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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 19 Feb 1974

Vol. 270 No. 6

Private Members' Business. - Income Tax Allowances: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann, in view of the inflation now raging in the economy and the consequent hardship being inflicted on most income tax payers and in particular on those with very low incomes who were never intended to be subject to income tax, calls on the Government to increase substantially the personal, earned income, marriage, child and age allowances under the income tax code and to provide by legislation that, thereafter, such allowances will be adjusted annually in relation to movements in the cost of living index.

This is a motion which, as you know, Sir, under our Standing Orders, would normally have come before the House last week; but the Government, for reasons best known to themselves, decided on two occasions last week to propose and vote that this motion should not be discussed by this House then. I would point out that this motion was put down by me during the Christmas Recess and before the rejection of the national pay agreement. We know that there are further proposals now under consideration. However, the proposals which were rejected would, I think, have been a great deal more attractive to most of the workers if prior to their voting on them this motion had been either discussed or an indication given by the Government of their acceptance at least of the principle behind this motion.

It is rather sad that the Government found it necessary to play politics with this motion, as they did last week, and then to come along today and hold a meeting with the Irish Congress of Trade Unions and subsequently with the Irish Employers' Confederation—a very brief meeting in each case—during the course of which the Taoiseach informed those parties that the Government proposed to do precisely what they are called on to do in this motion.

I believe if the Government, before the voting took place on the Employer-Labour Conference for terms of a national agreement, had approached this problem on the basis on which they are now proposing to do so and on the basis urged in this motion, it might well be that the proposals would have been acceptable. But, for reasons best known to themselves, the Government decided not to do that. It was clear to most people, if not to the Government, that it was essential that the Government should take action if the national pay agreement were to be accepted. The action open to them substantially lay in the field of personal taxation.

I do not profess to understand why it was not possible for the Government a short time ago to make the announcement they made today. It is reprehensible that last week, when this motion was due to come before the House, the Government should on two occasions vote it down and then announce today that they proposed to do precisely what they are called on to do in this motion. It may be that the Minister will have a satisfactory explanation for that conduct by the Government; but in the absence of such an explanation people can only conclude that the Government were playing party politics, not just with this motion but with the whole prospect of a national pay agreement, an agreement which the Government profess to regard as being of vital importance to our economy. Certainly that is a view we take, and our actions in government and indeed in opposition have confirmed that that is our attitude.

It is, however, of some satisfaction to us that our motion has finally wrung out of the Government the statement issued today to the effect that the Government propose in the forthcoming budget to announce increases in income tax personal allowances to commence on the 6th April next and also to provide, as is called for in the motion, that these increases will mark the first step in a policy towards reviewing the personal allowances regularly and at frequent intervals. That is from the statement issued by the Government Information Services today. It does not go as far as this motion goes, but at least it is a step in the right direction. It does show that the Government, despite their mishandling of this situation, are learning something.

It is difficult to discuss this motion while ignoring the context of the national pay agreement but in that context I believe that the Government statement, while it is welcome, should, if it is possible at all, be firmed up by the Minister in his contribution to this debate. All the indications are that in the absence of a very firm commitment by the Government the new proposals for a national pay agreement will not be accepted. You will have noted, Sir, that having refused to give Private Members' time under Standing Orders for this motion the Government then, in the name of the Minister for Finance, put down an amendment. That amendment, of course, is an attempt to justify the Government's inaction in this field in the last budget by suggesting that the previous Government were inactive in this field. It is merely a smokescreen behind which the Government are trying to hide. If the Government believe what is in the amendment, and I propose to show that the considerations that applied in the past are not by any means the same as those which apply today, that is that the previous Government failed to increase income tax allowances adequately in accordance with the fall in the value of money, if that is so then this merely highlights the failure of the present Government when they assumed office and brought in their budget to do anything about it. I would remind you, Sir, that in the last budget brought in by this Government, new increased rates of taxation were imposed on almost everything you can think of and an absolutely record amount of new taxation was imposed. I am not even talking about the yield, which is greater than was estimated but even on the estimate submitted by the Minister it was historically high. I believe that that approach was economically unsound, to say the least, but at least one could expect that in circumstances of that kind the Government would have seen to it that income tax allowances would have been substantially increased. There are a number of reasons for this— firstly, because social justice would have required it and, secondly, because the Government were increasing VAT rates as well as everything else. Remember, you pay the same VAT rate whether you are rich or poor.

Therefore, the Government, in a context of vastly increased taxation, should have increased the income tax allowances in order to assist those who were being hardest hit by the new taxation being imposed. Furthermore, in the context of an increasing rate of inflation and the desire to achieve a national pay agreement it was essential for the Government, if they wanted to create the climate in which a national agreement would be acceptable, to make these further concessions in income tax allowances. They did not do so. All that was done in this Government's budget in relation to income tax was to increase from a maximum of £74 to £104 the wife's earned income relief at a cost, in the present financial year, of half a million pounds.

