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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 23 Mar 1983

Vol. 341 No. 4

Private Members' Business . - Agricultural Development: Motion (Resumed) .

The following motion was moved by Deputy Noonan (Limerick West) on 22 March 1983:
That Dáil Éireann calls on the Government to restore the funds recently withdrawn in respect of aids and services for farming development and to lift its suspension on the Farm Modernisation Scheme immediately.
Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:
To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute:
"supports the measures being taken by the Government, within the limits imposed by budgetary constraints, to provide the economic conditions in which the agricultural industry can increase output and farmers' incomes will be raised."
—(Minister for Agriculture.)

: I would like to re-state my support for the motion proposed last night so eloquently by my colleague, Deputy Noonan. He is a man of knowledge of the farming scene, having served in the farm organisations as President of Macra na Feirme and he has been also a practising farmer all his life. Therefore, he must know the practicalities of farming in detail. This practical and intimate knowledge of agriculture and his experience with the farm organisations give him the qualities necessary to make a good Front Bench spokesman and very soon an excellent Minister for Agriculture. Last night Deputy Noonan was referred to as a hurler on the ditch. I suggest that a hurler on the ditch is far better than a teacher on the ditch. In this case the hurler happens to be a farmer.

Deputy Noonan outlined in detail many reasons for Dáil Éireann to call on the Government to restore funding which was recently withdrawn from agriculture in respect of aids and services for farming development. He also put an excellent case for lifting immediately the suspension of the farm modernisation scheme. I hope I will strengthen the case still further for reverting to the Fianna Fáil policy on agriculture, which always has been one of recognition of the contribution of farming and agriculture to the economy, and of the potential of agriculture in our economy with proper support and encouragement.

Everyone here will accept that agriculture can grow much more and faster if we steer the proper course. This growth will stimulate our ailing economy by injections of finance as a result of exports and the creation of much-needed employment. We have heard already that more than one-third of our exports — 40 per cent — are agricultural, and that the export of agricultural goods is far more profitable than ordinary exports because the import content is practically nil. Our greatest asset is still that six inches of soil. This fact is not recognised by this or previous Coalition Governments.

Let us briefly contrast the attitude of the two Governments — Fianna Fáil who have been in power for 40 of the last 50 years, and the Coalition who, by default or otherwise, spent ten years in Government. Agriculture has grown enormously with great investment and development taking place. The only periods of stunted growth were when the Coalition Governments were in power. In 1974 when a farmer went to the mart in the hope of selling one calf no bid was made. There were many instances of farmers returning home with two or more calves in their trailers. The price of calves was such that farmers were literally giving them away. This situation came about because of sheer ignorance and carelessness on the part of the Coalition at a time which should have been our most beneficial years in the EEC. The advantages which were there for the taking were thrown to the wind.

In 1981 a conglomeration of Fine Gael, Labour and Jim Kemmy formed a Coalition Government, until Jim dropped them like a hot bun in January 1982. What was their performance in relation to agriculture? It was one of downgrading. They were only minutes in office when the then Minister for Agriculture, Deputy Dukes, announced cuts of 5 per cent in the farm modernisation scheme and decided to discontinue the mobile equipment grants entirely. From that date to this the agricultural service industry of farm machinery has deteriorated very significantly. I was taking to a dealer today who told me he sold 78 tractors in 1978 but last year he sold 13 and this trend will continue. The trend of lessening interest in agriculture continued until that Government's real Taoiseach, Jim Kemmy, decided to pull the plug on that fateful January day, and that Government refused to update the costing of the farm modernisation scheme. Those costings were not updated by Deputy Dukes.

The present Coalition Government were only hours in office when they brought down the guillotine on agriculture. The farm modernisation scheme was scrapped and they tell us it will be reintroduced in the autumn. The only way that will happen is if Fianna Fáil are back in power, and the way things are going that is a strong possibility. Never have I seen so much unrest among farmers. When the next election comes the Minister will get his answer from them. I believe this Government have no intention of reintroducing this scheme. Their ploy is to soften the blow to the farmers. My suspicions were enhanced last night when the Minister for Agriculture refused to answer definitely when I asked if the scheme was to be reintroduced in the autumn. He dithered and then said smartly that no politician ever gives a definite commitment. I would change that slightly and say that no politician in a corner ever gives a commitment, and that Minister is in several corners.

The Minister said when the schemes are with us a while change is no harm, and then suggested a review would be desirable. That is a weak argument. Surely we do not scrap a scheme when we are reviewing it, but that is exactly what is happening. To all intents and purposes this scheme is being scrapped.

This Government have decided to tax all farmers knowing full well that at least two-thirds of them do not have a taxable income. For the first time they introduced a VAT rate on farm diesel oil. They have increased VAT on contracting charges. They have decided to close the five farm home advisory colleges and to impose massive charges on farm development for planning permissions. The other Coalition Governments were bad but this one in their first 100 days in office have proved to be an absolute disaster.

