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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 25 May 1976

Vol. 291 No. 1

Private Members Business. - Price Control: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann condemns the Government's total failure to honour its own undertaking of February 1973 "to control and stabilise prices"; notes with deep concern the huge increase in the price of virtually every commodity since 1973; and deplores in particular the major contribution which the Government itself has made towards bringing about in Ireland the highest rate of inflation in Europe which is leading to the gradual destruction of our economy.

At the outset it would be well for me, in relation to this matter, to refer to that somewhat infamous document published on February 7th, 1973 setting out the Coalition's 14-point programme under the heading "There is An Alternative". Indeed, there was an alternative to the stability, the progress and the prosperity that this country was experiencing at that time and, tragically, that alternative was chosen. In relation to prices this document stated that the immediate economic aims of the new Government would be to stabilise prices, halt redundancies and reduce unemployment under a programme of planned economic development. It is hardly necessary to comment at any length on the question of the stabilisation of prices when one realises that many commodities today are costing twice the amount they cost in 1973. Certainly, it is not necessary to comment on the reference to the halting of redundancies which are running at umpteen times the rate at which they were running at that time in 1973. Neither is it necessary to comment on the question of unemployment which is now almost double what it was then.

The document goes on to say that it is essential to control prices if these important economic aims are to be realised, that, therefore, the Government would introduce strict price control. Further on the document says that the Government would regard the control of price inflation as indispensible to the continuance of the national wage agreement.

These statements were believed by a significant number of the electorate, a number that was significant enough to bring about a change of government although in that election Fianna Fáil increased their first preference votes by 30,000. Of the 14 points, all of which are equally jocose now, with the hindsight of three years of Coalition government the one at that time in 1973 which made the greatest impact was this pledge to control and stabilise prices. I recall canvassing as a candidate in that election and on several occasions during the campaign people expressed to me their belief that prices would not increase after February, 1973 if the Coalition came to power. It would not be within the rules of order for me to express the views of those people today because their views are expressed volubly and somewhat indecorously by those who were codded and who now admit freely that they were fooled into believing that there was some element of truth in that wretched document and in that idiotic promise in particular.

We turn now to the present situation vis-à-vis February, 1973. The consumer price index has risen between February, 1973 and February, 1976, the latest date for which it is available, by 63.2 per cent. Inevitably there will be a further increase of several per cent up to mid-May this year but that figure will not be available until some time next month. Assuming that there is an increase in the region of 4 to 5 per cent in the quarter to mid-May, it is not unreasonable to say, given that the vast increases from the 1st March will be included, that the increase in the consumer price index and the overall increase in all commodities in the three years since this Government came to power is 65 per cent. On average, every item is costing two-thirds more than it cost on the day that we had this solemn promise to control and stabilise prices.

In discussion that one hears nowadays about prices I observe, as many others observe, that a certain degree of fatalism is surfacing in relation to the whole situation. There is now an absolute belief that this Government are totally incapable of doing anything or of even attempting to do anything in relation to price control and because they are not making an efforts in this regard, some members of the public at least may get the impression that the alternative to this Government will not be able to succeed in this area to any great degree. There is general agreement that we would succeed in regard to prices to a much greater extent than has been the case with the present Government but that we would not have the sort of success that the public would like. I shall endeavour to disabuse people of that belief and to consider the situation in regard to inflation generally and to prices in particular.

Increases in prices are the chief symptoms of inflation. The situation was expressed well by the National Prices Commission in their November, 1972 report when they said that inflation would not be curbed or stopped by deploring its symptoms—price increases—that its pace would be reduced only by attacking its causes in so far as these lie within the control of the Irish community. In their March, 1973 report the NPC set out what they considered to be the six main reasons for price increases here and I should like to consider briefly each of those reasons. They were: increases in import prices, increases in export prices, increases in indirect taxes, increases in money incomes, growth in Government expenditure and the accommodating nature of monetary policy. They dealt with each in some detail vis-à-vis the situation in March, 1973, the month in which the Coalition came to power. They pointed out that these six factors or a combination of them were the causes of inflation here and they considered in some detail what control we have in so far as these situations are concerned. Much of what they set out is no longer pertinent. It is outdated in the changed circumstances of today but if I might comment briefly on each factor and on its relevance to the present situation, we might get to the root of the causes of inflation, at least to some extent and, consequently, to the root of the appalling price increases situation that we have experienced during the past three years, an across-the-board increase of 65 per cent.

The first is increases in import prices. The commission say that import prices have risen for three main reason—inflation in the countries from which goods are imported, the devaluation of the Irish £ in terms of currencies other than sterling and increases in world prices of basic commodities. In the view of the commission they were three valid reasons at that time. I have no doubt they were valid at that time. Two of them clearly are not valid today. They are the rate of inflation in countries from which goods are imported by us because, almost without exception, the rate of inflation in all countries from which we import goods is considerably lower than ours. Therefore, that factor has no influence whatever today. Similarly, increases in world prices of basic commodities have no relevance whatever today, although they had in 1972 and 1973 because, if one examines the graph for the London commodities market in 1975, there is an enormous decrease. Recently there has been something of an increase in the price of some basic commodities but it would not yet have had any effect here. What would have effect is the enormous decrease in world commodity prices during 1975.