Whatever the Minister may have to say in the course of his contribution to this debate about failure by previous Governments to adjust income tax allowances, he cannot gainsay the fact that in a previous budget in 1972, when for very sound economic reasons no new taxation whatever was imposed by the Government then in office, they managed to provide more relief in expansion of social welfare services in that year than was done under the extraordinarily high taxation imposed in this year's budget. More was done in that year than in this year if one excludes EEC money but at the same time, the following increased allowances were given in income tax. Personal allowances were increased in respect of the single and widows allowance by £50 to £299 and £324 respectively and the marriage allowance was increased by £70 to £494. The child allowances were increased by £20 each. This took approximately 50,000 taxpayers from the income tax net and reduced the income tax bill for a single person by £17.50 a year, a married man with no children by £24.50 a year and a married man with four children by £1 a week. That cost £11 million in that year. In addition, the age relief for persons of 65 or over was raised by £25 for single and widowed people and by £50 for married persons. A special increase in child allowance for the incapacitated of £50 was introduced and the upper limit of £500 on non-reimbursed medical expenses for each person was abolished. There was no upper limit thereafter.

Therefore, in so far as the Minister wants to make any case about the past, he must remember that to the extent that his case is valid he is simply making a case to show what he should have done in his budget and failed to do it. However, if any comparisons are to be made it is far more valid to compare the budget of 1972 with the budget of 1973 because the circumstances of those, while not the same, were quite similar, far more similar, say, than the budgets of 1957, 1958 and 1959 to which the Minister refers in his motion. The comparison between the budgets of 1973 and 1972 is startling where one finds on the one hand enormously increased taxation and virtually no relief in income tax and on the other hand in 1972 no increased taxation and fairly substantial relief in income tax apart from social welfare.

I suggest that the Minister's amendment takes no account of such things as the fact that the country is now much wealthier than it was in the 1950s, that inflation is now running at an historically high rate and all the indications are that it is going to go considerably higher. Furthermore, from the Minister's point of view, there is now a broad tax base available which was not available in the past. I am sure the Minister is well aware of the problems which faced Ministers for Finance in the past, where there was an undue reliance on what are known as the old reliables—beer, tobacco, spirits and taxes.

As a general approach to the whole problem of taxation, Fianna Fáil broadened the base by introducing turnover and wholesale tax and, ultimately, value-added tax. The result is that the base of tax for the Exchequer is now so broad—and, indeed, was increased substantially by the present Minister in his last budget—that there is no comparison between the situation which faces the Minister for Finance today and that which faced Ministers for Finance in recent years. The present Minister has, ready made, this broad base of tax which provides him with a substantial amount of revenue that would not otherwise be available and a revenue which is related directly to the degree of inflation in the economy.

I do not know—and the Minister does not know—at the moment what the out-turn will be in the current year in regard to value-added tax. But the figures available at the moment seem to show that, from April to December of 1973, value-added tax brought in £96 million : the budget Estimate for the whole year was £116 million. Consequently, whereas—on the basis of the estimates—75 per cent of value-added tax for the whole year should have come in by the end of December, in fact, 83 per cent only had come in. That would suggest a gain to the Exchequer in the region of 8 per cent. The odds are that that will go considerably higher before the end of the financial year. But I cannot say that with certainty and neither can the Minister. Nevertheless, what is clear is that the receipts from value-added tax are considerably higher than the Minister estimated, and he estimated them reasonably generously having regard to the commitments he was entering into in the budget.

Apart from the broad base provided—a base which is related directly to the inflationary situation— the fact is that, with the degree of wage and salary increases which have taken place and are likely to take place now, relief from income tax under the headings we have sought in this motion can result in virtually no cost to the Exchequer. For instance, it is reasonable, I think, to estimate that, in relation to the terms of the proposed national agreement— if they are accepted—between one tax and another, 30 per cent will come back to the Exchequer.

Therefore, there is quite a difference between the situation now and that which obtained in the past. I would remind the Minister, since he wants to go considerably far back in his amendment—I think the public would prefer that he dealt with the present situation and what is looming up—that when we took over Government in 1957, which is the year to which he refers in his amendment, we found the country a considerably poorer place than it is now, and that the overall strength of the economy is now quite different, apart from the factors to which I have already referred.

The great difficulty in the past was the enormous cost to the Exchequer of granting income tax relief. I tried to point out that that problem is by no means as great today as it was in the past, for the reasons I have outlined. Indeed, I think the actions which the previous Government took in the 1972 budget will bear that out; that we were able, without any increase in taxation, to give the substantial income tax relief I detailed earlier. From the point of view of the Minister, that position has improved even further since then. That being so, there is less excuse for the Minister than for any predecessor of his failing to give these reliefs—which he did fail to do in his budget and of which he failed to give any indication until we dragged it out of him with this motion which he tried to prevent being discussed last week.

