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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 12 Feb 1981

Vol. 326 No. 9

Financial Resolutions, 1980. - Financial Resolution No. 9: General. (Resumed)

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That it is expedient to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance.
—(The Taoiseach.)

(Cavan-Monaghan): When I moved the adjournment of this debate I was dealing with agriculture and I pointed out that this sector of the economy is at a very low level at present. The Minister for Agriculture, who spoke earlier today, conceded that the years 1979 and 1980 were extremely bad years for agriculture. The most striking evidence of the low state to which the industry has sunk is that cattle numbers are now back to 1972 levels. The 1980 report of the Irish Livestock and Meat Board states that the breeding herd is now back to its 1972 level, whereas the beef cow component of the herd is back to the 1971 level. Could there be more striking evidence of the present state of agriculture?

The Minister for Finance and the Minister for Agriculture claim that the sum of £35 million has been injected into the agricultural sector by the budget. I put on record item by item that instead of £35 million the real provision is at most £22.85 million. I want to compare the sum of under £23 million provided for agriculture in the budget to the allocation of £80 million for extra public sector pay claims in 1981. I am sure the amount of £80 million is a moderate one and no more than is necessary. It is important to note that the public sector pay bill in 1981 has increased by 101 per cent since 1978 while at the same time agricultural incomes have declined substantially both in nominal and real terms by about 40 per cent over that time. The only solution offered by the Minister for Finance is an exhortation to the farmers to produce more. His contribution towards increased production is to tax farmers out of existence by way of income tax, rates, resource tax and special levies and he expects the agricultural community to proceed with confidence. In the face of all these taxes it is no wonder that there is a complete lack of confidence among them at present.

I have spelled out clearly that the budget contribution to agriculture is £22.85 million, but let us consider what the same budget will take out of agriculture. Of course this is an inflationary budget and we cannot have exact figures but I am being conservative in saying that it is inflationary to the extent of 3 per cent. If we accept this figure the immediate result will be the transfer of £30 million from agriculture to the Exchequer. Therefore we find that there is an injection of less than £23 million and a withdrawal of £30 million, leaving agriculture worse off to the extent of £7 million.

The budget will also increase the cost of processing due to increase in the cost of petrol, oil, excise duty, PRSI charges and post office charges. Initially these costs may be borne by the processors but finally they will be funded by the farmers by way of lower prices for farm products. The possibility of an increase in wages and salaries above the terms of the second phase of the national understanding must be kept in mind due to the inflationary effects of the budget and this will also affect the processing industry.

To summarise, the direct effect of the budget on the business of farming is to provide additional gross income in rates and levies amounting to £25.8 million and to withdraw from agriculture £30 million due to the inflationary nature of the budget. It is inflation which is killing our agricultural industry. Farmers are accepting increases applicable to low inflation countries and at the same time they are fighting wild inflation here. This suggests a direct withdrawal of £7 million from agriculture. The indirect effects of the budget and the effects of indirect taxation on farmers as individuals are ignored for the purpose of what I have been saying.

The benefits in taxes outlined by the Minister on budget day are only part of the budget's plan for managing the State's finance for the year.

When and if prosperity is restored to agriculture the small farmers must be protected from the cheque book tycoons who are gobbling up small farms that come on the market. I have noticed that since the change of Government the Land Commission have been winding down and that they are coming virtually to a standstill. The machinery in the White Paper will not protect the small farmer from the non-farmer or the big farmer. I have known for some time that the Department of Finance do not understand the workings of the Land Commission, that they think it is some sort of social welfare operation, which it is not, and that they want to wind it up. The White Paper indicates that, because it says that the Land Commission will not be wound up as it would be necessary for some time to deal with land on hands. When I raised this question in the House over the last three or four years I was told by Minister after Minister that the Land Commission were slowing down in acquisition and devoting all their energies to distributing land on hands. It was a scandal that they should have kept so much land without distributing it.