That leaves us with the only point which is still valid in 1976 under the heading "increases in import prices", that is, the devaluation of the Irish £ in terms of currencies other than sterling. That was something of a problem in March, 1973. I need hardly say it is very much more a problem today because the rate of devaluation of sterling as of yesterday and consequentially of the Irish £, as against the basket of other world non-sterling currencies was the astronomical figure of 38.8 per cent. Obviously, this must have a serious effect on our costs because it is driving up the cost of our imports to a significant degree.

I want to suggest that this is not a matter that the Government can wash their hands of, saying: "That is all happening in London and we have no control over it because our £ is going down with the £ sterling". I believe that with our inflation rate projected to run in 1976 at approximately double that in Britain it is out of the question for us even to contemplate breaking the link with sterling. But I would suggest we can begin to take steps, and should have done so over the past year or two when it became evident that sterling was getting into the most serious difficulties to reduce our inflation rate by control of the domestic factors contributing to it and which I will suggest later now cause 80 per cent of domestic inflation. By bringing our inflation rate below that of Britain —and this should have been done over the past two years—we could now he in the situation that we could, with safety, and with great profit to ourselves, break this much talked about link with sterling. At present if we were to break it—because of the fact that we are projected to have a 20 per cent inflation rate in 1976 as against 1 to 10 per cent or 11 per cent in Britain—we would be in the position, at the end of 1976, that instead of being stronger than the £ sterling the Irish £ would be considerably weaker. Therefore, it is not correct to say that the factor called "increases in import prices" is one totally outside the control of our Government, although it is one over which, obviously, they have less control than in relation to a number of the other items to which I shall come later.

The second one is the question of increases in export prices. That does not have a great influence on domestic costs and prices. The one example one could give of where it did have a bearing was when, in late 1972 and early 1973, the export price of meat at the time of our accession to the EEC rose very substantially. That forced up the domestic price of meat. Paradoxically enough it is not a factor of any great significance now particularly because of the devaluation of the £ sterling which enables Irish exporters to get proportionately more without having to increase their export prices in real terms. Therefore, the influence of export prices on domestic prices is not nil but is fairly negligible.

The third factor is "increase in indirect taxes". This is the first of these various heading where unquestionably our Government have an enormous influence on what will be our inflation rate and, accordingly on prices. The last part of my motion reads:

...and deplores in particular the major contribution which the Government itself has made towards bringing about in Ireland the highest rate of inflation in Europe...

I suggest—and the figures are there clearly to prove it—that we have a situation in which, by the imposition of higher indirect taxes, such as higher rates of VAT, the Government have deliberately driven up the consumer price index. By deliberately driving up the consumer price index they have caused higher and higher demands to be made for wage increases which, in turn, have driven up costs and, consequentially, prices.

We had a situation in January, 1975, when a new national wage agreement for a 12 months period was just beginning to be negotiated. At that time Deputy Colley, on behalf of the Fianna Fáil Party, strongly urged the introduction of food subsidies in order that price increases and the consumer price index would be kept to a minimum, so that in turn the national wage agreement might be arrived at, at the most reasonable figure possible, enabling this spiralling, vicious circle of inflation, at long last, to be broken. There was an opportunity then. But, instead of introducing those subsides and keeping down inflation at that time, the Government increased indirect taxes, and taxes generally, to cause a 4 per cent rise in the consumer price index in January, 1975.

The national wage agreement was concluded in April, 1975, and ran until the 31st March, 1976. Needless to say, the national wage agreement was unnecessarily inflationary because the demands of the unions and the workers were made much higher than they need have been had the cost of living not been driven up by 4 per cent by the Government themselves in the budget of January, 1975. Then, when the damage was done, when the national wage agreement at an unnecessarily high level was entered into, in June, 1975, the Minister for Finance came along with another budget in which he introduced food subsidies which this party had been advocating since October, November and December of the previous year and immediately by so doing reduced the consumer price index by 4 per cent. It was of no value to the economy as a whole to do so at that time because the damage was done in a national wage agreement being entered into and ratified which was no higher than was essential from the point of view of the workers at that time but which need not have been anything like as high if those subsidies had been brought in in the January budget rather than in the June one after the agreement was over.

All of that was pointed out to the Government at the time by various speakers from these benches. But, lo and behold we have the very same thing happening again this year except that it is even worse because, in the budget introduced by the Minister for Finance, in this House on the 28th January, 1976, the huge increases in VAT, duty and excise on a large number of commodities caused the cost of living index to rise by 5 per cent.

We are stll endeavouring to get a national wage agreement. It seems very problematical whether or not one will ever materialise now; it has dragged on and on for months. But a tentative agreement had been arrived at until the Government claimed the right, some weeks ago, not to be bound by it and get out of paying the increases that would arise under it. Apart from that fact, the increases which were agreed to in that agreement, subject to the various subsidiary matters which have not been agreed subsequently, were very large. There is no question about that. The percentages in regard to some people were as high as 20, and more, when there was, at the same time, a wage agreement entered into in Britain where the increase was kept down to 4 per cent. The reason it was possible to get a 4 per cent agreement in Britain and totally impossible to get it here was because of the sensible approach to the whole problem by the British Chancellor of the Exchequer in his budget in March, when there was an incentive given to the workers to moderate their demands and when it was made quite clear to them that it was in their interest and in the country's interest that they should do so. It was also made clear to them that it was worth their while to do it. They have agreed. The other major difference between what has been done in Britain over the last few months and what has not been done here is that the British Government played a major role all the time in the negotiation of that national wage agreement. Here we have a situation in which in one budget the Government deliberately increased the cost of living by 5 per cent. How in the name of goodness can that Government come along a few weeks later and say to workers: "You will have to moderate your wage demands; we cannot have any wage increases in the country this year?"