I would remind the Minister, if he needs reminding—I am never too sure just how far the Minister, like his colleagues, has lost contact with the people; I rather suspect from some things that happen that the loss is somewhat substantial—how people feel at the present time about these income tax allowances. In case he does not know I want to tell him there is no single factor about which people feel a greater sense of grievance than the present income tax allowances. I want to tell him, too, that I believe that apart from the question of social justice, from the point of view of stability in this State, it is vital that adequate allowances be given in income tax under the headings we have sought in this motion; that is the personal, earned income, marriage, child and age allowances. It is essential that substantial increases be given under these headings.

By quick calculation, the Minister will see that if he wants to adjust the tax allowances to allow for the fall in the value of money since we adjusted them in the budget of 1972, he will have to increase them by something in the region of 25 per cent. If he is going to get up here and try to make a case that allowances should have been increased considerably more than they were prior to 1972, then whatever ultimate figure he arrives at as regards the shortfall, he should add that to 25 per cent; to arrive at the correct figure, he should, on his own figures, increase these various allowances.

There is a considerable degree of concern in the country at present on the part of income tax payers in regard to various aspects of the taxation code. There is a widespread demand for a complete revision of the income tax code and for the abolition of anomalies which arise at present. The majority of income taxpayers, if asked what was the first priority for action by the Minister for Finance in regard to any reform of the income tax system, would tell him that it is precisely what is proposed in this motion : substantial increases in the various personal earned income, marriage, child, and age allowances, plus a provision that they will be adjusted hereafter in accordance with the cost of living.

The statement issued today on behalf of the Government does not make that commitment. If I may quote it again:

The increases will mark the first step towards a policy of reviewing the personal allowances regularly and at frequent intervals.

If the Minister and the Government can make such a commitment, why can they not make the commitment called for in this motion? It would be far more effective if such a commitment were made than the kind of statement made here on behalf of the Government. It would be far more effective if there was a firm commitment to review these allowances annually in accordance with the cost of living. The statement by the Government is, I think, intended to convey something very close to that. The Government would have derived far greater benefit by making a firm commitment. There is nothing to be got by the suggestion in the Government statement without that commitment. That is getting the worst of both worlds; it is making the commitment but not getting the value of making it.

It may be asked why such commitment is made at this time and why it was not necessary in the past. There is a very good reason for that. First, never before have our people experienced the present degree of inflation. It is agreed on all sides of the House that the inflation which is to come will be considerably greater than that being experienced at present. This produces a new situation. If a worker is making a claim for an increase in wage or salary he must consider not only an increase which will give him a real improvement but also—and this is even more vital—how much he needs to keep up with the cost of living. His experience tells him, and all the indications of an increasing rate of inflation are, that he must make an estimate of how much the cost of living will increase and then ask for considerably more if he is even to keep pace with the fall in the value of money. The consequence of this is that wage claims in future are likely to be enormously inflationary in themselves. Nobody can legitimately blame the people who make such claims having regard to what has been happening in our economy. If the Government were to act on this motion by increasing the allowances and if they were to meet the commitment we have called for by adjusting allowances annually in relation to the cost of living, that would go a long way towards reducing the number of inflationary wage and salary claims which would be made.

One of the factors which must be taken into account is that the bigger the increase the more will be taken off in taxation. We have now reached the stage, as indicated in this motion, where many people who were never thought of as being liable to pay income tax, and who by any reasonable standard can only be regarded as poor people, are paying income tax, and sometimes relatively substantial income tax in relation to their earnings. We cannot allow this situation to continue. It is a situation which will become increasingly more difficult and intolerable for many wage and salary earners because of impending inflation. The Minister could make a very substantial contribution to reducing the impact of this if he were to adopt what is proposed in this motion.

The question of income tax allowances is becoming inextricably mixed up with negotiations for national agreements. If we want national agreements—and we say on both sides of the House that we do—then the Government have an obligation to do what they can to make such an agreement acceptable and to create a climate in which a national agreement is acceptable. Up to now the Government have singularly failed to create any such climate. They now have an opportunity to do so, or at least to contribute to it without interfering in any way with free collective bargaining. It seems to me that because of impending inflation, the time is coming when negotiations on national agreements should be conducted in relation to post-taxation income rather than gross income. In a situation of rapidly accelerating inflation, it would seem to be a more equitable way of approaching the problem of wage increases. If the Minister, even at this late stage, approached the problem of personal taxation on the lines suggested in this motion, he would make a substantial contribution to the stability of the economy. In the circumstances in which we exist, and with the possibility of a national pay agreement being negotiated and accepted, he would be contributing to the creation of industrial peace.

