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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 29 Jul 1975

Vol. 284 No. 4

Garda Síochána Pensions Order, 1975: Motion (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That Dáil Éireann approves of the Garda Síochána Pensions Order, 1975, made on the 23rd day of July, 1975 by the Minister for Justice with the sanction of the Minister for the Public Service under Section 13 of the Police Forces Amalgamation Act, 1925."
—(Minister for Justice).

I ask the House to approve the Garda Síochána Pensions Order, 1975.

The Garda Síochána pensions orders govern the award of pensions and gratuities to members of the Garda Síochána on retirement and to the widows, children and dependants of deceased members of the force. However, the order before the House deals only with the allowances payable for children and provides for a relatively minor amendment in the conditions governing the payment of such allowances.

Under the existing pensions orders allowances are payable in respect of children of deceased members up to the age of 18, if they are receiving full-time education. The order now before the House raises this upper age from 18 to 21 years. As far as such children are concerned, the order will bring the Garda scheme into line with an improvement which was granted in the Department of Social Welfare Contributory Pensions Scheme, under the terms of the Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1969. The improvement in the social welfare code came into operation on 1st August, 1969, but the existence of this improvement did not come to the notice of my Department, or the force or, I must assume, the persons directly concerned until the end of 1973 when a claim was received to have the improvement applied to the Garda Síochána. The improvement was subsequently approved in principle but statutory effect was not given to the change because other amendments in the Garda pensions scheme were being considered and it was hoped to incorporate them in one amending order. Because of difficulties, which are largely of a technical nature, these other changes have not yet been finalised and in the circumstances, in order to avoid any further delay in applying the approved conditions for payment of children's allowances, I have agreed at the request of the Garda Pensioners' Association to proceed with this amendment, leaving the other matters to be attended to later.

I commend the order for the approval of the House.

The Fianna Fáil Party gives approval to the order requested by the Minister. I note that this order specifically deals with the allowances payable for children together with a minor amendment in the conditions governing the payment of such allowances. This being so, naturally, the debate must be limited. At present full time educational benefits under the existing order finished at 18 years of age and I welcome the extension of this age limit to 21 years.

The Minister stated that as far as such children are concerned the new order brings the Garda scheme into line with the situation as it is since the Department of Social Welfare contributory pensions scheme was improved in 1969. It is difficult to understand why it has taken six years, or thereabouts, to bring the Garda scheme into line with the Social Welfare contributory pensions scheme. The Minister's admission that the existence of this improvement in the social welfare code did not come to the notice of his Department, the force, or the people concerned until the end of 1973 is a serious admission. I am not blaming the Minister or his predecessor for this breakdown in communications between the Departments of Social Welfare and Justice, but it has taken six years to make good for the children involved.

This example of a complete breakdown between two important Departments of State must be guarded against at all times. It is not good enough that this should happen ever again. I know the Minister will take every step possible to prevent such a situation developing again. The anomaly discovered at the end of 1973 should have been corrected then. If it were corrected then, it would have been welcomed by those involved. I give the Minister our support in this matter.

I thank the Deputy for his welcome for the order. I share his concern that there is an absence of mechanisms which enables one Department to draw attention to another Department which might have people concerned. Obviously, in this instance there was not such a mechanism whereby the Department of Social Welfare drew the attention of my Department and the Garda to changes which would be relevant to them. That mechanism will have to be restored. I should like to make it clear that the increased allowances which are being paid now are retrospective to 1969.

Question put and agreed to.
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