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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 13 Oct 1977

Vol. 300 No. 4

Export Promotion (Amendment) Bill, 1977: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The purpose of the Bill is to increase the statutory limit of the amount of grants which may be made to Córas Tráchtála to enable that body to continue the work of promoting, assisting and developing Irish exports.

The Export Promotion Act, 1959, under which Córas Tráchtála were established, fixed at £1 million the total amount of grants which might be made to the board out of moneys provided by the Oireachtas. Subsequent Export Promotion Acts raised this limit. The latest one, in 1974, raised it to £25 million and the present Bill proposes to raise it to £45 million.

The Export Promotion Act of 1959 set up Córas Tráchtála as a statutory board to take over the functions of Córas Tráchtála Teoranta. Since then Córas Tráchtála have made a notable contribution to developments which have brought total exports from the level of £130 million in 1959 to £1,857 million in 1976.

On a point of order, no copy of the Minister's speech has been circulated.

We are getting that organised.

I asked that they be given out.

The increasing pace of export promotion activities, involving necessary expansion of Córas Tráchtála's aids and services, both in volume and scope, together with the devaluation of sterling has naturally increased the board's rate of expenditure. Payments to the board by way of grant-in-aid up to 31 December, 1976, amounted to £22,350,885, which left a balance of £2,649,115 unissued from the existing limit of £25 million. This balance is not sufficient to meet the board's financial requirements up to the end of the present year in respect of which it is estimated that a sum of £4.3 million will be required.

While the Bill proposes to raise to £45 million the limit of the amount of grants which may be made to Córas Tráchtála, the actual grant-in-aid provision to be made in each financial year out of this amount will, of course, continue to be included in the Vote for my Department which will come before the Dáil in the ordinary way.

The House will be already aware of the role played by Córas Tráchtála in the expansion of exports, particularly industrial exports. The aids and services provided for exporters are wide. They range from information, advice and basic market research to specialist services in the fields of market research and design management, and from incentive grants for individual exporters visiting overseas markets to the organisation of national stands at international trade fairs. These services are kept under constant review to ensure that at any given time the services most needed by exporters are provided in the manner and in the measure which would be most useful and so as to make the best use of the funds available to Córas Tráchtála.

The distribution pattern of our exports in 1976 continues the positive trend towards greater diversification. The UK is still our main trading partner but our degree of dependence on this traditional market is diminishing. In 1976 49 per cent of our exports went to the UK as against 56 per cent in 1974, and 66 per cent in 1971. The share of exports to the other EEC countries, on the other hand, has increased from 18 per cent in 1974 to 27 per cent in 1976.

For the first eight months of 1977 the percentage taken by the UK was down to 47 per cent even though still up in the absolute sense. Our exports to the other seven EEC countries at £455 million represented an increase to 29 per cent of total exports compared with 27 per cent for the same period in 1976.

Exports this year are buoyant and for the full year seem certain to exceed anything achieved in previous years. In the first eight months exports, at £1,567 million, represent an increase of approximately 43 per cent compared with the corresponding period of 1976. That gives us the highest rate of value growth in exports in the European Economic Community. The main contribution came from manufactures.

Ireland is involved in the worldwide movement towards freer trade and is progressively participating in a trading complex involving the EEC and a large number of other countries. While these developments manifestly provide further opportunities for Irish exporters, they also create the need for an increasing degree of marketing intelligence and other facilities.

Córas Tráchtála now have 19 overseas offices, in 17 countries and all five continents. They are particularly alert to the requirements of Irish exporters to the EEC, which is of course our largest potential market. Through their Brussels office they maintain close touch with EEC developments and are well equipped to furnish exporters with expert advice and market intelligence in this sector.

The consequential expansion and improvement of the board's services to meet the developing requirements of exporters inevitably results in increased expenditure. Furthermore the cost of providing existing and new services is subject to the same inflationery pressure as other costs. It is essential however in the interests of the continued expansion of exports that Córas Tráchtála have adequate funds at their disposal to provide the services which are greatly valued by exporters. The increasing demand on the board's services has been matched by the significant growth in exports. For example, in 1974, the year in which the House last dealt with a similar proposal, total exports reached the then record figure of £1 billion, and they now exceed the £2 billion mark. While I do not, of course, wish to suggest that Córas Tráchtála were solely responsible for the growth in exports by £1.0 billion in this period I have no doubt about the important role played by them, particularly in the increase and diversification of our industrial exports, which in 1976 accounted for almost two-thirds of total exports.

I am sure that the House will agree that Córas Tráchtála should have adequate funds for their work, on which the development of our exports depends so much. It is with confidence, therefore, I recommend an increase by an additional £20 million of the statutory limit on the funds which may be allocated to Córas Tráchtála to enable them to continue their export promotion and development activities.

Naturally, Fine Gael welcome and support this Bill. The Minister gave a brief description of its purpose. He said also, quite rightly, that Córas Tráchtála—like everybody else in the world today—have to bear the consequences of inflation as well as those of their own increased activities. In order to put that into some money perspective the House might be interested to see the extent to which this inflation and the expansion of their own services have overtaken them.