I accuse the Minister and his colleagues of gross neglect of duty and incompetence in failing to create such a climate in the budget and subsequently. Even when the national pay agreement was about to be voted on, the Government were inactive. Only when it had been rejected and new terms had been put forward was there any sign of activity by the Government. That activity, though very belated, was welcome. I do not believe it is sufficient in the sense that there is not a firm enough commitment to an adjustment of income tax rates in line with the cost of living. Although there is enough of a commitment to make a problem for the Government there is not enough of a commitment to get the benefit of it.

The Minister should firm up the general statement of the Government's intention in regard to the immediate increases proposed, something which should have been done a long time ago. I hope it is not too late, and if the Minister is going to use this debate for the purpose of firming up the Government's position my motion will be a worthwhile exercise. If, however, the Minister wants to use this debate solely for the purpose of arguing about what previous Governments did, or failed to do, he is not going to contribute anything to the vital concerns of this nation at this time. He is simply going to draw attention to the gross failure, on his part in particular, and on the part of the Government in general, to deal with this problem in the last budget when he had the opportunity and when he imposed all the taxes which he imposed.

The options of the Minister for Finance in the coming budget in regard to taxation will be a great deal more limited because he used up so many of them in the last budget. However, the Minister did not make the adjustments necessary and he is now being forced into the position of having to make those adjustments come what may. I have pointed out where he can make those adjustments and meet those commitments without undue strain on the Exchequer. He can do so because of the greatly increased receipts from VAT, and because of the greatly increased receipts he will get as a result of the increases in wages and salaries which are coming up.

I hope the Minister will approach this motion on a realistic and constructive basis. I said before when the Government tried to prevent this motion being discussed that I thought the Government would have welcomed the fact that this motion was coming up in order to make their position clear, in order to make the kind of statement the Government made today. I hope the Minister will approach this on a more constructive basis than his amendment indicates and that as a result of the motion being put down, although we have achieved a statement from the Government, we will achieve something more which could be of vital importance to all the taxpayers of the country and the future of the economy.

(Dublin Central): I second the motion.

I move the amendment in my name:

To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute "notes that personal allowances under the income tax code were not increased in the financial years 1957-58 to 1972-73 inclusive at a rate commensurate with the depreciation in money values."

I am not surprised that the Fianna Fáil Party, some of them at least, had the decency not to speak on Deputy Colley's motion at all. It is a welcome development for Fianna Fáil to appear in Dáil Éireann in sack cloth and ashes seeking pardon and forgiveness for their own sins. I would prefer, in charity, to interpret their conduct in that light rather than to assume that they are all suffering from the same disease as their Leader, that of forgetfulness. If there is in our society today anger at the injustice of the code of income taxation it is because of the many years of omission on the part of Fianna Fáil in this field, sins of omission which were not at all cured by their tardy action, after 15 years of omission, in the budget of 1972.

I propose to give examples of that omission. When Fianna Fáil came to power in 1957 there were 185,000 income tax payers; I repeat, 185,000 income tax payers. On the day they left office there were more than 700,000 income tax payers.

Thanks to Fianna Fáil.

That is a shocking and scandalous figure, but what is even more scandalising and frustrating, what is even more a cause or should be a cause of shame to any Government in a democracy, is that as they increased the number of people from whom income tax was squeezed from 185,000 to over 700,000 the number of surtax payers decreased from 9,600 to only 6,650.

When I use phrases like "sack cloth and ashes" I am, perhaps, erring on the side of charity. There was never in any democracy in the world a Government who acted so scandalously and unfairly towards the ordinary worker as the Fianna Fáil Government. They multiplied the number of income tax payers, including the people who were called upon to pay tax when they were earning £6 to £7 per week while income earners in the surtax brackets, who are multiplying every year, had alleviation given to them, or every encouragement given to them to engage in tricks of avoidance or evasion.

The Fianna Fáil Party were aware of this. They knew the scandal was going on and although their attention was drawn to this by Income Tax Commissions which they appointed, although the way to remedy this scandalous situation was shown to them by these commissions, they deliberately decided not to take action against the avoiders and the evaders in the high income nets. At a budget meeting in April, 1970, the then Minister for Finance, Deputy Charles Haughey, strongly opposed, and carried the day against the introduction of anti-avoidance provisions for the well-tto-do.

These are the people who had the cheek to table a resolution for discussion and decision in 1974.

Can the Minister substantiate that statement? Can the Minister produce evidence?

I have the evidence in my hand, initialled by a neutral official.

Is the Minister prepared to produce that evidence?

It is evidence of the scandal.

Produce it.

Even if the evidence was not there, the evidence appears in the official figures of surtax payers which reduced from 9,600 to 6,500 over a period of 16 years during which the Fianna Fáil mafia looked after themselves and left the poor in the gutter.

A typical example of the Fianna Fáil attitude was revealed at last week's Ard-Fheis where the Fianna Fáil Party, collected to express what they love to call the "grassroots opinion", decided against the taxation of capital gains. They came in here to act a hypocritical role but would not, at their Ard-Fheis, oblige their party leaders to stop the scandal of millionaires making tax free profits in this country while the poor are obliged, week after week, to pay their pittance of income tax hard and all as it is for them to bear it.