Last February that is what the Minister for Finance and the Taoiseach were saying. By March and April they had totally changed that point of view and were seeking to defend a national wage agreement which gave increases as high as 20 per cent. The whole thing would be laughable if it were not dragging the country down and down, dragging the economy down and down, and pushing our inflation rate upwards at the very time every other country in Europe, including Britain, is showing a marked decrease in the inflation rates they had and which for the most part, apart from Britain, were considerably lower than ours. We have the awful mistake of 1975 repeated to a more damaging extent in 1976. It is sheer hypocrisy on the part of the Government to ask trade unionists even to contemplate a pay pause when the Government are doing a great deal more than anybody else to drive inflation, costs and prices up.

The fourth heading under the list of six given by the prices commission was increases in money incomes. I believe I have dealt with that situation because it arises directly from the imposition of higher indirect taxes, higher costs on the part of the Government which are driving money incomes up and creating further inflation to add to the inflation the Government's own efforts is creating.

The fifth heading is growth in Government expenditure. It is perfectly evident, not alone from the quantity of growth we have had in Government expenditure in the last few years, but, even more important, from the nature of the growth in that expenditure and what it is being spent on, that this must have a most serious inflationary effect.

This in no sense is an imported factor. This, like the last two headings I have been talking about, is entirely within the control of the Government. If they not alone fail to control inflation under these headings but actually cause it to increase still further then nobody but the Government can be blamed. When that inflation exhibits itself in the symptom of price increases nobody but the Government and the foolish economic policies they have been pursuing over the last three years can be blamed for these price increases.

We have had growth in Government expenditure on a huge scale which has two particular characteristics in the last three years that growth in Government expenditure before never had. One of those is that growth in Government expenditure over the last three years was almost entirely financed out of borrowing, a high proportion of which was foreign borrowing, which is the most inflationary type of borrowing where we are repaying not just what we borrow but a huge additional premium in non-sterling currencies to those from whom we borrow. The second characteristic of increased Government expenditure over the last three years was that a great deal of this increased expenditure, which was borrowed, was not being expended in the fashion in which prudent Government previously expended it, that is in capital projects which generate their own repayment.

We now have the situation, as was very clearly pointed out by the Minister for Finance in his speech on the Second Reading of the Finance Bill which was recently before the House, in which an enormous proportion of that borrowing is paying current expenditure, such as wages to civil servants, the Army, the Garda and so on and paying social welfare benefits. There is no question of a capital investment of that money at all that would generate its own repayment. We have, therefore, directly and deliberately, an enormous growth in Government expenditure making a huge contribution to the rate of inflation we have here and thereby a huge contribution to the price increases we have seen during the past three years.

The sixth and final heading, which the commission refer to, is what they call the accommodating nature of monetary costs. That is less important now than what it was then. I believe what the commission had in mind was the making available by the banks of fairly large sums, of fairly heavy lending both to the public and private sectors. While there is still very heavy lending by the banks to the public sector, unfortunately, for all of us, lending by the banks to the private sector nowadays, particularly for industrial or other productive purposes, is very limited. The banks acknowledge the fact and are worried by the fact that they are seriously underlending.

The House will have seen that of the six factors the three most important are Nos. 3, 4 and 5, all of which are directly under the control of the Government, increases in indirect taxes, increases in money incomes and growth in Government expenditure. The Government, in each of those three instances, as a matter of deliberate, fiscal and economic policy, have gone out of their way to let inflation rip and to cause it to rip further than it would if they had a neutral policy in regard to this and very much more than if they had made a reasonable or prudent effort to try to control inflation.

It has been calculated by economists of note in the country that the imported element in our inflation in 1976 is 20 per cent. In other words, 80 per cent of our inflation and our price increases today arises from domestic factors which, as I have demonstrated, are all factors which come directly under the control of the Government, in which the Government can say yes or no, which they can increase or decrease as they see fit. They have seen fit to allow the situation to come about nowadays in which the imported element in our inflation rate is only 20 per cent and the domestic element in it is 80 per cent. This is not just my opinion. The Taoiseach has made statements on more than one occasion in the past six months or so to the effect that domestic causes are by far the predominant causes of our inflation today and, consequently, of our price rises and so on. Those domestic factors are factors entirely within the control of the Government.

It is worth nothing the increase in the VAT rates from 1972, when VAT was introduced at 5.26 per cent, to the present situation since the 1st March this year when it is 10 per cent at the low rate, an increase of almost 100 per cent. How it could possibly be argued that an increase of that magnitude—even though I agree foodstuffs are no longer subject to VAT— in a comparatively short time can be anything but deliberately inflationary is beyond me. It is worth nothing that our lowest rate of VAT is 10 per cent. The standard rate in Britain is 8 per cent and the only other rate in Britain is now 12½ per cent while we have 20, 30 and 40 per cent rates as well. We appear to have the highest rates of VAT in the EEC and some of the highest rates, if not the highest rates, of indirect taxation in the world.