Since the original Act of 1959 there have been several other Acts with the same purpose as this legislation, all increasing the cumulative amount of money which the State was authorised to advance to Córas Tráchtála for their operations. In the last decade these Acts have come at approximately three-year intervals. With regard to the amount authorised by the Oireachtas in 1974 I see that over £13 million has been taken up. That is a large sum in a period of less than three years because the date given by the Minister is still in 1976. In the previous three-year period the sum absorbed was approximately £6 million and in the two-year period before that it was only £4,500,000. I presume the additional £20 million for which authority has now been given will cover the needs of Córas Tráchtála for approximately another three years. Nobody will grudge that money because the results of the export effort to which Córas Tráchtála have contributed heavily are amazing. They leave us in the happy position of heading a table in the European league in the positive sense for once, rather than being, as we have been since we joined the Community, at the head of a league which is depressing and negative, such as the unemployment league.

The expansion of export trade has been extremely marked in the past year, as the Minister has pointed out; he gave percentage figures and also absolute figures. In the first eight months of this year the increase was nearly an increase of a half compared with the first eight months of the previous year. That increase is accounted for by a number of factors that are not controversial. So far as the world outside Britain is concerned, it is partly due to the devaluation of the English £ to which we are linked, which had the effect of rendering our products that much more competitive in price-sensitive areas. It also had the effect of depressing relatively the rate of growth of Irish exports on the British market and this, in turn, in another aspect of the fact which the Minister mentioned, namely, that the growth of Irish exports in the world outside the British market was relatively much greater. Naturally, the benefit of devaluation did not operate between us and the British and that may account in part for the much slower growth in our exports to that market and our correspondingly lesser dependence on it compared with the growth in exports to other markets.

Another factor which has played a major part in the growth of exports has been the role and contribution of a large number of grant aided IDA-introduced export orientated firms. Many of them are highly capital intensive in spite of the best efforts of the IDA and the consequence is that the very steep rise in industrial production and exports has not unfortunately had a great impact on our unemployment figures. Nevertheless, the benefit to the country from these new industries in other respects is very considerable and the IDA should not be left out of the credit that is being distributed here this morning.

Another factor which I hope the House will regard as non-contentious is the beneficent influence on our trading situation of the wage agreement reached last year, after a very long period during which the Government were being urged by people on all sides to "do what the Government were elected to do", namely, "to govern". Although they had not the courage to say so, what these people really meant was that the Government should impose a wage regime by force of law. None of them bothered to look ahead and to ask themselves what would happen as soon as that regime ran up against the first picket, as soon as it was confronted with the necessity to arrest and fine somebody for defiance of the consequential provisions. In other words, we were being urged to behave much like Mussolini would have been inclined to behave 40 years ago. The Government of the day withstood all this pressure. They turned the other cheek to all the abuse and patiently sat down with the other partners. In this connection I must give credit to two former Ministers in particular, Deputy Ryan and Deputy O'Leary; they worked very long hours to secure that agreement on which rest a large number of the favourable indicators which we now see. Another Government are getting the benefit of this and, no doubt, they will claim credit. I do not whinge or complain about that because that is what politics is about. I suppose we may have got the benefit of certain matters when we came into office, but I think I am entitled to put on record the fact that one of the very important factors in producing the happy state of affairs which the Minister emphasised a few minutes ago was the achievement of the Government which I served in obtaining a reasonable national wage settlement.

I wish this Government the same success; but whether they will have the same success in persuading the people that what looked like unconditional promises of tax concessions were not, in fact, unconditional but were conditional on the achievement of a moderate wage settlement, is much more problematical. Certainly I do not wish them success in that. It is bad enough to have been the victim of misrepresentation, but to wish a person success in concealing his misrepresentation afterwards is superhuman virtue which I do not possess.

Córas Tráchtála cannot be praised highly enough. Their achievements in the large scale are documented by the debates here in this House and by their own report. I have had a few dealings with them personally in the last few years and I cannot speak highly enough of the impression they made on me with regard to the thoroughness and willingness to invest immense quantities of expertise and efforts in tracing potential markets. There were one or two occasions during the time we were in Government when privately and as an ordinary individual I wrote to them and suggested that products which I had observed were not in common use on the Continent but which were in very common use here might be the subject of an export effort. I could not describe to the House the trouble Córas Tráchtála went to in order to check that possibility and document it. I am sure it had nothing to do with the fact that I was a TD; I am sure they would have given the same attention to anybody else. I compliment them on their public relations on the small scale as well as on their very conspicuous achievements on the large scale.