In 1957, when Fianna Fáil came to power, the personal income tax allowance was £150. It took them until 1972 to increase that figure to £299 and at that time the figure ought to have been £330. In 1957, too, the widow had an allowance of £175. By 1973 it should have been, £385, but Fianna Fáil brought it up to only £324. Married persons with an allowance of £310 in 1957 should have had £682 allowance in 1973, but they got an allowance of only £494. There was an allowance of £100 in respect of children in 1957. This should have been £220 in 1973 but, instead, the allowances were scaled to £132, £147, £155 and £170. We became the only country in the world operating 18 different children's allowances under the income tax code, depending, in the first place, on the ages of the parents, because that controlled the ages of the children and then on the ages of the children. These were all dodges to avoid giving the average Irish family the kind of income tax allowances to which they were entitled.

The dependent relative's allowance of £60 was not increased in the 1972 handout when it should have been increased to £132. The housekeeper allowance, which widowers as well as many others require and which was £100 in 1957, was not increased either in 1972 when it should have been increased to £220. The earned income relief, which was £400 in 1957 and which should have been £880 in 1972, was increased in that year to only £500. The aged—those most deserving of our charity and of some handout from the opulent society in which we now live—should have had an increase from £150, the 1957 figure, to £330 in 1972 but instead they got only £175. That is the scandal and the miserable record that Deputy Colley trumps up here today as an indication of Fianna Fáil's conscience in office. Can it not be said that we have done a great service for Ireland by putting Fianna Fáil out of office?

At least they have recovered some sense of conscience if only for the reason of trying to embarrass the Government of the day. Deputy Colley queried why last week we did not allow his hypocritical motion to be taken. I shall be frank with him. As a former Minister for Finance he knows all the constraints, all the problems, all the difficulties and all the lack of information that face any Minister for Finance in the early weeks of a calendar year and approaching budget time. He knows exactly how those constraints were even greater last November and December and how difficult it would have been for any Minister for Finance——

Is the Minister saying that the job was too difficult for him?

In a limited debate interruptions of this kind are uncalled for. Deputy Colley has spoken without interruption for 40 minutes.

Deputy Colley knew well that no responsible Minister for Finance could have given any undertaking in November or December— four, five or six months from the date of the budget—regarding future tax patterns. However, as soon as it became apparent to us, and this was only during the past week, what the possibilities for next year would be—and never in the history of western Europe have there been so many uncertainties as those facing Governments today— we gave assurances to those people who represent the workers, those who are most hard pressed by the 16 years of neglect on the part of our predecessors in government.

The income tax code is in a mess. It is an impenetrable jungle for the ordinary man. Nobody can find his way through it unless he can afford to pay a new professional class, the income tax advisers, who have been able to fatten because of Fianna Fáil's failure for more than a decade to do anything in regard to the income tax code. That code has become a fertile field for the spiv and the smart aleck out to make a quick profit at the expense of his fellow citizens, at the expense of all taxpayers.

We propose to end all this. Deputy Colley challenged me with not giving an indication earlier of how this would be done. I challenge him to read the many pronouncements I have made during my term of office to date. On innumerable public occasions and here in this House I have given support to the original commitment of this Government in their statement of intent to reform the whole taxation code. The truth is that Fianna Fáil do not like this prospect, as was shown by their recent Ard Fheis. Their friends, their money supporters, do not want change, and Fianna Fáil do not want it either. But there will be change and we will not be impressed in any way by the protests which undoubtedly the Fianna Fáil well-paid lobby will be able to have printed on behalf of the party to the effect that we are causing difficulties for this country by introducing tax reforms, tax reforms of a kind that every other country in Europe and in the progressive world has long since introduced. The people have become scandalised and frustrated——

So they might.

——by the knowledge that there are innumerable tax avoiders in our community. In fairness to these tax avoiders and evaders, the failure of Fianna Fáil to reform the taxation code has tempted, urged and propelled these people along paths of tax avoidance and evasion. In our budget last year we took action against tax avoiders and evaders but we were criticised from the benches opposite for what we were doing. We increased the penalty on people who avoided payment of tax.

But not income tax.

We put a limit on the lavish business entertainment that could be engaged in while Fianna Fáil were in office. We put a limit on the capital allowances for motor cars. We put an end to the scandal of loss-buying transactions whereby people were deliberately building up a loss situation in one company so that they might set it off against the immense profits they were making in another. Also, we put an end to the abuse of the friendly societies which were being registered at the rate of four and five per month. Registration of one of these companies involved seven or eight people with more than £1 million or £2 million each putting the money into friendly societies in order to make a quick tax-free profit. These practices were being carried out under the previous administration. They did nothing to stop these scandals. In January this year while in pursuit of my objective to bring about tax reform I uncovered another scandal—that of people setting off massive amounts of interest on money that they had borrowed for the purpose of making quick speculative gains. I stopped that loophole, too, and have been chastised since by Fianna Fáil for doing so.