People sometimes criticise the National Prices Commission as if they were not doing enough to keep prices down. The commission acknowledge this. Their powers are extremely limited. Basically, there is very little they can do. They can monitor applications made to them, but the number of applications which have been made is quite small. People do not realise this.

The Prices and Charges (Notification of Increases) Order was made within the past few weeks by the Minister which exempts from price control a large additional number of manufacturers and other people who had previously been controlled. The attitude of the commission was set out in their early days. They said in their November, 1971 report that where enough firms were competing with each other or were facing competition from imports, market forces could be relied upon to keep prices from increasing out of line with increases in costs and would ensure efficiency in goods and services. They said that they envisaged that their main interest would be in cases where there was one firm, whether in the private or public sector, or a few dominant firms in an industry where competition from imports was absent or limited or where competition for any reason seemed to be restricted. When those guidelines were laid down in 1971, inflation here was 8 per cent. The Government were keeping it down to that figure and were pursuing economic policies which would ensure that there would be no increase above that figure. They succeeded at that because the rate in 1972 was 8 per cent, having been 9 per cent in 1971.

While that kind of approach may have been adequate for the National Prices Commission in the prosperous days of 1971, I would suggest that they are not adequate in these days of appalling inflation and terrible economic degradation in Ireland in 1976. We have approximately 120,000 people officially registered as unemployed, plus tens of thousands of others who are not registered. We have an appalling situation where major State companies have informed their employees that they will not be able to pay their wages this autumn. The Government are going as an employer to the talks which are taking place in relation to the national wage agreement saying that they will be seeking to avail of the clause which allows smaller and weaker private firms to get out of what would otherwise be their obligations under the national wage agreements in the past.

That is the kind of economic situation we have today. The fairly easygoing guidelines that the National Prices Commission laid down for themselves in 1971 should be more strictly enforced rather than less strictly enforced, which appears to be the tendency now in the light of the order recently made by the Minister and his proposal to ameliorate further the whole price control situation from the point of view of firms who hitherto had to apply.

However, because the National Prices Commission are only concerned with the symptoms of inflation and because they can do nothing about the actual causes of inflation, I think it is unfair to criticise whatever shortcomings they may have. One hears criticisms from time to time; they do not have enough staff; they do not go into applications deeply enough; people are applying for unnecessarily high increases in the expectations that some of what they are applying for will be granted and they frequently end up in the somewhat embarrassing situation of getting an increase way above what they want. There may or may not be some basis in these criticisms, but the commission's role in this whole area is very limited, one in which they can only do a small amount of what they would wish to do.

The real control of inflation—and I want to emphasise this—lies in the hands of the Government of Ireland, in the same way as it lies in the hands of the German, French, Belgian or English Governments. These Governments suffered difficulties at the end of 1973, as we did, but in each and every case, they have overcome them very successfully. Inflation rates in many of these European countries now are as low as 4 and 5 per cent. Our projected rate for this year is 20 per cent. That projected for Britain is in the region of 10, 11 or possibly 12 per cent. We have suffered, in the last quarter for which we have figures, an increase of 7.3 per cent which, on an annual basis if it were to be repeated in three further quarters, which I sincerely hope it will not, would give us an annual inflation rate in excess of 30 per cent.

I raised a number of questions about the prices of specific commodities in this House in recent weeks. I asked for a comparison between the Northern Ireland and Republic prices of exactly similar priced products. One was concrete blocks. I quoted the figures which had been given to me, were checked and were accurate, that a certain quantity of concrete blocks could be bought in Northern Ireland for £10 and a similar quantity of exactly similar blocks can be bought in the Republic for £22. We have a situation nowadays where many detergents which were at one time manufactured here are now manufactured in Britain and imported here. The retail price in Northern Ireland of these detergents —and they are at least as far from the factory as we are—is significantly lower than it is in the Republic, although they are all made in the same factory in Britain. Similarly, there is the situation in regard to the price of drugs. Like the other matters I raised, the Parliamentary Secretary announced that he proposed to refer it to the National Prices Commission.

I had done it six weeks before the Deputy's question.

I am glad to hear that. The price of drugs here, for example, is way above the price in other countries although they are manufactured in the same place. We are allowed to labour under the disadvantage of having to pay vastly higher costs for them because the Government have little interest in seeking to decrease the prices.

I started off to talk about the promise made in the infamous 14-point programme in February, 1973. In the history of Irish politics no promise has ever been so dishonoured. The fact is that prices and price control are now so unimportant in the eyes of this Government that the Minister for Industry and Commerce has divested himself of all responsibility or interest in the matter. He has handed over the whole question of prices and price control to the most junior Parliamentary Secretary associated with the Government. I do not want to be critical of him personally but that is the situation. There is no member of the Government who wishes to concern himself any more with this vitally important question which is sapping the life blood of our economy.

I move the following amendment:

To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute the following:

"approves the measures being taken by the Government to control the prices and charges for goods and services, and to subsidise the price of certain essential items."