The report mentions a relatively new undertaking, the Irish Export Agency that was established in late 1975. It is a division of Córas Tráchtála and it has the job of securing orders on a commission basis for Irish exporters in distant markets in the Far East and in the Middle East. This service has yielded a modest amount of sales in its first year—about £1,250,000—but it is only starting. My information is that Irish exporters, who may be in a large way of business by Irish standards but are in a very small way of business by world standards, have much appreciated this new service and they have made profitable use of it. The suggestion which I have heard made by authoritative people is that it might be a good thing if the operations of this division of Córas Tráchtála were extended to cover markets that are not so far distant as the Far East but which are still a little out of touch. It might cover markets which may come within the EEC in the near future, or may already be in the EEC, but where the Irish export effort has been somewhat halting, where it has not been as successful as it has been in the nearer continental countries.

To make the thing concrete. I have heard the suggestion made that in Italy the Irish exporting effort has not been as confident and as effective as in France or in Germany. It is somewhat more distant, the distribution systems and the way they do things in Italy are somewhat different and the relative unfamiliarity and distance of the terrain make it a relatively daunting prospect for Irish exporters. I pass on this suggestion, which I got from authoritative sources—that Córas Tráchtála might consider extending the operation of this division to cover markets which are not geographically so distant, which are big markets. The Italian market is a very big market. I might also add to Italy the three countries which are potential members of the Community, which looks like being enlarged in the near future, Spain, Portugal and Greece. The very same considerations which I mentioned in regard to Italy will apply there. They are just that bit further away, geographically, than Britain, France or Germany and their way of doing things is just that bit more unfamiliar. It may be that Córas Tráchtála would consider that the possibility of extending the Agency's operations into Europe, even into the EEC or prospective members of the EEC, might be fruitful.

I notice also in their report that they admit that the efforts that they have made in Eastern Europe have been a disappointment. I should like to read two paragraphs from the report which state:

The Board continues to be disappointed with progress, or lack of it, in Eastern Europe, except for Poland and Yugoslavia where reasonable headway has been made. Exporters and Córas Tráchtála staff have worked very hard in that area but their efforts have been largely unrewarded considering the results to date. The return on Córas Tráchtála resources deployed towards Eastern Europe allied to individual firms' activities there, is less than proportionate to what has been accomplished elsewhere.

Eastern European markets accounted for only 0.72 per cent of total Irish exports, with a value of £13.5 million, in 1976. The board takes the view that evidence of a commercial nature is required to justify the continuation of our promotional efforts in Eastern Europe. If future commercial results are not satisfactory, we shall have no alternative but to deploy our resources elsewhere.

That is very frank language and I am glad that Córas Tráchtála and other State bodies will use frank language like that when it is needed. I am sure the Minister will agree with me about this, because I heard him say some fairly sharp things about our diplomatic relations with Eastern Europe when he was in Opposition. It seems to me a pity that, at the very moment when we have established a couple of resident missions in Eastern Europe and have established other diplomatic relations on a non-resident basis, Córas Tráchtála should be expressing disappointment with trade efforts and also talking about the possible redeployment—in other words closing down—of the offices which they have got there. They have got offices in Moscow and Warsaw.

I will not tell Córas Tráchtála their business; but in the global national picture it is a pity that just after we have gone to the trouble at very considerable expense of setting up diplomatic representations with those countries, the main purpose for which the representation was established being the improvement of trade relationships, Córas Tráchtála are more or less prepared to throw their hats at it. That is not the fault of Córas Tráchtála. The problems of selling in communist countries are quite different from the problems of selling in capitalist countries. Nobody disputes that and quite separate considerations apply. It seems to me a sad thing that it should be so.

The Eastern European countries with which we have got relations were very keen that these relations should be established. The initiative in this regard by no means came from us— as I am sure the Minister, who was in Government at the time when decisions in principle were taken, will agree. The value for the USSR or Czechoslovakia in having a representation in Dublin is of a quite different kind from the motive we might have in maintaining representation in Moscow. We are not there to present a front for the capitalist or democratic world. We may do that in a minuscule way but that is not our purpose. If it were, we would make ourselves ridiculous by attempting to carry it out. A small country like this cannot do anything of that scale, least of all in a country where communications are so rigidly controlled as they are in Russia.

It is problematical what the Irish Embassy in Moscow can achieve but as a gesture of anxiety to smooth détente and relations in the European world and the world generally the thing probably has a certain value. The purpose of an Eastern European representation here is quite different, as can be seen from the enormous contrast—to which the Minister drew attention when he was is Opposition—between the size of the mission which is maintained in one capital compared with the mission maintained in the other. The personnel attached to the USSR Embassy here is ten or twelve times larger than the personnel attached to our Embassy there. Their purposes are of a quite different order. I need not explore them; it would be an impertinence and a discourtesy to do so. They are in no way dependent on the achievement of a beneficial trade relationship. I have no doubt that even if the trade imbalance vis-à-vis the USSR were entirely in our favour the USSR Embassy would still be there with exactly the same personnel.