I put down a question to the Minister for Agriculture recently asking for particulars of lands acquired and distributed from 1975 to 1980. On the acquisition side I was told that in 1975 5,518 hectares had been acquired, in 1976 7,618 hectares, in 1977 5,008 hectares, in 1978 4,976 hectares, in 1979 2,602 hectares and in 1980 882 hectares had been acquired. If I had closed my ears I would have thought that the Land Commission staff must have been killing themselves dividing land. Luckily I had asked for the division figures for the same period and they were that in 1975 14,641 hectares were divided, in 1976 12,549 hectares, in 1977 14,446 hectares had been divided, and then when Fianna Fáil put the pressure onto land division, we find that in 1978 the amount divided was down to 11,652 hectares, in 1979 it was down to 10,587 hectares and in 1980 it was down to 9,286 hectares.

What are the Land Commission doing? Have the staff been withdrawn? They must have been, because I know that Land Commission inspectors do a good job when they are allowed to. Those are scandalous figures which show that since 1977 the Ministers for Agriculture were bluffing me, the House and the country when they said that the object of winding down the acquisition section was so that the division section could go full steam ahead and get land divided and that the inspectors who were acquiring land should be allowed to divide land. Not only have the acquisition section come to a full stop, acquiring not even 1,000 hectares in 1980 but division has gone down from 14,446 hectares in 1977 to 9,286 hectares. We know that the Land Commissioners have on hands something like 60,000 or 70,000 acres.

In the time left to me I will deal with taxation. This is an unimaginative budget without innovation. It is as old fashioned as if my grandmother had introduced it. We have put tax on cars, petrol, drinks and cigarettes; we have something for the old age pensioner to keep body and soul together and that is no more than one would expect in these inflationary times, and then the Government have borrowed the lot. When Fianna Fáil were in opposition their war cry was "job creation." What we hear about now is recession. We hear that all the faults and the problems of the present Government are due to the sheiks and the price of oil. I concede that the increase on the price of oil causes some of our economic difficulties but why should we exacerbate the condition? If everybody from the Taoiseach down to the lowliest member of a town commission blames the price of oil for our not being competitive and for the loss of jobs and so on, why do they in two successive budgets have so little imagination as to put 20p last year and 15p this year onto the price of a gallon of petrol and onto diesel?

If some of our complaints are due to the price of oil why does the financial wizard who heads the Government not let his own expertise be known and show a bit of imagination and get tax from elsewhere if necessary? The effect of this 20p last year and the 15p this year on petrol and diesel will be inflationary. It will penetrate through to every section of the economy and will make us less competitive at home and abroad. That is all the imagination and the innovation that we see in this budget. We then go to the hardy annuals, as they are called, and find that this year, after last year, drink is taxed and cigarettes are taxed. It may be said that these are optional purchases. Do we completely forget tourism? Are we not pricing ourselves out of the tourist market to such an extent that if the púnt had a reasonable value, people could go to England, pay the cost of transporting themselves and their cars and have a cheaper holiday than if they stayed at home? When people are trying to make up their minds about where they will go on their holidays they consider the cost of petrol and the cost of drink and cigarettes. The tourist industry is being taxed out of business.

There is a 9 per cent increase provided in the budget for tourism but this is actually a cutback. If we want to encourage people to come here and we want to turn the weakness of the punt to our advantage we must exploit the tourist market. Many people regard us as out of our minds because we are taxing things which will drive tourists away. We have enough difficulties here in attracting tourists and in differentiating between the 26 counties of the Republic and the six counties of the North East without driving up the cost of holidays here.

The allocation to local tourist boards has been cut this year. It is difficult to understand that. The budget demonstrates the mismanagement of the country by the Government over the last four years. When I spoke about agriculture I said that of the £22 million provided, £3.5 million represents an increase in administration. The following items in the Estimate for the Department of Agriculture show a reduction: lime transport subsidy, farm modernisation scheme, marketing, scholarships and training, technical assistance and general disease control. We have only one agricultural instructor for every 500 or 600 farmers while in the EEC countries, notably Holland, where our competitors are, there is one for every 200.

We joined the EEC in the full knowledge that there would be swings and roundabouts and that we could suffer from losses on the industrial swings but if we managed our economy and agriculture properly we would increase considerably on the agricultural roundabouts. We are not fighting hard enough in Brussels for our farmers and we are not organising technical training and supports at home to enable them to compete on the home market. There are huge quantities of food imported from abroad. It is a disgrace that in an agricultural country such large quantities of food should be imported. It shows how badly the country is being managed.