The Deputy dealt at some length with the 14-point programme. I should like to point out that the National Coalition in publishing that programme said that the stabilisation of prices was one of their immediate economic aims. I am sure it is true that the stabilisation of prices at any time is one of the economic aims of any Government but to say that any Government can promise to stabilise prices is manifestly nonsensical other than in an economy controlled entirely by the Government. In no other economy could a Government make such a promise in the proper meaning of the term "promise". The Government can state their aims in a free economy but they cannot impose their wishes in the economic field so long as we have the mixed economy that we have and which we will continue to have.

In the 14-point programme the Government indicated the means they proposed to adopt towards the aim of stabilising prices. These included stricter price control which was implemented, and the removal of VAT from food which was implemented to the opposition of Fianna Fáil. The Government's aim to stabilise prices would have been successful because in the first two quarters after the Government took office there was a significant decline in the rate of inflation by comparison with the last quarter of Fianna Fáil rule when there was a rate of increase of 4 per cent. That rate of increase in prices was the highest quarterly increase then recorded. In the first two quarters of the Coalition Government the rate was substantially reduced. However, in November, 1973, the oil crisis broke on the world and this was accompanied by very substantial increases in other commodities as well as oil. This led to a situation in which no Government in a mixed economy could have stabilised prices. For the Deputy unctuously to talk about promises being dishonoured in this context is something which I do not think even he believes.

Obviously the Government faced particular problems in this matter, not only with regard to increases in oil prices but with regard to increases in the domestic rates of wages. Of course these are reflected in the goods produced by the workers concerned and ultimately in the prices. It is interesting to show the way Irish wage rates have moved in recent times. I am quoting from the report of the National Economic and Social Council. This showed that between 1973 and mid-1975 our hourly earnings went up by 64 per cent as against 54 per cent in the United Kingdom, 46 per cent in France and 24 per cent in the United States. If our hourly rates of earnings are to go up by a rate substantially greater than in other comparable countries, obviously the prices of what we produce and consume will increase.

There has also been the accompanying problem of the decline in the value of sterling. Between January, 1973, and 20th May, 1976, sterling declined by 23 per cent as against the dollar, by 34.9 per cent as against the Dutch guilder, by 38 per cent against the German mark and by 48.7 per cent as against the Swiss franc. It is important to recognise the effect the devaluation of sterling has on domestic prices within the country. I think I can illustrate this fairly well by talking about a German car which is on sale on the Irish market and the price of which contributes to our consumer price index and is included in it. If such a car was on sale in Germany at a cost of DM 7,587, at the exchange rates then prevailing it would have been available for sale in Ireland at £1,000. Assuming that in the intervening period German prices increased by 20 per cent domestically, that car would now be on sale on the German market at DM 9,104. If the exchange rates which we had in 1973 in the sterling area with the German mark remained at the same level, we should have been able to buy that car for approximately £1,200. However, solely because the value of sterling has declined, through no direct fault of this Government, that car would now cost us £2,000. The same is the story for any commodity we are importing from outside the sterling area, with the possible exception of something we are importing from the lira area which currency has depreciated by comparison with sterling. This is a factor that is contributing to our inflation and which is not within the control of the present or any Government. I have shown that the rate of wages has increased substantially and this is another factor that must be considered. There are also particular problems created for us by the rate of increase in oil prices.

The basic policy of the Government has been to shift the burden of inflation away from essential commodities to the relatively non-essential commodities. The objective of the Government could be summed up as trying in very difficult circumstances to keep to a minimum the prices that have to be paid by a typical old age pensioner. I think we have been reasonably successful in that matter. The first measure we took was to remove VAT from food. An old age pensioner can do without alcohol and probably does not have a car but he must have food. If the price of other commodities is increased in order to reduce the price of food on balance one is helping the old age pensioner. That is what we did when we removed VAT from food. In that move we were opposed by Fianna Fáil.

In the June budget of last year we introduced very substantial subsidies on certain basic essential food items which loom large in the budget of an old age pensioner. The result is that the maximum price of a pint of milk is now 7p as against 8p on 1st April, 1975. The maximum price of 1 lb. of butter is now 48p as against 47p. I accept that is an increase but it would have been far greater had the subsidies not been introduced. The maximum price of a kilo of plain white flour is 18½p as against 22½p on 1st April, 1975. The 800 gramme wrapped loaf is now 18p as against 21p on 1st April, 1975, while the unwrapped loaf is 16p as against 20p in April, 1975.

The Parliamentary Secretary is a little off.

I am not. The price of margarine is 4.5 per cent less now than it was on 1st April, 1975. If it had not been the policy of the Government to remove VAT from essential food items and introduce subsidies the position would have been a great deal different. I should like to give the House some information about what prices would now be in the absence of those Government measures. If we had VAT on food and no subsidies the price of ½ lb. of tea would be 31p as against 28p which it is at present. The price of a 2 1b. packet of sugar would be 26p as against the present price of 23½p.

It was 8p in 1973.

A half dozen of eggs would be 30p as against 27p at present while 1 lb. of sausages would be 42p as against 38p at present. One ½ 1b. of rashers would be 41p as against 37p at present while ¼ stone of potatoes would be 46½p as against the present price of 42p. Those prices are substantially lower than they would be if VAT was imposed on food. The removal of VAT from food was opposed by Fianna Fáil.