When I was Parliamentary Secretary to the Taoiseach I replied a few times to questions, the most recent occasion being October, 1976, about trade balance between us and the USSR and other European countries. The thing was unsatisfactory with all of them. There may have been one or two years when by accident we had a favourable trade relationship with one or two of those countries. Our trade relationship with Eastern Europe is, by and large, very disappointing, as Córas Tráchtála say. I have the figures here which I gave in answer to a question from the Minister, when he was in Opposition in October, 1976, which showed an immense imbalance. There were a couple of years, notably 1975, in which the imbalance was not so bad; I believe this was due to a sudden wool famine in the USSR which enabled us to export very large quantities of wool there. In 1976, in the first seven or eight months about which I replied— the picture at the end of the year was no different—the imbalance was immense. Between January and August, 1976 the imports from the USSR were £13,857,000 and our exports there had not even reached the £1 million mark. That is a very serious imbalance. I have no authority to say this, as I have not consulted my party leader or Foreign Affairs spokesman about mentioning it: but personally I believe that where the main purpose from our point of view of representation in Eastern Europe has been so grossly disappointing, notwithstanding frequent prodding, we ought to review our diplomatic representation in that area in the same way that Córas Tráchtála are thinking of reviewing their commercial representation there. I will say no more about it than that, because it is not my responsibility. I feel I have to that extent in this particular matter, if on few others, a sympathetic ear across the way, and I do not think the Minister will differ from me in echoing the disappointment of Córas Tráchtála that matters should be as they are.

The last thing I want to say has a bearing on the relatively new dimension which Córas Tráchtála have developed in regard to their contribution towards our development aid effort. It is associated with a group which carries the name DEVCO. It makes its skills available to the developing world through this umbrella. It is a very good thing that the semi-State bodies have responded so enthusiastically to the suggestion of setting up an umbrella agency which would channel their skills and expertise into the developing world. It seems a peculiarly appropriate thing for Ireland because we had been a developing country— and measured by many standards still are—and we had to pull ourselves up by our own bootlaces. We are now in a position to teach to the people of other countries many of the things we learned, in the development of hydro-electricity, bog development, foreign marketing, the attraction of foreign industrial investment and the operation of customs free zones. The efforts of the semi-State bodies in that regard cannot be too highly praised.

To some extent this is an area of potential relief for our unemployment problem, certainly at the white collar level. People are rushing through secondary school and into university looking for degrees in business management, commerce, accountancy and disciplines of that kind. We know that they cannot all be absorbed in Ireland, and unless we apply a rigorous system of entry to the universities many of these people will be very disappointed young adults and no conceivable amount of economic growth will provide enough jobs for them. The potential for a good and rewarding career in the developing world under the umbrella of the semi-State bodies such as CTT is something we ought consciously to take into account in our planning for the reduction in the overall unemployment picture and for the reduction of the potential unemployment in this white collar area. I join the Minister in commending the Bill to the House.

I commend the Minister for the speedy introduction of this Bill, which has the full support of the Labour Party. In fact, one can say that CTT have been one of the outstandingly successful State-sponsored bodies and have made a very positive contribution to the growth of Irish exports. It is easy to set up a State-sponsored body and build an elaborate office in Sandymount and staff it with a lot of reasonably well-paid public servants and hope that an export drive will develop. It is a different thing to staff some 19 offices throughout the world, to administer these offices by and large from Dublin and to ensure that the staff there bring about a growth in exports, particularly manufactured exports, to these 19 locations.

The vast majority of politicians have never worked in factories and have never been personally involved in the export of goods and services. Unfortunately, the vast majority of us do not speak foreign languages and we are not trained in the ways of exporting. It was only during the past 15 or 20 years that young people worked abroad in CTT offices. Many of them are of my own generation and I have the highest regard for those who are prepared to accept assignments as trade advisers, spend years living abroad, learn foreign languages and accept a status which is not held in the highest esteem. There are not many Irish people who are prepared to do that, particularly as public servants. It gets under my skin when I hear people, including some in the private sector, making ideologically snide remarks about the role of the State-sponsored bodies, while at the same time they are only too glad whenever the occasion arises to dash for assistance to CTT or the IDA, accept that assistance and export successfully. One would have to squeeze blood out of them to get them to admit that State-sponsored organisations such as CTT have a dynamic and innovative contribution to make within a mixed economy. One reads in some of the quasi-political columns the reports of the chairmen of major companies who frequently avail themselves of the services of CTT. One finds this back-handed compliment to the role of State-sponsored bodies, particularly CTT, the IDA, the IIRS and others who are directly involved in the manufacturing area.

It is important that we should stress that we provide free of charge to overseas buyers and importers a wide range of facilities and a comprehensive advisory and information service on Irish merchandise and sources of supply. Those of us who have had recourse to the Irish Export Directory in the Dáil library or elsewhere know that CTT are making a major contribution.

I am pleased that my colleague, Deputy Kelly, referred to the role of CTT vis-à-vis DEVCO. I have the greatest regard for the individuals in CTT, the IDA or the IMI who have accepted assignments abroad under the auspices of DEVCO and other agencies and have made a contribution of technical assistance to the underdeveloped world. These assignments are very arduous. Recently I met a number of persons who have been abroad and certainly they have earned their money. It is not easy to go abroad and leave one's family for, perhaps, 18 months, coming home once or twice during that period. These people deserve the regard of this House and it is time that we paid tribute to them.

