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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 14 Dec 1978

Vol. 310 No. 9

Adjournment of Dáil: Motion.

I move:

That the Dáil at its rising this week do adjourn for the Christmas Recess until Wednesday, 31 January 1979.

In case there is any complaint this morning, I understand the script will be circulated almost immediately. When the House rises at the conclusion of this debate, it will do so at the end of one of the most successful periods on record for the Irish economy. I said when the Government were elected to office that I would be content to have our performance judged above all by reference to the success we achieved in increasing employment and reducing the numbers out of work. On this criterion, I believe that we can look back upon 1978 with justified pride.

While firm estimates cannot be made until the official mid-April 1979 employment estimates become available next year, the available information indicates that the overall net increase in employment will be 17,000, the largest year-on-year increase in the last 30 years. Indeed the closest increase in that period was the increase of 10,000 recorded in the year to April 1974.

The unprecedented progress flows largely from the direct job-creation programme undertaken by the Government. It will be recalled that our pre-election manifesto undertook to take immediate action to provide 20,000 new jobs within 12 months. However, in the budget last January, we provided sufficient funds to speed up the programme so as effectively to replace the manifesto commitment by a new target of 22,860 new jobs to be directly created over the 18-months period to the end of this year.

This revised target will be fulfilled. Direct job creation in the three areas covered by the programme, namely, the public sector, building and construction and youth employment, will be of the order of 24,000 by the end of this month, of which some 22,600 will have been filled. The remaining 1,500 vacancies will be filled early in the new year. This represents a massive attack on the problem of unemployment.

From the evidence available, it appears that in the building and construction industry, as a result of the high level of resources directed to it through Government policies, output and employment have increased significantly. The Department of the Environment, in the "Review of the Building and Construction Industry in 1977 and Outlook for 1978", published in June 1978, had anticipated that the increase in output for the industry in 1978 would be 7.6 per cent. Recent indications, however, would suggest that a real increase in the range 10 to 12 per cent would be a more accurate forecast. It is anticipated that the numbers directly employed in the industry in 1978 will show an increase of 5,000 on the 1977 figures.

The following is some of the evidence of this increase in activity and employment in the building and construction industry. The total number of houses completed in 1978 is expected to be in excess of 26,000. This compares with a total figure of approximately 24,500 for 1977. The number of applications for house improvement grants and loans for the first nine months of 1978 is almost double the number for the corresponding period of 1977. Cement sales for the period January-November, 1978 increased by 15 per cent relative to the corresponding period in 1977.

Job creation in the public sector will be in line with the target. In the youth employment area, progress has been very satisfactory and job creation will exceed the target of 5,000 by more than 1,400 jobs. While some of these jobs are of a short-term nature, I believe they are valuable in giving young people experience of working life, in the acquisition of skills and knowledge and in avoiding, for those concerned, the corrosive effects of long-term unemployment.

The direct programme of job creation to which I have been referring was, of course, only one prong of the Government's frontal attack on our employment problems. We also took measures to stimulate demand in the economy and to encourage investment and expansion by the private sector. As a result of these measures and other factors, there have been significant increases in employment in the private sector of manufacturing industry and services. The estimated net increases in employment in both the public and private parts of industry and services are 7,000 and 10,000 respectively.

However, the positive contribution of the private sector to these increases now seems likely to be less than had been expected, firstly because the level of job losses through redundancy is above expectation and secondly, because the bulk of increased industrial output is coming from greater productivity rather than greater employment. The trend towards higher redundancies is disappointing but it is hardly surprising given the many pressures for wage increases well in excess of the national wage agreement and the lost output and disruption caused by industrial disputes.

In manufacturing, IDA new job creation is on target but there appears to be a lag between output growth and increases in employment in existing firms. A number of factors appear to have been responsible for the sharp rise in productivity and the associated slower growth in employment in 1978. The overall rise in output reflects exceptionally strong growth in particular sectors such as chemicals and textiles in which there has been a high level of investment in new projects in recent years; this investment has raised the level of productivity in these sectors in particular, and in manufacturing industry in general. Furthermore, higher than expected wage increases led some firms to offset these increased costs by increased productivity with the result that in some instances employment increased more slowly, while in others, workers were made redundant. In addition, it is likely that firms which were previously working at less than full capacity were able to increase output without having to increase employment. Indeed, average hours worked appear to have increased in many sectors while, in some firms, increased output may in itself have facilitated the introduction of more efficient procedures.

It is evident that the impact of the very large increase in employment which has taken place is not fully reflected in the live register returns. There is not a one-for-one relationship between these magnitudes because, for example, some of those taking up employment, such as school leavers, may not have registered as unemployed. Nevertheless, the progress we have made has been seen in a significant reduction in the numbers on the live register. These have been running throughout the year in the range 10,000 to 12,000 below the corresponding figures of last year. At the most recent date for which figures are available, the live register was about 10 per cent below the comparable 1977 figure.

I am glad to be able to record this degree of progress in tackling this problem which has for so long been a blot on our country and a cause of anxiety and hardship for those affected and their families. The elimination of involuntary unemployment will remain the principal objective of this Government.

The progress which has been made in raising employment and reducing unemployment reflects rapid growth in output, exports and investment. The growth target of 7 per cent which we set ourselves, will be achieved and, for the second year in succession, Ireland will have achieved the highest growth rate in the European Community. Indeed our growth rate will be one of the highest achieved in the developed world.

The indications available suggest that fixed investment has expanded very rapidly this year. Imports of producers' capital goods for the first ten months of the year showed a rise of almost 30 per cent on the same period last year. I have already referred to the increase in cement sales. Overall, the increase in fixed investment may reach 15 per cent. This augurs well for continued rapid growth.

Exports of goods and services, it is estimated, will show a rise of 14 per cent, with agricultural exports rising, in volume terms, by about 20 per cent and industrial exports showing an increase, in real terms, of about 12 per cent. The rise in world trade was about 5 per cent while the growth in our major export markets was no more than 7 per cent. Thus, our exports increased their market share. This is gratifying. Tourism also enjoyed a very successful year. The latest estimate for the balance of payments deficit is £150 million which is a considerably more favourable outturn than many commentators predicted. This deficit is more than matched by the inflow of capital so that our reserves are higher this year than at the corresponding date last year.

I turn now to developments in industry and agriculture during the past year. The performance of the manufacturing sector in achieving the Government's economic and social objectives is of critical importance. It will influence the achievement of these objectives both directly and indirectly. Increased output, exports and employment will result directly from the expansion of manufacturing activity and this in turn will induce related expansionary effects in other sectors of the economy. The manufacturing sector will also play a key role in helping to secure a more balanced pattern of regional development consistent with the Government's objectives.

The sector has continued to grow rapidly in 1978. Following an increase of almost 8 per cent in 1977, output is expected to increase by almost 10 per cent in 1978. This significant increase will be due to strong growth in home sales, which has been facilitated by the Government's domestic measures to stimulate the economy, as well as the rapid growth in exports to which I have referred.

Performance in 1977 and 1978 indicates that the agricultural sector is playing a major role in the realisation of the Government's national targets. Gross output rose by 9.4 per cent in 1977 and further substantial growth is expected in 1978. The target in the White Paper of January 1978 of a 25 per cent gross output increase in the four years to 1980 was, therefore, a realistic one.

Nevertheless, in spite of this excellent performance, the development of the sector is hindered by certain problems which prevent it from making an even greater contribution to the national economy. It is, therefore, the Government's intention to implement measures in 1979 which will assist in raising the longer-term growth rate in Irish agriculture.

It is generally accepted that the biggest obstacle to improving the growth rate in Irish agriculture is the poor structure of land ownership. Many younger farmers are hindered from undertaking development through lack of land. At the same time there is much land held by older farmers who are unable or unwilling to improve their farms or expand farm output. To deal with this and other problems of land structure, the Minister for Agriculture is preparing proposals for land structure reform.

The Minister is pressing, at EEC level, for reforms in the farm modernisation scheme which would, inter alia, enable more farmers to qualify for development status. The development of the agricultural sector, as well as the Government's primary objective of full employment, requires that all farmers with development capacity should be encouraged to realise it.

The Government are acutely aware of the importance of farmer training and education in promoting agricultural development. Under legislation currently before the Dáil, An Chomhairle Oiliúna Talmhaíochta will take responsibility for the advisory service and will co-ordinate farmer training and education.

The Government's commitment to encouraging agricultural development has been illustrated by its decision to accelerate drainage operations in the west. The accelerated programme, with EEC aid, will run for five years and will cover 100,000 hectares (about a quarter of a million acres). The EEC and the Irish Exchequer will each contribute 50 per cent of eligible expenditure under the programme which on present estimates will cost well over £40 million.

The Government recognise that the food processing industries provide scope for increasing employment with minimum import content. The Minister for Agriculture has already succeeded in having the EEC remove anomalies which adversely affected the chilled and frozen beef industry. He is continuing to press vigorously for the removal of anomalies affecting the canned and cooked meat sectors.

It has to be realised that farm price increases of the magnitude of recent years will not be available in the future. Growth must come from efficiency and effort. The Government are committed to encouraging the development of Irish agriculture and intend to ensure that the common agricultural policy will not be altered in a manner which would lessen the incentive to output growth. I will avail of this opportunity to say that the suggestion, made yesterday by the leader of the Labour Party, that the CAP might be fundamentally altered as the price of British entry to the EMS is, to anyone who appreciates the attitudes of other member states, totally in the realm of fantasy.

I wish to say emphatically that at all stages of the discussions on the EMS, no matter how preliminary or how advanced, I insisted at all times that the CAP was not up for bargaining or renegotiation in connection with the EMS.

Mr. Callaghan would not agree with you.

That is your boss.

It is very hard to credit Deputy Cluskey's concern for the CAP considering that the members of his party are joined in the European group of socialists whose interests are more inimical to the CAP than any other group.

Chirac left you hanging.

Since Deputy Desmond has intervened and since the leader of the Fine Gael Party made rather contemptuous references yesterday to our association with our French colleagues in the European Parliament I wish to say that no group in the European Parliament has more consistently and vigorously defended the maintenance and extension of the CAP.

We have done that despite Socialist and Christian Democrat opposition. We have done it despite the opposition of the group with which Deputy Cluskey is associated in the European Parliament.

(Interruptions.)

The Danish and German socialists are bailing you out.

You usually encourage opposition when you touch a sore or tender spot and obviously that is a very tender spot. The professed concern in the homely surroundings of Leinster House for the CAP is not reflected in the performance in Luxembourg or in Strasbourg.

(Interruptions.)

Order. Deputies will have their opportunity to speak.

I did not think I had hit home so hard. I am sorry it provoked this response.

(Interruptions.)

I would like to turn for a moment to Northern Ireland, where the problem of ending violence and establishing agreed political institutions seems to be no nearer solution than it was at the time of the last Adjournment Debate six months ago. Earlier this year there were some encouraging indicators on the level of violence in the area. For example, the number of persons killed this year is down on the 1977 figure. In the past month or so, however, the Provisional IRA have stepped up their campaign determined to impose their will on the community at whatever cost in terms of human suffering. This campaign of destruction postpones still further the day of peace and reconciliation in our country. For its part, the Government will continue to do all in its power to frustrate the activities of the terrorists. I am glad to say that co-operation between the forces responsible for security on both sides of the border is on a sound footing and will hopefully continue to help in the task of bringing those engaged in violence to justice.

At the same time, I have always emphasised that the elimination of violence is but a small part of the solution to the problems of the North. The development of political institutions commanding widespread support among both sections of the community remains a basic necessity. Over the past few years I have repeated the view that if the British Government were to declare their interest in the unity of Ireland by consent, an important step on the road ahead would have been taken.

I have emphasised this time and time again in my meetings with the British Prime Minister and, as I indicated to the House in reporting back on a number of occasions after the European Summit meetings, on that point we have to differ. I shall be persistent in bringing that forward because I believe it is the basis for a move forward which unfortunately does not seem to be taking place at present.

At the same time, I wish to make it clear that in the regular reviews of Anglo-Irish relations whether between Mr. Callaghan and myself or between the Minister for Foreign Affairs and his counterpart or anybody else in the British Government we do not seek in any way to take from or diminish the rights of the majority in Northern Ireland. There is no place in our plans for unity by force or for any instantly imposed solution. We seek a settlement achieved following reconciliation of all the different interests involved and based upon agreed political structures involving the whole of Ireland. I think that the advantages of a solution along these lines are coming increasingly to be recognised. The economy here is growing at a pace which makes it attractive to the Northern people to work, live and invest here. We have common interests in the European Community and can argue for and advance policies which are of benefit to the entire island. In any form of administration for the island as a whole the Northern people, with a population approximately half of ours, must have a proportionate voice. By joining with us they would have a say in their future greater than they can ever attain under present arrangements. And the stability which could flow from an agreed settlement would be of immense benefit not only to the people of Northern Ireland, but to the people of this part of Ireland, and of the United Kingdom.

I have made our views known to Mr. Callaghan on the occasions I have met him and I have said that it was on these lines and not through policies like closer integration of the North with Britain, that the Irish Government saw the solution.