An increase of 25 per cent has been given to the social welfare recipients. We must not forget, however, that the cost of living in the last two years has increased by 37 per cent. I do not believe one can estimate the requirements of the lowest income sector by any yardstick. It is impossible to say how much it takes to keep an old person who lives alone. I do not consider that enough has been done for those people. Fianna Fáil did not reduce the qualifying age for the old age pension. It had never been reduced from 1907 until the National Coalition Government reduced it on taking office. During our period in office it was reduced down to 66 years but Fianna Fáil have not reduced it since by even one year.

Fianna Fáil talk a lot about their performance in relation to social welfare but it was the National Coalition Government who uplifted the social welfare classes during their period in office. They gave huge increases in children's allowances and old age pensions. We gave an allowance for single women who were destitute when we took office. I welcome what has been done for the social welfare classes but we should not clap ourselves on the back because, like the farmers, they were poor people for far too long. They have got no more than is necessary to keep body and soul together.

I want to refer to the restoration of car tax. The Minister for Finance on budget night stated on television and on radio that it was not a tax, that it was a registration fee. It does not matter a lot to the person who goes into the tax office to pay £20 whether it is called a registration fee or taxation. When this tax was removed from cars after Fianna Fáil took office in 1977 car owners were not told that it would be replaced by another tax under a different name. That is a cynical trick. Maybe the Government thought they should throw it out with Deputy O'Donoghue. This is the imagination and the innovation of the Taoiseach.

The PAYE people are worse off under this budget. Fianna Fáil played on the sympathies and fears of a certain group of young people before the 1977 election and told them they would look after them. It cannot be denied that a young person who is lucky enough to have a job and who is earning £60, £70 or £80 a week is better off to the extent of £70 per year under the budget. The first thing he has to pay out of that is about £15 for a stamp. The next thing he has to pay out of that is an extra £10 for his car, because he has to get to work. That is £25. The next thing he has to pay is an extra 15p for every gallon of petrol he buys. Bang goes the £70. It is gobbled up. If he takes a drink he has to pay 12p on a glass of whiskey, or 6p on a pint of stout, and if he smokes he has to pay an extra 10p for 20 cigarettes. This is all before he starts to cater for the increase in the cost of living.

Is it not true that this budget is inflationary? Is it not a fact that it will generate demands for wages and, if they acceded to — and it is difficult to see how they will not be acceded to — the cost of production will go up? That has to be added to the tax on petrol and oil, and there is hurdy-gurdy going again for the financial wizard of the century. We will be less competitive at home and abroad, and unemployment will increase.

It is very difficult to see how such a budget could be introduced. I want to put on record that this budget is faulty and deceptive. Minister after Minister has refused to say how the cuts will be justified and where provision is made for inflation. With the notable exception of the Minister for Energy, who seems to be a sort of independent republic on his own, other Ministers refused to answer. The answer is that with all the taxes and with borrowing of £515 million, the Estimates are inadequate. Before the end of the year there will either have to be a cutback in the health services, the local government services in every Department, or Supplementary Estimates will have to be introduced. Last year Supplementary Estimates to the tune of £463 million were introduced.

There is great speculation as to when the general election will be held. I would have a bet with anybody that the general election will be held before the normal time for the re-assembly of the Dáil after the summer recess. If the Dáil re-assembles after the summer recess without a general election, Supplementary Estimates will be flying in and borrowing will be astronomical.

I thank the Deputy for that information. Perhaps he would conclude now.

(Cavan-Monaghan): I was about to say, Sir, that you are in the lucky position that it will not affect your seat, but that is not so. You will have to go through the mill the same as the rest of us.

All budgets create controversy. By their very nature they must create controversy. It would be virtually impossible for any Minister, no matter what his qualifications were and no matter how excellent he might be, to devise a budget which would be pleasing to everyone. No Minister could ever hope to introduce such a budget.

Most budgets are reasonably balanced. While they may please a number of people, they probably displease as many others. This cannot be called a balanced budget. There may be some Deputies on the other side of the House who would not agree, but practically everybody else agrees that, apart from the fully-deserved increases in social welfare, the rest of the budget has antagonised somebody. I have been in this House for 15 years. We had a budget every year and two budgets in some years, so I can safely say I have been here for the introduction of 20 budgets. I never experienced such widespread opposition and so much criticism of any other budget. Government Deputies pretend that they are pleased with the budget.