It is self-evident that there has been a major growth in industrial exports during the past five years, particularly in 1976. and CTT have made an important contribution to that growth. It is difficult to quantify that contribution precisely because we would have to segregate the IDA firms and the contribution they make. If one could segregate the IDA contributions one would see the precise contributions of both the IDA and Córas Tráchtála. That is not to say that the Córas Tráchtála contribution has not been of major benefit to the country.

It is equally important that we should recognise the extent to which Córas Tráchtála have assisted in the diversification of our exports. For example, in 1966 we exported 64 per cent of our merchandise to the UK. In 1976 that figure was down to 48 per cent. In 1966 our exports to the EEC were only 11 per cent. Today our exports to the EEC are 27 per cent. The diversification of our industrial exports is an encouraging feature which is of importance to us and I welcome it. At the same time, I would stress that 50 per cent of our exports still go to Britain. In that regard the indications are that the economic upturn in the UK economy will continue to benefit our exports.

One point made by people working in Britain is that the political situation has affected the growth of our exports to Britain. There is no doubt that there has been resistence in certain areas. For instance, in south Dublin an ESB transformer has borne the words "Brits Out" for the past six months. Within half a mile of the transformer there are three major industrial plants which are frequently visited by British buyers. One of them remarked to me that it is not very encouraging to have to pass this sign on each occasion he visits the plants. The casual acceptance of such slogans by local authorities does not help the growth of our exports.

The genuine desire of the political parties to enact legislation of this nature could be jeopardised by the current disquieting spate of industrial disputes. These disputes, in which there is an needless degree of internecine friction between individuals, particularly in plants geared solely to exports, could affect industrial growth.

I commend the Minister for introducing this essential legislation. In their manifesto the Minister and his colleagues referred vaguely to consideration being given to a new credit export finance corporation. One would be interested to know the precise relationship that would have with the current CTT operation and whether the Minister and his colleagues have given any definite consideration to the proposition.

I support the Bill and look forward to a spurt in CTT's work for the country, work which, in a mixed economy, one of our State-sponsored bodies can be said to be making a major contribution.

I congratulate the Minister on his appointment and wish him luck in this very tough Department. I also wish to pay tribute to the CTT for the excellent work they have done. It is extremely important to reassert as often as possible that the success of CTT depends entirely on our rate of inflation. It is clearly understood that exports will dwindle if inflation is not held within reasonable limits.

When he was referring to the national wage agreements which were successfully negotiated by the previous Government, Deputy John Kelly could have been more generous and stated that the first national wage agreement was negotiated by a Fianna Fáil Government. As a party Fianna Fáil are against statutory wage agreements.

It was also Fianna Fáil who made the first inflationary pay handout of 12½ per cent in 1964 in order to win two by-elections. That is when inflation really got off the ground.

It was under a Fianna Fáil Government that the first national wage agreement worked in this country. It is agreed that national wage agreements are the best means of controlling inflation. It is less than two years since the former Taoiseach referred to the fact that 50 per cent of inflation was home-induced and could not be blamed on the increasing cost of raw materials. It is important that we keep our costs down. Manufacturers deserve much credit for this because CTT, if they are to be effective, must be backed by manufacturers who are as enthusiastic as are CTT in this regard. However, all the incentives put at the disposal of manufacturers can be nullified by unreasonable wage demands. I am sure I speak for everyone in the House in expressing the wish that another national wage agreement can be negotiated successfully. The trade union movement here must consider carefully what is happening in Britain where, because certain sections of trade unions have ignored the interest of the country, the workers are beginning to turn on the unions. A similar situation could develop here should the trade unions endeavour to challenge the Government in their efforts to reach reasonable settlements in wage agreements.

We may take it that at least 90 per cent of the working population are anxious to continue in employment and that they are aware that unreasonable wage demands could put them out of work. Consequently, the setting of guidelines in this area is as much a matter for the trade union movement as for the Government. The workers, too, must realise the necessity for the trade unions to be reasonable and responsible. The negotiations in respect of the next agreement are likely to be tough but I am optimistic enough to believe that the trade unions will do their part in keeping inflation under control. The figure in respect of inflation has been reduced considerably since this Government came to office. This is due partly to the removal of the road tax on motor cars and next year there will be the total abolition of rates on private dwellings, effecting a considerable increase in real incomes. This net increase in incomes will not mean that the people concerned will have to pay more income tax since they did not get relief in respect of rates.

This Bill signals growth in the manufacturing field. We want this growth to continue. I should like to think that the Minister would be in a position to bring forward a similar measure again in a few years' time seeking an increased amount of money, not as a result of inflation but in order to enable CTT to open offices in other countries. Deputy Kelly referred to the closing of offices in certain countries where the balance of trade deficits are very much against us. There is some merit in that idea. However, in a situation in which, for instance, the products we were selling in a trade deficit situation were products that could not be sold anywhere else because of surpluses, it might be worth while leaving the office open. In any case, we must be very careful in our negotiations with countries in which we are planning to open offices for the purpose of extending our trade.