I may say again that I raised that point with Mr. Callaghan at my last meeting with him in Downing Street about two weeks ago. He re-affirmed to me that the extension of seats to members representing Northern Ireland in Westminster Parliament was in no way indicative of a move towards integration.

Earlier this year, I established a study group with the Fianna Fáil party to review North-South relations in all aspects. Work in that group is going ahead rapidly on this highly complex subject.

Apart from the longer term issues, there are other practical matters on which co-operation can be of benefit. When I met the British Prime Minister for talks in September 1977 we agreed that it would be of mutual advantage to improve co-operation between the Republic and the UK on economic matters. There have been a considerable number of meetings at political, diplomatic and official level since then.

Both of our Governments attach great importance to North-South economic co-operation, and we wish to see closer contacts and further co-operation develop. A key task of the Anglo-Irish Steering Group set up after my meeting with Mr. Callaghan last year is to ensure that the impetus given to economic co-operation is sustained. I am anxious that all Departments and semi-State bodies should play their full part in enhancing or intensifying this co-operation which is, I stress, of mutual advantage to both North and South and to our respective countries.

The topics discussed by the various North-South official committees and also by the Anglo-Irish Steering Group have included matters in the transport, energy, customs and excise and economic planning fields. There have been useful exchanges of views and information on subjects such as road haulage, tourism, civil aviation, the electricity interconnectors, that is the system of sharing over-loading of electricity generation between the two islands, also simplification of customs requirements and approaches to economic planning.

Three cross-border studies have been completed or are currently in progress. The first of these is the Derry-Donegal communications study.

What is happening to it?

Some of the recommendations have already been implemented.

Will the Taoiseach tell us where?

A study of the Erne catchment area from the point of view of tourism and development of agricultural resources through arterial drainage is about to commence. This study is being funded in part by the European Community, whose support for this cross-Border project is particularly welcome. Officials of the two administrations North and South have put in hands an examination of the scope for a coordinated approach to infrastructure planning and development of the Newry-Dundalk area.

The process of consultation which was established after my meeting with Mr. Callaghan in September of last year has proved to be a valuable one. I look forward to continued progress in the various areas referred to and I trust that it will be possible to enhance co-operation in this sphere of activity to the advantage of all the interests concerned.

I now come to industrial relations. Over a period of years the number of days lost annually due to industrial disputes per 1,000 civilians at work in Germany has ranged from about 3 to 40. In the Netherlands the statistics show a nil loss for a particular year. Denmark lost an average of less than a 100 days per 1,000 employees. Here the figures are about half-way between those for the country with the worst record and the best figures. In other words our record is in or about average. It is important to bear this consideration in mind on this important and complex subject.

However, here, disputes in recent times have hit at services which concern a great number of people. Telephones, milk deliveries, bus transport and electricity supplies are not just peripheral services. They are vital to the life of the nation, and it is these services which have been affected recently by the breakdown of industrial relations. It would be unwise to apportion blame, as a sort of universal general rule, on either unions or management, in the same way in all cases. That is not my concern here today.

What does, however, concern the Government is the way in which procedures which have been agreed by management and workers are so often ignored by small groups who rely on traditional attitudes and loyalties to try to enforce their will—ignoring the commitments and agreements which have been made on their behalf and for their protection. This issue goes far outside the individual or firm concerned. It is something which vitally affects the public interest. The Commission on Industrial Relations is reviewing the problem and the Government are giving it their most serious attention.

Now for the outlook for 1979. The foundations for fast growth were laid in 1978, in particular the stimulation of private sector investment through the Government's expansionary economic policies. It should be possible to achieve substantial growth in 1979 and once again to be at or near the top of the European growth rate.

My reason for this confidence is twofold. On the domestic front investment demand should continue at a high level in response to the buoyant demand conditions experienced in 1978 and the relatively favourable outlook in the domestic and international economies for 1979. The tax cuts and incentives given by the Government in the 1978 budget should also boost investment during the coming year.

The substantial progress made in reducing inflation during 1978 can be maintained during 1979: and even a moderate rise in incomes should be sufficient to ensure a continued rise in living standards. Indeed, it is on our ability to operate an incomes policy successfully that the success of all other policies depends. We cannot increase employment and maintain high rates of economic growth if we destroy the very foundation of the economy by paying ourselves more than our work is worth.

On the external front the outlook for world trade is brighter. Mainly as a consequence of the concerted reflationary action programme undertaken by the main industrialised countries during 1978 the volume increase in world trade should accelerate during 1979. The latest OECD forecast is for a rise in the total import volumes of its members of over 5 per cent, as compared with 4½ per cent in 1978. If our competitiveness can be maintained, we would also expect to increase our percentage share of the world market. Increased home demand will increase imports, and we expect the balance of payments deficit to increase as a result. However, this is unlikely to be a significant constraint, given the relatively high level of external reserves.

Overall, therefore, the outlook for the Irish economy in 1979 is relatively bright provided we act responsibly.

We have spent much time over the past few months debating whether or not this country should enter into the new European Monetary System. The reasons for and against have been spelt out again and again at great length and in detail. I do not intend to go over them here again. In fact, this morning, I am not in a position to add anything to what has been said about the Government's stance on the question of this country's participation. What we are all agreed on is that the fundamental objective of this system is desirable. Every country and every trading bloc wants and needs monetary stability. Each country must reduce inflation, if economic growth and employment are to be sustained and increased.

The debate on this has centred on the question of resource transfers. Relatively little attention has been given to the actual functioning of the system—or the domestic conditions necessary for our successful participation in it. Ireland's case for transfers is good, indeed unique, and is widely accepted by our partners in Europe. However, I think that it is no harm for us here now to look at some of the other factors which could determine how the new system will affect us. These considerations apply whether or not we are in that system—because the fact that the system exists means that there is a new economic climate within which we must operate. We sell about three-quarters of our exports to the other member countries of the EEC— including the United Kingdom and it is in those markets that the effects of monetary stability will be felt. Whether or not we are in the system, we will be affected by it: and we must look to those areas in which we are likely to be most vulnerable.

The first concerns our rate of inflation. This year it will probably be in or about the European average. At that level it is just under one-third of what it was three years ago. The improvement has been brought about, in part, by cheaper imports resulting from admittedly, the appreciation in the value of sterling. But it has also been brought about, in part, by our own efforts. Unfortunately, these efforts have not been sufficient. When we were drawing up our programmes for 1978 we looked to a certain level of increase in wage incomes. That has been significantly surpassed with the consequence that the rate of price increases here is now higher than it need be. Whether or not we are in the new monetary system it will be one of the prime objectives of Government to reduce inflation so as to make employment secure and to guarantee the real value of wages and other incomes. We must start now to think in terms of continental levels of increases—2 or 3 per cent a year, and continental levels of development and prosperity.

This brings me to a second major consideration. We can argue forever here and in other fora about whether increases in incomes generate price increases or price increases call forth demands for higher incomes. This debate is sterile and has no place in the world in which we are living. The major powers in Europe are now firmly committed to the reduction of inflation and to the creation of monetary stability. In these conditions, whether or not we enter the new system, the concept of two digit increases in incomes is obsolete—or worse. It is a recipe for national disaster. In their approach, therefore, to the question of income increases in the coming year the Government will be basing their strategy on the objective of securing increases which are at or very close to the increase in productivity in the economy as a whole. It is a basic truth that to the extent that we depart from this standard, we increase prices and throw people out of jobs.

There is one further consideration. Within a Europe which is drawing ever closer together it will be vital for us to counteract the disability which distance from the centre imposes on this country. We must improve our transport and communications networks. We must expand and modernise our industrial infrastructure. The changes which the Government made on coming to office were designed specifically to achieve these ends. We have orientated the taxation system so as to remove disincentives to investment and enterprise. We have increased public investment. In fact, we have now reached the point where the level of investment, both public and private, in this country is among the highest in Europe. The rates of economic growth we have attained are laying the foundation for a future in which all our people can find worthwhile work in their own country.

What I want to stress in all this is the degree to which we must rely on our own efforts. I have listened to Opposition speakers here during the past few days make the case for additional transfers to Ireland. Transfers are, indeed, necessary—and the basis on which we founded our case in an EMS context is sound. But the essential point is that the primary responsibility for our wellbeing rests here on our own shoulders and within these shores. As has been said time and again, no matter how strong is our case for transfers in the event of our joining the EMS no country owes us a living—that is a matter for ourselves to work out. And it is on the level of intelligence, efficiency and commitment of the Irish people that the future of the Irish nation rests. It is in this belief, and on these principles, that the Government's strategy for the future is based.

I have backed up with figures and comparisons the outline of improvement in employment, in economic development, in GNP and in reduced inflation. This improvement indicates an excellent rate of progress. However, percentage increases are not enough in themselves. We must always remember the low base from which we started, and this low base was contributed to immeasurably by the neglect of the Coalition and especially by their failure in the winter months of 1974 and in the early spring of 1975 to take the kind of action that would have enabled us to recover more quickly from the recession and to take off more buoyantly and more effectively once that recession had ended. Unfortunately, the benches opposite are almost empty. This Government took the steps that were necessary, and now we are on the move, but we must not expect too much too quickly especially in terms of wage increases. It is on our efforts and our restraint in certain areas and on our commitment to the improvement of the economy and to the value of living in our own country that our future will depend.

On behalf of this party I express my agreement with one of the central points in the Taoiseach's address, that is, that the elimination of involuntary unemployment will remain the principle objective of the Government. We agree heartily with that objective. Undoubtedly the greatest waste that can occur in any country is waste of human time and human talent. The fact that such waste is occurring here on a scale higher than is the case in most other European countries must be a matter of prime concern not only for the Government but for all of us here. We must realise, too, that this waste will not be eliminated by any magic solution. In May and June of 1977 some people may have believed there was an easy way to solve this problem, but the only way in which unemployment will be eliminated is if we have the ability to produce and sell competitively both on the home and on foreign markets. Also, we must use our capital resources to the maximum effect in order to achieve employment. In all discussions relating to our economic performance we must have regard to those two pointers of our success.

It is appropriate to consider what has happened in terms of performance since Fianna Fáil were returned to office. As this is the closing debate of the 1978 calendar year we must consider especially what happened during this year. There are five major areas in which the Government's performance can be judged. First, let us take exports. The volume of our exports for this year is little more than half what was achieved in 1977—18 per cent as against 30 per cent, a significant drop. The figures I have given are in value terms, but obviously the growth in exports in volume terms has been approximately 10 per cent or even less.

Secondly, the amount that the Government are spending by way of budget deficit in order to achieve these objectives has doubled in 1978 compared with the previous year. In other words, they are spending more than they are taking in but are not achieving their objectives. This is a matter of grave concern. The external debt of the Government is now £150 million more than it was in July 1977.

Furthermore, apparently the best terms that this Government have been able to negotiate in respect of our entry into the EMS—although we await further intelligence on this—are such that our external debt will be doubled approximately if the full facilities are to be taken up. As I said yesterday, this is a matter of serious concern from the long-term point of view of this country for a number of reasons. First of all, it reduces our control as a debtor nation over our own economic policy-making. Secondly, the interest payments, which will be very substantial on such external debt, will not be subject to Irish income tax and, therefore, will not be capable of being recouped to the extent or in the same way as would interest payments on domestic debts. Therefore, the Government's contribution so far seems set fair almost to double our national external debt. Thirdly, if one adjusts inflation to eliminate from the calculations for 1978 the effect of the once-off removal of rates from houses, our rate of inflation in 1978 is likely to be 9 per cent as against 8 per cent in the UK. For as long as we are in the one currency area it is not possible for any major divergence to take place between our rate of inflation and that in the other country with whom we are linked in currency. However, any divergence is an indicator of the relative health of the two economies within the same system. The adjustment which I mentioned, which is a once-off matter, does not indicate any underlying improvement in our competitive position. It is merely transferring resources from one pocket to another. The fact that our rate of inflation is running faster by this extent than the UK rate of inflation is a clear measure of the effectiveness in this area of the policy of our Government vis-à-vis that of our neighbour country.

Next, in relation to the matter that I mentioned first, the reduction of unemployment, the Government are clearly off target. It is stated clearly in page 9 of their election manifesto that they sought a reduction of 5,000 in the number of unemployed in 1977 and a further reduction of 20,000 up to the end of 1978. That should mean, given the rate of 112,000 unemployed in July 1977 when this Government took office, that unemployment, if the targets set out in the manifesto had been achieved, would now stand at 87,000. Unemployment is at or about 98,000. The Government have gone barely half-way in the period so far in achieving their own stated objective in terms of reduction in unemployment.

