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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 14 Jul 1982

Vol. 337 No. 10

Adjournment Debate. - Administration of Housing Grants.

I am grateful for this opportunity to highlight injustice in the administration of housing grants. Many people have been deprived of grants to which they are legitimately entitled. This situation arose due to the withdrawal of reconstruction grants after a certain date. This brought about a flood of applications which led to grave administrative problems in that section of the Department. People are still awaiting grants to which they are entitled. They are receiving the reply from the Department that there is no record of their applications, despite the fact that they made legitimate applications and received acknowledgements from the Department. The Department is in turmoil, and this fact has been brought out at Question Time and during other debates. The Minister must accept that a great effort is needed to straighten out the affairs of his Department in relation to the payment of grants and the necessary inspections.

In order to qualify for a grant, work had to be completed by 30 June 1981, but in many cases the work has not yet been inspected and as a result grants have not been paid. This unsatisfactory position demands drastic action.

In general these grants were applied for by working-class people with small homes who wished to provide the necessary facilities or carry out improvements such as the replacement of windows, the building of chimneys or the replacement of a roof. Many people have not an inside toilet and in some rural areas there are houses which have not even an outside toilet or a bathroom. The grants were also available for the extension of kitchens or the addition of an extra bedroom in the case of large families. These grants were essential to most people who availed of them. In some cases people improved their houses by putting in aluminium windows and building sun porches, but generally the grants were sought for improvements which were absolutely necessary and the people who undertook these works could not have done so unless grants were available.

Tenants of local authority houses had improvements carried out at their own expense with the aid of grants and some, later on, purchased these houses. Grants were applied for to improve the facilities available. These were ordinary people seeking to upgrade their living standards — in most cases these were substandard — and I was surprised that these grants were withdrawn. House improvement grants go back to 1919. It was recognised, even then, that people required help to improve their living standards. These grants continued interruptedly until withdrawn on 21 January 1980. This was a bad decision of the Minister's Government and I, certainly, would not be proud if my party in Government had taken that decision. This withdrawal created the problems experienced by people who have applied for grants ever since. People were notified that they had to apply before 21 January 1980 to receive the grant. Later on, they were notified that if the work was not completed and the Department notified to that effect before 30 June 1981, the grant would not be made available to them.

The crunch of the matter is that the Department accepted applications from these people in an open-ended situation, with no time limit on completion of the work being involved. Many of these people had already applied before notification of withdrawal of grants. They were lulled into a false sense of security that a grant would be available to them when the work was completed. This is a very important factor. Applicants were notified through the media of the time limit. The Minister, when questioned about applicants not being aware of the closing date said that this date was extended twice, the final date being 30 June 1981, that this fact was given considerable publicity in March 1981 and again in June 1981, that large notices were published in all five Sunday newspapers and these facts figured prominently on television and in the news bulletins. Does the Minister consider that adequate notice to people who have applied for grants with no strings attached? Does he believe that everyone reads the Sunday newspapers or, even if people do read them, that they read the advertisements?

If a survey were carried out, it would be found that quite a few people do not read Sunday newspapers and never read advertisements in any newspapers. Many do not listen to news bulletins and follow only sport on television or in the papers. The Department were obliged to inform, by registered post, every applicant who had been accepted that he must notify the Department by 30 June 1981 to qualify for a grant. The people involved were those in the lower income classes who do not pay too much attention to newspapers. These people could not have afforded, without a grant, to carry out reconstruction. They have been put in very dire financial straits by having to borrow the shortfall, on which they are now paying very high interest rates, in addition to the capital.