At a recent fair in Germany the total value of orders placed with Irish firms amounted to £7 million. Much credit for this phenomenal success must go to CTT for having provided the necessary facilities for the manufacturers who exhibited at the fair. Within the past few weeks at a clothing fair here at home, one firm succeeded in getting orders to the extent of £1 million worth of goods. All this indicates our ability to compete successfully. Our products are of a high quality but we must keep an eye on price levels because it is very important that we do not price ourselves out of the market. It appears now that a certain discipline is manifesting itself in this area. Much is heard of the differences between private enterprise and State enterprise, for instance, that the problems are not as many in private enterprise firms as is the case in semi-State bodies. One could instance CIE and the ESB. From certain sections we hear calls for the nationalisation of all industry but I am a great believer in the private enterprise system so long as it is given sufficient incentives. If we can be relied on to keep our word in respect of tax concessions, for instance, to be able to assure manufacturers that such concessions will not be removed by some future Government, we shall be able to continue to attract industry into the country. Unfortunately, this was not the case in respect of the mining industry.

Deputy Desmond referred to such slogans as "Brits out" on some walls in the Clonskeagh area and he expressed the opinion that British visitors to the factories in the area would find such graffiti offensive. I am sure British businessmen are mature enough to realise that we, too, have our lunatic fringe and that such activity does not reflect the views of the people as a whole. There is no shortage of graffiti in Britain, either.

One of the great ambitions of this small country has been to lessen as rapidly as possible our dependence on the British market. Recent figures show that we have been successful in this regard within the past few years. The Minister told us that in 1976, 49 per cent of our exports went to the UK, compared with 56 per cent in 1974 and 66 per cent in 1971. This is one of the benefits of our membership of the EEC. It was something that we told the people about when we asked them to vote for membership. The advantage of this reduction in our dependence on the British market enables us to diversify our exports. Despite these changed circumstances we still need the British market and must continue to sell as much as possible in that area. As our nearest neighbour Britain is the most accessible market to us.

In conclusion there is one other point I should like to make. When Deputy Kelly was referring to wage agreements he forgot to mention that they imposed a statutory wage freeze on the banks and this was something that we had never done. It is not for them to point the finger at us. I have made the points I have wanted to make. I am delighted with the work that Córas Tráchtála are doing and continuing to do. Genuine praise has come from all sides of this House for the last few years whenever a similar topic has been before us.

I would like to wish Deputy Máire Geoghegan-Quinn well in her new appointment. It is a very important one and I have no doubt she will be very effective in that role.

I am pleased to support the granting of these additional moneys for Córas Tráchtála, who have been one of our greatest successes. They have projected our goods in every part of the world in a very positive way. We could be manufacturing here but without an effective sales force and agencies to go abroad and sell we would have our warehouses full of stock that we could not dispose of. Without a good sales force there cannot be an effective export situation. The figures speak well for themselves and show that over the last few years our exports have been increasing rapidly. It is heartening to see that we are ahead of our competitors in Europe in this area. That is due in no small measure to the expertise and dedication of the people in Córas Tráchtála. This must be said because quite frequently in this House we knock semi-State bodies, sometimes justifiably, but where credit is due we should stand up and give it.

I would like to see the Department of Foreign Affairs playing a role where Córas Tráchtála may not be useful. That Department should recruit people with business expertise and place them in the various offices. We have a lot of such talent and one way of using it is to employ these people in the various offices as trade ambassadors abroad, thus ensuring that wherever they are Irish goods will be projected. We are an island country, we are vulnerable, and the only way we can live is by exporting. If we do not export we die. In the past people had ideas that we could be self-sufficient and live within our own four walls. That myth has been long dispelled. Our people want a higher standard of living and the only way we can achieve that is by getting into world markets and disposing of our products there.

In passing I would like to pay a tribute to the IDA. Both the IDA and Córas Tráchtála, while two separate bodies, are intertwined and have a lot in common, one developing the job potential within the country and the other selling the products manufactured by our various companies. This relationship is working very well. As previous speakers have said, while the IDA and Córas Tráchtála are doing their job very effectively, we here have the bigger role to play to ensure that we remain competitive in our prices. The world has become a hard business place and if we are not able to compete we may move over and let somebody else who can do so. That is one of the reasons why over the last few years our exports have risen dramatically despite the inflation which was world-wide and of which we had our share. We improved, and this was reasonable. Why? Because we were able to negotiate reasonable wage agreements. The last speaker mentioned at one stage that workers were moving away from the trade unions because they were not responsible.

I did not say that. It is a gross exaggeration.

The Deputy did say it.

If the Deputy reads the record he will see that that is not what I said.