On the day the budget was introduced, and immediately after that, it was quite noticeable from the behaviour and the general attitude of those Deputies that most of them were not very happy about it. They were wondering if the general election, which has been in the air for some time now, were to be held, what effect it would have on them. Most of them were not looking forward very anxiously or eagerly to a general election soon after such a budget.

After the initial shock and fear had abated somewhat, they realised it was their duty as members of the Government party, and in their own best interests as well, to make some pretence of defending the budget. Listening to them, it was apparent that they not got their hearts in this effort and that they were not speaking what they really believed to be the truth. Some of them got annoyed and started to blame television, radio and newspaper commentators and accused them of presenting a biased view.

Newspapers and the media generally report things as they see them and in most cases give a very factual account. Nobody has pinpointed any error in any of the press reports except for Deputy Briscoe, who criticised RTE and stated they reported him wrongly when they accused him of saying that anyone who criticised the budget was anti-national. I am not saying that he said that, because he corrected it and I accept his explanation. However, it would not be beyond the powers of the Government party to claim that anyone who differed from them was anti-national. During the war years somebody suggested to the leader of the then Fianna Fáil Party that in a time of stress and strain, such as the war imposed, he might follow the example of Britain where a national Government was formed. The reply given was that the only national Government for this country was a Fianna Fáil Government. Everything else was regarded as being anti-national.

Like most Dublin people my reading is generally confined to the Dublin newspapers, The Irish Press, Irish Independent and The Irish Times. When I heard the accusations about biased reports I thought I should look at the provincial papers and see if they had a different attitude and if the national daily papers had not given the true facts. I decided there was no better one to start off with than, as the advertisement says down south, The Cork Examiner, the one they call “the paper.” It is a Cork paper and Cork people, whatever their political affiliations, when they congregate together are all Corkmen. A Corkman will not give a distorted view or in any way misrepresent a fellow Corkman. In The Cork Examiner there were headline such as: “Vintners Horrified at Penal Taxes;”“Motor Industry Shocked;”“Farmers Furious;”“CII Chief Disappointed;”“Tourism Dealt Another Blow.” I do not think the most fervent Corkman could in any way say that it was loud in its praise of the budget. It must be agreed that a Corkman would be correctly reported in his own paper.

Why has such an adverse account been given in the different papers? The papers are correct in their criticism. Everybody expected that major relief would be given to the PAYE sector. We all know how sorely these people feel and how they think they are being treated unjustly and compelled to pay an unfair amount of tax. They got nothing in the budget. The tax imposed on whiskey, beer and cigarettes can only be termed savage. It is strange to see that the licensed trade, brewers and distillers, have been criticised for making outrageous profits, but are people aware of how much of the cost of a bottle of whiskey goes between the distillers, wholesalers and publicans? The tax on a bottle of whiskey which costs £9 is something over £7 and the amount left is less than £2 to be divided between distillers, wholesalers and the retail trade. The tax on a gallon of petrol is now 91.4p. When people fill their cars with a few gallons of petrol they are mesmerised to see the amount that is registered on the pump. Do they realise that the Government are taking more than half of this in tax? We all know that an increase in the price of petrol adds to the cost of everything else. Petrol and oil have to be used for the delivery of all types of goods and services. When the price goes up everybody has to adjust their price accordingly. In the final analysis it means an increase for the consumer.

It has been estimated by experts that the cost of living will be increased by something in the region of 3 per cent as a result of this budget. That was mentioned before the mini-budget. I referred to the increase in postal charges. In some cases these went up by 20 to 25 per cent. This must be taken into account when reckoning what the budget has meant for each individual. The increase in petrol will have a sobering effect on our already decreasing tourist trade. Last year I was in Exeter and people there said that they used to come to Dublin for a few days to do shopping but now the prices have become so ridiculous that they cannot afford to do so and have to be content with what they get at home.