On the other hand, Fianna Fáil always redressed the imbalance in agriculture on our return to Government. In February 1982 we restored the farm modernisation scheme to its original level and reintroduced the mobile equipment grants. We prepared a four-year plan having heard the voice of farming. Then we negotiated the £100 million loan for farmers to increase the national herd. On our return to Government we will recognise agriculture as our greatest resource. We will nurture it back to a stage where the country, the economy and the people will benefit.

It is hard to understand why Fine Gael as a partner in Government ignore the plight of the farmer. It is hard to understand why they insult their supporters by removing aids and services which yielded handsome dividends and massive returns to the Exchequer. On the other hand, the Labour Party, or what is left of it, the other party in Government, is much easier to understand. Labour had to be paid off in some fashion for voting for the Social Welfare Bill even though every constituency council of the Labour Party advised against this. The Labour Party make no apology for their anti-farmer approach. Indeed, one of their leading members called for a nationalisation of all lands. The farmer will have to suffer on while these partners share Government.

The Minister last night questioned figures which Deputy Noonan gave as part of his argument. Deputy Noonan claimed that £147 million would be taken out of agriculture as a result of the budget. As always our figures are accurate and of course, now that all farmers are in the tax net, there is an obligation on them to give a proven statement of income which means they will have to employ an auditor at a cost of an expected £400 per farmer. This alone is a massive withdrawal from agriculture. Conservative estimates give a figure in excess of £40 million. This will be no advantage to the State but the Labour Party will be happy.

I should like now to quote from the Irish Farmers Monthly of March 1983. Under the heading “Cuts in Agricultural Expenditure” it says:

(a) Suspension of grants under the Farm Modernisation Scheme, £10.3 million.

(b) Abolishing group fodder scheme, guidance premiums, mobile equipment grants and farm account grants, £2.5 million.

(c) Suspension of Farm Retirement Scheme, £1.0 million.

(d) Suspension of Boyle and Dunkellin drainage schemes, £2.5 million.

(e) Phasing out of ACOT services — Farm Home Management/Poultry / Amenity Horticultural Services, £0.5 million.

(f) Abolishing Wool Council, £0.06 million.

(g) Closing Munster Institute, £0.027 million.

(h) Restriction of National 5% Interest Subsidy Scheme, £2.0 million.

(i) Reduction in Disease Eradication Hardship Fund, £1.85 million.

(j) Reduction in income limit under the disadvantaged areas scheme, £0.5 million.

(k) Abolishing Bull licensing, £0.134 million.

Total £21.371 million.

On "Farm Taxation" it says:

(a) 1983 Income Tax yield as estimated by Government will increase from £24 million in 1982 to £47 million in 1983. £23 million.

(b) 1% Income Levy. This levy will apply to farmers gross incomes which amounted to £940 million in 1982. £9.4 million.

(c) Youth Employment Levy. This levy has been in existence since 1982 and applies to all income and farmers therefore come within the net. It is based on a rate of 1% of gross income. £9.4 million.

Total £41.8 million.

Under "Services" it reads:

(a) Increased inspection fees at export meat factories on live cattle exports at dairy premises £1.0 million.

(b) Fees for visits by ACOT and Farm Development Services under the Farm Modernisation Scheme. £1.5 million.

Total £2.5 million.

Under "Inflation Impact" it reads:

The budget will contribute 4% to the consumer price index, or in other words result in a 4% increase in the inflation rate. It has been estimated that each 1% in inflation adds £10 million to farmer costs.

Total due to inflation £40.0 million.

Later on it reads:

The following summarises the total cost of the budget to the farming sector.

Expenditure cuts

£21.371 million

Income Tax and Levies

£41.8 million

Charges for Services

£2.5 million

Inflation impact

£40.0 million

Accountants Fees

£20.0 million

Total

£125.671 million

These were the figures we offered last night and since they come from the Irish Farmers Monthly I take it that all Members of the House would accept them as being accurate particularly as they have not been rejected by the Government to date.

The Minister for Finance, Deputy Dukes, said in 1977 that investment in agriculture yielded a 14 per cent bonus. If this is applied to the withdrawal of £1.47 million from agriculture it will demonstrate the massive losses to our economy. The Minister is probably sorry that he ever said that.

I would like to challenge the Minister to put forward figures that would contradict those we have produced or else to admit that he knew absolutely nothing about such figures when he was talking last night.

The Irish Farmers Monthlyis representative of the farming view whether the farmers are big or small. It says again in the March issue:

It is amazing to see a Government abandoning the grant for farm accounts when farming is emerging from the most serious economic recession ever. One of the main features to emerge from this recession was the lack of financial management on farms, and the necessity for the monitoring of their farming and financial activities by way of farm accounts was never more needed.