The trade union movement are a responsible movement and they have proved that over the years in the way they have negotiated. A number of times in the best interests of the country and to ensure that employment was maintained at as high a level as possible, they have had to talk their members into accepting a little less than the members hoped for. With regard to the statutory wage agreement I think it was introduced vis-à-vis the banks because many groups of people were behaving irresponsibly. In this case I cannot say the workers behaved irresponsibly but the banks did. They wanted to break away from these national wage agreements and to push the country into economic chaos. That is what they were doing on the one hand and on the other hand they were telling the Government that they were spending too much money and were not controlling the economy. These were people who at one stage were critical of the Government and yet were prepared to be most irresponsible. A Government has to govern. I am talking about only a very small fraction of the work-force. The great majority of the work-force were prepared to accept the line of the national wage agreement. They were in a perilous position and there was no alternative. The Government did not put anybody in jail.

We are dealing with export promotion in this Bill and I am afraid the Deputy is straying from that at the moment.

I agree with you. I am straying from it——

I was——

Sorry, Deputy, there must be one speaker at a time.

I felt I could not let it go.

We could leave it at the moment.

Getting back to the straight and narrow again and talking about the whole area of exports, I wonder whether Córas Tráchtála would feel that it might be economic for them to have an office with a full regalia of staff and to employ some type of agent. Export firms do that and they have agencies within other countries. Do Córas Tráchtála, where they would not consider it economic to set up their own office, employ an agent to look after their interests? Export firms have agencies in other countries. If Córas Tráchtála do not appoint such agents, they should consider doing so with a view to encouraging Irish exports and as business expands eventually setting up their own office.

One thing I am pleased about in regard to Córas Tráchtála and other State agencies is that they will be coming under the scrutiny of this House by way of the Committee that was set up and which I hope will be reconstituted. While I have been complimenting Córas Tráchtála and the IDA, I believe that when this House votes money to such organisations it has the right to examine all aspects of them. I have no doubt that Córas Tráchtála would welcome any such scrutiny, which is necessary to ensure that all our agencies are operating with the maximum efficiency. When industrial disputes and major problems affecting semi-State bodies arise, such bodies tend to isolate themselves. I am sure when this examination has been carried out we will all be satisfied with the performance of these bodies, but it is important that the examination should be carried out.

Again I welcome this motion increasing the amount to be voted from £25 million to £45 million. I think it will ensure the continuance of exports, and I hope it will create many more jobs and lead to further economic growth.

I would like to thank the House for the welcome that has been given to this Bill and for the various remarks that were made in support of and in appreciation of the efforts of CTT to promote exports since their establishment. The export figures in recent years, as has been remarked, have been extremely commendable, but it is worth bearing in mind that, with the exception of the British market, our exporters have had over the last couple of years particular assistance in export markets because of the devaluation of sterling against the currencies of countries to which they are selling. This tendency for sterling to lose its value appears happily to have come to an end and there is a movement in the opposite direction discernible in recent months. It is only right to sound a note of warning now that this may well have its effect on our export figures in the latter part of this year and in 1978. I hope our exporters will continue their efforts notwithstanding, or indeed because of, this possible change in exchange rates.

Among a number of the matters which were mentioned here today was the question of the export agency which CTT established a year or so ago. Its functions have been somewhat limited up to now. It has been confined to selling directly on behalf of small companies which could not establish an export organisation of their own within their company, and its functions have been limited also to rather distant markets such as the Far East where small Irish firms, in particular, could scarcely undertake any marketing operation.

I have encouraged the board of CTT to consider strengthening the Irish Export Agency by increasing the number of personnel who are involved, by widening the range of products which it covers and perhaps also by extending the areas of its operation which at the moment are primarily the Far East and the Middle East. One market in particular which has scarcely been touched at all by Irish exporters is the South American market, where there must be opportunities. However, I do not want Irish industry in general to get the feeling that CTT are now setting up a direct selling organisation which will do the work for them. I would urge the firms concerned to realise that the primary export effort must be made by themselves and that this agency is designed only to assist small firms and to assist them in markets which would otherwise be very difficult or almost impossible for them to operate in.

The primary function of CTT is not as a direct selling agency. It is a promotional agency to give advice and assistance of various kinds to firms who are primarily engaged in exporting their own products. Nevertheless, I look forward within these limitations to an extension of the activities of the agency.

I look forward to more small Irish firms—by "small" I mean, generally speaking, firms of the size that would be regarded as small industries by the IDA—availing of the services of this agency in selling to the more remote markets. It is not envisaged that at any time this agency would operate in Europe either inside or outside the EEC, because the European market, relatively speaking, has easy access for even small firms.

Deputy Kelly spoke of the position of our trade with Comecon countries. I referred to this last August when I gave some indication of the Government's feelings in this respect. I support the views expressed by CTT in their 1976 report issued a few months ago. Those views were cited by Deputy Kelly today. We continue to stand in a very serious imbalance in our trade with Eastern European markets generally. The imbalance is not any better proportionately than it was in 1971-72 before we opened resident diplomatic relations with the USSR and opened up our contacts with Eastern Europe generally.