All of these points must be borne in mind by the ordinary wage earner when considering his position with regard to the budget. Various Deputies on the Government side tried valiantly to point to some ray of sunshine or prospect of relief in the budget. I noted that the Minister for Education claimed that the farmers in his area were pleased with the budget. Listening to rural Deputies opposite I am beginning to think that it is only in their areas that farmers were pleased with the budget, because everybody else seems to be up in arms about it.

The Minister for the Environment came in and stoutly endeavoured to defend the budget, but one sentence in his speech demonstrates fully how insincere was his defence, when he said that the Opposition were bereft of any ideas when they say that the allocation to local authorities is inadequate. I happen to be a member of Dublin Corporation. At different meetings of that local authority members continually seek improvements in various fields. But we are told that the corporation just have not got the money, that the corporation receive only a certain allowance from central government funds now that rates have disappeared, and that we must make do with what we have and be satisfied. It is just too bad when that allocation has been expended.

The Minister for the Environment was a member of a local authority for a considerable number of years. He must be as aware as the rest of us that the allocation to any local authority is totally insufficient. One has only to travel around Dublin to see the state of our roads. If the officials of Dublin Corporation could get sufficient money to improve general conditions and services, they would be only too willing to do so. Therefore nobody believes that these allocations are in any way adequate. As a matter of fact, there have been deputations to the Minister and his predecessor. These deputations have not always been comprised of members of the Opposition; in a fair number of cases members of the Minister's own party have been on those deputations. What is true of Dublin is equally true of practically every other local authority.

The Government were supposed to have created 80,000 new jobs in the past year but, had they not created those jobs, one wonders what would be the present position with regard to unemployment, which is at present something around 130,000. When the National Coalition were in Government I remember that Deputy O'Donoghue, when criticising the number of people unemployed continually contended that the official figures were not the true ones, that one must always add anything between 30,000 and 40,000. On that calculation the present figure could be well over 150,000. Mark you, this is the figure after three-and-a-half years of the Government who told us in their manifesto they would reduce and practically eliminate unemployment. I do not know what has gone wrong or how their figures have gone astray, because in no way can they claim that they are making a serious effort at abolishing unemployment.

They told us also in that manifesto that they would abolish car tax. According to themselves they abolished car tax but had to have a registration fee of £5 to keep check on the number of vehicles. I suppose that is understandable. But after some time that £5 was increased to £10, and in this most recent budget it has gone to £20. If it continues to double one must ask whether it will be £40 next year and so on. Indeed, at that rate it would not take very long before car tax would be fully restored. Of course, they would then contend that the tax has not been restored. In fact, the Taoiseach told us that there would be very little remaining after administration costs. However, it is true to say that, whether it be called a tax or a registration fee, the person paying finds it equally painful; its name is immaterial.

I do not profess to be an expert, nor would I be fully competent to examine all of the provisions of the budget. Already every detail of this budget has been examined several times. It has been examined by people who claim to be experts — people who may or may not be — and by non-experts. It is true also that every section of the community has been displeased with it. Possibly one of the reasons people are displeased with and puzzled by its provisions is that they are wondering why a Government under Deputy Haughey has done such a bad job. Whatever defects the Taoiseach might have — and, God knows, he is human like the rest of us and has many — most people regarded him as a smart and intelligent man. Having known him over a long number of years, I certainly thought so, too. But, as he is a smart man and has proved that he knows how to make money, how to count it and spend it — he has all of those qualifications — people are wondering even more why things have gone so wrong under his leadership.

We all recall his first broadcast on assuming office, but it might be no harm to remind people of some of the things he said in that first speech. He said that, taking it all together, we have been spending at a rate which is simply not justified by the amount of goods and services we are producing and that to make up the difference we have been borrowing enormous amounts of money and borrowing at a rate which just simply cannot continue. That was his attitude in his first broadcast. It is no harm to recall that about this time 12 months ago he said that neither internally nor externally have we been paying our way but that we have been borrowing simply to keep going. That was how he thought 12 months ago. Since the government realised they have been borrowing enormous sums simply to keep going, we would be fully justified in asking what has he done about this problem. At the end of his first year in office he overspent the current account by £547 million and to meet the capital programme he had to borrow £1,217 million. That is equivalent to a typical family increasing its borrowing by £2,500 every year. Surely Mr. Haughey should eat his own words. But the budget projects borrowing for 1981 at no less than £1,296 million. Is it any wonder that the experts and the would-be experts are puzzled and apprehensive about the future? Yet we all know and most people still agree that Mr. Haughey is a smart, intelligent man. But where is all this leading the country? The suggestion by Deputy Dr. FitzGerald was that the only place it is leading us is to the pawn office. Quite a number of people might agree that he is not far wrong. If borrowing continues at this rate there seems to be no alternative. Mr. Haughey is failing——

An Leas Cheann Comhairle

The Taoiseach, please.