The suspension of the farm retirement scheme is a clear indication that the Government has abandoned the whole concept of structural reform in agriculture and has reduced any possibility of any land mobility in the future. There is no doubt that the farm retirement scheme needed to be updated by an increase in the level of grants offered, but abandoning it is effectively turning their back on land structural reform, which was one of the major disappointments of Irish agriculture in the first decade in the EEC.

I am glad that here tonight we have the Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture, Deputy Connaughton, who claims that he is proposing massive changes in land mobility and land structure generally. I now challenge him to come forward with his ideas and to tell us how the scrapping of the Farm Retirement Scheme will be of any benefit to his proposals. The Irish Farmers Monthly says:

The inclusion of farm drainage under the Farm Modernisation Scheme clearly demonstrates the Government's lack of understanding of the current situation in Irish agriculture. In 1982 there was an estimated 5.8 million livestock units in the country, while the stock carrying capacity of Irish land at low levels of nitrogen use is estimated at 8 million livestock units. So, therefore, this clearly demonstrates that land quality is not a constraint on increased agricultural output as we are at only 70 per cent of the national average grazing capacity of the country at the present time.

That is one of the main reasons why our party had proposed to raise a £100 million loan in order to increase the national herd.

The reduction in the disease eradication hardship fund demonstrates the Government's lack of commitment to disease eradication and their unwillingness to help farmers in serious trouble due to TB or brucellosis. In 1982 there were 43,000 full-time farmers in the tax net. As a result of the raising of the threshold there are now an extra 80,000 full-time farmer in the tax net and an additional 50,000 part-time farmers. Farmers paid an estimated £34 million in tax in 1982. The amount due in rates would have been £18 million. However farmers withheld the rates because of the pending PLV case in the High Court which subsequently ruled that the system was unconstitutional. Very few farmers therefore paid rates in 1982.

In his budget statement the Minister said the removal of the threshold would result in an increase of about £2.5 million in farm taxation in 1983. This is a blatant misleading of the public and the Dáil. It can be clearly shown that farmers will pay an additional £23 million in income tax in 1983 as against 1982 if he, as he states, expects a total income of £47 million in the total income tax yield from farmers this year. However, this figure could be much higher when the income tax from farming is taken into account from those engaged in part-time farming. The Minister may like to contradict these statements made by me, statements backed up by the Irish Farmers Monthly.

I would like now to go on to the farm modernisation scheme and deal briefly with the effects of that scheme. Investment aids, grants for investment in farm buildings and fixed equipment are suspended until further notice. Farmers issued with approvals by the farm development service for development work on or before 9 February are not affected by the suspension. Guidance premiums for development farmers are terminated. Farmers whose plans include guidance premiums approved on or before 9 February are not affected. I do not accept the Minister's comment last night that this scheme has been an unnecessary one. Grants to development farmers for mobile equipment are terminated. Approval issued by the farm development service on or before 9 February are not affected. Likewise, with this scheme I believe the intention was that the scheme would be an incentive to farmers to keep machinery in a reasonable state. All the surveys carried out by many county committees of agriculture will show farm machinery at this stage at an all-time low. We have yet to see the results of that policy.

Under the interest subsidy scheme for existing applicants under the national interest subsidy scheme, aid will be limited to a subsidy on the interest due for one year only. With regard to charges for farm visits, a charge will be introduced for the first time for farm visits by the Department of Agriculture and ACOT staff in connection with the farm modernisation scheme. This charge will be implemented by way of a deduction from grants which are payable under the farm modernisation scheme. This charge, I understand, will affect all works for which approvals were made before 9 February.

Here I should like to challenge the Minister once again on something he said last night. He told us two visits would be sufficient to accommodate all grant projects. I would like to tell him now, as a farmer and as one who has gone through all this business on many occasions, that in a drainage project an inspector would have to call on at least six occasions. My figures would suggest then that it will cost £120. I appeal again to the Minister to make himself aware of the situation, to listen to farmers and not to lend his ear too rigidly to the Department because the person on the ground who has gone through the mill will know more than anybody else.

I am absolutely disgusted with this Government in their decision to close the five farm home advisory colleges. These colleges prepare girls interested in agriculture for farming. This preparation has proved to be a wonderful success. At least 50 per cent of those trained in such colleges went back to farming. That is surely proof of how successful these colleges were. It is recognised now that a farmer's wife has a vitally important role to play. Everyone will accept that two heads are better than one and the more educated a wife is the better it will be for that particular farmer and, overall the better for the country.

I appeal to all members to support our motion. I believe it will help to save the economy instead of sending it in a reverse direction.