These failures which I have indicated can be traced directly to the policies which the Government themselves adopted in taking office in 1977 and subsequently in their budget of 1978. In the first place these policies involved the raising of expectations, and the creation, prior to the 1977 election, of the idea that all that was needed to solve our problems, in the short-term at least, was to spend, spend, spend. When they got in, that is what they did. They pumped money into our economy on a very considerable scale. This pumping into the economy of money at that time was described by one member of the Government as the biggest gamble in the nation's history. In view of the indices that I have quoted—the fall in the growth of exports, the increase in budget deficit, the increase in external debt, our relatively poor rate of inflation compared with the UK and our failure to reach the Government's employment targets—is it not time to ask whether this, the biggest gamble in our nation's history, is going to come off? As a result of this gamble there was an unprecedented consumer boom and the two detrimental results of this were, firstly, a substantial relative increase in imports over exports, and secondly, very much increased speculative profits to the detriment of the consumer.

I will illustrate the comparison I have made in relation to imports over exports. Where did the money go that the Government pumped into our economy to generate this consumer boom? It went abroad in relatively larger measure than it stayed at home. Retail sales in 1978 have increased in volume by 10 per cent but imports at the same time have increased in volume by between 12.5 per cent and 14.5 per cent. If imports have increased by that scale it is likely that domestic sales have increased by less than the average of 10 per cent. Relatively speaking, this pump-priming exercise, because of its undifferentiated nature, did not take account of the sectors of our economy where pump-priming was specifically needed. The Government adopted what could be described as a macro-economic approach where they should have applied a micro-economic approach. The result was that this money which was pumped into our economy with a view to creating employment is, relatively speaking, making a greater contribution to creating employment abroad in countries selling goods to the Irish economy than it is in creating employment in this country.

Secondly, this led to speculation and profit-taking by groups in our economy who are best placed to do so. I can best indicate this by reference to the situation in the housing sector. In the first six months of this year as against the first six months of last year, as a result of the Government's £1,000 grant and other measures intended to promote housing developments being in the form that they were, the cost of a house to somebody buying one has increased by three times as much as the cost of a house to the man who is building it. Clearly, the money being used with a view to creating improvement in housing is not being used to assist the consumer, the person who is buying a house, but it goes into the pockets of builders or other people in that sector. In the first six months of 1978 as against the first six months of 1977 building costs are up by only 10 per cent, whereas the cost of a house to somebody seeking to buy one has gone up by 33 per cent. Those figures just do not add up unless there have been very substantial speculative profits. The £1,000 grant served no other purpose than to provide money for those engaged in the building industry without improving the position to any appreciable extent of those seeking houses.

I contend also that the spend, spend, spend approach characteristic of the Government's economic policy in 1977 contributed to the fact that wages, salaries and incomes generally during 1978 ran far ahead of increased production in our economy and is contributing also to a significant reduction in our competitive position.

It is appropriate at this stage to remind the Government of what they thought they would achieve in this context in 1978, as indicated by the Minister for Finance in his budget statement of February last. I shall quote extensively from the Minister for Finance on that occasion. I shall leave it to the House and the country to compare the performance in this context with what the Minister hoped would happen, as expressed in his budget statement, when he said, at column 357 of the Official Report of 1 February 1978:

The Government believe that improvements in real incomes are best secured in present circumstances through moderate increases in nominal incomes associated with personal tax concessions. For the year 1978 our target is to pay increases of about 5 per cent. To make this acceptable, we have already reduced or abolished rates, motor taxation and social insurance contributions and are proposing concessions in personal taxation—concessions which will result in substantial gains in after-tax pay for wage and salary earners. Adjusting for the expected rise in consumer prices this year, there will be a considerable improvement in real take-home pay, and this will be a lasting improvement, not an illusory one.

The Minister continued to say, at columns 357 and 358:

I should like to clarify aspects of the pay target proposed by the Government. The target was formulated

—this is a target of 5 per cent—

only after careful and detailed examinations of the requirements of the economy in both the short- and medium-term. Demands for flexibility and for adjustments in line with inflation have to accommodate themselves to the need for pay moderation. The Government's commitment is unequivocal and, if agreement to such moderation cannot be achieved, we shall have to take the necessary measures to ensure that excessive increases, if any, are recovered from those who secure them. The Government would be failing the community if they did not take such steps.

What happened? In fact the increase was not 5 per cent. The total increase in wages and salaries in 1978 is expected to rise by 18 per cent. The result of that has been identified by the Central Bank as a significant loss in competitiveness for our exports abroad. The Government set out to achieve a 5 per cent target. By virtue of their failure in political leadership, by virtue of what has been described in this House on many previous occasions as the anti-social nature of many of their policies, far from achieving the 5 per cent which the Minister for Finance so trenchantly insisted would have to be achieved, they had an 18 per cent increase, which is over three times as much as they had hoped. Of course the result of this has been a loss in our competitive position. The fact that imports are running ahead of exports in our economy in 1978 is a direct result of this failure of Government economic policy. The fact that such a wage agreement was negotiated stemmed directly from the raised expectations created during 1977. The impression was given at that time that the money was there for the asking. There was money there to abolish rates, to abolish motor tax. Naturally then the workers, through their negotiators, ask why should there not be money available to give them significant increases in real incomes? On the one hand the Government were saying that the money was there for one purpose but that it was not there for another. And it is not any great wonder that they were not believed.

If we are to succeed as an economy we must ensure that we remain competitive and that increases in incomes do not run ahead of those in real economic production. This will not be achieved simply by talking about it. It will not be achieved by speeches being made in this House or elsewhere. It will be achieved only by consistent political leadership on the part of the Government. There is no use hoping, as the Government seem to do in their White Paper on the Economic and Monetary System, that, in some magical way—perhaps by becoming members of the Economic and Monetary System—our income increase problems, in so far as they exceed production increases, will be solved magically. The Government say that furthermore the discipline involved in membership of a zone of monetary stability acts as a powerful aid in the fight against inflation. That discipline will take place only if there is concerted leadership from the Government. It will not take place automatically unless, of course, the Government envisage that the discipline to flow from membership of the EMS is that of further unemployment. I do not think that would be acceptable to anyone.

My criticism of the Government at present is that they are not taking steps that should now be taken to achieve a moderate national wage agreement in 1979. This was most evident in the negotiations for entry to the EMS. These were complex negotiations, in many cases directly affecting the potential livelihood of workers in industries vulnerable to appreciation of our currency vis-à-vis sterling. Did the Government attempt to take on the social partners? Did they attempt to take the unions representing the workers in those industries into their confidence in the EMS negotiations? They did not even give them accurate information as to what was happening in those negotiations. They made no attempt to assess the likely impact on particular sectors of our economy of our becoming members of the EMS. There was no taking into the confidence of the Government of the trade unions, the employers or the other sectors of our economy in these negotiations, as there should have been. If we are expecting as apparently the Government are in their White Paper, that discipline will occur automatically as a result of our becoming members of the EMS, we are bound to be sadly disillusioned. Discipline will occur only if the Government show their earnest progressive social policies and by taking those involved on both sides of industry into their confidence in negotiations taking place. It is through those means only that discipline will be achieved voluntarily. Discipline cannot be achieved externally, as the Government seem to think, simply by joining a system or by making speeches. Discipline will be achieved only by conscious policy.

I wonder are the Government actively seeking a national wage agreement at all at this stage. Indeed, if we do not get a national wage agreement, the consequences in terms of industrial unrest will be immeasurable. The Taoiseach has referred to this already, pointing out, rightly, that the actual number of days lost does not fully represent the position, because the days lost in Irish industry have been in strategic areas of our economy which cause widespread hardship. One cannot measure those simply and solely in terms of days lost; one must measure them in their overall economic context. There is no doubt in my mind that the strikes that have been taking place in our economy since the present Government assumed office have been far more damaging in overall economic terms than one might expect from the average type of strike that takes place across Europe. If we do not get a national wage agreement, if there is no discipline at all in this situation, obviously the strike situation will worsen from its already unacceptably bad state. The Government should be taking positive action, in the form of the consultations I have mentioned and taking the social partners into their confidence, to achieve the moderate wage agreement necessary for the success of our exports and economy.

The lecturing posture they are adopting will not suffice for this object. There is great need to strengthen the position of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions and I very much regret that the whole area of industrial relations has been shelved by the Government in their establishment of an industrial relations commission. This body will not, I gather, issue any interim reports and we may wait for a very long time for a report, during which period industrial relations will continue in their present bad state without any legislative action being taken. Far from awaiting the report of this commission, a commission set up, it seems to me, as a delaying tactic to avoid the taking of difficult decisions, the Government should now be considering entering into consultation with the Irish Congress of Trade Unions to see what can be done in an overall structural sense to improve the climate of industrial relations.

I believe, too, the international credibility of the Government's economic policy is more important now than it ever was in the history of the State. Hitherto it was possible for Governments to behave in their economic policy with reference only to domestic political considerations. It was possible for them to have election budgets and to have artificial injections of money into the economy at particular times, when it suited them politically, without reference to the economic needs of the country. This will no longer be possible. From now on the international credibility of our Government's economic policy will be of critical importance for two reasons: first of all, because it now looks as if our foreign debt will, as I said, be doubled and, if it is doubled over its present high level as a result of the terms of entry to the EMS, that will mean that the Government's finance will be coming to a far greater extent from abroad and the bankers of the world will have a much closer eye than hitherto on the policies of the Government. The Government will, therefore, have to take account of their views.

Furthermore, if as now seems likely, we are to have an independent currency in the context of the EMS and if we are to stay within the bands of relativity vis-à-vis the central currency in the EMS, again we will have to take account of possible speculation against our currency and so the Government's economic policy will have to be such as will command confidence both on the part of those who are lending the Government money and those who may or may not be in a position to buy and sell our currency in the international exchange markets. The first essential then on the part of any Government for a credible economic policy internationally must be that it be consistent.

I believe the policy of the Government falls on its face in so far as consistency is concerned. There has been no consistency whatsoever in the Government's economic policy. The Government are pursuing a diametrically opposite policy in the latter half of 1978 to that which they pursued during 1977. In 1977 there was money to abolish road tax. In 1978 there is no money to maintain the roads even at a minimum standard of safety. In 1977 there was money to abolish domestic rates regardless of the size of the houses. In 1978 there is not apparently, if the Government's pronouncements and flag waving are to be taken into account, money to maintain food subsidies and, remember, food constitutes a far greater proportion of the budget of the poorest section of the community than it does of the budget of any other section.

Now these are manifestly inconsistent policies. In 1977 there was money for anything. In 1978 there is apparently money for nothing. Can we expect people abroad to have confidence in a Government whose policies are so inconsistent and who seem to be operating what one could describe as a zig-zag economic policy, this way this year and another way next year? I do not believe people abroad can have confidence in such a Government and I believe the Government must mend their ways if we are to achieve international credibility and confidence in Government consistency and belief in the seriousness so essential to the survival of the economy, not only in the EMS but also in the competitive world in which we are now living.

I have so far been concerned with what I regard as the failings of the Government's economic policy with reference to a number of indicators. I now propose to make suggestions which I believe the Government should take into account in an effort to improve its economic policy. The priority for any economic policy must be the creation of employment and that will only be done if, on the one hand, we can produce and sell competitively abroad and, on the other hand, use the capital resources of our economy to maximum efficiency in terms of employment creation. There are a number of areas where action can be taken to improve the situation. I will mention eight areas of action. First of all, I would like to see the Government take action on the private investment trust suggestion made in the Green Paper published by the National Coalition Government. This was a novel idea designed to bring together private and public capital, to bring together what one could describe as a joint enterprise to establish new product ideas. For instance, where the technical expertise might exist in one firm and the capital might exist in another there would be created some means of bringing the two together in a private non-governmental union without undue bureaucratic interference. That idea should be put into effect.

Secondly, we must seek to maximise the use of our existing capital stock by the encouragement of renting of such capital stock. At the moment too much of our capital lies underutilised because of the strict emphasis on owner occupancy. I believe this policy can be achieved in three major areas. First of all, it can be achieved in the encouragement of greater long-term leasing of land. There is room too for such a policy in the area of fishing where boats are invariably skippered by one individual with the result that they stay in port for two out of three days whereas, if there were emphasis on renting, it would be possible to have two skippers and two crews and the boats could stay at sea for a substantially longer period. There is need also for greater encouragement of renting in housing. Much of our housing stock is underutilised because renting terms are unattractive. The Government should take a look at this whole area to see what can be done to achieve its housing objectives by increasing utilisation of our existing housing stock as well as by improving the output of new houses.

There is need also to examine the grant and tax incentive package to industry to see if it puts an undue emphasis on capital intensive industry to the detriment of labour intensive industry, the creation of employment being the optimum objective of Government policy and, if such industry is competitive, is it more desirable than capital intensive industry if it can survive and remain competitive.

Taking on the one hand that grants are given as a proportion of the total cost of investment rather than of the new industrial jobs created by the IDA, on the other hand there are very substantial incentives to industry in the form of relief of income tax for interest payments on debt, and these two combined, to create an incentive to invest in substantial blocks of capital for the creation of new industries rather than the creation of new jobs, involve an artificial element—one cannot put a figure on how high this is—which is partial to the creation of capital intensive rather than labour intensive industries. This area should be examined in a critical fashion by the Government. The overall package of incentives to industry, both grant and tax, should be studied in order to distinguish such an artificial element in incentives and to remove it.