In a leading article in The Irish Press——

The Irish Press is not the Fianna Fáil Party.

——it was alleged that I had undermined public confidence by this measure.

On a point of order, if the Minister says that Fianna Fáil have said or done something, we are entitled to ask for the source. The Irish Press is not the source.

Very well, then, since Deputy Colley is renouncing The Irish Press.

I am asking the Minister to be more accurate in his statements.

I am now prepared to accept that Deputy Colley is renouncing the leader writers of The Irish Press. In fact, there had been more than that by way of comment regarding the steps I took to kill off the efforts at tax avoidance and tax evasion. Perhaps the people are entitled to some information about the kind of scandal Fianna Fáil knew was going on but about which they did nothing. Some of the situations we have moved against are like the following: a man with a returned income of £13,000 claimed to be paying interest of £14,000, as a result of which he paid no income tax; another case was that of a man with a returned income of £5,000 who claimed to have been paying £5,000 interest; another with an income of £24,000 claimed he was paying interest of £33,000; another with an income of £15,000 claimed to have been paying interest of £15,000; another with an income of £20,000 claimed to be paying interest of £18,000; a person with an income of £25,000 claimed to have been paying interest annually of £100,000.

Why were these people doing that? Because they were able to use a provision in the income tax law that was intended for the relief of the ordinary taxpayer who was paying a house mortgage. They were using that to get massive capital gains, tax free, which the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis last Saturday said: "Do not touch". If ever I needed justification for what I did I had it last week when the friends of the evaders said: "No, do not touch". These are the people who come to Dáil Éireann and ask the people to take them seriously, to regard as sincere their request that allowances under the income tax code should be increased. We intend to increase them. We intend to reform the whole taxation code, not merely in relation to income tax but in relation to all other forms of wealth. We ask no thanks for it; it is long overdue in Ireland. This country is now the laughing-stock of the progressive world for our failure to move against the people who have been able to make massive capital accumulations and make no contributions under the ordinary income tax code.

When we came into office last year we were faced with many perplexing problems. One of the most conflicting problems that faced us was whether in the first year we should do something to alleviate the most miserable and most neglected in our midst or whether we should try to spread relief by giving some help to those who had an earned income at the same time as we gave some money benefit to those who had no income other than what they received in public welfare. We make no apology for making a decision in favour of the people who were solely or mainly dependent on public welfare for their very existence.

Of course, as we did that we had the begrudgers. We had the people who were disappointed, those who should not have been caught in the tax net and who were upset that alleviation had not been give to them. However, by and large we have no doubt that the ordinary, decent people in no way seriously begrudged the massive alleviation we gave to those who depended on social welfare for their income.

What about the relief for office blocks?

We relieved poverty to an extent never previously done——

It is not noticeable.

We provided social welfare relief——

Has the Minister gone around his constituency——

If Deputy Fitzgerald cannot listen to the Minister's speech he has a way out.

The relief we provided has cost more than £53 million in a year and, by any measurement, that is an immense contribution to have made to the sick, the unemployed, the widows, the orphans, the blind and other disadvantaged people. I am sure I speak for Deputy Colley and his predecessors, as I speak for my successor, when I say that no Minister for Finance in this country or elsewhere is content with what he can do in a budget. However, where a choice lay—as it did with us—between looking after the most underprivileged in the community or the remainder we made our choice and we make no apology for it. So far as votes were concerned there was no mileage in so doing because now there are more taxpayers in the country than recipients of social welfare——

(Dublin Central): How many will there be after the next budget?

It was thanks to the work of Fianna Fáil.

We came to our decision on the basis of a social and moral obligation which we as a Government recognised. In the forthcoming budget we hope again to look after those who are most deserving of help, and this year that includes the income tax payers. It will be said that as we go about the reform of income tax and the total reformation of tax we are killing the goose that lays the golden egg. When I hear this utterance I say: "Some strange geese, some strange ganders, some rather queer goslings". These people who are supposed to be laying the golden eggs are laying them in the Bahamas, in the Channel Islands, in the Isle of Man, the Canaries or on the London Stock Exchange, in New York——

On a point of order, while I do not wish to interrupt the Minister it is important that he should confine himself to the motion and tell us what he has to say on that.

That is a function of the Chair. Points of order shall not be raised in a limited debate unless they are de facto points of order.

I am saying that these people who have not been paying their due share of income tax, or anything towards income tax, show very few characteristics of geese. Geese are supposed to be simpletons, to be foolish, scattered, unwise. The Fianna Fáil geese who are laying the imaginary Fianna Fáil golden eggs for the benefit of our economy have not left the golden eggs in Ireland. They have taken them elsewhere and, so far as one can judge by their operations, they show very little simplicity. They show a great knowledge of all the loopholes in the law that have been left for them by their friends. I believe any resemblance between the tax evader and the Fianna Fáil goose is not coincidental; it is deliberate. It is a pretence that they have left after them a just tax code. It is most unjust. It is a shame and a disgrace. So far as the Government are concerned, we will do our level best to change it.