: First of all, I apologise to the House for a very bad head cold. I would be very sorry not to be in a position to-night to reply to some of the points made by Deputy Byrne. Yesterday evening the Minister outlined the position in which we found ourselves on last budget day. Anybody who forgets what went before that, particularly in the preceding five or six years, is living in cloud-cuckoo land. There were things done in the budget that most did not like. There are things done in most budgets that people do not like. This was a particularly hard budget but there was not a man or woman in Fine Gael, in Labour or in Fianna Fáil who did not know in their hearts that it was time someone stood up and took the country by the scruff of the neck and decided to do the sort of thing Fianna Fáil should have done in 1977, could have done, but certainly did not do. They went for the soft option and we found ourselves in the years coming up to this budget in a position in which we had borrowed out of hand. If there was a crisis we ran for additional foreign borrowing and we wound up in an utterly untenable situation. We just could not continue because of the grip of that huge foreign deficit.

There are certain things that must be cleared up here. We are in the grip of a vice at the moment. Indeed some of the things I heard from Fianna Fáil last night and again tonight would not lead me to believe that a return of Fianna Fáil, however unlikely that might be, would be a good thing for our farmers. Yesterday evening Deputy Byrne said that Fine Gael always had good support from the farming community. There was a practical reason for that and Deputy Byrne knows that well. That support is very likely to continue. In the years 1978, 1979 and 1980 farmers' incomes fell by 40 per cent in real terms. What happened? There were deputations and pleas to the Minister for Finance at the time, Deputy MacSharry. We had a particularly bad summer in 1980. The depression in agricultural circles then was five times worse than it is today but after many hours of bargaining with Fianna Fáil we succeeded in getting a subsidy of £20 on one ton of nitrogen. That is all that came from Fianna Fáil in those very bad times. Because of the budget deficit being so high we were forced into taking measures that would enable us to pay off the international bankers but at the same time we are ensuring that we do not impede agricultural production. We all know that the land of Ireland is the only real asset we have.

: The Minister is not behaving as if that were the case.

: Neither is the Deputy; he must control himself.

: Fianna Fáil have been in office in this State for longer than any other party but we are now no better off than we were on the day we joined the EEC. At that stage most people, including myself, thought that our membership would be a launching pad that would open up new horizons for us. We looked forward to the various EEC aids and to not being confined to the cheap food policy of the British market. My party have been in office, too, during some of the past decade but we have not succeeded in making the progress that we would have liked to make and we now have the greatest debt we have ever had. Consequently, we must ensure that we get value for every pound of taxpayers' money we decide to invest in any sector. Certain cutbacks, however unpalatable, had to be made in agriculture as in all other Departments, but we have minimised the hardship and are giving a chance of extra production. I will refer later to the positive steps that the Government are taking and will take in the near future.

All farmers should have a detailed look at the Farm Modernisation Scheme. There was a budgetary decision to suspend farm modernisation grants and this will result in a saving this year of £10.3 million. We may not be getting the best value for money invested in farm buildings. As a farmer, Deputy Byrne will understand what I am talking of. Many farmers in the past ten years have embarked on huge capital building programmes but they have found out at the end of the day that in order to qualify for grants very big investment is required. One might argue that the buildings erected were too elaborate. An important factor was the failure to achieve the expected increase in stock numbers and farmers found themselves in great difficulty as a result of their borrowings. In any new programme of grants account will have to be taken first of the actual cost involved and, most important, of the size of the investment that any farm can carry. From the Exchequer point of view we will have to consider the question of the value that we get for the money invested. Down through the years sufficient notice was not taken of the problem of out-wintering cattle. Successive Governments seem to have turned a blind eye to this problem. It is not sufficient to say that there were grants for slatted cattle houses. Everybody in the agricultural area realises that for most small farmers the cost of these buildings is prohibitive. Recently I was informed that 70 per cent of all store cattle in the north-west are out-wintered.

: The Minister is contradicting what he said earlier. He is talking a lot of rubbish.

: The Deputy is out of order. The Minister must be allowed to continue without interruption.

: The grants have been taken away by this Government.

: The Deputy has just arrived on the scene. He must conduct himself.

: We must examine closely the type of building in respect of which grants will be payable. By the autumn of this year the Government will be in a position to introduce a very imaginative grant system for the benefit of farmers.

: Is that a definite commitment?

: I make no apology for doing a good job. There is a commitment to bring back grants in the late autumn and I am confident that that commitment will be honoured.

: What about those people who embarked on programmes in the past few years under the Farm Modernisation Scheme?

: If the Deputy persists in misbehaving there are steps I can take to deal with the situation.

: The Minister knows nothing of agriculture.

: The Deputy must conduct himself.

: I know at least as much about agriculture as Deputy O'Keeffe knows. It has been found necessary to suspend the grants relating to the guidance premia. These relate to farm accounts and mobile equipment. Not very many farmers took part in the guidance premia arrangement. In principle the scheme appeared to be all right but, as every rural Deputy knows, it was extremely difficult for farmers to qualify and it took a good deal of time and effort on the part of the staff involved at all levels to put the scheme through. This was because of the amount of red tape involved. I am not sure who was responsible for negotiating that scheme but it involved too much red tape.