Furthermore, there is a strong case for a much more serious approach to manpower planning in the economy to ensure that we will get the best possible return for investment designed to create employment. There is no point in making substantial investments to create a type of job in which people are not interested and for which there is not sufficient demand, while neglecting other areas of the economy where people are seeking but cannot get employment. We have been pumping in money and hoping that in some magical way it will reach those who need it and create jobs for those who need them. That is not the right approach. Any injection of money into the economy for job creation must be based on a thorough analysis of our available manpower and must be directed towards the employment of that manpower.

Therefore, we need a much more detailed analysis of the live register to find out where the unemployed are, who they are, what skills they have, how available for work they are, and having done that we should draw up an action plan to find jobs for those specific unemployed people. We must think of them as people with skills, people with homes, people living in particular parts of the country, and having identified them as individuals, we must then try to provide jobs for them rather than persisting with the macro-economic policy approach of pumping in money in the hope that by some formula it will reach those who need jobs. Heretofore, under the macro-economic system, a substantial portion of the money given to housing ended up not in new houses but in increased profits for builders without commensurate increases in housing activity.

Our whole educational system needs to be examined from a manpower point of view. There is a need for a central manpower planning unit in the Department of Education to examine the entire output of the educational system at second and third levels to see if our educational system is producing the type of people for the types of jobs that are likely to come into being in our economy. Increasingly, it is Government money more than anything else that is involved in our educational system, and there is no use spending substantial amounts of Government money educating people in skills for which the economy does not have any use, while on the other hand there are many skills in our economy which are scarce.

We therefore need a central manpower planning unit involving not just the Department of Education but also that of Labour so that in so far as State funds are concerned—people are entitled to do what they wish with fees contributed by them for educational purposes—the money will be spent with the primary purpose of having people coming out of our educational system who will be able to find jobs. We must ensure that our job creation and educational programmes will be synchronised. I would describe this as a micro-economic approach and it is the right one at this time. The time for the broad ranging Keynesian approach has gone out the window. We are an open economy and much of the benefit of a Keynesian pump-priming effort in our economy goes abroad because we are so open to trading abroad.

I believe there is a need for reclassification of our capital budget. At the moment, projects which are directly productive and projects in the capital area which are not productive at all are classified together as capital projects. A hierarchy should be established by our capital budget with priority being given to Government capital investment which has a directly productive effect.

In the concluding portion of my contribution I shall now deal with agriculture. I regret that there are five major items in the Government's election manifesto in relation to agriculture which remain unimplemented. I will just mention the items which have not been implemented. First of all, there was a promise to establish a national livestock development programme. Apparently that has not been heard of. Second, there was a promise to establish a grain marketing and information board. It has not been heard of. Third, there was a promise to introduce a potato marketing and development board. It has not been heard of. Fourth, we had a promise to introduce a 3 per cent subsidy on interest rates in an expanded capital development programme. That has not been introduced. Fifth, there was a promise to establish a new body to supplement and co-ordinate the activities of the existing agricultural marketing organisation. This new body has not appeared and there is not a sign that it will.

There are many areas in regard to agricultural policy which need urgent Government attention. First of all, there is significant evidence that our beef herd is declining rapidly and that our capacity to avail of opportunities in the years ahead for sales of beef is being reduced. There has been an increase in our dairy herd but it has been at the expense of our beef herd in which there has not been an overall increase in numbers. There is an urgent need to introduce a scheme along the lines of the in-calf heifer subsidy scheme to give a direct incentive to increase our beef herd numbers.

If we cannot and do not increase our beef herd numbers now the cattle will not be there for export and for the provision of jobs in our meat factories throughout 1979, 1980 and 1981. It appears to me that as well as the increase which is apparently taking place in heifers being put in calf of 7,000 this year, to make up for the losses through cow slaughters we would need to have an increase of 50,000, not 7,000 heifers in-calf this year. The figure given recently by the Minister of State is quite inadequate to compensate for the loss through slaughter. I therefore call on the Government urgently to introduce an in-calf heifer subsidy scheme.

There is great scope for the export of malting barley particularly as we know that there were some exports of malting barley last year to Germany. If the Government had established as promised the grain marketing information board I think that body would or should now be seeking increased markets for malting barley abroad so that we could use the land that is being vacated by the declining numbers in the beef herds—that is another area where action should be taken urgently.

We also need to look at the composition of our sheep flock. There is evidence that the decline in lowland sheep numbers has been such that there is undue concentration in the overall flock on mountain breeds. In so far as the terms of the French lamb agreement are a determinant factor—and they are because much of our lamb is going to France—these mountain breeds alone are not likely, if crossed with one another rather than crossed with a lowland breed, to produce the type of animal that will meet the strict criteria which exist for admission to the French market. I therefore urge a special incentive scheme for the use of these cheviot breeds, for instance, on these mountainsides.

I believe there are great prospects for improvement in meat processing and processing of meat and food in general to a much greater extent than has been the case so far. One of the bottlenecks in the meat industry is the training of sufficiently skilled personnel for this purpose. One of the reasons for the bottleneck is that we have the Department of Agriculture on one hand dealing with the meat industry itself and the Department of Education on the other dealing with the educational institutions such as regional technical colleges. The Government should take action—the Ministers for Agriculture and Education together—to establish a meat industry training scheme to provide the type of skilled personnel necessary if we are to get added value in our meat industry and in other processing industries of the type that will enable us to maximise profit in this country from our important agricultural production.

The last part of my address is concerned with the remarks made by the Taoiseach in regard to Northern Ireland. I agree with the emphasis that has been put on an agreed settlement. I also agree with the emphasis on practical co-operation, but as Deputy Harte pointed out in an interjection during the Taoiseach's address there seems to be little actually happening in terms of co-operation between North and South. There have been proposals, talks and studies but very little, if anything, is actually happening on the ground. I contend that there are two areas where action could be taken immediately. One is in the area of drainage. There is money available from the EEC and we can see how quickly it could be put into use in the west of Ireland under that heading. Money is also available for cross-Border drainage. The Government could be doing much more to drain those river catchments which cover both sides of the Border. I also believe that there is a need for a joint training scheme in agriculture involving young farmers on both sides of the Border which would enable southern students to attend Northern Ireland agricultural colleges and northern students to attend southern agricultural colleges. Such a scheme could be introduced very quickly if the Government had the will to do it.

I should like to refer to one sentence in the Taoiseach's speech which I think requires to be clarified. He said:

There is no place in our plans for unity by force or for any instantly imposed solution.

If the Taoiseach does not envisage any instantly imposed solutions does he envisage a solution imposed in some way other than instantly? The fact that the idea of an imposed solution had to be qualified by using the adverb "instantly" is to my mind an equivocation on the Taoiseach's part in respect of an important matter. The Taoiseach should clarify his position in that regard. He should make it clear that he does not intend to use coercion in relation to a solution for Northern Ireland either instantly or otherwise. The fact that he thought it necessary to insert that adverb is to my mind a matter of concern which should not be so left for long and which should be clarified.

I should like to refer to two matters in the Taoiseach's speech. The Taoiseach began his speech in a very crowing way about the Government's performance in regard to job creation. The whole matter of unemployment and the large numbers who are unemployed has become, as far as the Government are concerned, a matter more of distorting the reality of unemployment than of any genuine progressive plan to end unemployment. I shall give two illustrations of what I mean. We hear the Government at all times talking about job creation. The use of that phrase is not accidental; it is meant to distort, to present a picture that is not accurate. It is meant to confuse the people in regard to the Government's performance in putting people into employment and reducing the live register of unemployed, which they are committed to do according to their manifesto.

Here are two illustrations: in June 1977 the figure on the live register was approximately 108,000; it stands today at approximately 98,000 and in the meantime in excess of 14,000 people have emigrated. That is one illustration of the Government's failure in regard to employment and their commitment in regard to it.

The other illustration is the use by the Government and its spokesmen of the term "jobs created". That bubble was burst by Deputy Horgan in a question to the Minister responsible regarding the number of jobs created in State and semi-State bodies and the number of jobs filled—two different and distinct things. I cannot remember the precise date but the answer given early in November was to the effect that of the jobs the Government claimed had been created less than two thirds had actually been filled. So, it is farcical for the Taoiseach to say, as he said in his opening remarks, that the Government have been successful in regard to their commitment to reduce the live register and put more people to work.

I should also like to refer to the Taoiseach's concern about my statement regarding the danger to the operation of the common agricultural policy. It is a danger that has been made even more of a possibility by the Government's mishandling of the EMS negotiations. We all know that the Taoiseach himself stated in this House that he was aware—and we have read it in the paper and we have seen Mr. Callaghan in person on television talking about it—of the extreme dislike of the British Government for the operation of the common agricultural policy within the European Community. They have in the past endeavoured to change the nature of that policy. The Taoiseach this morning tried to imply that my own party, through its associations in Europe, are trying to change the operation of the common agricultural policy. I state categorically that that is untrue. The one representative that the Taoiseach left us in the European Parliament, Deputy Liam Kavanagh, has not only himself voted consistently to maintain the present operation of the common agricultural policy but, because of his contacts and membership of the largest and most influential political groupings in the European Parliament, has also been able to persuade other members of those groupings who may otherwise not have done so to support that point of view.

What we have been critical of and what we will continue to be critical of is the way that this Government at national level refuse to redistribute to any degree the considerable monetary benefit that this country receives through the present operation of CAP. That we will continue to be critical of.

It is only fair, since the Taoiseach raised this question, to comment on this. The Taoiseach, on behalf of this country, was in Europe seeking, through various mechanisms within the EEC, a transfer of resources from the richer parts of the Community to the poorer parts of which Ireland is one. He was seeking a redistribution of the wealth within the Community. Contrast that and his endeavours to achieve that in the context of the Community with his performance as Taoiseach and his Government's performance with regard to the redistribution of wealth within our own national community. The Heads of Government of the member states in Europe know precisely what the attitude of the Taoiseach and that of his Government is with regard to the redistribution of wealth within our national community. They know and I believe act accordingly, that the Taoiseach cannot speak with any moral authority in Europe when he is seeking a transfer of resources from the richer to the poorer sections because one cannot practise one policy at home and, with any authority, at European level ask them for the operation of a policy contrary to the one which one is operating oneself. There is no doubt—and it has been stated clearly in publications by totally objective sources—that there has been an increase in the gap between the richer and the poorer sections within our national community since the Fianna Fáil Government came into power.

When the Taoiseach was talking about the common agricultural policy, as is his wont he used words that he could not be nailed to in some future reference, but he clearly tried to imply that they were defending the operation of the common agricultural policy and it was in no danger, that they had sorted all that out at the summit. That is what the Taoiseach tried to imply irrespective of what his exact words were. There are two things that further add to my disquiet about the undermining of the operation of CAP as a result of the present mishandling and incompetence of the Government in the EMS negotiations. My belief is reinforced by two things. One is that in the Taoiseach's speech this morning at page 9 where he states—and it is a clear indication of what is to come because this is the way Fianna Fáil operate:

It has to be realised that farm increases of the magnitude of recent years will not be available in the future.

That is a little throw-away line at the end of page 9 of the Taoiseach's speech, but it is very useful for future reference; he can refer to it. But the Taoiseach did not tell us about the statement of Mr. Roy Jenkins, the President of the Commission, on the very night of the miserable failure at the summit meeting of 4 and 5 December. On the very night on which that meeting broke up creating a disastrous situation for Ireland Mr. Roy Jenkins, who not only is the President of the Commission, but is also a former Chancellor of the Exchequer of the United Kingdom, said that at the very least farm prices in the coming year would have to be frozen and that the Commission would be putting forward the proposals for a review of the operation of the common agricultural policy. I believe that the Taoiseach and the negotiating team has helped very considerably in the furtherance of Mr. James Callaghan's ambition to have a total review of the common agricultural policy, and there will be tremendous efforts made by this Government to ensure that if the inevitable has to happen it will not happen before 7 June of the coming year because that would affect their electoral chances on two fronts, both in local elections and in European elections. There is no doubt that Mr. Callaghan's ambition in that direction has been strengthened very considerably by the mishandling and the incompetence of this Government in the EMS negotiations.

Normally on an adjournment debate one would go through the various Departments and analyse possibly in some detail their operations. I do not intend to go through the various Departments in any great detail but I will try to illustrate what I believe to be the truth. I believe that Fianna Fáil are two things. They are, by their policy, by their philosophy and by their implementation of their policy—particularly since June 1977—a Tory Party; they can be accurately described as the Irish Tory Party. Not only are they a Tory party but they are an incompetent Tory party at that. They are both; they are both Tory and they are incompetent. Their incompetence is not confined to the EMS negotiations. That is just the issue that got the most publicity, was the most glaring and the most visible to the ordinary man or woman in the street.