Naturally, this will cost an immense amount of money. Deputy Colley suggests there is a great bonanza in VAT, that it is yielding revenue that was never previously anticipated or available to a Minister for Finance. He knows the cost of government rises in the same way as the cost of anything else. In his final year in office the cost of government outran the revenue. When he left office he had prepared the Estimates for the year in which I took over. They were £47 million short——

I did not prepare any Estimates.

——although VAT was in operation.

I repeat, I had not prepared any Estimates.

The Minister has only a few minutes to conclude. He should be allowed to do so.

The Minister knows I had not prepared any capital Estimates. He should not be allowed to make misleading statements——

Deputy Colley was allowed to make his speech without interruption. He should allow the Minister to conclude his speech.

We can produce the documents——

I challenge the Minister, as I challenged him before, to produce those documents.

We can produce documents to show that Fianna Fáil Estimates, so far as they had advanced the day before they left office, left a shortfall of £47 million.

I am challenging the Minister now to produce them.

The truth is that of course the cost of Government is rising. While one may create an illusion of massive revenue and of resources without limit, the commitments against these resources are also considerable. There is no surplus of revenue notwithstanding the increased yield of VAT or, indeed, any other income source.

We accept our obligation and we will discharge our obligation. We will not—I repeat not—wait for once in every 15 years to make improvements in income tax allowances. They will be made, as we announced today outside the political arena to the Irish Congress of Trade Unions and the Confederation of Employers. In the forthcoming budget we will provide relief for income tax payers and we will, as the years go on, if we remain in Government, provide such reliefs as the cost of living may require. We believe this is the correct way to do it. We have done this because we realise that, in recent months particularly, agitation has developed about the inadequate personal allowances under the income tax code. Rightly or wrongly many people probably took this into account in relation to their vote on the original offer by the employers.

It is fair to point out that the Government were not a party to those negotiations because neither the employers nor the employees wished to have the Government as a party to wage negotiations. There is free collective bargaining and, within the operation of free collective bargaining, it was not open to the Government to participate. Since the rejection of the original offer of the employers it has been made known to us that the view of responsible people in the trade unions is that one of the factors which could have influenced people was the high incidence of income tax. We had already decided— and my many utterances on public occasions are proof of this—that there had to be substantial reforms in the whole taxation code.

That is different.

We felt it would be inappropriate, we having this resolution, we having this determination, we proposing to carry this through as a first step in this budget, to remain silent on the matter. Every reasonable person in our community knows that any Minister for Finance is obliged, by the obligation to preserve budget secrecy, not to disclose the details of his budgetry proposals.

Nonsense.

I interrupt the Minister to advise him that his time is almost up.

As the announcement we made today does not allow anybody—I repeat anybody—poor or rich to run away with a massive tax free gain or to anticipate legislation by making an improper gain——

It took you a long time to find it out.

——we considered it proper to make our announcement when we had correctly gauged what the revenue and expenditure position was likely to be at the end of this financial year and at the commencement of the next nine months period. Having regard to that we have made our commitment which is more than any Government in this country on any occasion in the past made before the budget. To that extent this is an historic day. We have given a firm promise upon which our people can rely and, in the not-too-distant future, they will find that that promise is being fulfilled.

The Minister's evasions will be noted with interest by the public.

(Dublin Central): I second Deputy Colley's motion. This motion has been tabled for a considerable time. It is quite obvious that we were prohibited from debating income tax especially as it affects the lower wage earner. One of the vital issues facing the country today, and involving the national wage agreement, is the whole question of the income tax code. If the people on the opposite benches were where we are this evening they would not shoulder their responsibilities as we will. We believe that a national wage agreement is the best settlement in the interests of the country and we intend to be responsible in our approach. On numerous occasions in the past when national issues were being discussed we saw the irresponsible attitude adopted by the then Opposition some of whom are Ministers today. When I recall the deplorable performance of some of those Ministers I shudder.

We are deeply concerned about the income tax code. We are concerned for the lower salary and wage earners. These are the people who carry the biggest part of the income tax burden. We regret that the Minister made no definite statement in his communiqué today. He said that the Government propose to increase the income tax personal allowance and to introduce other tax reforms which will operate from the commencement of the coming financial year. We welcome this, but what else could he do? Look at the economy over the past 12 months. Look at the inflation which has taken place. Could any Minister for Finance bring in the next budget without making a substantial increase in tax free allowances?