There are a number of factors in relation to agriculture that the people opposite have failed to refer to so far. Let us concentrate for a moment on the western package. The budget will not hinder in any way the grants in respect of drainage in the west. There is a backlog of applications for participation in the western drainage scheme. This backlog has been building up for the past 12 to 18 months. There is a survey in progress for the purpose of determining how much land in this category is in a limbo situation. When the survey has been completed we will estimate how much money would be required to continue the programme.

I should like everyone to be aware that there are grants of 40 per cent available under the western package which up to now have not been utilised. The western package that was negotiated about two years ago has not seen the light of day. One wonders why, after all the negotiations that were involved, this package was not properly sold. One might say that most people were not aware until the past couple of months of what the package contained. The western package is basically a pre-development scheme for farmers who are not in the development category. There is a wideranging scale of grants for farm buildings and so on and the package does not exclude totally dairy farming because certain farmers with a certain number of cows would be eligible for participation in the scheme. In addition, there are land reclamation grants under the Farm Modernisation Scheme and there are other services and funds involved in the western package to the extent of £300 million over a ten-year period for the development of agriculture. Included are such services as roads, water supplies and electricity. Aid is also being provided for agricultural marketing and processing, agricultural training and forestry development. Farmers anxious to avail of these grants should contact their ACOT advisors who have the appropriate application forms.

: Will it cost them £20 to get them?

: Not particularly. Another item under the western package, the calf to beef scheme, has never been promoted and I wonder why. Under that scheme a farmer would be entitled to get what amounts to an interest-free loan of £100 per animal provided he rears calves from calf to beef. That scheme can be promoted with success in certain areas. I accept that there are certain areas in the west where it will not catch on but it will prove successful elsewhere. There are three types of land improvement grants under the package, the division of commonages, mountain and hill pasture and low land reclamation. Those important aspects were not referred to in the course of the debate. Farmers should acquaint themselves about the schemes that are available.

In the budget the VAT rebate for farmers is to be increased from 1.8 to 2.3 per cent. That represents about £10 million for farmers and offsets the extra VAT they will have to pay on inputs.

: There is a net loss to farmers of £10 million and the total cost to the farming community will be £29 million.

: I will not tolerate this disorderly conduct by Deputy O'Keeffe. I should like to remind the Deputy that I have a means of dealing with him. The Deputy is being disorderly and does not have much respect for the Chair. If the Deputy wishes to contribute he may do so when the Minister has concluded. If the Deputy does not resume his seat and conduct himself he will have to be dealt with in another way.

: I cannot tolerate this type of talk.

: Stock relief rate is being continued for farmers paying income tax at 110 per cent. The oil arrangement for those involved in the glasshouse industry is also being continued. Although we are in difficult economic times the Government saw fit to make a special allocation in the form of an AI subsidy and lime subsidy. They were not included in Fianna Fáil's Book of Estimates. Fianna Fáil should tell the farmers why they decided that there should be dearer lime and AI charges. The Government are providing £93,000 to ACOT to assist the agricultural college at Ballinafad, County Mayo, because they believe that it is important to have an extra college in the west. That college ran out of money and this caring Government ensured that they got their requirements for this year.

: And yet the Government closed girls' colleges.

: Deputy Byrne said the Coalition, like the last one, does not care for the farming community. He accused us of bringing in legislation that would be against the farming community only hours after we took office. Deputy Noonan declared on one occasion that Deputy Lenihan when he was Minister for Agriculture brought home the greatest single price package from Brussels in 1982. Percentage-wise the Deputy was correct but it must be remembered that inflation in Ireland in that year was the highest it has ever been. No matter how one wriggles the figures around one cannot say that the farming community were compensated last year. Our inflation rate is being brought under control and the percentage increase that will be gained by our Minister in Brussels will prove to be good compensation.

Some years ago Fianna Fáil introduced a 2 per cent levy on production, a peculiar move for a party that claims to be concerned about the farming community but, if I remember correctly, that levy had to be withdrawn. Deputy Byrne also mentioned that we had decided to cease the hardship payments under the bovine TB eradication scheme but he did not explain to the House that for the first time since 1977 the Government provided an extra £3 million to increase the reactor grant. It is important to note that £95 was added to the value of certain animals. That was long overdue and I am surprised farmers had to wait until now to get that assistance.

: A Coalition Government was the cause of that disease; the vet strike.