There are other areas where that incompetence is equally obvious if one looks for it. We have only to look at what has happened to the Family Planning Bill. We know that there can be difficulties within the Cabinet and the Fianna Fáil Party that may be delaying its publication. It is very strange that over two years ago in this House and in the other House we were told by Fianna Fáil leading spokesmen, people who are now members of the Cabinet, that they had a Family Planning Bill ready and when they came into office they would implement it. Now, we cannot even get the Bill circulated to Members of the Dáil. I cannot understand how a Senator who is now a Minister could say that Fianna Fáil had this Bill ready and they knew precisely what they were going to do with regard to this particular problem in our society but 18 months after coming into office the Bill has not yet seen the light of day. This is one aspect of their incompetence.

Yesterday we had the Minister for Justice announcing that we would have a referendum on the position of adoptive parents. This party have been advocating that for a long time. That announcement was made by the Minister on behalf of Fianna Fáil 14 months after the Taoiseach had described the situation in relation to the validity of adoption orders as a matter of urgency. God help the country if that is how they interpret urgency. We have still pending the publication of the White Paper on the economy. We were assured by Fianna Fáil that it would be available in early autumn.

We are now engaged on the adjournment debate and we will be entering into a budget debate in the near future. We have had a series of discussions and announcements of the EMS. The production of a White Paper would have been a very valuable input, even if it was inadequate, in discussions on the economy. Where is it? It has not emerged yet. This is a further indication of the incompetence of the Government. It may be that due to the Exchequer crisis which is now facing the Government, and the very uncomplimentary reception that the Green Paper got from nearly all sections, that we have not had a White Paper. It was promised, like the other things that were promised, and the Government have not got around to producing it. There are ample illustrations, if one looks for them, of their incompetence.

We also have the old Fianna Fáil ploy in which things have to be confused. If things are going bad you must make sure that you muddy the water, try to confuse the electorate, have them wondering who is saying the right thing and if you get enough Ministers saying conflicting things the people will not know who is saying the right thing. This is a very successful pioy if one does not take serious matters too seriously, which they apparently do not.

We have the question of job creation in which the Taoiseach and the Minister for Economic Planning and Development—the Taoiseach told us this again this morning—have been telling us how successful their employment policy has been. The Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy, wherever he is hiding himself, emerged six weeks ago at some dinner and he at least came out openly and said that as far as the youth employment programme was concerned it was a total failure. This is a senior Minister in the Fianna Fáil Government who made this statement at a public function. The Taoiseach came in this morning and tried to convince us otherwise. The Minister also said at that same gathering that the job targets of the Government would not be reached. He has been very right on both counts, because the youth employment programme has been a total failure and there is no doubt that as far as the unemployed people in the country are concerned the Fianna Fáil strategy of relying almost exclusively on private enterprise to provide jobs after giving massive handouts to do this, has also proved to be a complete failure.

When one subtracts 98,000 from 108,000, which was the unemployment figure on the live rigister in June 1977, one gets a figure of 10,000. This would appear to be an improvement with 10,000 more people in employment, but one has to take into account that over 14,000 people have left the country since, so the question of jobs is not a very happy one.

We could go on in great detail about various aspects of Government policy, but I said at the beginning that I only wanted to prove two things. I wanted to prove that Fianna Fáil are Tory, that they are pursuing Tory policies and they are not even doing it in a competent manner. I would like to prove what I am saying because it is not a political charge. I ask the House and the people of the country to answer this question. What does this add up to? Abolition of wealth tax in a society which has approximately 25 per cent of the population living in the poverty area, an adjustment in capital gains tax, a cut-back in local authority housing and spending in general, a proposal to remove food subsidies, a proposal to tax children's allowances and a proposal contained in the Green Paper to cut back on education—one could go on and on but it all adds up to the same thing. The similarity between the policies that are being implemented by Fianna Fáil and the proposals that are being put forward by the British Tory Party are there for all to see.

Fianna Fáil are hiding behind the name of which the literal translation would appear to be the soldiers of destiny but I am glad that, despite the repercussions of their policies, it is beginning to become crystal clear just what Fianna Fáil stand for. Unfortunately, there has not been any natural political development in this country. This has been due to a number of factors but that situation must come to an end with the realisation on the part of the electorate that there are two types of parties in politics. There is the type represented by the policies pursued by Fianna Fáil, policies that will help the exploiter, while there are socialist policies such as are advocated by this party and which will seek to help and protect the exploited. The division is very sharp but hopefully it will become clearer to the people as to how important it is for them and for their future development and quality of life, that the distinction is made. By definition capitalist parties protect and further the profit-making interests of capitalists. The capitalist system is built on and fed by profits, sometimes exorbitant profits. The kind of legislation that we have had from Fianna Fáil since June 1977 has been of a kind that is orientated totally towards the wealthy and influential sections of the community at the expense of both the lower-and the middle-income groups.

In his speech the Taoiseach told us that we must start now to think in terms of continental levels of price increases of 2 or 3 per cent per year and of continental levels of development and prosperity. We are a European country but we must realise that the level of development and prosperity in some of the other EEC countries has not been achieved by accident. Some of our European partners are small countries, not unlike our own and, like us, are dependent mainly on agriculture. So far as social and economic issues are concerned their development can be attributed to some extent to their geographical location on the continent but we must remember too that they have been through the Second World War and have known extended periods of occupation. However, their levels of development and prosperity and their levels of social services right across the board are due in large measure to their having either socialist governments or large influential socialist parties. That is what accounts for the level of development to which the Taoiseach aspires for this country. But it is a level of development that can never be achieved by the Irish people so long as they continue to support capitalist parties. The only way that the continental type of development can be achieved is by the utilisation of our resources, not for the benefit of some individual or group of individuals but for the welfare of the majority of the people. If the Irish people realise that at the ballot box they vote against their own interests when they vote for a capitalist government, we can have some hope for the future.

Tomorrow this House adjourns for the Christmas recess. The coming season is one of festivity, especially for children. We are not a poor nation in the context of the nations of the world but yet 25 per cent of our population are living in poverty. This represents about 750,000 citizens in this Christian society of whom at least 300,000 are children. The situation may not appear to be dramatic because we do not see on television, for instance, pictures of children with swollen bellies. In other words, these children are not starving but they are hungry, some of them hungry perpetually. They are badly clothed, poorly educated and live in bad housing conditions. There is no future for them in the society we have built. Some of the reaction that we get by way of vandalism, some of the acts that inspired the Government to establish Loughan House has been due to a realisation on the part of these children that they are born into poverty, that they are condemned to a life of poverty and that they are eliminated from the society we have created. But there is an alternative to that type of society and we can create this alternative from our own resources. In this way we can create a more just, a more equitable and a more caring society but this can be done only by a political party who are prepared to pursue socialist policies that will bring about an equitable redistribution of our existing wealth and will result in the development of our resources in the interests of all our people.

I welcome the Taoiseach's speech this morning on the adjournment and I note the tremendous progress made in the course of the year in the development of our economy and in the fight against unemployment. It is difficult to tie in Deputy Cluskey's figures of 108,000 on the live register in June 1977 and 98,000 for December 1978. Of course he knows very well he is not comparing like with like. No one being reasonable about the situation would compare a June figure with a December figure. However, it is hardly necessary to go very far in refuting his allegations because the Taoiseach at the beginning of his speech has made clear the development which has taken place in employment, and the people are very well aware of it. The overall net increase in employment is expected to be 77,000, the largest year on year increase in the last 30 years. This is probably the most relevant and realistic figure that any of us can have regard to and it is 1.7 times the highest previous recorded net increase of any earlier year. It is not necessary to go much further into that because statistics in the numbers of school leavers who have come on to the market since June 1977 would alone provide material for a debate. I noticed that Deputy Cluskey in mentioning the figures for 1977 chose a period just before very large numbers of new students came on to the market. However, this aspect has been well covered early in the Taoiseach's speech.

Deputy Cluskey tried to tie the Fianna Fáil Party in with the British Tory Party and to suggest that, because the British Tory Party are now proposing some policies which are similar to Fianna Fáil policies, Fianna Fáil are a Tory party. Both the Tory Party and the Labour Party in England have in recent times been copying policies introduced by Fianna Fáil in the election period which are aimed at increasing and stimulating the economy and at reaching the levels of growth and increase in employment which we have been seeking. It is only natural that not only these parties but various others around Europe and elsewhere have a very considerable interest in the strategies and policies which have been adopted in Ireland to reactivate our economy and to get the country moving again: However, I do not intend to become unduly involved in these at this stage. In my contribution I hope to deal with our relations with the European Economic Community, with some housing matters, and finally with a matter pertaining to education.

Concerning the EEC, three major areas arise. One of these is the EMS which has been debated at great length in recent days. The second is the direct elections to the European Parliament, and the third is the question of the enlargement of the EEC. All of these three are inter-related in the overall concept of the development of Europe in this respect. Whether one is for or against the EMS is an important indicator of commitment to the future development of Europe. We are committed to the development of Europe and we have been quite clear-cut in our approach in that respect. This is something in the debate on the EMS that people have not really referred to very much, but it is very important that enlargement would proceed at a reasonable pace. In this respect it is related particularly to Greece and also to Spain and Portugal. It is particularly important that the steps which they have taken in recent years to meet the requirements of the EEC and to join and become members in the fullest possible way are not frustrated by any of the developments or actions of member states at this time. We have seen how Greece has reintroduced democratic régimes and Spain has introduced a full democratic constitution. All have taken a whole variety of other steps which were necessary towards joining and full membership of the EEC. We must realise fully the importance to these countries of coming into the EEC with the appropriate transitional arrangements, and we should not at this stage allow these aspirations to be frustrated. Frustration of their aspirations could have a major effect on those countries and on the development relating to Europe in the Mediterranean region generally.

We have spoken about the EMS and a two-speed Europe. It is important in relation to the development of the EEC that we do not get into a three-speed situation. We would hope that the present members will advance further towards unity in that area. I believe the Taoiseach and the Government have given the right leadership and taken the correct initiative in relation to the EMS, and we must follow through on this development. It is clear that no very major concessions have been given in this respect, and therefore, in contrast to Deputy Cluskey's view, I see no need to give concessions on a common agricultural policy, nor do I expect that the other member states will see any need to do that. A common agricultural policy has been one of the most successful aspects of the Community's development, and it has redistributed a considerable amount of wealth to the poorer regions within the Community. This is an aspect which people are inclined to overlook.

We must consider what the EMS is all about. It is about monetary stability through closer monetary co-operation, and it is in the interests of all the member states, including Ireland. Monetary stability is vital to the interests of the Irish people. It is about such ordinary things as prices, inflation, the value of the £ and the number of occasions on which it may be devalued and the extent to which it may be devalued. It is about interest rates, whether they relate to houses or to economic development; it is about exports, and in our experience since we joined the EEC we have had a substantial swing of our exports to the Continent. It is about very practical things which could be elaborated on on another occasion. It is also about investment, as the Taoiseach said in his speech yesterday, and about our ability to attract long-term capital into this country. In recent times we have been particularly successful in this respect, but if we wish to go on attracting capital we will have to have that kind of monetary stability which will attract capital to set up here and assist in the development of our country.

Monetary stability also relates to the long-term capital purchases from the Continent. As any one who has been purchasing from the Continent will know, one does not like to find oneself paying virtually twice for a commodity because of the devaluation of the £ in between purchase and payment. This has been the experience of quite a number of Irish industrialists and even people in agriculture. On adopting a loan on the basis of, say, the Deutsche Mark or Dutch currency and paying back, because of devaluations in the £ one has to pay back very much more than one originally intended. This can be a very strong disincentive to long-term capital purchases from the Continent. This is an aspect which I would like to see overcome.

Monetary stability is related to growth, job creation and the whole question of wealth and real income. Of course we may ask ourselves, and the ordinary person looking at this whole question of the EMS will ask why the Government adopted such a direct, straightforward and honest approach to our Community partners. The reason they did was that we are generous and committed Europeans and are recognised as such within Europe. Our approach and stance were totally vindicated by the EEC experts who supported the transfer calculations made. Additionally, as a country, we support the closer integration and development of the European Community.

I felt it would be desirable to look beyond these figures and investigate what the EMS and developments in Europe generally mean in terms of money in the pocket so far as the man in the street is concerned. I rooted out some figures to ascertain the gross domestic product for each worker employed. I wanted to ascertain the picture in 1972 before we joined the EEC and again in 1977, after that five-year period. I wanted to ascertain what was the situation for a large country like Britain and that of the new members. On the other hand I felt it would be desirable also to look at the position of Germany and the Netherlands. We are inclined to foget that the Netherlands is a very small country within Europe, that it is in size only like Munster whereas, West Germany, on the other hand, is a very large one.