It was not. We might as well get the record right.

We have also heard about the impact on inflation of the indirect taxes introduced in the most recent budget. These were to yield £124 million extra revenue. If the Opposition oppose the imposition of those indirect taxes they have a duty to say how they would raise the revenue.

On a point of correction, did the Parliamentary Secretary say the price of 1 lb. of rashers was 37p? According to the current report of the National Prices Commission the price of 1 lb. Galtee prepacked rashers is £1.08.

The Parliamentary Secretary is in possession.

We are listening to a lot of fairy tales from your man. He should remember that £1.08 is the price of 1 lb. of rashers.

I did not interrupt the Deputy when he was making his speech.

The Parliamentary Secretary had no cause to.

I would thank the Deputy to allow me to complete my contribution. I am sure he will have an adequate opportunity of making his case later. The revenue raised by the increases in indirect taxation which were opposed in the budget was £124 million and if instead of raising it in that manner we had chosen to raise it by direct taxation the result would have been an extra 14p in the £ on our rates of income tax. I ask those who are opposed to indirect taxation if they are in favour of 14p in the £ on income tax instead.

Where can we buy the rashers at 37p per lb?

That was the price for a ½lb.

That is a big disimprovement but I would still like to buy a ½lb. at that price.

I was comparing what the prices would have been if VAT had not been removed with what they are now.

They are about double what they were before VAT was removed.

When Fianna Fáil were in office only three items, milk, bread and drink, were subject to detailed retail price control but now 22 items are subject to detailed retail price control. To my mind that is a substantial extension of price control and as a result of that consumers in the shops can, if they feel they have been overcharged for bread, milk, sugar, butter, flour, wheatmeal, flakemeal, cornflakes, baby foods, tinned and frozen peas, beans, brussels sprouts, margarine, cooking fats, bottled gas, kerosene, turf briquettes, pre-packaged coal, cigarettes and petrol, complain about the overcharging and, if necessary, receive a refund. Under Fianna Fáil only three items, milk, bread and drink, were subject to retail price control. We have carried out a substantial extension of price control.

And all the items were half the price under Fianna Fáil.

There are now 50 prices inspectors employed in the Department of Industry and Commerce. When Fianna Fáil left office there were only seven prices inspectors.

There was no need for any more.

That is a clear indication of the priorities of this Government.

Deputies should cease interrupting the Parliamentary Secretary.

The Parliamentary Secretary should give us some of the 1973 prices and compare them with current prices.

Will the Deputies permit me complete my contribution without these fatuous interruptions?

If the rest of the Parliamentary Secretary's figures are like his price of 1lb of rashers it is not worth listening to them.

It is not in order to interrupt the Parliamentary Secretary.

The Government are preparing further legislation to extend the prices legislation. Amongst the measures which will be included in this legislation are the imposition of on the spot fines and the taking of powers to reduce both margins and prices in relation to particular commodities where this is deemed necessary. It is also proposed to take powers to control the margins of large retailers. I am also glad to announce that as part of the programme for the protection of consumers a new retail prices beverage in licensed premises order will be made in the next few days effecting certain changes in the existing order. In addition to the list showing the prices of all drinks sold in licensed premises, which is required by the existing order, the new order will require the display in all premises in which drink is sold for consumption on the premises of a list showing the price of the nine most popular drinks. So that this list may be easily read by the customers the letters must be at least 2.5 centimeters—one inch—high. The new order will also provide that where wine is sold for consumption on the premises by the glass or carafe the price list shall indicate the quantity of wine in the glass or carafe.

An additional provision in the new order will apply to deposits charged on returnable bottles. Two prices will now require to be shown, one including and the other excluding the deposit. The existing order requires detailed lists of all drinks sold in the bar or lounge to be displayed. This list will remain as a useful reference but because of the length and detail of this list—in fact it was not very useful to the consumer and was rarely referred to—the new supplementary list will contain in large type the price of a small number of the major drinks such as the pint of stout, the small whiskey and a glass of orange. As is already the case in many continental countries the new list will enable the public to see at a glance on entering the premises its major prices. It is hoped that by having this more effective display of prices in licensed premises it will be possible to promote more accurate competition in the licensed trade.

The National Prices Commission also has major studies in hand at present in regard to certain enterprises that have been responsible for increases in prices. There is under way for instance, a major study of Radio Telefís Éireann, of the Post Office, of barristers' and solicitors' fees. A major study is being undertaken at my request in regard to spare parts for tractors. A matter which is being studied by the prices commission also is the cost—again at my request—of repair jobs by garages for insurance companies, comparing the charges made in these cases with charges made in normal repair cases to see if there is a substantial discrepancy which ultimately leads to higher insurance premiums. I have also asked the prices commission to carry out a study of drug prices.

A feature which frequently leads to increased prices is the cost of paper-work imposed on businesses by various Government Departments requiring them to keep one set of statistics for the Revenue, another for the Central Statistics Office and other statistics for different State agencies. In many cases, these enterprises have had to employ extra staff merely to comply with the statistics-keeping requirements of the Government. These extra costs are ultimately reflected in the prices charged by firms for their goods and services. I have asked the National Prices Commission to see if the paper-work requirements of Government Departments imposed on industry and business can be rationalised so as to reduce the burden involved. I anticipate having this study available in the very near future.