: The former Minister for Agriculture in Portumna announced that there would be greater grants but he did not go through with that. One of the important factors as far as agricultural production is concerned will be our ability to get land mobility under way. Little progress has been made in this regard. We have had reports, meetings, seminars and surveys but all proposals finished on the dusty shelf. The Government are in the process of tackling that huge problem. If we are to get a reasonable return from our farms we must ensure that farmers are given every chance either as owners or as lessees. Some years ago an attempt was made to initiate land leasing. The farm retirement pension scheme did not work for a variety of reasons. It has been suspended but I have no doubt that if it is reintroduced in a way that will encourage elderly people to accept it it will represent a good day's work. Without mobility of land agriculture will not reach its peak and that is why I am supporting efforts to organise a scheme to encourage farmers to get involved in a retirement pension scheme. There is also a great future for short-and medium-term land leasing and land rearrangement. We have many problems of fragmentation and so on.

This Government have taken the type of steps which had to be taken, given the position in which we find ourselves. Farmers will see this budget for what it is — a genuine effort to set the ship of State on the right course while continuing the work of increasing production on the land. The Government will be seen in that light. The Opposition would have us think that nothing was done for Irish agriculture other than by a Fianna Fáil Government. Over the years there would have been much greater production and we would have had much higher livestock figures if the Fianna Fáil contribution had been even half as good as Deputy Byrne would have us believe. Who takes the blame for the buffeting suffered by farmers in the 1978-80 period?

The measures taken by this Government will be seen as sensible efforts to ensure increased production. During the next few years we will give the necessary leadership to the agricultural sector. When we go to the nation at the next election in four-and-a-half years' time our policies will be seen to have been right. There are difficult times ahead but our priorities are right and we will achieve increased production. Given the necessary time to implement the policies I have outlined I will have every confidence in standing before the farmers in a thriving agricultural economy.

: I support the motion. I am amazed that the Government have put down an amendment asking the Dáil to support the measures they are taking. We have not heard what those measures are. The Minister for Finance stated in his budget speech his intention to cut State spending on agriculture by £14 million and that farmers would pay an extra £23 million in income tax. These are not measures designed to help agriculture. The Government are completely anti-farmer. The farm modernisation scheme which was so important to farmers has been suspended in order to save £10.3 million. This and other schemes have been funded by the EEC and I would ask the Minister to tell us how much money we are losing because of the suspension of the scheme. These EEC funds helped not only the farmers but the nation generally. When will the Minister be in a position to tell us how much money we are losing in EEC funds? He told us last night that he was not a hurler on the ditch but would tell us the facts.

The Minister also told us last night that there was no outcry against this Government but the Munster President of the IFA, Mr. Michael Slattery, stated in last week's edition of the Farmers Journal that he and the farming sector are very sceptical about the Government's commitment to agriculture, which has seen a 50 per cent drop in income since 1978. This is a very clear criticism of the Government. Mr. Slattery went on to say that a measly £0.5 million was saved by reducing the off-farm income eligibility limit for headage payments from £5,400 to £3,500. The Minister knows very well that this is a very severe blow to farmers in the west. It means that farmers who have had to get off-farm employment will not qualify for any headage payments. That is not an incentive to farmers to increase livestock numbers.

The Minister for Agriculture also said last night that he did not favour a levy because it would be a form of taxation. Is it not the fact that the £20 farm visit fee by Department staff is a form of taxation? It is an extra cost on top of the income tax which the Minister for Finance states all farmers will have to pay. It is a levy of the worst sort which will save the Department £1.5 million but which will also have the effect of breaking down the very good relationship which exists between Department staff and farmers. The costings which are being used for grants under the farm modernisation scheme are out of date, so there is a double blow. The grants have fallen behind and now there is an extra charge for a farm visit.

Another cutback will save £2 million on the national interest subsidy scheme. The only good news in the budget was that there would be an increase of £3 million in reactor grants but even that news was clouded by the announcement that there would be a saving of £1.85 million in the hardship fund.

We should also consider what other Minister are doing. We hear that they are making more severe cuts than the Minister for Agriculture. The Minister for the Environment has imposed a minimum fee of £40 for planning applications in respect of farm building. That charge will increase by £1.75 for every square foot over 400 sq. ft. The Minister for Social Welfare has said that all small farmers will be assessed by a means test and that the notional system will be abolished. Some years ago the Minister of State, Deputy Connaughton, was a Member of the Seanad and he told the House that Fianna Fáil intended to abolish the farmers' dole. It is ironic that it is his Government who are abolishing the notional system.

: The Deputy should confine himself to the motion which concerns the funds recently withdrawn in respect of aids and services for farm development.

: The farmers' dole is an income supplement which is now being withdrawn by the Government because the notional system is being abolished.

: I would ask the Deputy to go back to the motion.

: The Minister for Finance has also stated that all farmers will be included in the income tax net.

: Please confine yourself to the motion. The Deputy may raise that matter during the budget debate if he wishes. I would be very grateful for his co-operation. I would ask him to confine himself to the concept of the motion.

: I am talking about funds.

: I am talking about the motion.

: I am talking about funds which farmers are losing. I hope that the backlog of work concerning the western drainage scheme and arterial drainage schemes will be processed quickly. I hope the House will accept our motion so that these funds will be restored. If the Government continue in this way they will cause great hardship to farmers and destroy their confidence.