It is a matter of considerable disappointment to the Government that notwithstanding our embassy in Moscow, in the past four years or so there has not been any improvement in our balance of trade with Russia and Eastern European countries generally. This exists notwithstanding considerable efforts at the political level by my predecessor and by the former Minister for Foreign Affairs to improve that situation. I can only repeat what I said in August, that unless there is an indication at an early date of a political will on the part of Eastern European Governments to bring about some degree of progress towards equalisation of trade between them and Ireland, the Government and CTT will have to think again about the degree of effort that should in future be devoted to trying to sell in Eastern European markets.

Hear, hear.

The position of trying to sell in Comecon countries is quite different from selling in a free democratic country where one is free to approach individual firms and organisations in an effort to sell one's products. There is no such freedom in Eastern European countries where one is dealing with a Government-directed centralised agency, or agencies, and unless political decisions are made in these countries that there should be an effort to bring about equalisation of trade with Ireland or, for that matter, any other Western countries, then that equalisation will not take place.

It seems strange that we as the only non-member of NATO in the EEC should continue to suffer such an extremely adverse balance of trade with Eastern European countries generally. I hope it will be realised that this imbalance cannot be allowed to continue and that steps must be taken to rectify it. There is nothing further we on our side can do. As I have said, it is a disappointment to us that the opening of resident diplomatic relations with an exchange of ambassadors has not led to any improvement in the trade situation. I do not think we can wait a great deal longer for these developments to take place. If they do not we will have to concentrate our efforts on encouraging efforts in markets which are more likely to be lucrative.

It must be emphasised that for us exports are not just figures on paper. In a very real way they represent jobs here, the creation and retention of jobs, and jobs represent the national priority from the point of view of this Government. Therefore, CTT and our export efforts generally will have the fullest support in our endeavours to develop export markets. There are few countries in which exports play such a fundamental part in job creation and retention as here, a small country with 3.5 million people. Any hope for expansion or improvement here rests almost exclusively on the need to expand our foreign trade. Up to 50 per cent of our GNP derives directly from foreign trade and the significance of this proportion can only be realised fully when one remembers that the corresponding US figure is in the region of 6 per cent. We are a very open economy, fiercely dependent on our freedom to trade with other nations and, generally speaking, anxious to see the trading avenues of the world kept as open and free as possible because, in the long run, we must be the gainers rather than the losers by a movement in the world towards freedom of trade.

The special section within CTT was referred to, the section that gives aid to developing countries. This is referred to within CTT as technical assistance and I am happy to say that that small section has assisted 51 developing countries either by providing assistance in the countries concerned or services here such as training for the benefit of nationals of those countries. Such activities are important in an international sense but there can be no question of them being allowed to impinge unduly on the export activities of CTT. The services I have been talking about generally speaking are provided without cost to this country because there is full recoupment from various international agencies of the cost of the limited number of staff involved.

Deputy F. O'Brien suggested that the Department of Foreign Affairs might consider the business expertise available when sending officials to our embassies abroad and he suggested that such people could act as trade ambassadors where CTT personnel may be thin on the ground. That is a suggestion I shall certainly convey to the Minister for Foreign Affairs. It would, of course, be a matter for him to decide on. The suggestion is not entirely novel inasmuch as other countries operate in this way. I should certainly like to see our foreign diplomatic representation broadened to some extent to take account of the fact that our trading interests are perhaps one of the most important interests abroad and so a greater trading emphasis in our diplomatic representation might not be out of place bearing in mind what other countries do in this regard.

I have covered the majority of the points made but if there are any points to which I have not actually replied I shall be glad to convey whatever information is required privately to the Deputies concerned.

I am obliged to the House for the welcome given to the Bill. There is, I think, a general realisation of the importance of the work which CTT are doing and a general appreciation of the successes they have achieved. We should not see the work of CTT in trying to promote exports as something separate from the tremendous national task of job creation. CTT have made a very substantial contribution to the creation and maintenance of jobs in encouraging and enabling firms to move into export markets particularly in the realm of manufacturing industry. Such firms have been enabled thereby to expand in a way in which they could not have expanded without the help of CTT. I look forward to CTT further intensifying their work and that body can be assured of my help and co-operation at all times as they have, indeed, the help, goodwill and co-operation of Members on both sides of the House.

Question put, and agreed to.

When is it proposed to take the Committee Stage?

I should like to take it now but I gather it cannot be taken more than seven days before the Seanad sits and so we shall have to hold the Committee Stage for that reason until next Wednesday.

On a point of information, is what the Minister has just said correct?

I am told it is a matter of Seanad Standing Orders. The House must be summoned seven days after getting a Money Bill and the Seanad does not propose to meet until, I think, 26th October. This is a Money Bill and therefore the Seanad must deal with it within seven days.

The same situation will arise in regard to the next Bill.

It obviously will. I am rather grateful for that because, if I do not get enlightenment, I shall put down an amendment.

Committee Stage ordered for Wednesday, 19th October, 1977.
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