The performance of the Government in regard to inflation should be judged against the problems they faced which, as I said earlier, were considerable and as against the expectation expressed by independent people as to what could be achieved. The National Economic and Social Council in their report to the Government in June, 1975, said that given the terms of the 1975 national agreement, existing policies and likely development of the world economy, the prospects for 1975 were for a rise in the consumer price index of 25 per cent or more. As a result of the June budget and the policies subsequently adopted by the Government the rate of inflation is not the anticipated 25 per cent but in the latest period for which figures are available, the year ending February, 1976, the rate of inflation is down to 16.1 per cent which is significantly less than the 25 per cent anticipated.

There is also a sign of improvement in the situation in the volume of retail sales which is, if you like, the consumers response to the prices being charged—the amount they buy in a given situation is the most eloquent testimony as to what they think of the prices they are charged. In the last quarter of 1975 retail sales, in volume terms, were 8.5 per cent higher than in the first quarter of 1975. There is evidence that this trend is continuing in 1976. The figures available to me indicate that in February of this year retail sales in volume terms were 14 per cent higher than they were in February of last year. That indicates an improvement in consumer costs and an ability on the part of the consumer to buy goods, many of them Irish goods, and so create more employment.

I listened carefully without interrupting—except on one occasion to clarify a point—to what Deputy O'Malley said and his speech was an interesting exercise in wisdom by hindsight but—this is something to which everybody should pay attention —there was no inkling of what Fianna Fáil's policy on prices would be. All we heard was an expression of admiration on his part for the British Chancellor of the Exchequer but there was no indication of what the Deputy's party would do if they had responsibility in this field.

I spent half an hour telling the Parliamentary Secretary.

I think we were entitled to have got something a little better from the Deputy.

When I came into the House for this debate I was extremely interested to see what would emerge from the Government side arising out of the amendment which had been submitted by the Parliamentary Secretary to Deputy O'Malley's motion. I wondered what the Parliamentary Secretary, on behalf of the Government, might pull out of the hat in order to justify the amendment he has on the Order Paper and which he moved that Dáil Éireann

approves the measures being taken by the Government to control the prices and charges for goods and services, and to subsidise the price of certain essential items.

After three years of Coalition Government I am completely unaware of any action by the Government that would justify the claim that measures were taken by them to control prices. The Parliamentary Secretary spoke of subsidisation and painted pictures which I think were to a great extent imaginary of what today's prices for certain goods would have been if the Government had not removed VAT from food. The people in late February and early March, 1973, were promised that the new Government, made up of Fine Gael and Labour in coalition, would stabilise prices if elected. I have taken the opportunity of looking at one section of the papers from the time the election was declared and, looking at the headlines and the observation of the politicians, I could go on at some length quoting from the statements made by Government Ministers and their backbenchers as to the interpretation of the solid promise made by them on platform and over television and radio, a promise that certainly gave people the impression that prices would be stabilised at the point at which they stood at that time. Unfortunately, the Parliamentary Secretary rebelled against interruptions from this side when he was quoting present-day prices, prices which are certainly in conflict with the prices published by his own Department on behalf of the National Prices Commission. It is difficult for us to accept that the Parliamentary Secretary could be so badly briefed and, from my knowledge and experience of the officials of his Department, I cannot understand how he could have quoted the price he did for back rashers. Right across the country the price of back rashers is 108p per pound. The Parliamentary Secretary mentioned a figure of 37p per half lb.

It was per lb first.

It was cut down to a half lb.

Different types of rashers.

The Parliamentary Secretary said back rashers.

I did not say back rashers. I was referring to streaky rashers. I did not specify them. The Deputy was quoting a high quality rasher and I was quoting a low quality rasher and the price I gave was 37p per half lb.

I am quoting from the only source from which I can quote. It would be wrong for me to go to the daily papers to get figures when I have the figures from the Parliamentary Secretary himself, figures scrutinised by the National Prices Commission. I have the official figures in black and white in the March report. This exercise in projecting what prices would be were it not for the wonderful budget last year and the great concessions given by the Government is desperately unfair in relation to this motion. We are not dealing with the slide downhill of the economic situation over the last 12 months. The motion deals with the failure of the Government to honour the promise made in February, 1973. Agreed things are getting worse and worse. There is a snowball effect and we are going downhill now at a far faster rate. In the first 12 months of this Coalition Government there was a general feeling of satisfaction among the people. The Government were enjoying spending the money and the credit which had been so carefully built up by successive Fianna Fáil Governments over the previous 16 years and had the Taoiseach at the end of that 12 month period jumped on the bandwagon and made some excuse for going to the country, following the passage of the gerrymander Bill by the Minister for Local Government, the Coalition would have swept back into office because they were on a popularity wave.

The situation is different now and the Parliamentary Secretary comes in here tonight and refuses to accept that the Government are responsible for their outright failure to honour their commitment in regard to prices and he falls back on the hackneyed excuse that it is the oil crisis which has brought about the present situation. He quoted figures. He referred to the fact that the Fianna Fáil Government, replaced on 14th March, 1973, had the degrading experience of an inflation rate over the previous three months of something in the region of 4 per cent. I regard the present Minister for Industry and Commerce as having a fair share of audacity. But I am surprised—I always gave him credit for having a certain amount of courage—that he should have the audacity to send in here tonight his unfortunate Parliamentary Secretary to cover up for him.