I think "Mr. Haughey" will do.

No, it will not. The Taoiseach. That is the rule of the House.

Then we will use both, the Taoiseach, Mr. Haughey. Does that satisfy the chair?

It is not satisfying me. It is satisfying the rules of the House. Also Deputies should be referred to as "Deputy."

The longer we live, the more we learn.

It is time we learned that much.

The Taoiseach, Mr. Haughey, has a failing in that he cannot think things out or follow them through to the end. He can see a solution and prescribe a remedy but he lacks the power, the grit and the determination to see them through. This stems from the fact that he is so concerned with cosmetics and the short term fix that he cannot even take his own advice, never mind anybody else's. The country is drifting and the Government are reluctant or incapable of taking any initiative or any corrective measures to deal with it. So the only remedy that seems to be left would be for the Taoiseach to admit that he is either unable or unwilling to carry out the necessary remedy and decide to let the people, in their wisdom, decide who should take over from him.

I happened to see the Taoiseach on television defending his budget. He had all the appearance of being very sincere and very dedicated to the ideals which he propounds. According to him this budget is a prescription for recovery. He felt that, although the people might criticise it initially and might try hard to condemn it, when they looked at it fully they would realise that he had been sincere and fully determined to put the country in a sound and prosperous position again. Most newspapers have disagreed with this and most people seem to agree with the newspapers. He said he understood that the people would endorse the budget fully. He had an excellent opportunity of putting it to the test only yesterday when Deputy Noel Browne invited him to contest the North Tipperary by-election. This would have been an excellent opportunity for him to see what people thought of his budget. However, the Taoiseach declined this and gave as his reason that if there was an election the elected Deputy would only be in the House about a year at most. I remember by-elections here and general elections called very soon after. In fact that was the case when Deputy Eileen Desmond was elected in a by-election and did not sit before the general election was called. If the Taoiseach had intended to call a general election there could have been no better chance. He could call a by-election and if he were to be successful in that by-election it would certainly give him and his party every incentive and every encouragement to go into a general election. We all know how elated and how delighted Fianna Fáil were as a result of the Donegal by-election. Seeing that that happened in County Donegal, I am sure that a repetition of this in Tipperary——

We are getting away from the budget.

Maybe I am.

We cannot debate a general election on the budget debate.

I am not debating a general election at all.

The Chair must be listening to somebody else.

I am just suggesting a means whereby the Taoiseach could test the popularity of his budget. It would be an excellent way of doing it. If Fianna Fáil were to win a by-election in Tipperary it would be a great addition to winning the Donegal by-election.

The Chair has told the Deputy that he will have to get back to the budget. We had all that debate yesterday and we are not going to have another debate on the by-election.

I am not debating the by-election. I am only saying that the Taoiseach has an excellent opportunity to test the merits or demerits of the budget by contesting the by-election in Tipperary. At least Tipperary would be able to give their verdict on the budget and if he were not satisfied with one constituency's verdict he could call a general election and let the country decide. However the Taoiseach, in his wisdom or otherwise, refrained from taking this opportunity. One is forced to draw the conclusion that being a wise and smart man he felt that at this time there was every chance he would not succeed in either a by-election or a general election.

We have a Minister of State and two Deputies left in this House and to say anything which has not already been said about this budget would require a greater intellect than I possess. The whole concept of debating a budget weeks after it has been introduced and accepted by the population does not carry much weight in parliamentary terms. This is something I have been thinking about for some time.

The Taoiseach was changed on the assumption that the present occupant of the post would be the person who could work an economic miracle. Many Fianna Fáil Deputies realised that things were not as they should be and they felt the present Taoiseach would have a better chance of working an economic miracle than anybody else. That has not happened and it does not appear as if it will.