(Limerick West): Unfortunately, half an hour was taken from our time. I am not blaming you. It was due to circumstances outside everybody's control. My colleagues have referred to what the Minister for Agriculture said last night. I will go into a few things he said and how he misinformed the House.

I was very disappointed to hear what the Minister of State said this evening because I always regarded him as a good practical farmer who had forthright views. He spoke for 25 minutes and did not say anything. He had not any positive thinking for agriculture development. I do not blame him because he has been working under constraints. It was not really the Minister of State who was talking but a section of the Government who have, unfortunately, been manipulated by the Labour Party. I want the Minister of State to be his own man and come out fearlessly on behalf of the farmers as he did in the past.

The Minister of State spoke about disease eradication and said his approach was positive. He knows this was in our Programme for Government. I cannot reconcile the Minister of State's disposal of reactors with his Government's reduction of the allocation for disease eradication by £1.5 million. It is not possible to reconcile one with the other. He also spoke about the agriculture college at Ballinafad. He very conveniently omitted to say who financed this college initially. It was the Fianna Fáil Government when Deputy MacSharry was Minister for Finance. Deputy Hugh Byrne said colleges which are essential to the development of domestic economy are being closed.

The Minister for Agriculture deliberately misinformed the House during the debate yesterday evening. I said yesterday:

Under Directive 159 the suspension of the Farm Modernisation Scheme is contrary to the terms of the Treaty of Rome and I understand the Commission have written to the Government asking for reasons why the scheme was suspended ... The action of the Minister for Finance in suspending the Farm Modernisation Scheme will put the Minister for Agriculture at a disadvantage when he is negotiating prices, when it will be seen that our Government have not the political will to provide the necessary capital to invest in agriculture.

The Minister replied as follows:

Deputy Noonan alleged that we were being severely censured by the EEC for having suspended portion of the Farm Modernisation Scheme. I do not know where he got that information. He may have seen it in a newspaper, but we all know you cannot believe everything you read in a newspaper.

He then stated:

We have heard no objection from the EEC regarding the suspension of portion of the Farm Modernisation Scheme. In fact, we informed them of what we had done and there was no reaction.

The Minister's reply is either gross ignorance of the EEC dimension of his portfolio or else he deliberately tried to mislead the House. He should know that Directive 159 obliges all member states to operate a system of selective incentives to farms suitable for development. The Government's decision to suspend capital grants for farm buildings and fixed assets and to terminate grants for mobile equipment, farm accounts and the beef and sheep guidance premium effectively leaves farmers without any modernisation scheme as required under Directive 159.

The EEC Commission, contrary to what the Minister claimed in the House, requested an explanation from the Government regarding the suspension of the Farm Modernisation Scheme. Furthermore, the Government in the last few days sent a memorandum which was accompanied by a belated request for derogation. The Commission have informed the Government that this matter will be discussed by the standing committee on structures in the European Commission, whose job it is to decide — the Minister should know this — if the decision taken by the Government was in conformity with the legislative framework within Directive 159. I understand that the Commission are taking a very dim view of the Government's action and may seek to restore the scheme in its original form.

I want to emphasise how the Minister for Agriculture misled the House yesterday evening. I want it written into the record of the House that if this is the approach of the Minister for Agriculture, either through lack of knowledge of his portfolio or through deliberately misleading the House, I am afraid it is a sorry day for Irish agriculture that this Minister was appointed. From what I know and hear I may be enlarging on what I have to say about him in due course. This may be only the tip of the iceberg as far as I am concerned.

I criticised yesterday and there is no point in doing that without giving an alternative. My colleagues have also given alternatives. How can our farmers face the future with confidence when the Government, who are cobbled together, are deserting rural Ireland? This has been proved time and time again by the discontinuance of the various schemes which have been outlined.

When Fianna Fáil are returned to Government we will create a favourable environment for the development of agriculture — we were doing that when we left office in December — by lowering inflation and bringing down interest rates. We will expand the national breeding herd by arranging a £100 million Euro-loan at low interest rates. This was abolished by the Coalition Government. We will restore the Farm Modernisation Scheme, as we have already outlined. We will increase the financial allocation to ACOT to enable them to support the development of agriculture leading to exports and increased jobs.

I feel, with so much unemployment at the present time, that the only hope and the only way we can reduce unemployment figures, is to create jobs allied to agriculture. As spokesman for agriculture for our party, I will be working on that. When we have the next election we will have our policies outlined with regard to job creation in other industries based on agriculture.