If the people deprived of these grants came together and challenged the matter in the courts, I do not believe that any judge would give a decision against them. A large number of people have not received the grants and they should take a test case to the courts and challenge this unjust decision. I appeal to the Minister to reconsider this matter. A mistaken decision by the Government has caused this situation and the Minister is directly responsible for depriving these unfortunate people of the grants to which they are entitled. Does the Minister believe that people who are due grants of from £600 to £1,000 would not have applied before 30 June 1981 had they known that it was necessary to do so to receive these grants? I know many of these in Kilkenny city, without having to go outside it, and of a few cases where the work was inspected by a Government inspector but the grant has not yet been paid. That type of case can be contested. The Minister cannot use the fact that he notified these people by newspaper advertisements and television to refuse to pay the grants. I ask the Minister to give serious thought to this and make these grants available.

In regard to the old scheme of grants, the Minister for the Environment announced on 21 January 1980 that they were being terminated as and from 1 February 1980. That appeared in an announcement on the press and was also made on radio. Between that date and 1 February over 40,000 applications were received in my Department. I wish to put it on record that in 1980 and 1981 over 50,000 housing grants of all categories were paid by my Department. The amounts involved were £27 million and £30 million respectively. This was a major achievement and reflects credit on the staff who looked after this scheme which was on a massive scale. The money was provided to do that.

We announced on two occasions that the scheme was being terminated. In March 1981 we announced that the latest date for applications was March 1981. After a request made by Members at Question Time that I have another look at the position, the date was extended to 30 June 1981. We then left office and what happened? The then Minister, Deputy Barry, was asked a Question in December 1981. In reply to Questions Nos. 333 and 335 on 17 December 1981 he said: "Under the housing regulations 1980, as amended ..."— I shall not read the reply as it is well known. In other words, he was satisfied that the extension of the closing date to 30 June 1981 received adequate publicity in March. It featured prominently on radio and television news bulletins and notices were published in the Sunday newspapers. On 14 June 1981 large notices were published in all Sunday newspapers. Accordingly I have no proposals to amend the regulations in regard to this matter.

I quoted Deputy Barry. I am not disputing that.

There was a time limit in respect of the pre-1977 applications. This was enforced by the 1979 Housing Act which was passed by the Oireachtas. In any case where notification of completion was received by 30 June 1981 at least one inspection has been carried out. If on inspection the work was not completed payment could not be made.

I wish to answer some of the serious allegations which were made as far as the staff in my Department are concerned. At Question Time Deputy Fitzpatrick said that files were burned and lost in my Department. He said yesterday evening that people who were entitled to grants were robbed of them. That was the word that was used. Deputy Quinn was also here and I asked him if he would give me some of his time. However, I did not have enough time to go into it in detail. He endorsed my remarks. This is a serious matter. Human nature being what it is, no-one is perfect but I am satisfied about one thing: the officials in my Department and in other Departments do their job to the best of their ability. There may be human error. I am not a perfectionist but I do the best I can. I assure the House that I have asked the grants section since I returned to office a few months ago to see what new arrangements can be made to streamline the work of the section. That is under way at present. Indexing and so on will be computerised. I have also made other changes which I hope will help us to get information more quickly.

In regard to grants which, for one reason or another, could not be paid, my officials brought a number of files over here and explained to representatives both here and in the Seanad exactly what the position was and why the grants could not be paid. I have nothing to hide and I will not hide anything. When I returned to the Department I took over a Mickey Mouse of a reconstruction scheme. I altered it to include repairs to the fabric of the house. I know that Deputy Crotty is a reasonable and honourable man.

Thank you.

Applications came to my Department at a rate of between 550 and 650 a week. That was the situation since I amended the scheme.

Would the Minister agree that people should have been notified by post?

We thought and I have no doubt judging by the response to the announcement made on 1 January 1980 when over 40,000 applications were received——

The Minister has not answered my question.

As regards the old grant scheme, 2,000 applicants claimed after 30 June. I do not know how many of them would have been eligible had they claimed it before then. I was of the opinion as was my predecessor, that the notification we gave was adequate and I am led to believe——

People can make mistakes.

——that Fine Gael agreed with the line I took in the Department.

The Dáil adjourned at 9 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 15 July 1982.

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