The Minister will be speaking tomorrow night.

I hope he will have something more concrete to say than the Parliamentary Secretary had. The Minister, realising apparently that he is flogging a dead horse, sends in his Parliamentary Secretary, his Parliamentary Secretary who has enough trouble in the Department of Education coping with transport. I regard that as definitely unfair. Why should the Parliamentary Secretary have to justify the Minister's complete failure in the region of price control? It was unfortunate that the Parliamentary Secretary should refer to the 4 per cent increase in the cost of living in the last quarter of 1972 remembering that we have had a 7.3 per cent increase in the cost of living in the first quarter of this year. I trust the Parliamentary Secretary will not suggest that that 7.3 per cent increase is due to the oil crisis. Everybody knows it is due to the successive inflationary budgets of the Minister for Finance with the full backing of his Cabinet colleagues. It is recognised that the Minister for Finance is the greatest failure from a ministerial point of view this country has ever had, but it is unfair that he should be singled out while other members of the Government are equally responsible for supporting these budgets. It is unfair they should escape, just as it is unfair for the Minister for Industry and Commerce to send in his Parliamentary Secretary here tonight to talk about inflation, an inflation generated by Government policy and not by something outside the country. He referred to the price of cars manufactured in Germany and the inflation rate in Germany between 1973 and 1976. In 1973 a German car would cost 7,587 Marks and only 9,104 Marks now. That would represent an increase to someone buying in this country, ignoring duty, tax and so forth, of 100 per cent. The Parliamentary said the position would be the same everywhere else, except in the lira area. He said the lira was in an even worse state than the £. The impression I got was that we should be buying Fiat cars cheaper than they were in 1973, but I do not think that is the position. I hope the Minister will tell us tomorrow who is making all the profit on Fiat cars.

We were actually talking about food. The Parliamentary Secretary talked about benefiting the less well-off sections of the community. I found myself wondering how that argument could stand up. Perhaps the Parliamentary Secretary is like myself where drink is concerned. Perhaps he believes old age pensioners do not need little luxuries. Not many share that view. I might have that view, but I know there are a great number of old people and a small one is an essential to them. Again, the old age pensioner needs his pipe of tobacco. Even in the case of food I do not think the Parliamentary Secretary's argument stands up. The Parliamentary Secretary drew comparisons and said butter was now only 1p dearer than it was 12 months ago.

On 1st April, 1975.

That would be in or about 12 months. He was dressing up the tale of the wonderful job done by the Minister for Finance and in his own way he was justifying the line taken pretty well by our Minister for Finance before the last election. Deputy Colley pointed out that the promise to take VAT off food had its dangers and pitfalls and he said we were not in favour of that move. The Parliamentary Secretary said we opposed it. If he checks the records he will find that we were conscious of the fact there were a great many other things the old and the less well-off need and these people are now discovering that the failure of the Government to control prices far outweighs the removal of VAT.

I have here the prices that obtained in March, 1973. Let us compare them with the prices obtaining in March, 1976. These are the official figures published by the National Prices Commission. There is a new chairman now, a very eminent gentleman. I have here the monthly report of the National Prices Commission, No. 16 of March, 1973. Butter was 27p per lb That was in one store. It was less in another store. At the latest date for which we have figures, which is February, 1976, the price of butter is 42.5p per pound. Cheese is another item which has gone up from 26½p to 65.5p during the same period, more than 100 per cent of an increase.

Cookeen, an item that is used by the old in order to make the bread more palatable went up from 6½p to 12½p, almost twice the price. Margarine is another item which the Parliamentary Secretary chose to mention: Stork margarine increased from 7.25p to 12.5p. Bread is a very important commodity and a 21b wrapped loaf is 18p now in comparison with 12½p at that time. Cream crackers is an item that I do not think many old people look upon as a luxury. In 1973 they were 7p for a half pound packet, and they are 17p now.

I have not sufficient time to go down the list, but the official figures showing what Deputy O'Malley quoted as a 63.2 per cent increase between February, 1973 and February, 1976, let the Government off the hook. While I accept the official figures, many housewives are more inclined to believe that the cost of living today is at least 100 per cent more than it was three-and-a-half years ago, and it is steadily getting higher.

I would hope that when the Minister comes in to speak in this debate tomorrow he would be more explicit about the measures being taken by the Government to control prices. The Parliamentary Secretary promised further legislation, on-the-spot fines, further control of margins and a new beverage order. There has to be a balance in this between the unfortunate consumer, on the one hand, and the unfortunate retailer and tax gatherer, on the other. I saw—I have not had time to read it—yesterday or today some exercise about the time spent by retailers, and businessmen in general in their newly-found function as tax gatherers. Here we are making things more difficult all the time. We have no price control policy. We have surveillance rather than price control. The Parliamentary Secretary thinks the more surveillance we have the better, as he said, 60 inspectors instead of 12. What difference does that make? That has no effect on keeping down prices.

Debate adjourned.
The Dáil adjourned at 8.30 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 26th May, 1976.
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