We will steadfastly resist any undermining of the basic principles of the Common Agriculture Policy when we are back in office. I have no confidence in the Minister for Agriculture resisting any such undermining. Our record in Brussels, notwithstanding what the Minister of State said, was an excellent one. We know Brussels is a tough bargaining place and our achievements have been noteworthy indeed. There seems to be a belittling by the Government of the contributions of farmers to the national economy. Let this message go forth from here to all those directly or indirectly involved in farming: do not lose heart; we will shortly return to Government and will lose no time restoring confidence to the industry. We will bring back the day when once again farming will be an acceptable career.

Question put: "That the amendment be made."
The Dáil divided: Tá, 81; Níl, 71.

  • Allen, Bernard.
  • Barnes, Monica.
  • Barrett, Seán.
  • Barry, Myra.
  • Barry, Peter.
  • Begley, Michael.
  • Bermingham, Joe.
  • Birmingham, George Martin.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burke, Liam.
  • Carey, Donal.
  • Cluskey Frank.
  • Collins, Edward.
  • Conlon, John F.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Cooney, Patrick Mark.
  • Cosgrave, Liam T.
  • Cosgrave, Michael Joe.
  • Coveney, Hugh.
  • Creed, Donal.
  • Crotty, Kieran.
  • Crowley, Frank.
  • D'Arcy, Michael.
  • Deasy, Martin Austin.
  • Desmond, Barry.
  • Desmond, Eileen.
  • Donnellan, John.
  • Dowling, Dick.
  • Doyle, Avril.
  • Doyle, Joe.
  • Dukes, Alan.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • Enright, Thomas W.
  • Farrelly, John V.
  • Fennell, Nuala.
  • FitzGerald, Garret.
  • Flaherty, Mary.
  • Flanagan, Oliver J.
  • Glenn, Alice.
  • Griffin, Brendan.
  • Harte, Patrick D.
  • Hegarty, Paddy.
  • Hussey, Gemma.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Keating, Michael.
  • Kelly, John.
  • Kenny, Enda.
  • L'Estrange, Gerry.
  • McCartin, Joe.
  • McGahon, Brendan.
  • McGinley, Dinny.
  • McLoughlin, Frank.
  • Manning, Maurice.
  • Mitchell, Gay.
  • Mitchell, Jim.
  • Molony, David.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Naughten, Liam.
  • Nealon, Ted.
  • Noonan, Michael.
  • (Limerick East).
  • O'Brien, Fergus.
  • O'Brien, Willie.
  • O'Donnell, Tom.
  • O'Leary, Michael.
  • O'Sullivan, Toddy.
  • O'Toole, Paddy.
  • Owen, Nora.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Prendergast, Frank.
  • Quinn, Ruairí.
  • Ryan, John.
  • Shatter, Alan.
  • Sheehan, Patrick Joseph.
  • Skelly, Liam.
  • Spring, Dick.
  • Taylor, Mervyn.
  • Taylor-Quinn, Madeline.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Treacy, Seán.
  • Yates, Ivan.

Níl

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Andrews, Niall.
  • Brennan, Mattie.
  • Brennan, Paudge.
  • Brennan, Séamus.
  • Briscoe, Ben.
  • Browne, John.
  • Burke, Raphael P.
  • Byrne, Hugh.
  • Byrne, Seán.
  • Calleary, Seán.
  • Colley, George.
  • Conaghan, Hugh.
  • Connolly, Ger.
  • Cowen, Bernard.
  • Daly, Brendan.
  • Doherty, Seán.
  • Fahey, Francis.
  • Fahey, Jackie.
  • Faulkner, Pádraig.
  • Fitzgerald, Gene.
  • Fitzgerald, Liam Joseph.
  • Fitzsimons, Jim.
  • Flynn, Pádraig.
  • Foley, Denis.
  • Gallagher, Denis.
  • Gallagher, Pat Cope.
  • Harney, Mary.
  • Haughey, Charles J.
  • Hilliard, Colm.
  • Hyland, Liam.
  • Kirk, Séamus.
  • Kitt, Michael P.
  • Lemass, Eileen.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Aylward, Liam.
  • Barrett, Michael.
  • Brady, Gerard.
  • Brady Vincent.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Leyden, Terry.
  • Lyons, Denis.
  • McCarthy, Seán.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McEllistrím, Tom.
  • MacSharry, Ray.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Morley, P.J.
  • Moynihan, Donal.
  • Nolan, M.J.
  • Noonan, Michael J.
  • (Limerick West)
  • O'Dea, William.
  • O'Hanlon, Rory.
  • O'Keeffe, Edmond.
  • O'Kennedy, Michael.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond J.
  • Ormonde, Donal.
  • O'Rourke, Mary.
  • Power, Paddy.
  • Reynolds, Albert.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Tunney, Jim.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Walsh, Seán.
  • Wilson, John P.
  • Woods, Michael.
  • Wyse, Pearse.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Barrett (Dún Laoghaire) and Taylor; Níl, Deputies B. Ahern and Briscoe.
Question declared carried.
Motion, as amended, agreed to.
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