Perhaps we may look at actual dollars in the pocket. Of course this involves using current rates of exchange to change incomes into dollars in the pocket but it is a reasonable comparison to make. If we examine our position in 1972 we find that the average gross domestic product for each worker employed was $5,073. In the United Kingdom it was $6,323. Therefore, on our entry to the EEC, the United Kingdom were somewhat ahead of us. By 1977 we had risen to $8,762 whereas the United Kingdom average then was $10,000, meaning a 73 per cent increase for us and 58 per cent for the United Kingdom. We are fairly well aware of this rate of speed of increase. We are aware also that the United Kingdom started off in a somewhat better position. The increase per head over the five-year period in terms of dollars in the pocket, emerges as $3,689 in our case and in that of the United Kingdom $3,697. We might say to ourselves that this is a reasonably satisfactory position, a fair increase in percentage terms. I accept that we are dealing with averages at this point but it must be acknowledged to be a fair increase in percentage terms and in terms also of extra dollars in the pocket. We can take the mean of these two figures and ascertain what is the average for Ireland and the United Kingdom.

Turning to look at West Germany, initially we find that their figure was $9,729 which increased, in 1977, to $20,000, giving them a 112 per cent increase or, in terms of extra dollars in the pocket, $10,800. The Netherlands commenced at a figure of $10,000 going up to a figure of $23,000, at 134 per cent increase, leaving them with $13,000 extra in the pocket. Therefore, taking the average of Ireland-England against that of West Germany and the Netherlands, at the end of that period, we find that the Irish-English average person employed, had on gross domestic product, $3,693 whereas, taking Western Germany and Holland into account the mean figure showed an additional $12,135. When we examine these figures in a fairly simple way we begin to see the problem of the two speeds. Of course, there are two elements involved in this, that of productivity and of the exchange rate, both of which have had an effect on the kind of increase that has taken place.

In terms of ratios it means that West Germany versus Ireland increased at a rate of 1.92:1 and, in the case of the Netherlands versus Ireland, 1.97:1. In 1972 the ratio was 1.92:1 and, in 1977 the position of West Germany versus Ireland had increased to 2.35:1, the Netherlands versus Ireland having increased to 2.67:1. Therefore, the overall increase between West Germany and Ireland was $7,161 extra in the pocket whereas the Netherlands versus Ireland was $9,730. Examining this increase as between West Germany and Ireland one finds that 57 per cent was due to currency fluctuations, that is, taking the middle point of exchange rates for 1972 and 1977 and comparing them. These figures in themselves reflect the economic strength and growth.

There are a number of lessons to be learned from those sets of figures. Firstly, they show that a small country, the Netherlands, by being self-reliant, by having high levels of productivity and by going out and selling in the context of Europe, did particularly well and, on average, can actually do better than the very wealthy West Germany. Of course they illustrate also that there are two speeds here. Having gone through the total transitional period following entry to the EEC, if we want to break loose of this two-speed problem we must look not only to productivity, which is vital here, but also to the question of currency fluctuations. It is in that respect that the whole question of the EMS and its importance arises for us.

Over the period to which I have been referring West Germany increased their currency by 34 per cent, the Netherlands by 29 per cent, whereas the £ sterling was reduced by 23 per cent. I have taken these figures from the United Nations monthly bulletin of statistics for October 1978. This establishes fairly clearly what we are seeking here, extra income and extra wealth per worker employed. Clearly both elements are of great importance in that quest.

The Taoiseach has been questioned by the Opposition on his approach to the EMS. To any one looking objectively at the situation it must be clear that the main problem was the inability of some member states to deliver themselves because of the domestic situations with which they were faced.

Deputy Cluskey referred to Britain and the common agricultural policy, and the various views of Britain in relation to this. Of course Britain is the country affecting us most. We are well aware of the fact that there is a general election pending there in the near future. We are well aware of the fact also—I do not think anybody has made any secret of it—that Britain has been openly seeking a revision of the common agricultural policy. I do not really see much prospect for them in that objective. Having succeeded in keeping the exchange rate for the £ sterling stable for over a year, with help from North Sea oil and gas, which contributes something of the order of £3,000 million to the balance of payments at this stage, Britain feel quite confident that they can continue to maintain the £ sterling stable for a further period and do not want to risk joining the EMS until after their general election. Britain feels quite confident that she can continue to keep it stable for some further period and she obviously does not want to risk joining the EMS until after the election. For that reason she was prepared to go through all the stages of preparing for the summit. She would not stand in Ireland's way. Yet her negotiators went to Brussels saying they would keep in line but they wanted the credits and the resource transfers. They wanted an enlargement of the regional fund and they wanted the CAP revised.

It reminds me very much of the EEC producer groups where, in order to get the benefit of intervention and certain grants, one had to sign a market agreement. It is quite common to find people saying they would like to go along and adopt the marketing disciplines but they do not want to sign an agreement. If, of course, one does not sign an agreement one does not have the benefit of intervention or of grants. It is as simple as that. Where Britain was concerned the position was similar. There was no way in which the package could be obtained. It just was not on from the beginning and I think the negotiators knew it was not on, but they used it as a delaying device until timing might be more favourable from Britain's point of view for a convergence of European currencies.

In relation to the EMS, a great deal more is involved than exchange rates or our agreeing to becoming involved. If we are within a reasonably stable currency area then the future will depend very much on ourselves and our own productivity. In terms of providing jobs and greater wealth for all the future will depend on how we perform, not on how the British, the Italians or the Dutch perform. I believe the majority of our people would like to be judged on our own performance. Management and workers have over the years shown at various levels that they like to get credit for performance instead of having it said that success is due to something outside ourselves and has nothing really to do with us. If our future depends clearly on ourselves and we are not tied to external influences, as we have been to the £ sterling, then we will have to face up to reality in whatever capacity we find ourselves. We will have to face the fact that our future depends on a reasonably stable overall economic climate for future growth and development and they in turn depend on ourselves. I believe the EMS will provide this stability. The initial resource transfers would be right and reasonable. They would give us the right foundation from which to take off. I quoted figures in regard to Germany, Holland and Ireland and the development that has taken place in the five years of transition in regard to our entry into the EEC, and the one fact that stands out is the fact that we started from a lower base because we had less developed resources. Our roads are not developed. Our infrastructural facilities and needs are not so well catered for.

Now Britain sought very extensive investment. Britain has the foundation on which to build. Our seeking some initial transfer resources was for the purpose of giving us an opportunity to take off from our present level without undue delay in building up a proper infrastructure. I believe involvement in the EMS would provide us with the proper economic stability, and the initial resources would be very valuable in terms of our take-off position. Of course, we must also have a national sense of direction and social balance. I am tired of listening to people saying this will not be the evolution and that we cannot do it. I am tired of listening to people trying to find reasons why we will not succeed instead of making constructive proposals as to how we might do better. Such proposals from both sides of the House would be very welcome, and if Opposition Deputies have any such proposals, they should voice them here publicly and they will be given full credit for them. We all recognise that our people are highly intelligent in terms of electoral preferences and we give them full credit for the work they do in that respect.

I would like to see a national sense of direction and social balance. We all want people to have better incomes. If we are to achieve this we must have greater productivity. We must look at our management and labour relations. We must look at our semi-State bodies, some of which are making great progress indeed in management and labour relations. The B & I have a particularly good record in this respect. Bord Bainne have introduced flexi-time with considerable success. We have to revise our approach and do things in a co-operative way in order to bring about the development to which we all aspire.

I would also like to see a closer identity between the State, semi-State and private sectors. Here I disagree with Deputy Cluskey. He seemed to believe that most of the development and improvement on the Continent stemmed from the fact that where that has taken place there are socialist governments and socialist political parties. The Taoiseach said yesterday that we must start now in terms of continental levels of price increases of 2 to 3 per cent a year and continental levels of prosperity. I agree with that. I am very familiar with the Dutch situation because of a business in which I was involved. I am very familiar with the way in which the Dutch approach business. It is very different from the approach here. It has not as much to do, as Deputy Cluskey would seem to think, with the fact that there is a socialist government or a socialist party. There is instead a very close sense of identity between State, semi-State and private business. Here there is a close identity between State and semi-State. It works quite well, but a close identity between private business and the State is something we have to evolve. We must view the function and the role of private business in close liaison with the public sector in the broadest sense. That is a concept well established on the Continent. One of the secrets of their success there is that they have a very close understanding and working relationship between private industry and State and semi-State services.

The other feature is that there is very strong and frequent mobility between these sectors, which is something we could learn from. I should like to see this type of closer understanding extending not only to semi-State bodies but to private business because it would be in the overall national interest. I would include in this also the unions, working closely with State and private business and semi-State bodies, because ultimately we are all in this together and it is time we learned to work together to avail of the opportunities presented now that we are full members of the EEC and which will be presented if we operate within the EMS. This will give us considerably expanded opportunities in all our sectors.

The EEC is being enlarged and if there are not any delays in the present target date further opportunities will be available for our industrial and some of our agricultural products, and we should be taking appropriate steps now to ensure that we will be able to avail of these further markets.

The second point I shall deal with relates to housing and to the environment in general. There are many things one could say on housing but it is difficult to talk on the subject in the relatively short time at our disposal. If one wishes to deal with a number of items one must select on priorities, and one of the key priorities is the supply of houses and the money for houses. There are three items which at this stage I should like to see the Minister giving attention to when he comes to consider his 1979 Budget. The first is the SDA loan scheme on which the £3,500 basic applies. I suggest that this needs revision. If overtime were excluded from the calculation of this figure it would extend the £3,500 to cater for quite a number of people. I hope the Minister will have a look at it again. I am aware that he increased the qualifying level and the income level and the size of the loan itself on two occasions but I believe that there is need for a further revision at the end of this year.

I should also like to suggest to the Minister an improvement in the low-rise mortgage system. It is a very valuable scheme which could be used more extensively and I should like to see the Minister considering an extension of the concept because in practice quite a number of people are in a position to avail of that scheme and I should like to see it extended to cover a greater number of those seeking houses.

The third point I should like to ask the Minister to look at, particularly at the beginning of the year, is the question of stabilising the interest charges of building societies. We have had a period of great stability, but being tied to the British £ we will be faced with a considerable increase in this area. Therefore, I should like to see introduced a means of stabilising these interest charges. I congratulate the Minister on the work he has been doing in this area and the success he has been achieving. Some of the suggestions made in previous adjournment debates were subsequently taken up by the Minister and I hope he will give attention to the points made today in the near future.

I am concerned to some extent about the conditions of employment of wardens in the centres for elderly people around the city. The system has grown up from small beginnings and I should be obliged if the Minister would look at the conditions of employment and the wages of these wardens. They are a small group who do tremendous work throughout the city and totally the scheme has been a success.

My final point relates to education. There are many items in this respect which one could deal with but time allows me to discuss only one or two points. The one which causes me greatest concern and which I have chosen to speak about is the standard of entry to universities and third level institutions. I am particularly concerned about the level of entry and this is a very broad subject which would take a great deal of time. I do not like the points system and the requirement that students must speak to a computer located in Galway. I have seen it at work and it is almost unbelievable. Students do not speak to anybody other than the computer in Galway, their answers go to and fro and in practice it is a frightening situation. I realise it is necessary because of the large number of students involved. I am concerned about the matter of vocations and this is not taken into consideration in many aspects at this stage.

In the requirement for 1978 we find that the points required for entry are as follows: medicine and veterinary science, 25; dentistry and pharmacy, 24; architecture, 23; law, 22; and engineering, 21. All these are very high levels and I do not think one would have to go far to find that in many of these areas there are people practising below these points. If you exclude mathematics, which in 1978 was +2 points, you will find that for six As the points are 30, which is 85 per cent. Six Bs yield 24 points; six Cs produce 18 points; and six Ds produce 12 points. If you get 24 or 25 points for medicine and veterinary science it is an extremely high level, and if you compare them with the marks related to other subjects there is inconsistency as between A, B, C and D. It is far too great. I do not believe it is in any way objective or fair. I could elucidate on it but I have not got the time. What I would propose instead of the present system is that within the As there should be A1, A2 and A3; that within the Bs there should be B1, B2 and B3, in the Cs there should be C1, C2 and C3; and within the Ds there should be D1, D2 and D3. I also suggest that the points should be extended from 12 points down to one and that for 95 to 100 you would get A1, for 90 to 95 you would get A2 and for 85 to 90 you would get A3. This prevents a huge drop in points once you get under 85.

On the other system as it stands at the moment, if you get 84 marks instead of 85 in six subjects you drop six overall points, which is far too great a drop for one or two points difference. It does not make sense. If the marks and the points mean anything the only way you could reasonably handle the matter is either to use the marks themselves initially, which in some ways would be the fairest method, or if you want to have categories, they must be smaller, I believe. Certainly, I would like to see them changed so as to have within the As an A1, A2 and A3 and similarly within the Bs and Cs and so on. On this basis you would have points reducing for each five marks lower by 8 per cent. It is an 8 per cent reduction all the way instead of some huge drop in percentage when you take the other system as it now operates.

I say this as something which I believe could simply and positively be done at this stage. In regard to the whole points system, it is a very unfair aspect of it to have this great drop. It seems a lazy sort of system. I do not understand who put it together in that way in the first instance or why they did so. I certainly recommend to the Minister that he should have a good look at this system. I accept that the wider matter of the points system is a much broader question and would require much wider debate and discussion. I accept that because of objectivity the points system has been installed. I greatly regret the fact that practical experience, proficiency, vocation are not catered for within that system. At this stage I cannot offer a solution for that, but certainly within the points system there could be much fairer distribution of the points and I suggest it could be along the lines of A1, A2, A3 and B1, B2, B3.

