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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 18 Dec 1974

Vol. 276 No. 13

Vote 35: Lands (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That a sum not exceeding £5,357,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of December, 1974, for the salaries and expenses of the Offices of the Minister for Lands and of the Lrish Land Commission, including a grant-in-aid.
—(Minister for Lands.)

I should like to make a point on this and I am glad that both the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Lands are present. Earlier this year the property known as Fota Island which comprises a demesne and a mansion and includes a garden which is unique in the world I believe came on the property market and the Minister for Lands on appeal from some sources put a stop order on the sale with a view to looking after the interests of some local farmers who claimed they were congests. After some time the Minister withdrew his stop order but in the meantime there were representations from Cork County Council and Cork Corporation to the Minister for Finance with a view to persuading the Minister to make a contribution from State funds to the acquisition of Fota as a public amenity. The Minister met one or two deputations and he apparently decided there would not be State funds available for the purchase of Fota. In the meantime the trustees of the Fota estate went ahead with the sale and asked for tenders. Amongst the tenders received was one from the two local authorities, Cork Corporation and Cork County Council, for a sum which was apparently not acceptable. There were conditions applied to the user of these lands, no matter who bought them. The appeal by Cork Corporation and Cork County Council was to maintain user of the lands as a public amenity. The interest of the Minister for Lands lay in the suggestion that there was congestion and some portion of the lands were needed to relieve this. Subsequently Cork Deputies from the Fianna Fáil side of the House tabled a motion in Private Members' Time, which was not reached unfortunately, asking the Government to make a contribution so that these lands could be retained for public use.

I would like to urge on the Minister that both he and the Minister for Lands, if the latter was involved, reconsider the decision not to apportion State funds and I would suggest that there is ample precedence for such an expenditure. I need only refer to the burning down of the Abbey Theatre some 15 years ago. The then Government, very readily, very promptly and very correctly made substantial funds available for the purchase of the site and the rebuilding of the theatre. This is not on all-fours with the case I am making but there are two other examples I can give which are much nearer home. When there was danger that the house and lands at St. Enda's would pass from the ownership of the late Senator Margaret Pearse into private hands, the Government, again through the Minister for Finance, stepped in and made moneys available for the purchase of St. Enda's. Some time prior to that, when Cork Opera House was burned, and private interests made bids for the purchase of this valuable site, the Government again stepped in and, with the assistance of the local authority and voluntary local contributions, made moneys available. These are two more immediate precedents and I assert that the State should make money available for the purchase of Fota Island and so preserve this unique garden and magnificent mansion for public purposes. I assure both Ministers there will be no "I told you so" from this side of the House if they change their minds. It will be an exercise in good and high-minded politics if they do what I ask.

It is difficult to talk about this matter because, as I understand it, tenders have been entered by the local authorities concerned and, in those circumstances, it would be invidious were I to make any comment. As already stated, the representations made were primarily, indeed almost exclusively, based on the fact that Fota Island would be a very desirable amenity for the people of Cork. It was pointed out that it has never been the practice of the State to expend money from the Exchequer on what would be substantially a local amenity and were there to be a departure from that line it would create a situation in which tax revenue could be used to subsidise and provide local amenities. This would be a radical departure which could not be countenanced because, if it is a local amenity, then the contributions should come primarily from local interests. What happened in this case was that there was a very significant offer made by the local authority in question.

The Government, through the Minister for Lands, stated that the Land Commission are the authority who determine whether or not land is to be acquired and redistributed for the purposes of the Land Commission and these purposes are set out by statute. The Government cannot direct the Land Commission in matters like this. The Minister conveyed the representations he received to the Commissioners. It is they who decide whether or not they should proceed with acquisition of all or any part of this island for redistribution amongst farmers.

As far as the Office of Public Works are concerned, we have said that the Office of Public Works will make their expertise available to the local authorities if there is any scheme for development or maintenance of the amenities at Fota.

I do not want to argue with the Minister, but I would ask him not to close his mind because I have given him two close precedents.

I do not want to make comparisons, but I would say they are not on all-fours.

Vote put and agreed to.
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