This House was filled when the Minister for Finance introduced this budget. There was a time when we had an annual budget with specifics laid out for the running of each Department which carried us through the financial year until the introduction of the next year's budget. Times have changed and we have budgets very often. This budget more than likely will not be sufficient to see us through to the end of this year. This reminds me of a story where the ship of State is often portrayed as the Government. This particular ship of State not alone seems to be in difficulty but it seems to have gone on the rocks. I could even go further and say that the captain is unable to communicate with the first mate because of the economic fog which has fallen over the country.

The best summary I heard so far was during the Presidential Inauguration in America when Reverend Mooma announced in verbose terms "Oh God, we need you now more than ever before". The effect of this budget and its interpretation has been criticised by every leader of every organisation of any consequence in the country. It is a dead duck so far as promotion or investment are concerned. One could go through each Department and single out what is wrong, what has gone wrong, and one could legitimately ask for drastic action to be taken to improve the position.

The 1977 manifesto came to my notice again recently. It makes remarkable reading. Page 5, section 2 reads:

Four years of Coalition misrule have left the country in a sorry state.

If one substitutes, "the present Government" for "Coalition" one gets almost the same situation. Paragraph 3 reads:

Unemployment has soared to record levels. There are 160,000 out of work and no jobs for young people leaving schools and colleges.

The same applies to 1981. Paragraph 4 reads:

We have suffered the worst inflation in the EEC. Prices have gone up by almost 100 per cent since the Coalition took office.

This could be rewritten but would not be accepted by an electorate that has become remarkably sophisticated and very intelligent when it comes to sorting out who means what in present-day politics. The present Government went so far as to suggest that unemployment would be reduced to 35,000 or 40,000 people by now. That number can be multiplied by 3.5 and it is still rising. Prices were to come down by 1 per cent in 1977, 2 per cent in 1978 and by a further 2 per cent in 1979. The far-seeing person who wrote this document left 1980 and 1981 blank. This means we could add all these figures together, multiply them by 40 and we would still not come near some of the price increases which have occurred in the past three and a half years. The whole concept of government as envisaged by the people when they gave the present Government this tremendous majority has not seen the light of day and things are in a very sorry state.

I listened to contributions from different Ministers and Opposition Deputies. Each spoke for his own area. Naturally Opposition Deputies decried the state of the Government and called for action and the Ministers defended to the hilt their Departments and tried to present statistics that seemed to imply everything in the garden was rosy when it was not.

Deputy Belton said that the Taoiseach on 9 January 1980 in his first major television broadcast gave what he saw as his major priorities for the running of this country. One could be forgiven for assuming that by now we would have a Thirty-two County Republic, that we would have a thriving and confident agricultural industry, that we would have unemployment down to very acceptable levels and that the rate of inflation would have dropped below that in many of our European countries. This has not happened. The fact that the Government overspent their budget estimates by £200 million last year is indicative of their mismanagement of our economy.

The latest upsurge in the context of Northern Ireland with the pronouncements by Dr. Paisley seem to present better prospects for the Taoiseach in the Twenty-Six Counties. I hope and trust that in the months ahead nothing will distract the people from realising that the real issues that face them are inflation, price increases, unemployment and so on, and that they will not be carried away by any emotional upsurges of the age-old call for a Thirty-Two County Republic, especially at a time of imminent general election.

We had a contribution from the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs. Many people in the Department seem to view the work rate of that Minister and his Minister of State as very high and efficient but the facts in relation to the workability of telephones installed and the telephone system in general do not stand up to examination. I have here a very long letter from a constituent. It is typical of letters that come to public representatives from constituents in the west. The letter describes how in times of emergency the parish priest, the garda and himself have to crank their phones simultaneously in order to make a signal strong enough to contact the local exchange in order to get through to whatever number they are trying to get. He frequently finds that after an ear-piercing whistle the telephone is cut off and he is told to ring back for a test call which possibly never comes through. The man had many questions to put in relation to the quality of sound also. I have read the statistics published by the Department about the direct dialling system. I work upstairs in a room with six other representatives and we have just one outside telephone line and the success rate in an effort to dial Galway or Tuam is nothing like it should be. If we contact the operator we are told about pressure on the lines and that the lines are engaged. It is virtually impossible to make any significant progress in that phone call.