In conclusion, I believe the Taoiseach has given us a very comprehensive report which has been very factual and valuable at the end of this session and this year. I welcome the report and fully support the statements and approach in that report and the actions of the Government during the year particularly as regards their very sensible, reliable, honest and forthright approach to the EMS.

I am happy to have an opportunity to speak in the Adjournment Debate. It gives one a chance to see what has happened and what may happen. Certainly, by way of legislation very little has happened here this session. The pot apparently is just kept boiling. Nothing imaginative has come before us. From the utterances of the Government in the past few months it would appear that what we may look for in the coming year is a cut-back in local authority housing, which is very serious, and the removal of food subsidies, which are very beneficial. Their removal would mean without doubt that there would be definite hardship, poverty and hunger. Many basic foods such as bread and butter will be placed beyond reach of a large number of people. We hear the threat of the possibility of wage restraint, wage sanctions. This has been a trend in past months in the speeches of various Ministers.

Coupled with that, we had one piece of legislation which further downgraded local government. Whatever little authority local councils have, even if basically they were only rubber stamping the rate each year, at least they had the privilege of doing that. This is now being removed. And it is being removed, not to take some of the responsibility from the shoulders of the councillors in asking them to strike a rate but solely because of a cutback that is coming in local authority expenditure in the New Year. Responsible councillors when estimating their needs for the next year will naturally decline to cheesepare year after year and see their own area being run down. They will do what every natural person would do—refuse to strike a rate.

To avoid the embarrassment of having to eliminate the various local authorities for failing to strike a rate the Government have decided to remove that onerous task from them. That is sad when we should be considering how we could improve the whole structure of local government, give it more authority and expand it in every way. But, a Government with a very strong majority here can use its muscle. That is basically what we are talking about, muscle to usurp the right of local government. It is a sad day for this country when such legislation is put through this House. It was contained in a Bill removing rates from domestic dwellings and that made it very palatable, easier to sell. In years to come this legislation will have grave consequences for local democracy. Unless something is done quickly I believe it sounds the death knell of local government as we know it. This is the result of giving too much power to any Government. This is the type of legislation that emanates from such a government. They become lazy, indifferent and insensitive to the people's point of view, but if they do, they do so at their peril.

The construction industry is doing very well. Everything is going nicely. Employment is up. Listening to the speech one would wonder why we have so many problems today. From the first few pages of the speech one would think that literally everything in the garden was rosy. Let us look at the garden that is rosy and see if it is not indeed becoming a rather weedy garden as a result of indifferent Government. We have near enough to 12,000 people on the waiting list in Dublin Corporation but the Minister stands up and says that we have now got to grips with the housing problem of Dublin so it will not be treated as a special case. That just shows how far removed that Minister is from the very facts that exist in this city.

I wonder why the Taoiseach tells us that he is setting up an inter-departmental committee to look at the inner city of Dublin? That is nice: we will probably get another glossy report about the problems we have and then it will be laid to rest on some shelf or other like a lot more glossy reports. What we want here is a little action and a little honesty on the whole question of local authority housing. I speak from the point of view of my own local authority area in Dublin where people are living in hovels, in basements which have been flooded and in rat-infested rooms. This is not emotive talk. These are facts and can be checked out. But what are we told? We are told it is not a special area any longer because we have come to grips with the housing problem.

The Coalition Government when they came in saw the great need to try to revitalise Dublin particularly by way of inner city housing and they went about it swiftly. The Minister of the day, Deputy Tully, appointed to Dublin City Council and Dún Laoghaire Borough a housing co-ordinator because he knew that Dublin city was a problem and right away, with particular emphasis on inner city development, that has gone ahead. There are positive housing developments now going on in the inner city of Dublin. It is costly per unit in comparison to other houses but in relation to the need, in relation to the overall development of our city, how expensive are they? How expensive are they in relation to the infrastructure which already exists there, for example, schools, churches, roads? When we put all that together what are the costs then? But the small-minded officials seem to do a sum and say that is the cost of a house and leave it at that. They say they do not think that is good value and that they are better off building one and a half or two houses at the same price out at the far corners of County Dublin at the risk of letting Dublin decay further.

It behoves this Government to think before they make their allocation for Dublin city, to think again, to ensure that sufficient funds are made available to eradicate the poverty and the bad housing. Only a couple of months ago a particular area in Dublin was scheduled to be knocked down. Is this coming to grips with the problem when we still have other areas that could be treated in a like manner and when we still have 7,000 people on our housing list? Surely we are living in cloud cuckoo land if we think we have eradicated any real problems. If we remove or reduce our capital allocation it is going to mean tremendous hardship for an awful lot of people. Even if they want to provide a home for themselves what is the story here? Unless they have money on deposit for two years and have possibly £2,000 invested the building societies do not want to know them. If they go to the local authority the maximum loan is £9,000 and when one considers the price of a house today one is talking about £14,000 at least, if a house can be got for £14,000, so we are talking about a deposit of £5,000; if a person is earning over £3,500 per annum he is told that the local authority is not in the business of financing him and he will have to go elsewhere. But he has looked elsewhere and he cannot get a loan, so what is he to do? He is thrown back onto the housing list. The Government cannot have it both ways. They cannot reduce the capital allocation because the housing problem is not as bad as it was and at the same time refuse to give adequate facilities for people to provide their own homes. This the Government is not doing.

One way the Government could help is by making low rise mortgages available. That was something that was brought in by the Coalition Government. It was an excellent innovation and it has worked very well, but it must be expanded to meet the needs of many more people, because as houses are getting dearer the repayments are getting very much higher and it is really putting people to the pin of their collar to meet the repayments. The great advantage of the low rise mortgage is that for the first ten years it had a subsidy built in and generally after that time increases in wages or salaries tended to let a person meet the repayments. But they are terribly restrictive. If a person is living in any sort of accommodation at all even with one child he is debarred; if he is married and has a child he has to wait 12 months before he can qualify and he must be in overcrowded and very poor conditions. That is a narrow and restrictive policy, particularly in view of the fact that there is talk about cutting back on local authority housing. At least if there are to be cutbacks in money for housing they should make it possible to provide the necessary finance and the necessary subsidies and aids for people to house themselves. But they are doing neither, and we are again going to be faced with a terrible housing problem because this Government have not got the will to tackle this problem. They use no imagination whatsoever on housing. I suggested some time ago that they should consider the operation and organisation of housing aid societies which could go into business and buy houses which the local authority, for one reason or another, does not wish to buy. I am thinking of old houses which could be bought and renovated and made available to young married couples. There are many run-down properties in Dublin which could be bought over and refurbished by housing aid societies. There is no question that the will would be there within the area of people who want to get involved in this. Surely this must be spearheaded by the Government. They must put the money in. They must encourage this. I suggested also some time ago the question of housing trusts. In my constituency there is a fairly big housing trust and because of legislation for controlled rents they are now losing substantial amounts of money. I believe that they should be directly grant aided, because if they are not and if property runs down the cost of developing and rebuilding it will certainly amount to a fortune. It is money well spent but there does not seem to be any imagination in the housing area to do something like this. Bad housing results in ill-health and suffering, the breakdown of marriages. We should not contemplate a cutback in the capital allocation for housing.

With regard to social welfare I hoped that, coming up to Christmas the old age pensioners, people in receipt of disablement pensions and others, would have got special consideration. They have to make do with the small amount of money they have. They are not being given any bonus this Christmas. There does not appear to be a lot for them in the long term, if we are to heed the statements of Ministers that things are not good now. They did not tell us that in June 1977 but they are telling us now when they are firmly ensconced in Government. I hope that in the coming budget the social welfare recipients, particularly the elderly and the disabled, will be given special consideration to ensure that they have adequate money to live in reasonable comfort.

The Taoiseach spoke about job creation this morning. He spoke about the great work that was done and about the fall in the live register. They are always talking about the live register. I wonder where the dead register is?

(Interruptions.)

We are told that the live register was 110,000 and it is now down to 98,000. The Government said they would have jobs, not necessarily for the boys, but they forgot to tell the people that they were in Liverpool, Birmingham, Glasgow and other places in England. We are now back to the situation in the fifties and sixties. The live register looks a bit respectable because of emigration. People who draw unemployment benefit are being asked where they have applied for employment when they go in to sign. They have to produce a few letters from former employers. If they do not produce those letters they lose their unemployment benefit. That is intimidation of the worst type. If one is unemployed and goes to an employer looking for a job he may not want to spend one minute putting something on paper saying that that particular person called but there was no employment for him or her. That is another way the Government can show that the figures on the live register are coming down. There is no actual quantification of the real jobs got.

I am glad the Taoiseach said that redundancies are still high because we all know that this is the case. I compliment the IDA on the work they are doing but it is not coming along as quickly as we would like it. Unfortunately redundancies are increasing. It is nice to quote figures but when one examines them they do not stand up to scrutiny. We know that people have been forced off the live register by some means for the sake of keeping nice respectable figures that can be thrown across the House without any consideration for the unfortunate people who have not got jobs.

The Taoiseach also said that the Government have been doing a great job in regard to school leavers. The Minister for Labour set up a youth employment committee. I do not know if that is alive or dead as we do not hear a lot about it. That was to take the onus off the Minister. The Government's attitude is that if they have a problem they set up a committee and let them deal with it. I believe that this committee are a failure because they were not given any teeth. When the committee wanted to do something they could not do it because AnCO or some other group might have been doing it. When one asks a question about youth employment one is invariably told that this committee are working on it. I know they came up with some schemes, such as the community work schemes, which are in operation, but they are temporary, as the Taoiseach said.

We all know that local authorities are to have cutbacks. I hope that when it comes to renewing the special grant which was given last year to this committee that we will not be told that the money is not there. Young people were given some hope early this year and I hope their hopes will not be dashed when it comes to the budget early next year. They were given promises and if they are not fulfilled the day of reckoning will come for the Government.

I was interested to hear Deputy Woods talk about the EEC, the commitment of the Government in relation to it and their concern for other countries to join. At the same time they have aligned themselves to a party who are opposed to direct elections in Europe, who are not interested in the expansion of Europe and do not want those countries in. Fianna Fáil have rather strange bedfellows. Democracy is giving the people the right to choose their candidates but the Government have aligned themselves with the people who do not want this. A statement to that effect was made in Cork although I believe the press got it wrong as they got a few things wrong last week.

When mistakes are made scapegoats must be found. During the last couple of weeks the scapegoats have been the Press. But I expect that the Press are well able to look after themselves in that respect. I was both amazed and amused by Deputy Woods' contribution. I suppose any of us can live in cloud-cuckoo land at any time but that will not solve any problem.

We have heard a good deal recently about the EMS but there is still a good part of that road to travel. We are told that membership of the EMS would result in keeping down prices and in reducing the level of inflation. That sounds fine but we are told that we must be cushioned against the effects of joining. Consequently, it is important that we consider those effects, one of which is that we would not necessarily have the safety valve of devaluation to the same extent as we have had up to now but then we might become uncompetitive and, consequently, lose a lot of jobs. One of the Ministers tells us that we might have compulsory wage restraints to offset that problem. That is his contribution to solving the problems that would be associated with membership of the EMS. Perhaps in the long term that attitude would be correct but in the short term we would appear to be going in with our eyes half closed. There has been reference to the setting up of a committee in Europe of three wise men but our three wise men did not have many answers when they arrived back at Dublin Airport. They had various stories to relate but I am convinced that when their stories were related to the Department of Finance they were told that the Department had a budget drafted on the basis of the readies coming in and that in the event of our not joining there will be real trouble. Consequently, I suspect that the Government were advised to go back to Europe and try again.

That is a good line.

The Taoiseach was not back more than a couple of days when he began pussyfooting about and trying again to join. This was no doubt after the facts had been put to him fully by the Department of Finance. The Department probably told the Taoiseach that although what was offered might not be what we are looking for, it would be sufficient to plug a few holes. Obviously if we do not join, the budget will have to be very deflationary and there will be steep increases in tax on various items. Such a move would not be very popular so the idea must be to get back to a negotiating position so that money can be got from somewhere. I am concerned, then, with this rather dubious reason for joining the EMS but no doubt if things go wrong the Government will find a scapegoat. During recent months the trade unions have been criticised and one Minister suggested that the Government would use their 84-seat position to bring order into the situation but that is not a way in which to get co-operation.

The Government have not made any effort to come to grips with the very serious problems of industrial relations. According to them everybody but the Government are irresponsible, but the irresponsibility begun with the pre-election promises of Fianna Fáil when they raised very high hopes among the people but now when the expectations are not being fulfilled the people are asking questions. Fianna Fáil gave the impression that if the Coalition could be removed from office all our problems would disappear. Fianna Fáil knew very well that the promises they made were not capable of being implemented and now they accuse all of us of being irresponsible.

