taxes. I would say with respect to my good friend Deputy Timmons that probably the better way to do it is to try to give them bigger pensions. I can assure the House that is something I would favour.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
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