Over the past 12 months the increase in the cost of living has been running somewhere in the region of 10 to 15 to 20 per cent. The income of wage earners has been eroded. Various unions were very conscious of the fact that, before any final settlement could be arrived at, the question of income tax had to be tackled. This was due to the rampant inflation which the Government allowed. I do not blame the Government for all the inflation but they mishandled various aspects of the economy. Due to that we are demanding that substantial increases must be made in tax free allowances.

We heard a great deal from the Coalition parties when they were putting forward their views in the 14-point plan as to what they would do about the cost of living and how they would increase social welfare benefits and reduce income tax. What concessions in the income tax code did the taxpayer enjoy last year? The Minister got additional revenue of £70,685,418, due to various increases in VAT and other forms of taxation. The only concession given to the taxpayer was an increase in the marriage allowance. The Minister very generously gave an increase of £30 a year on the marriage allowance.

In the married woman's allowance.

(Dublin Central): This is the only concession we have seen from the Minister. He criticised us for our failure to do anything about this matter over the past number of years. The people will be expecting a substantial increase and it will be no thanks to the Minister. We introduced a system of revenue collection which will help the Minister considerably. We introduced the turnover tax originally which was bitterly opposed by the then Opposition. We know the debates which went on in the House when that was introduced. We introduced VAT. I am quite convinced that at the end of the financial year the Minister will have well in excess of what he budgeted for last April. It was stated in the 14-point plan that VAT would be taken off food. That was done but the Government transferred taxation and increased taxation on every other commodity that the housewife uses and even on school books also.

Even at the time of the last budget the Minister admitted he would get an extra £2 million but it was stated in the 14-point plan that the removal of tax from food would reduce taxation. The taxpayer has paid more in the past 12 months, substantially more He was deceived by the last budget. The Minister said deliberately that less tax would be taken from consumers. This was deceptive; it did not happen in practice. When the Minister gets his final returns we shall see the amount of revenue the people have contributed in the past 12 months.

Something substantial will have to be done in the next budget if we are to relieve the low wage earners. At present the single persons allowance is £299. A young worker coming to Dublin has to pay £8 a week for digs and pay for the normal enjoyment-one would expect him to have and he cannot possibly continue with such a low income tax allowance especially in view of the massive inflation that has taken place in the last 12 months. Any young lad in digs will tell you how much his costs have increased in the past 12 months. There is every case for a substantial increase in the allowance for a single person and no thanks will be due to the Minister. He has not spelled out what these allowances will be but many people will be very disappointed if they are not sufficient to recoup what they have lost in the past 12 months of inflation.

The married person's allowance is £494. We know how difficult it is for young married people who are trying to buy homes. First, when they are single it is difficult for them to accumulate money for a deposit due to the low income tax allowance but when they get married they must face the burden of mortgage payments and the cost of furnishing a home. Newly married couples are entitled to a substantial increase. I am sure the Minister is aware of the enormous expense newly married couples must meet and we expect from him a substantial increase in this category also.

I have already mentioned the only concession, a small one, given in the last budget of some £30 extra income tax relief for a married woman. That was the only concession given to the taxpayers out of increased revenue of nearly £71 million. The married women will look forward anxiously to the coming budget. There is no use in saying they will get something like they got last year because it will not be accepted and would not be sufficient. The wife, in my opinion, now has to work of necessity. Some years ago a wife went out to work to get additional money for luxuries but I believe the young married woman must now work in order to make ends meet. This is happening in other countries, including the United States. In the early stages of married life it is demoralising for a married woman, having gone to work, to find at the end of a week that she has to pay tax on practically everything but £2 per week. One can imagine the frustration of a young couple trying to get started in life and furnish a home while having big mortgage commitments. This has discouraged married women from going to work and industrialists have said there is a scarcity of women in certain industries. If the Minister is sincere, he will have to give a substantial increase to the married women. Coming in with a small increase of £30 as he did last year is not good enough. I think it cost the Exchequer about £500,000.

One million a year.

Five hundred thousand pounds in the present year.

One million pounds a year.

(Dublin Central): One million a year is very small compared with what the Minister got in increased revenue. I ask the Minister to think seriously about the tax rates on people trying to make ends meet. Due to the present high cost of living and high building society rates, they are not able to meet their liabilities.

The more I think about the last budget the more disgraceful I think it was of the Minister to make the provisions he made in regard to children's allowances. We heard so much about these allowances but when an income of £2,500 was reached the Minister had a clawback provision in the Finance Bill. Does anybody consider £2,500 a big income today for a married man with children? The Minister's action in this regard was disgraceful. It is the people in the middle income group who are feeling the strain of the cost of living. Many of them pay voluntary health subscriptions because they have not the same medical concessions as other citizens but the Minister thought it fit, if they had £2,500 a year, to deprive them of the increased children's allowances. If the Minister canvasses his own constituency and gets the views of people in this income bracket, he will find there is very little luxury attached to the way they live. The Minister should seriously consider the allowance for married women because something substantial will have to be done in this regard. The same applies to old people.

Debate adjourned.
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