Let us consider the Government's position regarding the problems of industrial relations. A commission have been set up to investigate this area but I expect this committee will be merely another smokescreen. There should be an examination into the causes of strikes with a view to determining what action can be taken to avoid them. Surely that is a positive function of industrial relations. There is no sense of direction on the part of the Government so far as this question is concerned. All we have are veiled threats week after week but these threats will boomerang on the Government because they will not get from the trade union movement the kind of co-operation that is necessary unless some direction can be given. The sooner that the Government are in a position to give the sort of direction that is necessary, the better for all of us. That can be done only by a positive approach of goodwill.

What about profit sharing? Have we any policy with regard to worker participation within a company? What are they doing about rights? The Coalition brought in a Bill about workers on boards. That is all right, but it is not anything like enough. That is starting at the wrong end. You would want to start at the shop floor and build up a proper framework of good relationships. This can be done with goodwill. It can be done by incentives from the Government of the day. Surely it is the responsiblity of the Government to do that in involving profit sharing and special tax concessions for workers and for employers who will participate in this type of good relationships. We hear a lot about the Continent where there are not many strikes and where they are very responsible people, but if one goes to the Continent and examines their management structures, their incentives and salaries and the whole framework, one will see clearly why they have not got the problems. We do not seem to want to grasp the nettle and tackle the problem at the proper level. We have not the will, we are lazy. As long as we persist in that we are in dire trouble in our industrial relationships. It is a pity, because the Irish worker is very receptive. The trade union movement over the years have been responsible for national wage agreements and so often face reasonable opposition from their own members. Why? We cannot say that the trade union movement and their members are irresponsible. They have been neglected and it is high time we revised our thinking and did something positive. We are almost in the 1980s; we are in Europe. We are in the big world and unless we equip ourselves and are fair to our workforce we are going to continue to be in trouble. This is one of the problems that have to be tackled in a radical fashion, and if this is done it will be of great advantage to this country in a few years.

The record of this Government over the last year and a half, and particularly over the last few months, has been uninspiring, with no real legislation coming through the House. Their reputation internationally as a result of the type of negotiations we were conducting has been tarnished. When the Coalition were in office we were held in high esteem. We had people who could negotiate, who were respected and who got goodwill for us. We have seen this goodwill being eroded in a very short time by shilly-shallying and dithering. That is sad because it is not this or that side of the House which suffers. It is the overall country that suffers because of the inadequacy of the people we send to negotiate. It is a sad day for Ireland when that happens.

As I have said, the future does not look very bright. The prospects are grim and instead of new hope we have no hope. There is a certain amount of despair emanating from the far side of the House. The next few months are going to be hard. The money that we get from the EMS may bail out the Government temporarily, but unless they get down to operating concrete policies which have some meaning, instead of the conglomeration of gimmicks that were in the manifesto—and the sooner that document is laid to rest the better—and positive ideas are brought to the fore, this country is going to be in trouble.

I conclude by saying that I am disappointed with the present Government's performance. It has been slipshod and lacking in vision. They have not lived up to their promises. From their utterances of late it is quite clear that we are in for a tough time because of all their inadequacies. As an Opposition we have to ensure that they will not get all their own way despite the fact that they have such a large majority. Coming into the year 1979, under the present Government things do not look as rosy as they foretold they would in July 1977.

It is important to bring this debate to a degree of reality. Deputy O'Brien, in his otherwise excellent contribution, sought to bring into the debate a degree of subjective reasoning and of politicisation of the situation that does not get away from the real economic figures indicated, which I will quote now for the benefit of Deputy O'Brien, Deputy Bermingham and the House.

As far as economic growth is concerned, we have achieved this year, for the second year in succession, a 7 per cent rise in growth. In case that is regarded as just a percentage figure, that is not in a relative sense. That is the highest growth not alone in the EEC but in a list of OECD countries, many of whom are regarded as the most advanced industrialised countries in the world.

The figures that I have just mentioned in regard to Ireland are in a table that I am looking at on page 32 of the Central Bank Report of autumn 1978, showing Ireland in terms of GNP percentage increase the highest, not alone in the EEC, but in the OECD countries that include the USA, Canada and Japan and the whole list of EEC countries as well. Therefore, we are there at the top of the lead not just of the EEC but of the OECD list of countries. That is the economic reality, the basic barometer test of the percentage rise in economic growth. To show that this is not just for one year, this is the second successive year in which we have had a 7 per cent growth rate increase in respect of the economic growth of wealth to be distributed throughout the whole of the Irish community in the form of an equitable budgetary arrangement.

I shall cite just a few other barometers. Our exports are up 14 per cent this year on last year. Our external reserves have gone up, more than counter-balancing the deficit of £150 million in the balance of payments. Therefore, we have a situation in which we can carry the balance of payments deficit by reason of the increased inflow of funds and investment to this country. That is another very practical barometer of progress.

I have just mentioned the economic aspects of progress but the most important one of all is the social aspect of employment. That is what all economic development is about, the creation of employment and jobs. In that respect the net increase in employment in the past 12 months of 17,000 people—which is the present estimate, to be confirmed—is the highest in 30 years— direct job creation by the Government resulting from investment in the public sector, stimulation of the building and construction industry and youth employment; the direct job creation comes to a figure of 24,000. I shall not go into the inadequacies of the live register. The register itself at present shows a reduction of 12,000 people compared with this time last year, consistently at that rate over a number of months.

There is there, if you like, a whole photograph of the economy, the whole spectrum—a situation of a 7 per cent growth target achieved this year, on top of 7 per cent last year; a situation of exports being up 14 per cent this year compared with last year and a net increase in employment of 17,000 people compared with the same time last year. This illustrates how the Government, through direct action in the way of direct job creation, by way of tax and stimulants, and rates abolition—putting more money into people's pockets and encouraging enterprise amongst people—through policies pursued at two levels, on direct action in regard to job creation and direct action also in regard to rates abolition and tax incentives, have created a situation resulting in the picture I have outlined in brief statistical terms.

Apart from arguing out this matter on a statistical or economic base, there is one even more fundamental fact, that is that Fianna Fáil won the last general election, won it so well that the people who have money to invest, Irish nationals, and non-nationals are coming in here so numerously now that the job of the Industrial Development Authority is rendered easy by reason of the obvious attraction here for foreign investment and restored confidence. As long as the Fine Gael Party in opposition have the Labour Party around their necks, as long as the Socialists are around the necks of the conservative party in opposition, but more seriously for the country in Government, there will not be the type of inflow of funds by way of investment in Ireland that we require for our future development.

What the Minister is saying is that Irish men cannot co-operate.

I am talking about confidence; I am talking about where money and investment move. That is very pertinent to something I will be talking about later in regard to the European Monetary System, that as far as investment is concerned the elixir of investment, the motivation of investment, is confidence. Apart from the positive measures taken by the Government I have outlined already to stimulate development and employment, the basic intangible ingredient is the restoration of confidence. That factor did not exist in the Irish social and economic climate in the period 1973 to 1977. This is no reflection on the estimable people sitting opposite, the estimable people within the Fine Gael and Labour parties. I am not responsible for this and they are not responsible. It is merely a fact of life that money and investment will flow only where money and investment feel that confidence resides.

The picture, since the general election in 1977, has been one showing a flow of funds and investment into this country that have helped, to a large extent, in the job-creation drive I have just mentioned. Therefore, apart from the direct Government aspects of encouragement, there was this fantastic, intangible creation of confidence which attracted funds and direct fiscal investment from abroad, particularly from North America where the IDA are having very substantial success in attracting North American firms to Ireland to use Ireland as a springboard for their business outlets within the EEC. The figure I mentioned some moments ago emphasises that, despite the fact that we are running a balance of payments deficit currently of £150 million, much lower than anticipated, we have a rise in our external reserves way ahead of that figure. Therefore, we can run now a balance of payments deficit on the basis that we are attracting sufficient funds in here on account of the confidence created by reason of the investment climate created, to attract funds to outweigh the balance of payments deficit. This is the sort of practical, economic situation that could never have arisen as long as the Fine Gael Party were in Government with the Socialists around their necks. As long as the Socialists were around their necks like an albatross, the Fine Gael Party could not succeed. Indeed many of their own supporters saw that in the last general election and acted accordingly, quietly, in the secrecy of the ballot box—

(Interruptions.)

Many Fine Gael supporters throughout the country acted accordingly in their own personal, sensible interests.

The new economic era of Brian Lenihan.

They saw that the time for playing games was over, the time for putting in a sensible, constructive and responsible Government was at hand; that their friends, patrons, their very good neighbours and themselves—who had backed Fine Gael throughout Ireland over the years—could no longer do so with the Socialist albatross around their necks.

The game was only starting.

Deputies opposite know exactly what I am saying, know that what I am saying is exactly the truth——

The Minister is saying it with a smile because he does not believe it.

(Interruptions)

Deputies, please, we must have order.

(Interruptions.)

Acting Chairman

Might I suggest that Deputies look towards and listen to the Chair. Might I suggest that Deputy Harte listen to the Chair. Perhaps Deputy Collins would do likewise. Would Deputies please allow the Minister to speak? Time is limited and Deputies must allow the Minister to speak without interruption. They will have an opportunity of speaking later.

I am going through a very constructive résumé of the economic indicators showing the success of the Government's economic policies; the economic indicators are there in regard to the 17,000 increase in employment, the largest increase in 30 years. The economic indicators are there in the direct job creation of 24,000 employed by reason of direct Government action in the public sector and stimulation in the building construction industry and job creation area for young people. The 7 per cent growth rate this year is more than twice as high an economic growth rate as that of any of the other Community countries. Indeed, as I indicated, it is a higher growth rate than that of the USA, Canada and Japan. That is the evolution for the second successive year under a Fianna Fáil Government.

I was going on to the very fundamental fact that this did not all just happen because we adopted the right tax incentives in the last budget or because we organised direct job creation. It happened mainly because we created a climate of confidence in regard to investment and that confidence is reflected in the fact that our external reserves have risen higher than our balance of payments deficit. We had a deficit this year of £150 million and our external reserves exceeded that. That is what confidence means, an inflow of funds and investment, direct and indirect, which is reflected in that sort of figure. That is what economics are about, and economics are a direct reflection of the political stability of a community. So long as you have a Government who know their business, act in a majority here and creates the sort of confidence I am talking about so long will you have a repetition of the figures I have just given.

Last year there was a 17,000 net increase in employment. The figure on the live register is down by 12,000 as compared with this time last year. I want to quote now the Financial Times of Thursday, 14 December, where one can see the basic reality of going into a European Monetary System if the terms are right. Forward dealing against the £ in regard to the German Deutschemark is 9.27, a very substantial figure. In regard to the Yen it is 10.97. In regard to the Belgian Franc it is 3.70 and in the case of the Guilder it is 3.43. Sterling is maintaining a reasonable parity with the dollar. The importance of these figures is borne out by the Central Bank Report published in the autumn of this year. I refer to table 7, section 2 of the statistical appendix. There is a very interesting statistic arising out of loans mainly floated by the Coalition Government, to our enormous disadvantage. The external debt of State-sponsored bodies is up by £252 million as of March of this year. There is a corrective note, which appears for the first time, and it shows the stupidity of the Coalition Government borrowing so widely. The note says that it is estimated that, when exchange rate changes are taken into account, the amount outstanding was of the order of £310 million. That figure of £252 million becomes therefore a figure of £310 million, a 20 per cent increase in the outstanding debt of State-sponsored bodies alone. That runs right through all the loans taken up by the Coalition Government in non-sterling currencies and that is why it is so important to be linked with a reasonable basket of currencies rather than taking up loans from sterling or non-sterling currency areas. That is why I quoted current figures from the Financial Times which show a forward borrowing position as against sterling in regard to the major currencies of the world. That is very basic and very fundamental. It is important to remember that so long as we continue indefinitely to be tied to a sick currency, such as sterling, so long will we continually be dodging trouble as the British have been dodging trouble since the end of the war. It was not the French, the Germans or any other of the Community countries that caused our problems in regard to negotiating the best possible deal within the Community. It was the British.

Is that official? It could be true, but I did not hear the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste or the Minister for Economic Planning and Development say it.

Anyone who has a semblance of brains and applies them can see that our problem is that the British are also there seeking aid to which the other major countries do not think they are entitled. That is the basic problem.

I remember the Minister warning the Scots that independence was not all it is cracked up to be.

In regard to our economic development it is essential to ensure that we secure a degree of independence in the solution and management of our own economic affairs. It is only in the context of planned economic and social development with the co-operation of all sections that we can really make progress. So long as we are tied to sterling, which is continually depreciating and devaluing, there will be no progress for us as an independent country and an independent economy.

Debate adjourned.

I wish to remind the House that we are going into recess tomorrow and written replies will be given to the remaining questions for oral answer on the Order Paper. If any Deputy, however, wishes to have his questions for oral answer left until after the recess he should notify the General Office to that effect.

May I ask is the House going into recess tomorrow irrespective of the possibility that there may be a momentous decision today or tomorrow? Will the House have an opportunity of debating that decision?

The Deputy will have to address that question to the Taoiseach. The Chair would not be in a position to answer it.

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