I know that both Ministers have committed themselves to bringing in a high level of technology and sophisticated equipment but I hope that in doing so they will back it up with the necessary trained staff to service it. Many telephones are installed but many do not work and the maintenance people have not sufficient time to carry out the necessary repairs or to maintain all the telephones installed. This constituent also claims that a noise cuts in during a conversation so that he is forced to speak rapidly when the line is clear.

It is not quite in order on the budget to state a whole case for one constituent. The Deputy could raise it on the Estimate.

The letter is typical of letters that come to Oireachtas representatives from the west. This type of thing does not bear out with what the Minister is saying about progress.

We have about 40,000 young people under 25 years out of work. This is a terrible situation especially since the Taoiseach stated that we have a bright, young, intelligent and well-educated population who should be looked after and who should have every opportunity to avail themselves of jobs equal to their aspirations. This is not the case. My county development team produced figures which show that 2,000 jobs per year must be created in County Mayo alone to cater for people under 20 years of age. That has not been achieved and apparently will not be achieved. It will have a bearing on the attitude of many people towards the Government when they have the opportunity to exercise their franchise.

The budget provision for primary schools is also inadequate. The INTO have drawn up a list of substandard schools and have carried out a very vigorous campaign to have repairs carried out. Many of the schools — and some of them not very old — have rotted from their foundations. I do not know if that is because of the lack of quality in the materials used but, whatever the cause, we have many substandard schools. If schools are to be considered an extension of our homes children should not be sent to schools which are far lower in standard than their homes. The Minister for Education and his Department should have another look at the amount of money allocated to the primary sector. Primary teachers must bring children to the level where they have the basics of reading and so on, so that when they progress to second level education they will be able to take on work other than what they had from primary teachers. Primary teachers shoulder an onerous burden of responsibility especially when one considers that pupil-teacher ratios are far too high, particularly in urban schools.

The other night we debated a motion about young people and drink. The increase in the price of drink will have a more serious effect on the numbers drinking than has been estimated by the Government. Publicans say that there was a significant drop in the number of consumers and that this will drop even further during Lent. The Irish Distillers Group published a letter which said that, for example, on a bottle of whiskey costing £9 the Government took over £7 in tax. This is an enormous amount of taxation. Many old age pensioners like to take a drink in the evenings with friends but they will increasingly find it beyond their means to do so. Social welfare benefits were increased by 20 per cent and it is very welcome. Although that is above the inflation rate at present, by this time next year the real value of the increase will not have meant much to an old age pensioner.

In relation to agriculture in the 12 western counties, confidence is at a very low level as farmers feel that they have been sold out. Opportunities for investment on a long-term scale are decreasing and the performance of our farmers will drop as a result. Where there is decreased output, a very unstable market and a lack of guaranteed markets and profits, people will become apathetic. Unless strong leadership is provided and urgent action is taken the performance of small farmers, particularly in the west, will drop to a very unacceptable level.

There are many contradictions in relation to agriculture. For instance, an old age pensioner aged 69, who is a very hard worker with a reasonable number of cows on his farm, applied for an old age pension and was refused point blank. On the one hand the Minister for Agriculture says that they should increase output and get into milk because it is the only way they can compare incomes with people from the southern counties and on the other hand the Minister for Social Welfare says that, if the farmer gives up and sits down and watches television all day with a free licence, he will give him a full pension. That is not right.

The position in relation to industry is serious. There are threatened and actual redundancies in many industries. Even if there are not actual redundancies there is a complete lack of confidence which results in a lowering of the morale of people working in industry. This can have serious consequences for industrial production and for exports. In relation to western development the IDA have done a magnificent job over the last few years. It has not been clearly recognised that foreign industrialists have come here not just because of the pressure and the incentives offered to them by the IDA but because of the potential in western areas to cater adequately for their needs and where a minimum amount of facilities to cater for their industry are needed. This has been proved time and time again by the introduction of highly sophisticated and very welcome industries on a large scale in western counties.

Debate adjourned.
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